Open Game Thread OVERFLOW #21: Bulls vs. New York Knicks
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that was a 2
by harrington.
i swear his foot was on the line
"Gooden for three..." *spit-take* WAIT...Did tha- did he really...
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 9, 2008 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BG bricks 2 open threes
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 9:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Only one was a brick, the other one went in and out
just made one for ya too
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Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
by Goostafer on Dec 9, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at least his shot wasnt off the side of the backboard
"Gooden for three..." *spit-take* WAIT...Did tha- did he really...
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 9, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man Funk takes a chance to shit on BG whenever it presents itself
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deserving it this game
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no he doesn't, he's a shooter. this is what shooters do, sometimes they are off
you live and die with it.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So I take it you have no problems with Hughes's shot selection?
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hughes isn't good at shooting though
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me try a different tack
You prefer BG taking the last shot of each quarter when Rose is on the court?
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice one
switch up the argument when it isn’t in your favor
by NormVanBeer on Dec 9, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do I switch up the argument?
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the argument was about shot selection
between BG and Hughes…now all of a sudden you change it to BG’s end of quarter shots…huh?
by NormVanBeer on Dec 9, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I wasn't being clear
I don’t care if BG takes a 3 pointer. That’s his game. I do care when BG jacks up bad shots when D-Rose has the hot hand or when when he dominates end-of-quarters when we have a bona fide closer in Rose.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So yeah
I am talking about the shot selection of both players.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like that, but that's not what I was referring to in the original comment, so your point
is moot.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You commented as BG just took a bad three when Rose had the hot hand
That’s what I was referring to, and I thought you were referring to the same sequence.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to Funk's comments about the Knicks sagging off Gordon
because he was 6 for 17. He was acting as though it was reasonable to leave a deadly shooter like Gordon open for three based on the small sample of the game. He just always shits on Gordon at every turn which is a damn shame because Gordon is one of the two best players on this team.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Simple misunderstanding
I agree that Funk has it in for Gordon.
But Gordon being the second best player on the team doesn’t mean anything to me when he’s preventing Rose from getting his crunch time experience. Even worse, he botches those opportunities with laughable regularity.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he sure does
in the previous thread I wondered to myself (and everyone else) what percentage of Gordon’s turnovers (which are relatively low) come with under two minutes to go in a quarter (which I’d bet is astronomically high).
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, I do, because Hughe's isn't a lifetime 40% three point shooter
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we DO
because Hughes is not a good shooter
by NormVanBeer on Dec 9, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whenever ben shoots
3/4 times.
“Ben JACKS one up”
then it will bite him in the ass “…and he makes it….”
"Gooden for three..." *spit-take* WAIT...Did tha- did he really...
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 9, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is ugly ugly basketball, all one on one isos and terrible shots jacked up
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well, both teams do suck
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GIVE IT TO ROSE!!!!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
was that a stuff by rose?
couldnt quite see
"Gooden for three..." *spit-take* WAIT...Did tha- did he really...
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 9, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
thanks guys
couldnt tell.
Usually King addresses a block with an “OHHHHH” and i didnt hear one.
"Gooden for three..." *spit-take* WAIT...Did tha- did he really...
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 9, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
espn boxscore says...
yes
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Dec 9, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya it was
now we dont have to hear the bs duhon love anymore
by AFireInside661 on Dec 9, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HUGHES FTW?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 9:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
goodnight overated-D Duhon
by AFireInside661 on Dec 9, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Co Signed
Derrick should have the ball in his hands for all the possessions. I really am starting to hate this team and I’ve been a Bulls fan for over 21 years now but I can’t stand this crap. They’re still my squad and I’m gonna ride out with them but damn this is pissing me off.
We can’t live or die with jumpshots anymore. I have always defended Ben but he is not a playoff caliber starting SG…way too hot or cold. I’d rather have a guy score 14/16 every game instead of 30 one day and 10 the next.
This is the real Larry Hughes…dude had a couple of good games and people started gassing him up and what is he doing today….jacking up shots and playing gambling D.
Gooden is good for a game like this every 6th game. When his fadeway 20footers are falling.
Nocioni doesn’t even try to play D, he just fouls…he has no value at all besides an occasional 3 and all those awesome fist pumps. Fuck passion, I like skill and real effort.
Rose i
by C Smoove on Dec 9, 2008 9:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone notice that we cameback when Noc went to the bench?
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by bull83 on Dec 9, 2008 9:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TT too...
I’m just saying ;)
Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 9, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TT was never off the bench tonight
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
I was just saying.
Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 9, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is exactly the type of game TT excels in and Duhon and others wouldn't have gotten nearly
as many uncontested layups with TT patrolling the weakside. We barely won this game, with TT taking Noc’s minutes, this is an easy win.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did hit the three before he left though.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And we were down by 5 at that time.
He cut it to two. I’m just saying.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we wouldn't have been losing by 5 if he had been on the bench sooner, hitting one shot
doesn’t change that
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Im sure the other 4 players had nothing to do with the 5 point deficit.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noc had more to do with it, he was terrible all game (save for that one three)
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So had Noce not played...
We would have blown out the Knicks?
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it wouldn't have been this close. He missed a ton of open threes and
he played shitty shitty D and committed a lot of stupid fouls.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He missed 4 3's...
which is 1 less than Gordon missed, had 4 fouls (not exactly a ton), had 1 TO (3 less than Gooden), had 2 assists and 3 rebounds.
Im not saying he didn’t suck (he did) Im just agreeing that Noce was the sole reason for the debated 5point deficit.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he had 4 fouls in 22 minutes, which IS a lot. He missed a bunch of rotations
(as usual) and he shot 33% from the field. He was total crap this game. 2 assists and 3 rebounds in 22 minutes at SF and PF slots that he was playing is not exactly lighting the world on fire, especially in a fast pace game with a lot of possessions. Noc stinks. End of story.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Noce stinks. End of story
But again, he’s the sole reason for the 5 point deficit? Still no.
And the only reason we came back was because Noce left? Also, no.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if...
Noce’s 10pts, 3 rebs, 2 assists in 22 minutes is the definition of “suck”…
…would 16pts, 5 rebs, 5 assists (which isn’t double those stats) in 43 mins (almost twice the amount of PT) be suckage too?
Those are Deng’s stats, by the way.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deng had no fouls and brought his usual very good D to the table
he had an off shooting night and I’ve been bitching about him no hitting the boards for a while now, but he’s still miles better than Noc.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Changing the argument again.
We’re talking about stats.
You said his stas proved Noce suck. I said if we double the PT and got stats that didn’t double, would he still suck?
I guess if we change the name to Deng, it makes a difference.
How about I change Noce’s name to DRose with the same stat. Would he still suck? Something tells me you’re gonna say no.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, I'm talking about Noc sucking, I brought up stats as one
part of my argument and also cited Noc’s terrible defensive rotations and basic out of control behavior on the court. You’re the one changing the argument, stats was just part of my point.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I agree that Noce sucks.
And I tried to delve deeper into your argument. You used stats, I used stats. You used defense, I mentioned the all defensive team votes.
I’m just following where you go, man.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, when assessing D, I recommend watching the
game rather than relying on the opinion of talking heads and gasbags with All-Defensive team votes.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do watch the games.
I bet the coaches and talking heads who get paid to watch the games actually watch the games too.
Probably even more than we do.
Can’t see why your opinion should carry more weight than a basketball analyst’s opinion or an NBA coach’s vote.
Truth be told, since they are NBA coaches, I value their opinions a bit more than I do yours. But by just a smidgen only so I do think yours has a great amount of value too.
by PatBull on Dec 10, 2008 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am happy that we both agree Noc sucks.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We do agree.
And the Bulls should trade him.
But I don’t think we came back solely because Noce left or that he was solely responsible for the aforementioned 5 point deficit. That’s all Im arguing for.
by PatBull on Dec 10, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And you are one of like 2-3 people who consider Deng's defense good.
At least wait until he gets at least 1 vote for the defensive team.
Last I checked, Hinrich and Nocioni were the only Bulls to get votes lastyear.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so now
you’re telling us that it’s rigged??
by NormVanBeer on Dec 9, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was it?
I don’t know. I didn’t vote so it wasn’t my vote.
Don’t coaches vote on stuff like that?
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was joking (kinda)
saying that the voting must’ve been rigged if Kirk and Noc received ANY kind of legitimate votes
by NormVanBeer on Dec 9, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look at Deng's adjusted plus minus historically
it’s always positive and that’s not solely a product of his offense. Also, I don’t trust writers to tell me who is good at D. They often mistake Noc’s flailing for defense, when I know better.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shucks, we're getting to the +/- already?
Okay, I’m out.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not the shitty +/-, the good kind with all the fancy
maths behind it. Anyway, I guess I should clarify, Noc wasn’t the only reason the game was closer than it should have been. Gray played too many minutes again and the other guys had off nights (Rose, BG, etc.), but Noc sucked most of all, as he does every night.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Im hoping Noce gets traded already (despite my being a Noce fan). We really don’t need him.
It’s gonna suck if he gets traded to Cleveland, Boston, NO or LA though.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
none of those teams are dumb enough
to take Noc on for 5 years or have the kind of contracts to send back we’d want or need in a Noc deal (with the exception of maybe NOH who might be desperate following their relatively slow start).
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa there;
you didn’t notice Nocioni’s terrible rotations on D? Or shooting 3/9? Or 4 fouls in 22 minutes?
Deng shot a good percentage, added five assists, two blocks and a steal. That’s not suckage.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Dec 9, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in the interest of honesty, he didn't shoot a good percentage
he was 7 for 16, which is pretty average. But I agree with all the other stuff.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
7 for 16 is fine.
I can live with it. I can’t live with 3/9, because Noc is a liablity in so many other areas. If Noc’s shot isn’t falling, he doesn’t help us.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Dec 9, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, i totally agree with this.
7-16 (42) is way better than 3-9 (33)
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i did
Noc deserves no minutes at all
by NormVanBeer on Dec 9, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree but I'm not getting into it with you again.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't really care
if you can’t see that Noc stinks, then you really need help
by NormVanBeer on Dec 9, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do see that noce isn't 6th, 7 or 8th man, even on this crappy team.
But no minutes? You need help.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.All VDN needed to do is take NOCH out!
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Dec 9, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. Gordon making a 3 point shot, Hughes making another 3 point shot...
and the Knicks missing theirs had nothing to do with it.
Just take Noce out.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got the feeling that if Noc was there he would screw it somehow
He was bad.And I like him,bu he’s been awful last 5-7 games.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Dec 9, 2008 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gooden has 22 and 16
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how does Deng
play the entire 4th qtr with one shot attempt and that shot was in the last minute
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by tyrus4prez on Dec 9, 2008 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ghost
"Gooden for three..." *spit-take* WAIT...Did tha- did he really...
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 9, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
70+ mil
for 3 qtrs of play
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
by tyrus4prez on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose had 2 stellar blocks on Duhon that saved the game. His defense was better.
by Playboy_Bull on Dec 9, 2008 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
16/8/3/4 for Larry
on 6-14 shooting. Too many shots but that’s some nice contributions
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 9:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's a good trading chip that Paxson needs to cash
by Playboy_Bull on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no way we need his contract off the books in 2010
by AFireInside661 on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not if we trade him for Lebron!
"Gooden for three..." *spit-take* WAIT...Did tha- did he really...
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE VINNY ANYWAY!!!!
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wilson Chandler
Shot 2/13. Thank you come again!
"Derrick Rose is like a $500,000 Maybach parked in the driveway of a $200,000 house in the middle of nowhere" - Bill Simmons
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
any1 notice vinny yelling at Q
right when he was about to take the shot.. kind low class.
I’ve never seen a head coach yell at another player when taking a shot
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
by tyrus4prez on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
VDN doesn't exactly have a deep coaching arsenal
That’s probably one of the best coaching moves he made this game
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Soo... remind me how we won?
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rose
I wanna see Rose play some bulldog D….real D not highlight reel blocks.
Just man to man, don’t give an inch D. Duhon should not have been close to getting a triple double.
Derrick is the man but his D needs a lot of work.
Glad we won, but if we have to beat teams like the Knicks at the last second then we are in trouble.
by C Smoove on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he plays D when he feels like it. Can't say I blame him, no one on the team is putting much effort on D
and he’s carrying the offensive load most nights, it’s gotta be exhausting.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn't.
His defensive game is bad, even when he is trying. He gets saved because he is a better athlete than his competition. He does not take plays off, or coast, play when he feels like it…he is just not very good on that side of the ball.
Its okay to say that, because of his size and athleticism, with effort, he will get much better…as long as he buys into it.
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He decided to defend Duhon the last couple of possessions and stayed in front of him (sorta)
and then swatted his shot (the athleticism to which you referred). His D needs a lot of improvement, and I agree even when he’s trying its less than ideal, but he’s clearly coasting when he does stuff like the Duhon block, the Miller block, when he decides to really get into a defensive mentality.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a 20 year old rookie
His defense was always going to suck. Even a physical specimen like LeBron was coasting on D before he decided to take the game seriously. You’re right, he does rely on his size at the PG spot to get him out of some jams, but overall he’s pretty bad with his feet, doesn’t close out on shooters, stuff that a coaching staff, you know, might want to correct, or teach…..or something. Oh wait, learning is optional in the Bulls organization, you just need passion!
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Duhon was 1 board away from a triple double...
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He ran the pick and roll
exactly how I wish the Bulls would do with Rose. Could be a product of the system, Rose’ inability to successfully fight through the screener, late rotation, or he could be that good. After watching Duhon chuck those bad late threes and get stuffed late, i say it’s the system.
"Derrick Rose is like a $500,000 Maybach parked in the driveway of a $200,000 house in the middle of nowhere" - Bill Simmons
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 9, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's more that Mike D teaches that pick and roll better than anyone except for maybe Sloan
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most professional basketball players
Could have a Triple Double with Mike D as their coach
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Dec 9, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two differences
1) The Knicks screeners roll almost all the time.
2) Everybody not with the ball and not setting a screen on the floor are all three point threats.
Actually, it’s three differences because D’Antoni also knows how to put his players in positions to deliver in the areas he knows they can perform.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 10, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Essentially
He knows how to coach.
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BULLIES WIN
despite the crappy play and rotations!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This game Hughes'd.
Everybody Larried it up.
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 9, 2008 9:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
King and Funk
have to be the worst announcers. King is juvenile and annoying and Funk doesn’t know anything about basketball. He’d rather just have asinine conversations.
I don’t see how anyone can defend Noc. His D is totally non-existent. His offense isn’t far behind. Man at least someone like Ty or Thabo would at least try on defense
by C Smoove on Dec 9, 2008 9:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they're both horrendous.
I have to turn the sound off from time to time.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From time to time?
I just mute the entire game.
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 9, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one more note
Vinny was crap. There has to/needs to/should be something written about his horrible coaching after this game. But there won’t…
by NormVanBeer on Dec 9, 2008 9:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What an awful game;
I don’t care that they won. I’m just pissed with both who and how they played.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Dec 9, 2008 9:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many Game Recaps are gonna have something along the lines of:
“Rose leaves Knicks in Stitches”
"Gooden for three..." *spit-take* WAIT...Did tha- did he really...
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 9, 2008 9:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also, either Derrick is way too passive or he's being horribly misused. Either way. not good.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2008 9:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i wonder
if Derrick is tiring, after so many minutes so early in the season
by CJOliveira on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll never speak of this game again and just take the win.
Agreed?
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 9, 2008 9:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what game?
"Gooden for three..." *spit-take* WAIT...Did tha- did he really...
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My username may be 'stupidgenius'
but compared to VDN, I’m ‘Einsteinlike Genius’
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 9, 2008 10:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, who just asked that question
“Safe to say that after this game, the Bulls hired the right coach?”
WTF
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by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm wondering.
Terrible
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We won despite VDN tonight
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling that might become the trend in Bulls wins this year... (gulp).
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be so bad if he showed some growth
If anything, he’s getting worse.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was Shankovski or whatever his name is.That was stupid.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Dec 9, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that this game was close given the rosters on both sides
shows this statement is completely false.
by potato0328 on Dec 9, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In yfBB told you so news:
Noah got just 19 minutes (still not enough, but meh some is better than none) and had 5 rebs, a steal, and 4 (!) blocked shots to go along with 3 points on 100% shooting (the dunk). The kid can play, just let him already.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome game
Couple things i saw..and feel like venting about..
- Gordon and Hughes are both chukers, but BG’s selection might be the worst
- Didn’t Noc cut his hair? WTF? Speaking bout hair, the hair is gonna be an awesome coach IMO..still got a lil ways to go, but I’m gonna start growing my hair out, Vinny style
- Rose wasn’t the best, but he kept the tempo right
- Noah looked good (off and on)
- Did TT play tonight?
- Gooden Rocks. Sorry, but he atleast gives me effort and i’m sold on that.
- I love the announcers..never had the pleasure of listening to comcast till this season, but giving Larry Hughes a nickname like “Big shot” is uncalled for an detrimental to my health.
- Larry Hughes: Six man of the year? (granted he keeps this up)
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
by Belize on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I gotta get out of here.
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 9, 2008 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Matrix Style?
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
by Belize on Dec 9, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Shot Larry
What a beast, wat a game.
by Nextgen on Dec 9, 2008 10:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not a big Hughes fan
But he’s had a pretty good run over the last few games.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 9, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick will be in the Hall of Fame someday, but Duhon ate his lunch for most of the game.
16 points, 14 assists and 9 boards. Give him the credit he earned. That was an impressive performance. Vinnie should be embarrased that the Knicks almost pulled this game out due to his asinine matchups. There is no way Tyrus could not have kept them more at bay with his rebounding and shot blocking ability. So if VDN takes a bow for this win, somebody should kick him right in the ass.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Dec 9, 2008 10:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yep
regardless of “system” or not, Duhon played pretty well (until the very end) and gave Rose all he could handle
by NormVanBeer on Dec 9, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well this isn't entirely fair...
Rose was much more concerned with organizing the team and letting the other players get involved. Duhon doesnt have a Deng or Gordon or Hughes or Gooden even who would dominate the ball once given. Aside from Harrington, it was Duhon’s will.
by Playboy_Bull on Dec 9, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody see the intro?
Did the crowd “booo” duhon or show him love?
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
by Belize on Dec 9, 2008 10:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and rose was waaaay too passive today...
…maybe the hype is weighing on him. i hope not. still gotta love him though.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Dec 9, 2008 10:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It might be the 10 stitches on his freaking arm.
by PatBull on Dec 9, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha yeah, I was wondering if that was affecting him. He didn't drive as much as I'm used
to seeing. I wonder if he was worried about his stitches opening up on him.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feel like a real recap
just a couple of bad teams trading baskets. Glad it was a win. This upcoming schedule is arse.
Gordon had his worst game of the year, yuck. Rose didn’t do much, and was really bad defensively. Noah played decent, Gooden had a good game, Deng went missing for a while, Tyrus DNP, Gray had a great first few possessions then the pace made him a non-factor, Hughes may get a trade suitor at this rate, switching on screens was a bad idea but nothing else worked much either on defense…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2008 10:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do you think maybe
Derrick was a little passive last night because of his arm? I’m not trying to make excuses for him but it could have been a factor in his play.
by sue369 on Dec 10, 2008 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a possiblity
But Duhon pretty much had his way on offense, running the pick and roll like Stockton. I know Derrick’s gotta be tired by now, but there has to be more effort on defense. Offensively he still alternates between amazing and passivity, allowing Hughes and Gordon to chuck us to victory. Is it coaching, or is he gassed and weary from the pressure of running the team? I know I’d feel a lot better if we had a real damn coach.
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon wasn't great, but this was not his worst game...
he had some that were much worse on the west coast swing.
I thought this would have been a fun game to see TT play in. I have no idea why he isn’t playing AT ALL.
Would have loved to see Thabo guard Duhon… REMEMBER THABO, VINNY? I don’t think you do…
by smash! on Dec 10, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to give Joe season tickets
He can be our new good luck charm
by 815Sox on Dec 9, 2008 10:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We will need it
if we keep playing this sloppy
by 815Sox on Dec 9, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another shallow victory. Another empty feeling. for those fans who still believe
that Tyrus and Thabo to a lesser extent can develop into sold NBA players if the Bulls coaches weren’t so terrified of the possibility of the Bulls losing a handful of extra games as they learn on the court.
What is the point of giving Hughes all those minutes if he is not going to be here when Rose hits his stride. The same is true of Gooden, whose offense and rebounding were as good tonight as his defense was bad.
Noce has been in a funk lately, which has hurt both his offense and defense, but apparently Vinnie suffers from Heightaphobia, which is a fear of seeing tall men in shorts during basketball games.
While I am disappointed as much as anyone with Noce’s regression lately, if we look at the Plus/Minus stats for the entire season, the numbers may surprise some fans.
Not including tonight’s game they look like this:
Nocioni +44
Hinrich +26
Hunter -2
Gray -6
Noah -13
Thabo -18
Gordon -22
Deng -28
Hughes -29
Tyrus -60 unfortunately
Rose -75
Gooden -88
I realize this is only one statistic, but I think it demonstrates that Rose and Gooden, despite their offensive skills, need to improve on the other end. I have no doubt that Derrick, with experience, will vastly improve while I have my doubts about Gooden.
Apparently, Noce must be doing something right since he is the only active Bulls player with a positve number.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
worst.stat.ever.
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
by Jbasic89 on Dec 9, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Over a full season it does measure a players on court performance to some degree.
Otherwise, it wouldn’t be tracked. I agree it is not the best stat ever, but why do you say it’s the worst one? What is your basis? It seems the superstars are almost always the leaders in this statistic. Is that just a coincidence? So far this season LeBron is +285, Garnett +241, Kobe +217, Paul +173. Kirelinko is +130 while Boozer, not noted for his defensive prowess is -3.
If you look at On court/Off court performances, than Noce has by far the biggest positive other than Kirk. This stat measures how a team performs when the player is on court vs. how the team does while he is on the bench. I realize the plus minus is only as good as the other players you are surrounded with which explains a lot of Rose’s negatives.
Noce is +13.5
Hinrich +13
Gordon +4
Hunt er +1.7
Noah +0.5
Deng +0.3
Thabo -2.5
Hughes -2.9
Tyrus -7.6
Rose -10.7
Gooden -12.1
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by Tyrusmancrush on Dec 9, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the knicks suck
i’ve always hated them. but seriously, my bf asked me who their best player was and i couldn’t even answer. we should have crushed them. glad to see duhon bricking 3’s at the end of the game for someone else…
glad to see noah out there, but tt should have been also. or can they not play in the same game? at least vdn realized lumbering gray was not the answer.
by Jaina on Dec 9, 2008 11:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Their best player is Stephon Marbury
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
by Jbasic89 on Dec 9, 2008 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol you know
i realized that a little while later. but i was trying to think of people who were actually playing…
by Jaina on Dec 10, 2008 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lolz
Their 3 best players to start the season don’t play for this team. I guess you could say either David Lee or Duhon is their best player…….which is pretty awful.
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And yet they're right with us in the standings
and would’ve won this game if they hit threes at their usual rate. All this while Duhon’s looking like a legit starting PG.
Imagine where we could be with a real coach.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 10, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
God I hate the Knicks
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but they've only beaten 2 good teams
utah and detroit, both at home. our schedule has been a lot more difficult. they’ve only won twice on the road, against memphis and washington (we’ve only won 3, but one was a notoriously tough at home utah team, albeit depleted). they haven’t had more than 2 road games in a row yet (i think they’re now starting a trip). they gotta do more than beat down on was and okc to impress me.
and i express the same thing as ozzie… i really loathe the knicks.
by Jaina on Dec 10, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to make a case for the Knicks
Just pointing out the disparity in coaching quality.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 10, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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