John Paxson.
by ImmanuelKant on Dec 6, 2008 12:24 AM CST
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I went Christmas Shopping and walked past a Bulls hat and there is no longer that feeling of pride when I see that logo. I started to think do I really want John Paxson to build a team around Rose? No not really.
I listened to him on ESPN 1000 and felt like this is a man who doesn't like his job. I mean I felt tired after I listened to him.
Had the Bulls not lucked out in the draft what would we be talking about today? Paxson getting fired? I mean I like John Paxson he seems like a really nice guy but I don't think he's a good GM and he even knows it.
Remember the white knight standing in the UC tunnel with his nice suit and his fresh take on the Bulls rebuilding plans. College kids from big programs. It was a great Idea and it worked for a few years but I wonder now if Paxson has just lost control. The luster has wore. Players take advantage of him because why else would Noah come back out of shape? Why else would Duhon constantly show up late last season? You can go on and on with Paxson's failures to Kobe Bryant to Paul Gasol the blame starts with him.
Other than Derrick Rose you have Paxson's steamy pile of crap players.
My point is do you trust Paxson to find the kinda of players to mold around Rose? Do you trust Paxson to unload bad contracts? His time seems to be running out. This is huge for Paxson now. Because now he has a star even though he won't say it.
What is Jerry West doing these days and how does he feel about Chicago winters? Paxson is lame duck. Do you guys have an names for GM after Paxson?
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Yes, it is Paxson's fault that he was not a teammate of McHale on the Celtics
and that Jerry West did not play for the Bulls. Paxson made better offers for Garnett and Gasol than Minnesota and Memphis ended up taking.
As for the draft, who would have been better?
2003: David West at #18 and Josh Howard at #28 over the Mopey Iowan at #7?
2004: Al Jefferson at #15 and Kevin Martin at #26 over Gordon at #3 and Deng at #7? Possibly Devin Harris at #5?
2007: Al Thornton at #14 over Noah at #9?
Note the trend here in a lot of other GM’s passing over these players.
2008: ROSE at #1 over everyone else – so far Rose appears to be the best player from the draft and the one with the highest potential.
The only really bad draft would be 2005, trading LMA for TT or not drafting Roy or Gay, IF TT does not develop.
Was that Pax,
or Reinsdorf falling in love with a “gritty white guy”?
by Granny Waiters on Dec 6, 2008 7:57 AM CST up reply actions
Yes... he pays Pax to choose the right players and coaches
So, err… why would he be paying Pax to do the job he’s doing himself?
But beyond that, it’s all fun to speculate, but if you’re going to semi-seriously cast aspersions of racism and whatnot, you’re going pretty far to me. To put it more simply, you’re completely making shit up just to satisfy your desire to defend “your guy”. Which makes it not a very credible argument in my book.
Especially when you consider a variety of facts. Have you ever heard Pax talk about Nocioni? The last time I heard him, I think he came in his pants. He freaking loves the man. And he loved him enough to sign him before Jerry Reinsdorf or you or me could pick him out of a lineup.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Noch
If he was making half as much we probably wouldn’t be complaining. We paid him a little more than market value (as other teams were bidding on him.) We had no other replacement at PF and there wasn’t anything good to be had in free agency.
Did we overpay? Absolutely! To long a contract? Hell yes. Is Paxon the devil for making the deal? No. When you look at the hand he was dealt that off season, there were not that many other good options. We needed someone and Noch filled the roll better than anyone else we could have had. If you guys haven’t noticed, there is a dearth of quality big men in the league who can shoot.
Noch has been bad this year, (especially on D) but sometimes he seems like the only guy on the floor who knows where to go to get an open look from Rose. Bottom line, he’s decent for a bench guy. His shooting percentage is increasing and he’s beginning to look better out there (despite the haircut) than he did in November.
He was an RFA, they didn't have to pay him any more than any other team wanted to
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I really take exception to the idea that
Paxson had a better offer for Kevin Garnett than Boston did. This is a misconception that has to go away. Sure, at the time Paxson’s offer was a good one and Mchale probably should have taken it, but in the long run he actually got the better package. This is the NBA, Quality reigns supreme and quantity is kicked to the curb. Although Deng, Chandler and a #2 pick is a great package, Al Jefferson is a superior talent. He is the type of player that you build a franchise around. In Paxson’s package there was not one player of that caliber. Sure Mchale could have tricked himself into thinking that Deng could be that guy, but he probably knew better unlike our guy Pax.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 6, 2008 5:08 AM CST up reply actions
As good as Jefferson is
that franchise would be in much better shape right now with Deng, Chandler, and whatever they got for that second pick being Roy, Aldridge, Gay, or Thomas
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
If Jefferson played defense,
would Boston have traded him?
by Granny Waiters on Dec 6, 2008 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
Dear God yes. Roy, Deng and Chandler right now?
Or Deng, Aldridge and Chandler. Combine that with a Corey brewer or OJ Mayo or whatever and… it’s a damn good team. Much further along than they are now.
of course, McHale still has to draft the “right” guys to get that done.
Deng, Thomas and Chandler would have been interesting.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Just cause McHale is an idiot doesn't make it a bad offer
"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 6, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I still think Paxson's offer is better
Jefferson is a great player, but he’s not anymore of a franchise cornerstone than Elton Brand is (though Minny didn’t overpay him cause they were smart and extended him right after the trade).
You trade Deng, Chandler, and the #2 pick in the draft, Minnesota’s roster is set for the next 5 years. They already had a lottery pick in the draft, a smart GM would take Aldridge (or Thomas) at #2, draft Brandon Roy with the other pick. You’re telling me Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, and Gerald Green is a better option than Deng, Tyson, Brandon Roy, and LaMarcus Aldridge? They still would have been a lottery team in the West for the next two years, they’re still picking in the 5-10 range and adding quality pieces. Any competent GM would be able to flip that young talent for a superstar.
"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 6, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, it's probably more like Deng, Chandler, Thomas and Foye.
Doesn’t look so hot. :)
Still arguably better than what they have now.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
The interesting question is how do the Bulls look?
Garnett is obviously a special player who we’d really give up anyone to get, but at the same time, what would the Bulls have to put around him?
If the trade were essentially Deng, Chandler and the #2 pick (that became Tyrus and Khryapa) then we were also going to have to give up some, but not all of the cap space we had that summer to acquire KG. So the Bulls roster would have been
1- Hinrich
2- Gordon
3- Thabo
4- KG, Mike Sweetney
5- Malik Allen
and then we would have had about $11M in cap room to flesh it out.
Those are some pretty hard facts if you really think about them. Aside from Wallace (who we probably couldn’t have gotten for $11M, the big FA targets were Drew Gooden, Al Harrington, Joel Przybilla and Chris Wilcox (am I leaving anyone else out?).
So we probably could have added one of those other guys but I hope you see where I’m going with thus. If the Bulls had gotten KG, they wouldn’t have anything like the success the Celtics had.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Wasn't the offer made after Wallace was signed?
That was when they got very serious about shedding Chandler. And, I don’t think it’s a reach to speculate that Reinsdorf would have been willing to go into Luxury Tax with KG and Wallace on board. After all, that team would have been legitimate title contenders. So, instead we’re looking at:
Hinrich
BG
Nocioni
KG
Wallace.
It likely would have been enough to get through the East in 07. The bigger question is would Paxson have been able to make any moves to further improve last year and this year? Would the Bulls have become a hot spot for midlevel role players the way Boston was last year? Would KG have prevented Wallace from blowing up the team from within? It would have been an interesting ride though I have a feeling KG would be on his way out of town by the trade deadline of this year.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I stand corrected... somewhat
KG made $21M, so the Bulls probably could have traded for him after signing Wallace (which happened in July) by including Sweetney or Duhon in addition to Deng, Chandler and Tyrus.
On the flip side, that trade would have had to have been for Tyrus (rather than whomever McHale wanted for the #2 pick), since he was already drafted by the time we signed Wallace.
So ok though, I can see that the Bulls could have signed Wallace, and at that point have offered Deng, Chandler and Thomas for KG, who might even have been tempted if Wallace were in the fold.
One thing to throw in is that unlike Boston, we actually wouldn’t have had the MLE to throw at a few more role players. If you get under the cap and sign players using cap space (the way we did with Wallace) you have to renounce your MLE. This closes a loophole- otherwise you’d be able to sign up guys using cap space and then add an MLE player on top when the whole purpose of an MLE is to be an “exception” to the cap). So anyway, the team we lay out there is pretty much what we get, though I suppose we could have brought in Sam Cassell and PJ Brown for the min the way the Celts did. I don’t think we could get James Posey to go for that, but maybe Thabo would have stepped up.
De gustibus non est disputandum
The funny thing is...
McHale did pick Roy, then traded him to Portland for Foye. Then this season picked Mayo and traded him for Love…I don’t know how this guy still has a job.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish :)" -your friendly bulls blogger
It's hilarious, i'm a Bulls fan and I am pissed off right now at how bad Mchale is.
Seriously, how does he still have a job? Are they really gonna fire Whitman and let him hire ANOTHER coach? What a disaster.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 6, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Even better yet, he'll make himself coach
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3753352
"Derrick Rose is like a $500,000 Maybach parked in the driveway of a $200,000 house in the middle of nowhere" - Bill Simmons
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 8, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Thornton isn't really good.
Hawes is better than noah so far, but that’s really been a surprise.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
not for the
draft hawes contingent of 18 months back.
dont forget....
your talking 4 yrs of bad drafting and one year of good drafting ( if u can call d rose a good pick or just a common sense pick) paxson has no balls and needs to be gone. the only move pax has made was the stupid tyson deal, and the decent wallace deal. id take larry over ben anyday. the larry hughes bashing is becoming ridiculous. IM sick of it. hughes is not great, but hes alright. id rather have his shit contract than the corpse (ben wallace) shit contract anyday. also you never know what larry is gonna bring. it could be the 5-20 fg day, or the 15-21 fg day that normal college studs experience. paxson needs out. LMA over TT, Hawes over Noah. Kevin Margin and Al jeff over gordon and deng. D. West, J.Howard over Kirk. cmon man pax needs help. those are 4 terribledrafts compared to the talen
Wow I don't know what to say to this
Hughes is worse then the Corpse IMO.
Wallace could have stayed if they were only gonna play him 20 mins a night. But Skilies was so insistent on playing him 40+. Look at him in Cleveland. Without even looking it up I bet he averages no more then 25 mins a game. And at least Wallace kinda filled a need in the sense that he’s a “big” man.
How can you say Hughes is better, and then point out he’s inconsistent?
And outside of drafting Thomas, who still isn’t a bust officially, Paxson has done a great job drafting.
You can’t just say Pax screwed up cuz he took Hinrich over West and Howard. Those guys were projected to go in mid-to-late 1st round. Not early first, like Hinirch was.
And as far as Noah over Hawes, I wasn’t on this blog on at the time. But I highly doubt that many here like me at the time, wanted to take a risk on a soft-big man who had already had 2 knee surgeries.
Pax has drafted well. Just cuz he happened to miss out on some “stars” doesn’t mean he drafted horribly.
That’s like saying all GMs suck cuz they let guys like Manu and Tony Parker slip to the 2nd round.
Outside of the Top 5 usually(some drafts are deeper, some are not), the draft is a crap shoot.
There is no telling who might turn out to be the next great player.
So you grab the best player at a position you need (See Hinrich after Jay Williams fucked up), guys who went to winning programs (See Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Noah), players who are freakishly athletic and have tons of potential (Tyrus), and then of course players who are just god-like (Rose).
looked it up
Wallace averages 23.5 mins a game
7 boards
2.8 points
1.89 blocks
and only 1.4 fouls a game
It would be nice to have a big who wouldn’t foul out in one quarter if allowed to.
I don't think there was a single comment
on here about anybody being upset when Wallace was traded away. He wasn’t even trying anymore for the Bulls. His game is all about hustle, when he didn’t care enough to hustle he was worthless on the court and a cancer in the locker room. The few Cleveland games I have watched he seems to be playing a bit harder than he was here. His attitude here could be blamed on Skiles…. However, Skiles was also the one giving him all those minutes at the expense of Noah and TT getting any development time (Not sure if that really cost anything, the more I watch them play). I don’t like Larry, but I am glad to have him for what we got rid of.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Dec 6, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I really hate the revisionist posts
Pax should have drafted Roy
Pax shouldn’t have traded Chandler
Pax shouldn’t have traded Wallace
etc.
When these moves were made, not many were up in arms. It’s so easy to pick apart moves after the fact. Rather that post how bad Pax is, someone please tell me who should be running this team? Presumably it’s someone with experience, and then we can pick apart their draft record for every one player taken later who was better than the guy said GM drafted. You could play that game all day.
I understand
Jerry Krause is available. ;)
by Granny Waiters on Dec 7, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
I hate the posts questioning revisionism
Paxson’s paid to be right.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2008 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
So he was "right"
On 4 of his last 7 picks. And the 3 wrongs are still undecided.
Find me a GM who is right all the time. It’s easy to point out mistakes and say that’s bad. But is it really? Derrick Rose is shooting 49. Should we get mad at him for missing 51 of his shots?
you, nor anyone else will be able to stop the very near future
regardless of your high opinion, Paxson and Mchale will be canned, soon!
man up!
Besides LMA and Roy,
who did Paxson pass over that a bunch of other GM’s did not also miss?
by Granny Waiters on Dec 8, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't Roy go 7?
I really really wanted the Bulls to draft Roy, but he had some injury issues and wasn’t an “upside” player ( so everyone said) so a handful of GM’s who get paid to be right missed him…
I remember everytime they announced a trade, (there was a bunch that day) I was hoping it was the Bulls trading for Roy…
Thank you re: Pax's draft record
It is such a lazy argument to claim Pax has done a poor job at drafting. The only legitimate one to complain about is TT, and I still don’t think that is finished.
Exactly, Pax draft picks
Hinrich
Gordon
Deng
Tyrus
Thabo
Noah
Rose
As far as picks go, that is a pretty solid group. Sure there are some (potential) busts, but what is to be expected out of drafting. Is he supposed to hit on every player every times?
Plus Thabo should have been Ronnie Brewer.
Both Thomas and Aldridge and Brewer and Thabo were essentially toss-ups. Thabo was definitely the wrong pick in hindsight and Thomas is looking like it.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I'll just quote KC Johnson on this one
Oh and it’s Pau Gasol, not Paul.
Look, I’m no John Paxson apologist, but let’s analyze the two “misses” everybody hangs on him. He arguably made a better offer for Kevin Garnett — Tyrus Thomas, Deng, a No. 1 pick — the summer before Minnesota finally decided to trade him. At that time, Kevin McHale said Garnett wouldn’t be traded. He refused to include Deng for Pau Gasol, a move that, at the time, most Bulls fans supported. When he then offered actual players for Gasol the following season, Memphis made it clear it strictly wanted expiring contracts.
You can fault Paxson for stuff — Thomas over LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy, signing Ben Wallace, etc. — but I’ve never understood the heat he gets for “missing” on Garnett and Gasol.
And don’t get me started on the Kobe Bryant rumors because those were never even close.
My bad on Pau.
But this team is his and it’s bad. I’m sure there are a lot of reason why he could get deals done. I personally have given up on Paxson as GM. I don’t think he can do the job or really wants to anymore.
Ok maybe it’s not all his fault I understand that I don’t like Reinsdorf that much either I think he missed on Ben Wallace and botched the D’Antoni signing but I really worry about Paxson building a team around Rose. I also wanna GM who can find talent when you don’t have the number one pick maybe his scouts are not getting it done but it all falls back to him.
"We have to play together and try to find the open shots. We used to play like this. We used to pass the ball three or four times before taking shots. Or we'd penetrate after two or three passes. Right now we shoot or try to go to the basket after the first pass. That's really tough."-Nocioni
by ImmanuelKant on Dec 6, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I won't even read KC.
He means nothing to me. Ha.
"We have to play together and try to find the open shots. We used to play like this. We used to pass the ball three or four times before taking shots. Or we'd penetrate after two or three passes. Right now we shoot or try to go to the basket after the first pass. That's really tough."-Nocioni
by ImmanuelKant on Dec 6, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
The defense on Gasol is a load of crap.
1. The Bulls were simply wrong not to include Deng. There are plenty of folks were willing to trade him, and plenty more would have gone along simply because the Bulls did it.
2. The Bulls could have sent Tyrus + expiring contracts to Memphis for Gasol last year too.
De gustibus non est disputandum
I never understood the Deng love.
Why Paxson didn’t trade him pisses me off. Most of Paxson’s problems as GM are that his players are soft. Deng is soft. The fact that Paxson signed him for as much as he did is the icing on the cake. I want mentally tough scrappy team first players. I want players around Rose that will do anything to win.
Deng was a huge reason why we have Derrick Rose. Thats the only thing I like about Deng is that he helped us get Rose by being a selfish jerk who hasn’t done a damn thing to deserve that much money. He was soft in the Pistons playoff series and he can’t play a lick of D. Not to mention he never shows up in crunch time.
Paxson is to blame. He would be fired now if the NBA didn’t bless the Bulls with the number one pick. I mean in his time here as GM name one great deal? Don’t even mention the deals he made with Thomas. They don’t count.
His best move was Jalen Rose to Toronto for Antonio Davis and Junkyard Dog. That was almost five years ago. He really hasn’t dealed since.
"We have to play together and try to find the open shots. We used to play like this. We used to pass the ball three or four times before taking shots. Or we'd penetrate after two or three passes. Right now we shoot or try to go to the basket after the first pass. That's really tough."-Nocioni
by ImmanuelKant on Dec 6, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
What about raping Isaiah Thomas in the Curry and Crawford trades?
The problem isn’t that Deng is soft, I’m not sure where you get that. The biggest problems with Deng are that he lacks the lateral quickness to effectively guard all the talented 3’s in the league, which is a huge problem defensively, especially when his backup, Nocioni, is even more limited in that regard. Deng also doesn’t have range out to the three point line, mainly because of the mechanics of his shot (he shoots too much of a line drive), which leaves points on the board every time he makes jump shots from just inside the line. The other problem is that he doesn’t create well off the dribble, meaning that he is reliant on cutting and hitting open jump shots. I’m starting to worry about the Deng deal more and more every time I see him play.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 6, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Does anyone deserve special praise for taking advantage of the village idiot?
De gustibus non est disputandum
Well, I do think he did it better than anyone else.
After slashing the initial roster he got, it was clearly his best move as GM. He just screwed up w/ the picks.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
"He took advantage of the village idiot better than anyone else!"
I think Pax has actually added that phrase to his business cards.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Noah. Larry Hughes. Drew Gooden.
but that’s the point, guy. Paxson did an amazing job stealing those picks for Eddy Curry, and then made the wrong decisions (it’s appearing) w/ the picks.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Still ain't buying it.
He didn’t do an amazing job… he saw a proverbial bag of cash laying there and took it.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Whats worse about the Deng deal
is that all of those problems you listed were in existence before the deal was made. I couldn’t understand why Pax threw all that money at Deng when it was so obvious that Deng doesn’t have the physical abilities that are necessary to become a star. He has no handle, no viable post moves and can’t create a shot, all things that a legitimate 3 guard in this league needs to be able to do. Deng is a system player, meaning he needs to get the ball in the right spots. He’s no star on a good team, maybe a fourth option.
Yeah
that seems to be Larry Hughes new position. He isn’t a small forward but he is playing the 3…. Therefore he must be a 3 guard…. I don’t know about Deng being a 3 guard I thought he was more of a 2 forward.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
On the other hand, he can shut down all but the best SF's in the league.
Is really smart. Rebounds excellently for his position.
he’s a third option, and being paid like it. Name a few “third options” on average to good teams that are off of their rookie contract that make less than Deng.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
The only ones I can think of are on a horrible team
Andris Biedrins (45 over 5) and Monta Ellis (55 over 5). David West signed a very reasonable contract as well, but he was a 2003 draftee and was extended a year before his breakout season.
The best comparisons for Deng position wise (Josh Smith, Iguodola, Danny Granger) all make around the same annual salary as Lu.
"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 6, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
Smith, Iguodala and Granger
are all far better players than Deng IMO. Smith is a better defender, rebounder and shot blocker, Iguodala has far more potential and Granger can get his own shot far more often than Deng.
Yeah, it sucks to have a player like Deng
who was 26-4-4 tonight on 11-19 shooting with 2 steals and only 1 turnover.
by Granny Waiters on Dec 6, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Wow do it every night.
"We have to play together and try to find the open shots. We used to play like this. We used to pass the ball three or four times before taking shots. Or we'd penetrate after two or three passes. Right now we shoot or try to go to the basket after the first pass. That's really tough."-Nocioni
by ImmanuelKant on Dec 6, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
If he did it every night, he'd be a max player in two years.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
And that would make the remaining years on Deng's
contract a bargain.
by Granny Waiters on Dec 7, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
And no one would be whining that deng is getting robbed.
I don’t get why people hate players stealing from a team (Hughes) but they don’t care if the team steals from the player (David West).
Okay, I do get it, but I think it’s self and weird.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Because...
we have been engendered by advanced capitalism.
LOL
He is starting to come around.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
One turnover?
Why didn’t VDN bench him?
What is our rotation coming to …
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Rose and the 4 Nocionis....
sounds like some acapella group from the 60’s.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Dec 6, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I was for trading deng/Thomas for Gasol
And using the Noah spot for Al Thornton.
Hinrich, Gordon, Nocioni/Thornton, Wallace, Gasol was my intended lineup for last year, and, in my opinion, better than the pre-season 2007-2008 Bulls.
of course, after the Wallace crap, they would ahve had to draft or trade for a suitable replacement at PF this past year.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
This summer I wonder if he could have offer
Josh Smith a contract to force a sign and trade of Deng with ATL?
man up!
too hard - both were base-year compensation
and ATL obviously wanted Smith, just wanted someone else to negotiate the price
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
well could the bulls have offered
Smith 72 million and ATL decided that’s too costly and then the Bulls not offer Deng anything but put him on waviers? This is just a question, I know it’s not likely and very unprecedent. Yet aggresive if something similiar ever presents itself.
man up!
Atlanta would have matched
Like tyger said, they wanted some other team to go and make and offer. Memphis made an offer of 57 over 5, and Atlanta eagerly matched it.
"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 6, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Far from crap, more like understandable
1)West reportedly wanted Deng and Gordon. That was the only report I heard about what the Grizzlies were looking for. Even if he just wanted Deng and PJ Brown, which is a stretch because it was never reported that way, at the time the Bulls were maxed out. They had just acquired Wallace and were capped out with extensions due for Deng/Gordon. This was their last major move before the team was complete. So the question became are they winning a title in the next 2 years with Hinrich, BG, Noc, Gasol, Wallace? I think we can at least see now the team would be no better off with that team right now.
2)He could have traded TT and expirings for Gasol. Where did you read that. That was never listed as being on the table. Memphis got 2 prospects, Crittenton and Gasol, plus if I remember correctly another 2 first round picks in the deal. I think it’s a stretch to assume they would have preferred Tyrus and expirings for Gasol. And I find it hard to believe Pax wouldn’t make that move, especially as the team was collapsing and needed a big move.
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1) I can’t control how limited your reading is.
2) KC’s argument there was that the Bulls did not have the expiring contracts to trade. However, it’s a matter of adding up what they had at the time to see that they did have a trade to make.
De gustibus non est disputandum
the quote says to include deng
which implies other players were involved too. it doesn’t change the rest of my statements.
so your contention is the Grizz would have done Tyrus/expirings for Gasol
and Pax either didn’t realize + the Grizz never asked in their negotiations
or
is it that Pax turned down that idea?
the whole thing was the lakers
willingness to sign mckie to make the trade… and we wouldnt sign brown whose rights we still had, since that would put us over the tax.
as great as getting gasol would have been, i’m not sure he’s worth going into the tax for… i kinda agree with JR here… going into the tax is worth it if you have a really good team… and i’m not sure that gasol could have pushed us over the hump.
How can you give up on the Bulls now?
Rose rocks and Pax is not really that bad…he sucks (yes), but he seems to be figuring out his job year by year (took a while tho…)
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
KC Johnson has a nice short summary of the Paxson era in today's Trib
Paxson has made mistakes. All general managers do. Even Joe Dumars drafted Darko Milicic over Carmelo Anthony. The skill is not compounding and/or recovering from mistakes. The Bulls made the playoffs for the first time since the dynasty ended for three straight seasons. Then they had a disastrous season. Then they lucked into Derrick Rose. I say we see how this rebuilding effort goes until we call Paxson a failure. Rose is special enough that he can’t be wasted.
Except Dumars still built a championship team
And set a roster that has made the ECF 5 years in a row. If I was a Pistons fan I’d totally be fine with the Darko mess-up.
GM’s take a ton of heat, yet they know more than most of us. Remember how everyone said Kupchack was an idiot for picking Bynum? How stupid does Kobe look now after bitching about his teammates for years, now they’re being hailed as the greatest bench ever, and Bynum is being touted as the best big man EVAH.
I won’t fault Paxson for misfiring on draft picks, who the hell knows which player will suck and which will be a dominant force. You’re gambling on 20 year old kids. What we can be angry at Pax for is how he handled the negotiations of his young talent, the Noc contract, and the head coaching search. Talent evaluation is only one part of his job, and he’s done not that bad (he could have picked Beasley like the rest of the crazed post-scoring yahoos wanted). It’s the lack of coaching, or at least direction this team has that pisses me off.
"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 6, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Both Kupchump and Dumars
were given an allstar big man on a silver platter. On top of the fact that Kupchump inherited Kobe. Until the Gasol trade he was universally viewed as a pretty bad GM. Ditto for Ainge prior to McHale saving his job.
Paxson has made some bad moves. Wallace and TT have notoriously backfired on him. As chic as it is to bash Paxson most of you couldn’t get online fast enough to pat him on the back when he made those moves.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
Yeah I didn't say that at all, so whatever
What we can be angry at Pax for is how he handled the negotiations of his young talent, the Noc contract, and the head coaching search.
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 9, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
I've never really understood the argument that Pax deserves more praise (or less) because Krause sucked.
If anything, Krause’s disintegration of the Bulls set the bar pretty low for Pax. One good run and he was hailed as some kind of mastermind.
But really, all he did was plug what were some obvious, gaping holes. And truth be told, he only did that after being drastically wrong about what Krause left him (if you’ll recall, he promised playoffs before his first full season, and brought in Pip to be the missing link with Rose, Crawford, Marshall, Curry and Chandler). So, the truth is a bit more complicated.
In that case, Pax did look around and start making the right moves (trading Rose, hiring Skiles, picking up a couple of real NBA forwards). But I don’t think he did anything really great.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Krause was underrated
He stunk it up towards the end but a lot of that had to do with Jackson/Jordan burying him. Paxson’s early deals with the Knicks showed both creativity and the ability to pull this franchise out of the gutter. Had he hit on few more of this draft picks this might be a different conversation.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
Trading Olden Polynice
for Scottie Pippen earns Krause a lot of forgiveness.
by Granny Waiters on Dec 9, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
There were a lot of moves
Drafting Grant and making the deal for Pippin.
Getting Dennis Rodman for Perdue.
Getting Brian Williams/Bison Dele
Trading for Cartwright
Hiring Phil Jackson
Hiring Tex Winters and Johnny Bach
Drafting Elton Brand and Ron Artest
Getting Ron Harper
Drafting BJ Armstrong
Signing Brad Miller
He built two Championship teams around Pippin and Jordan. His biggest flaws after the Jordan era were coaching stability and inability to land a big star with the cap space. Jordan/Pippin/Jackson sunk him. His only real options were to overpay for second tier stars or roll the dice on high potential unknowns.
He had the team in great position to make a quick turn around. If he and Jackson could have mended fences and landed two of the top free agents to go with the Brand/Artest nucleus the Bulls could have been a power house.
Imagine Jackson coaching a Duncan, Brand, McGrady, Artest team?
It was never in the cards as his credibility was shot and the gambles he made blew up in his face.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
PIPPEN*
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Dec 10, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
He definitley lost his edge towards the end
Brad Miller/Artest/Ollie for Jalen Rose and Travis Best is rather shitty.
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
It has been so for 10 years now
the only move that worked out in our favor in that time frame was getting the pick to draft Deng.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Dec 10, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Rose shouldn't be a feather in Pax's cap.
Rose fell into Paxson’s lap and Pax owes him his job.
yeah but a lot of people wanted to pick Beasley
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Thats damning him with faint praise.
From day one all basketball insiders pretty much knew that Rose was staying in Chicago.
that's not true
Sam Smith was the only one I heard saying Rose was the pick from Day 1. ESPN, nbadraft.net, and draftexpress all listed Beasley as the pick for several weeks.
In any other industry
Pax would have been fired long ago. You can barely go two quarters without making your numbers (i.e. meeting expectations set by management) without being sent packing. In fact, if Pax were the Bulls Coach instead of the GM, he would have been gone after last season. Its hard to say if these are his blunders, or he’s just a sock monkey for the Chairman, but if he’s responsible, he should be long gone. I agree with the Jerry West suggestion, btw, maybe the shrewdest GM ever. Why he would want to come here is another story.
This comment is funny
given all the news lately.
Again
Reinsdorf is the main problem with this team. Reinsdorf is cheap as hell and will only shell out money to people represented by his friends(Deng, Wallace)…both had agents who are friends of Chairman Jerry.
Do you think Jerry is gonna come out of pocket to get a talented GM and if he did would he let the guy do his job without interfering.
Remember the coaching hire got screwed by Jerry getting involved and calling D’Antoni a liar and driving him away and then getting all emo about Doug Collins coming back.
Until Reinsdorf sells the team or has a stroke and goes to a nursing home, the Bulls are screwed.
This team needs to be honest and realize the earliest we will be able to field a championship caliber team will be 2012 after the vets on the Pistons/Celtics etc are old and about to retire and Rose has some experience and reliable teammates.
Pax needs to go but honestly he is just a scapegoat.
I imagine you need some luck working on your side to win NBA championship as a GM
Krause backed himself into 6 championships with Jordan & company.
Still Krause made mistakes, but he was a bit of a romantic dreamer, with a ego. He did draft Scottie, and continued and aggrssively worked to improve the team by acquiring Toni Kuko, obtaining Dennis Rodman, etc. He created some confusion and competition but that’s a good thing. Deng only now has some competition with Hughes for playing time, and Hughes is dead even, if not leading.
While we now sit passively signing Luol Deng to 72+ million, after signing bench players Noc and Hinrich to large starting caliber player contracts. Personally, these three players might not start of the top ten rated teams in the NBA. And the approximately 37 million annually in cap space owed to this bunch, (including busted draft pick Tyrus) is bad fiscal management. A new Good GM would unload some on theses heavy contracts for a box of Ritz crackers really please if even he got nothing in return. NY didn’t it and was commended.
It’s not just Paxson’s draft picks and missed trade opportunities, its also the signings while he is at the helm, and giving away players for basically nothing (JR Smith, PJ Brown, Tyson, etc,etc,etc).
Is Paxson the man, Reinsdorf will use to build a new team around Derrick Rose? I really hope not.
man up!
No, Krause drafted Horace Grant in 1987
and traded Olden Polynice to Seattle for Pippen prior to the season starting.
by Granny Waiters on Dec 6, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
Crumbs was a pretty good GM to me. Getting Horace and Pippen was pretty bold. Pippen was unheard of.
Yeah he was a turd of a personality but signing Harper and Kerr even trading for Rodman that was huge. His love for power forwards was a bit odd and his later years he may have lost it but I thought his idea was pretty good at the time to draft two big high school centers was creative. If you remember the great bigs were aging and Shaq moved to the West.
"We have to play together and try to find the open shots. We used to play like this. We used to pass the ball three or four times before taking shots. Or we'd penetrate after two or three passes. Right now we shoot or try to go to the basket after the first pass. That's really tough."-Nocioni
by ImmanuelKant on Dec 6, 2008 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Theres a whole bunch of monday morning quaterbacks here
how can you possibly know how good a draftee is going to be? t-time may find his way yet, deng is slowly fitting into the new line up. The whole team is slowly making progress, they even tried to share the ball tonight. I dont think paxson is a bad gm nor has he made bad moves. Obviously you can say he should have done this or should of done that after the event . The one thing that the bulls lack is how to develop young players. They have alot of them. They really need to improve in that department. For instance, why havent they worked on deng’s post game? is a drop step so hard to learn? Why cant they teach the entire team to get a hand in the shooters face to try and deter the shot? kirk does it but i dont see hardly anyone else do it. Why cant they teach 4 guys to box at all times? Is it VDN? is it the coaching staff? i dont know, but i do know they dont do a good job of developing there young players as they seem to lack basic fundamentals and its not just t-time. Its deng, gorden, gray and so on.
New rule!
If you’re going to make a statement about firing Paxson, then please submit your suggestion for who should be the GM. Because just saying get rid of him doesn’t really solve anything without someone to actually bring in.
by CJ Bulls on Dec 7, 2008 2:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Are you being sarcastic?
Phil is kind of busy right now, and has never been the personnel guy wherever he has coached?
Del Negro.
Take him out of coaching. Although I’m not sure he’s better.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
bad rule
a better one would be not saying he should be fired since it’s not going to happen anyway.
But whatever, Paxson’s been overall pretty bad, if you’ve given up on Thomas/Noah. Even worse if Deng’s meh while Gordon’s averaging 22 for the Thunder next year. There’s plenty of qualified candidates, though hopefully not from the former player pool that most teams go for.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Paxson is very quickly turning into one of the worst GM's in the NBA.
Possible strikes against him by the end of this year:
A) Thomas is a bust.
B) Noah is a bust.
C) Thabo is a bust.
D) Nocioni is overpaid and not traded.
E) HInrich is overpaid and not traded.
F) Deng looks to be a bad fit in the offense, thus overpaid.
G) Gordon appears to have been low-balled and leaves for less, or equal, money elsewhere.
So what, then, has he done if all those come true? (likely, something will not turn out to be true.) Nothing. And if those happen, he is one of the worst. And when you have one of the worst (and you’re a fan complaining) you don’t have to have a definite replacement right now. Just need to recognize you need something different.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
The problem is....
They said Doc Rivers was one of the worst coaches in the league, then he won a title.
They said Mitch Kupchak was one of the worst GMs in the league. And then he won the West. We can make a long list of his mistakes yet he still seems to have his team doing pretty well.
Very good point..
and anything is possible. Yet, I just don’t see any more moxie left in Paxson’s arsenal. He seems beaten, and with Reinsdorf recent taking more control taking the shells and the pistol from Johnny. Leaving Paxson with a little red toy water gun able to make moves equalvent to signing L. Hunter or injured Michael Ruffin.
man up!
Would I be surprised if Pax is fired after this year,
no I wouldn’t. Just don’t think it would be deserved. I think one of the keys to winning in the NBA is consistency, with coaching and the front office. The last thing this team needs is another GM to come in and start with their own perceptions of each player on the roster.
If they do make a move, it better be this year as well, for the start of the DRose era. Wait any longer, and you are just messing too much with long-term plans.
Ok
whats your opinion of the Paxson-Reinsdorf relationship?
Do you believe this cap limit is the only major barrier that Jerry has imposed on Paxson?
Do you believe Paxson has finally personally soured on Tyrus and Noah? I do?
Kirk’s been basically untouchable, a Paxson’s desire?
Does Paxson values loyality over responsible fiscal mgmt and winning?
man up!
I think Pax has a lot of freedom from Reinsdorf
except when it comes to the bottom line. He can’t go past that luxury tax without a really good reason. And I only base that on what I’ve seen on the Bulls and the freedom it appears Kenny Williams has with the White Sox.
I think he has soured on Tyrus, and think he did last year. But at this point, Tyrus has so little trade value you’re better off keeping him. Noah I’m not sure about. I think Noah needs to mature personally, and then he should be ok. Don’t know about Pax though.
I think Kirk WAS untouchable in a deal for anything other then another point guard. Then we got the #1 pick. Now, I believe Kirk will be gone by the trade deadline (one caveat, he needs to be back healthy in time). Too many teams could use a good point guard and Kirk’s contract isn’t that bad.
I’ve always said Pax responds to player who win. When they were winning, everyone gets an extension. When they collapsed, eh let’s hold on a minute here. If the team is winning, you will see the money flow. Right now that isn’t really happening so I think Pax is more reluctant to spead the $ around.
Ok another few questions
I’m entertainingly making assumptions you have a pulse beat into the mind of JP,
so if you don’t mind.
Do you believe JP had or has some fasination with (obtaining/drafting) foreign players
in the hope of hitting the jackpot at one point.. (Noc,Deng,Viktor,Thabo, even Gordon)?
In the hope of emulating the Spurs? Do you also think JP was trying to mold a team in the percevied
model of the no star player Pistons team? (when in fact the Pistons had 4 starting players out of 5 that
played in the same all-star game one year, and the one who didn’t get invited is probably one of
the best players on the present team)
Why does Luol Deng signing not support you above discussion?
How would you personally rate JP’s effort in player development? separately in acquiring resources to
mentoring the guards? and the bigs?
man up!
Answers
No one the foreign players. Deng and Gordon are not really foreigners.
I think he was trying to work with what he had. He had no stars so yeah he was working to emulate the no star thing. Although I don’t believe that’s what he thinks makes the best team.
I think he didn’t shell out huge money, the Deng contract and the contract offered to Gordon were fair, but not over the top. Had the team made the ECF last year and Ben Wallace wasn’t traded, I firmly believe Deng and Gordon would be signed to much bigger deals right now.
I think player development has been ok at best, but once again it was working with what you have. He had Skiles who only likes to play his type of players. Pax could only do so much to develop these players because Skiles was winning.
As for players on this team. Most have developed nicely. The standouts are Thabo, TT, Noah. I think Thabo has developed but limited in opportunities. Noah doesn’t seem interested in development at this time.TT remains a mystery to me.
Deng and Gordon are foreigners.
They’re not “International Players” since they played college in the US. Semantics, sure.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
A starting list of Paxson Replacements
1) Randy Pfund
At some near point the following will be ready to hang up the stress of day-2-day coaching
2) Jerry Sloan
3) Mike Krzyzewski
man up!
Was Pfund the GM?
I thought he was more like assistant with all decisions going through Riley?
his "title" was GM similiar to Paxson
while Riley serves as VP of Basketball Operations. So maybe that explains
Paxsons role as an assistant with decisions going into a in box and then later routed to Reinsdorf. This might explain the slower decision making processes in Bulls Org.
So do we need a VP of BasketBall Operations and continue to allow Paxson to be an assistant. I’m ok with that..
man up!
I think the situations were totally different.
Pax didn’t draft based on what Reinsdorf thought or made trades because of Reinsdorf. Riley ran the heat and pulled the trigger on all deal. Big difference.
"made trades because of Reinsdorf"?
Questionable? based on the amount of previous discussions!
Tyson Chandler – Ben Wallace – Ben Agent signing , would you say this was majority Paxson’s decision.
man up!
I think both were on board
I don’t think Pax opposed the decision to sign Wallace/trade Chandler. It does sound like Reinsdorf let it be known he wanted Ben Wallace as well.
I believe you are correct ... as it seems as always
This was on my mind today. I believe Pax realm of responsiblilty is too much for him. I believe many teams have decided to split the GM versus VP of Basketball Operations roles. I believe a time back yfbb and others discuss this issue?
If I consider JP, I would speculate that his talent is more on running an organization in the General Management role, insuring organizational profitability, supporting personal management, overseeing public relations, marketing, community services, making sure the Loveabulls and Benny the Bulls are happy and paid etc,etc. Heck the dude went to ND. I can’t remember what he majored in besides basketball? maybe Communications, Management or Accounting?
I imagine in theses areas Paxson probably gets a high rating on his annual reviews.
OK, but we also need a brillant basketball mind, quick witted, shewed negotiator with a eye for acquiring basketball talent and truely has a vision for style of play, team chemistry of a champion, etc, etc to balance a rookie coach.
Maybe this isn’t Paxson strengths, as he seems happy to give so much control over to his coaches. This isn’t a excuse, because still without someone servicing as his boss in a separate role, Paxson still should have been able to hire talent assistants with a true basketball eye for talent. In this area he has done poorly hiring his familiars and probably untalented friends.
And during his new coach selection process, his choice of words always strike me as desiring some one else to establish a vision for basketball operations and he would be happy just to take care of the general management of the organization…
man up!
oh god
Exult, you’ve done it again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I suppose
but you can find failures in all other fields of people who worked under greats but never could do it on their own.
See:
New England Coordinators
PJ Carlesimo
Anyone under Phil Jackson
another good point..
I had hope PJ Carlesimo would find some success and display some positive results in his most recent situation?
Still for as many unsuccessful examples, there also have been many examples where mentorship leads to greatness.
man up!
Vinny played under Jim Valvano
That’s gotta count for something…..right?
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 8, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
If he was really a solid choice
after 13 years why has no one else hired him? And why did Riley let him leave the team?
I meant the other two.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Phil Jackson
Although I recognize he’s currently “busy,” he may not be busy next year
I don't see it?
How is he a personnel guy? Great coach.
I've never wanted to be too hard on Pax
probably because of his history with the team….
I just finished perusing all of the team’s transactions since ‘98 on the Bulls website. Every trade flat out sucked except for two. Swapping draft pcks to acquire Deng and dumping Wallace. The dumping of Wallace can be argued on several different levels(There have been numerous posts on the subject and I’m not trying to bring that up here). In that time the only move on the FA market that acquired a “top level” player was Wallace. So the only really good thing that he has done in his entire tenure is get Deng.
I have watched the whole thing over the last ten years and just didn’t remember it really being that bad.
It is time for a change at the helm.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
Rose changes everything
Sure, Reinsdorf is a meddling owner, and that’s always bad. Somehow Jordan changed the equation enough to get 6 titles though, though as we know it wasn’t always pretty, and it totally blew up in the end.
Pax has had to work in some bizarre circumstances because of Reinsdorf, and because of strange luck, from heart conditions to motorcycle accidents, to deal with devil Skiles, which blew up badly, gave us Boylan, and a demoralized roster, contract problems that “couldn’t get solved”, trades that “couldn’t get done” because of “luxury tax” that shouldn’t be in play… the long list of stuff in this thread, and especially the insight that Pax has lost his way, and is burned out….
and then along comes Rose. As has been mentioned, whatever plan that was failing, had there actually still been one…is trash. For Pax, this is even more bizarre…a total car crash of a roster with a coach who is just starting on all the mistakes he’s going to have to make to become experienced…and now, a superstar drops out of the sky.
Pax ain’t gonna quit, or be fired, until and unless, Rose starts talking trash about how the team is being run to the press. So, in the meantime, there will be some pretty strange rosters, and strange trades….and Rose will eventually be appeased by changes of GM, and coach. Guess that happens about all star game next year.
Meaning next season's all star game...ie in 2010...
not 2009 all star game. Rose isn’t going to get a ‘tude about team brainrust anytime this year….he’s going to be too busy just working on his game. And being nice to Mr. Pax and Mr. Dorf.. But Rose expectations for Bull’s second season with him will start to chafe against actual results of brainrust actions. Might be possible to bring in a good coach at that point…someone Rose camp looks favorably on…so could get better after getting worse…
Paxs must go
I like Paxson and most others like him too. But he is not a good GM. Besides Rose the entire team is a mess. He has not made one move/trade with any current players but draft rights. The biggest problem that can happen to GM is he falls in love with his players. It’s like fantasy basketball or football. There comes I time when you have to get rid of the player who you thought was going to have a breakout season the last 3 years. Rose needs some athletes around him. Gerald Wallace would be a nice fit.
Paxson is sitting back relaxing on his sofa or on vacation
eating popcorn, reading Money & Organizational Management Magazines watching other teams make hopeful trades in the NBA?
Why?
Because he can. His team hasn’t exceeded the NBA salary cap, plus his team is nearly playing .500 basketball, and filling the seats at the UC.
man up!
I've always maintained that this is the philosophy of the Cubs
which is why I no longer am a Cub fan
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