Open Game Thread #32: Bulls vs Orlando Magic
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does any one think we can win thiz one
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 1:03 PM CST reply actions
yes
given the closeness of the first matchup and the bulls record at home this is a very winnable game.
Gu Bulls!
Give me a win… please!!!
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thabo starts
love the starting lineup, keep noc out as long as possible..see how gray does vs howard or it could be noah early
Try Justin.tv
Looks like there are a few links from which to choose.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
gray
gray needs to foul like that if he gets beat by howard..make him beat us at the line
Dear Thabo,
Make Hedo Turkoglu post up our guards.
Sincerely,
The Fans
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
Tyrus falls asleep
More braindead examples from Tyrus 3 minutes into the game.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
Rose, BG, Thabo, TT and Noah
wow
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Not his shot
"..what you mean? I'm a legend like Kareem!"
by CommittedToExcellence on Dec 31, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
hes probably feeling too selfish...
he had already taken 3..rose is weird like that sometimes, and he rarely takes that shot unless a team continually leaves him open from there
So is this what you wanted?
Noc and Hughes instead?
Dont understand why people would complain about what we had out there, we dont have a good team.
What to do, with Larry Hughe?
Thomas has been awful so far
He has completely forgotten he was guarding yet another camping perimeter player in Rashard Lewis.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon is cold :(
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this is just ugly
they are way too talented and diverse for us
this is what happens..
when bg is cold, and theres a big guy/game plan designed to stop rose’s penetration…
2009-2010 season preview!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Doubling Dwight Howard is bad defense
Make him drop 40 on you. He can’t do it.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 1:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Really
We have to stop doubling Howard. Make him play a magical post game. He’s not going to do it. His post moves are weak beyond dunking. Their offense crumbles when Howard has to hold the ball and make things happen alone.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
wtf is hapening?
Are they already thinking in 2009?
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Wow, what a difference in playing styles
Orlando actually moving the ball around. Lots of patience. THAT*S how you play basketball! Us, one-on-one. first shot we can take.
This is going to be ugly
SVG is a darned fine coach
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
It would seem that way
Screwed out of Miami by Riles…
He’s in a pretty good situaton now, though
SVG was a bad coach with the Badgers in his one year in the mid 90's,
so maybe VDN will be a good coach in 10 years. :(
by Granny Waiters on Dec 31, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Right
And we want to wait for that?
I think not
amen
and unfortunately…we dont have the players to do that! outside of rose and sometimes gordon….
We can still play like that
Patience and playing actual basketball with screens and movement does not depend on the level of talent. Although it naturally makes it a bit easier…
We should still be better. This comes down to the coach(es).
Woke up late
hungover…looked on online, saw this..freaked out, turned on WGN..and
TODAY IS FRIKIN AWESOME
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
trade him now
i cant watch another game with him in there
He's guarding Hedo 40 feet from the rim
This is terrible defense. Coaches? Silent.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
We have men with titles
and suits. Coaches? I’m checking again.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
I hate Del harris
I blame all of VDN’s discrepancies on him
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
For you Noc?
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
he's really stupid
He got lucky on that call. Could been worst
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thabo
this is when thabo is at his best, not trying to do too much…just makes the right pass, makes the right cut…outside a bad jumper early ive loved the way he has played
nocioni
that is an absolutely bulls*** foul…garbage
Vinatge shaq
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
hahaha
maybe he does have some worth…he is about to get destroyed by howard, im kinda excited about this now
i like hard fouls by Noc...
honestly that is the way more people should play. I am so sick of seeing these pussy fouls turn into And 1’s.
and i don't mean his foul on Howard because that was a little excessive
but in general
by i_like_turtles on Dec 31, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
theres a difference
between hard fouls and grabbing someone by the back of the jersey and around the shoulder and throwing him down as hard as you can…
lol @ noah's shuffle
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
smh @ that layup
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-18, 10 minutes remaining 2nd, at home
Is this not a firing offense?
This is pathetic.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
Lol, I wanted him fired during pre-season...
A bit premature, perhaps.
It turns out you should always go with ur gut ;)
Sooo, how much do we lose by tonite?
20-30-40?
I’d say somewhere between 30 and 40.
REBOUND!!!
I need to get off this channel
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
coaching
when are we gonna be able to stop teams from posting up our smalls….the hawks did it with no adjustment, orlando did it last game obviously no adjustment with hedo on bg AGAIN
new Bud light commercial >>>>>>>
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
Rose and Noah the best Bulls so far
If BG doesn’t start to hit some 3, this game will be finished at halftime
Orlando should trade for shaq
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
I actually saw that we were down 20, read about how awful we were playing here
…and then turned the game on. What’s wrong with me?
I'll one-up both of you
I missed the game and I’m going to read this entire thread. On New Year’s Eve. Just to see if there’s any positives. I need a life.
by California Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm more shocked
that there isn’t a better head amon Del Harris and Bernie!? :O
THese guys have HOW much exp!!??
in noc mind
every contested shot is a wide open jumper and hes never committed a foul…unreal
Vinny is seriously an idiot, no joke, he's a moron.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Other than Howard, is Orlando really that much more talented than we are?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
That's what I'm saying
It’s lack of effort on the defensive end. That’s coaching.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Well
THey play a different sport.
What they’re doing is called basketball
What we’re doing: ?
Getting punched by and handing over our money to the Chairman
Thanks Jerry.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Would seem like it
Or in my case: Just wasting alot of Gdamn time
Do you think we'll make the tournament this year?
Oh wait…we’re an NBA team, I forgot.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Dec 31, 2008 1:53 PM CST reply actions
Hey, at least the schedule gets easier
Oh wait, they play at Cleveland next, never mind.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
lol @ the kid eating a apple
rose can learn from him
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by Belize on Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This is the type of game where Noah should play 40 minutes
Leave him on the court, and run his ass into shape. At least you don’t have to worry about it affecting the outcome of the game here.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
we need to bring in....
thibodeaux as our head coach and marc jackson as our lead assistant and derrick rose’s mentor
i dont think that its gona happen pax loves this guy
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Can't it be both?
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by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
We can only hope
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
What a fucked-up organization
The GM has a job for life not because he’s any kind of genius, but because he hit a game winning shot in an NBA Finals game 15 years ago. There’s no fucking accountability here, and there won’t be as long as the UC is full every night.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
You think a great depression could get Pax canned?
Maybe a World War or two?
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
VDN's after the game speech
“Well you know we had some tough match-ups tonight and we really could have used Deng and Gooden. No excuses though we didn’t play well.”
by i_like_turtles on Dec 31, 2008 2:05 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
While I agree with the firing of Pax
and even Vinny to some degree…who should they replace them with? Brian Colangelo’s run in Toronto is about done, he could fill Pax’s spot. I’m not really up on GM’s and who’s out there….anyone know?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
not too sure about GM, but there is a ton of good coaches out there currently: avery johnson, van gundy, etc
Jalen Rose for GM?
i’m sure he would be down to give up his ESPN fastbreak job…
let’s stick to former players
by i_like_turtles on Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
J.J. Redick is still in the league?
I thought he was busy being Dick Vitale’s man-slave.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Howard get his double-double before the half yet?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
13 and 10
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Sounds about right
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Dec 31, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Howard: 11 rebounds. The Bulls: 15
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
I should have put in some bets
I know my team. Why not make some side cash on their defeats?
I’ll even place my winnings in the Fire PaxVin trust.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Noah better show me sum
He’s getting abused and looks scared in a few plays
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I can't help it
I’m taping the game but can’t avoid checking in on the thread.
now do you see what I mean about the 5th seed?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM CST reply actions
Did the Magic just trade JJ during a game? We should take note.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
um, really?
I’m not watching, any truth to this?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
its just dat i hate when ever he lose the ball when he has the ball
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I hate you say 'dat' intead of 'that'
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That happens
Because everyone is sucking. So, he’s trying to do something by himself. That’s no excuse, but that’s what is happening
does cedric simmons start the 2nd half?
VDN should just throw in the towel
better than Michael Ruffin
considering Ruffin has been injured with a sprained ankle since pre-season. Yes, a 2 month sprained ankle.
by i_like_turtles on Dec 31, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
small ball wow.. come and watch lot's of scoring
against us… Even drop Noriega can get 50 on this team. Gingus Khan just dunked over Noah. I am doing something else instead of wasting time watching this team. What a joke!!
Maybe the Real Estate market can tank some more forcing the Chairman
to sell the team to the Colangelos.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
or to sell the team to anyone
the problem is — the tanking real estate market just makes it even more likely that he’s going to run the team like a penny pinching jerk and churn out another huge profit.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Overflow thread?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
it's not even at 200
unless it’s for good mojo, in which case….meh, not worth it :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
lets not even make an overflow thread
it wont be worth it…at all and i sense less posts the 2nd half. This is a game people actually turn off.
ive watched every game
and some really bad ones….and im really considering now watching the 2nd half
I thought I heard them talking about excecuting some defensive schemes before the game
But their making it look like there is no way to really counter anything the Magic are doing.
What do you think VDN is doing in the locker room
right now? I’m gonna go with sitting @ his desk face in hands thinking to himself “Why did I take this job?”
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Shaving his head before the speech
fingers crossed
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by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Holy bejesus.
We bad.
I’m outta here. Happy New Year, all.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I just turned the game on
At least tell me there was a play where Derrick Rose made the crowd go “Ah!”
He had an and 1 on some guy
There was an ah but sulking since we didn’t really get better from there
Doug Thonus has been predicting that this Bulls team
would win around 47 games. That is just ridiculous to me. When this team won 49 games a few years back we were in basically every game we played and you always felt as if we had a chance to win. This team is not even close to that good. There’s not one game on the schedule that can be considered a gimme. They could absolutely lose to a team like the Thunder. This team is lost.
I do think the talent is there to win in the upper 40s
but I agree that Doug was always off-base when he was using this year as any type of predictor. He was merely looking at wins and losses in relation to schedule strength, and not how close the games were, or how bad the team looked.
If you squeak out a win against the Clippers, you’re good enough to get blown out by Orlando.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Really? Upper 40's with that front court?
It kinda feels like 40 would be the ceiling for this team. Anything above 45 usually means a better than good team. All we have is a great backcourt and I don’t think that will get us there.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
We have no defense to get to 47 wins
I thought we could get to 44, but that was when I thought we’d at least put in a consistent defensive effort. No chance we’re doing that now. 35 wins looks like a better target.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Aaron get your fat ass out of the lane
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Can anyone explain to me what is the point of playing Gray?
He has 4 fouls and 0 points. Besides, he’s slepping out there…
Match ups....it's all about match ups
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
He should be boxing out Howard
by shoving his fat ass into Howard’s legs. You can box out Howard well and he’ll foul to get around you.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Why 'develop' young players and
force them to play back into the game when you can sit them and ‘showcase’ the likes of Noce, Larry & Thabo?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Dec 31, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
i throw up a little in my mouth...
everytime Stacey calls Hughes “Big Shot Larry”
Sounds cool on the Spanish feed
Disparo Grande Larry!
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by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe all TT and Thabo need to do
to get more playing time is attend the Andres Nocioni School of jersey pulling and flopping?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Hughes
trade trade trade, maybe somebody will fall for him after this little run
Do you think
VDN mentioned before the game that we should take it at Howard strong to try and get him in foul trouble early? I mean we knew he would dominate us why not try to take him out of the game as much as possible?
At least, I believe Noah will get his first double-double of the year
Two more rebounds, thats all he needs
im a beast on 2k9 i bet i can bet any of u guys with the bulls on 2k9
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions
yeah
everyone dominates when theyre talking on a message board..i bet you both suck!
i'll play
i got the blazers…wont be for a while though, friend me at boorad7
yeah i got it and its the shyt its better then 360 its better on a ps3 i like 2k9 way better then live
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
let me get urs so i kan kill u on this game
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
igth the fo sho just dont be mad whe i bet u lol
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
My gamertag's IPrevengeI
I’ll crush you.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
we got a hater in the zone i bet i u cant affort that game thats why u mad
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
yeah you got me
not hatin, jus sayin everyone is always the best when theyre bragging on a message board
i wish i could show u how good i am in that game
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
tell u what i could even bet u with the same sucky players dat we have
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
ok
you probably just give it to rose every play so it doesn’t really matter who else you have out there…i’ll be alright
I've been through 2 years and have had a ton of trades
My starting 5 is Rose, Parker, Kapono, Bosh, and Dwight
nice but i think i still could bet that with our sucky players
by chi town monster on Dec 31, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
haha
too bad you dont have 360 so we wont figure it out..you got nhl09 for ps3? that game is hot
When I play on HoF,
Noah gets 20/10 games.
:P
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
matchup zone
this is the worst matchup zone i have ever seen
I'm telling you, man
use real words. I’m serious.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
d00d,
wat u b talkn bout? we gon wath sum b-bal
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
This isn't Yahoo! Sports,
where most of the comments look like they are posted by pre-teens.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 1, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Did u see SVG
actually TALK to his team during a time-out!!
You’re allowed to do that??
Someone tell VDN!!
It seems to me he always steps away from
the bench with his arms folded and talks to his ass.
Is it an organizational thing. Nameless used to do that too…
Yep
I don’t watch enough to know for sure, but my perception is that good coaches generally make good use of their timeouts. They hit the ground running, and tell the players what they want to tell them.
Bad coaches call the timeout and then spend a minute thinking and then talk to their team. Or don’t talk to them at all.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Yes, and there is SO much
that needs to be told! I’mjust flabbergasted, jawdropped and awestruck that our “coaches” don’t talk to the players during the TO’s. It’s just extremely basic. I’ve played for some 20 years and coached for four season on youth-level. I always talked to (yelled at) the players during the TO’s! I don’t understand it on any level.
Ok, so this guy has no coaching exp, but COME ON! And he has asses, as well!
I’m :O
Noc will finish high assist man?
then Paxs will say… I’m keeping Noc to give him minutes also as 3rd pg.
man up!
Barring a good trade
I wonder if this VDN Bulls team is a .500 club by season end? Currently it looks like we might be the same as last year give or take a few games.
man up!
If we get a real coach?
The sky is the limit!
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
I would take a real interior defense
over better coaching.
Noah and TT still have promise, but neither is big enough to bang inside.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 1, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
YAFO
Yet Another Firing Offense
I’m putting that one up on the big board.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 31, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
ty thomas
has anyone in a bulls jersey ever played less dedicated than tyrus in the last few minutes of that game? he was being guarded by jj redick and wouldn’t even try and post up. atleast he checked into the game, can’t really ask for more when you’re down by 25.
(didn't watch the game)
but it’s garbage time. Shame on Vinny for having Tyrus in anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Are you fucking kidding?
Sometimes I imagine this is how Tyrus probably thinks too. Instead of seeing an opportunity, he sees everything as an insult – a reason to pout, bitch, and half-ass it.
Which is why he routinely gets his ass kicked. He’s a pussy and he doesn’t deserve better than what he gets.
De gustibus non est disputandum
easy there
it was garbage time, I’d take it as an insult too. This organization has been insulting him for years. He doesn’t help himself, and he’s immature, but still.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
be realistic
what has ty thomas done in his time here to earn anything about garbage time? he’s not some veteran that is being insulted by our organization. hes a young player who has been a bust thus far, and should be using every minute on the court to prove he can play. what you are saying is ridiculous
everyone sucks!
Derrick Rose for Governor!!!!!!
by ImmanuelKant on Dec 31, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
nah, man, what YOU'RE saying is ridiculous
really.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Was the flagging really necessary? I've seen quite a bit worse said here, and routinely.
And no, I don’t think it’s much of an insult at this point.
Tyrus is a young player who hasn’t exactly built a resume of success. He’s in no way established that he’s entitled to, well… pretty much anything.
What, “but still” is there after saying that “he doesn’t help himself”. He routinely “doesn’t help himself”. He “doesn’t help himself” at pretty much every opportunity.
I’m all for being player friendly, but it’s not too much to ask of a guy to help himself and it’s reasonable to get frustrated with someone when they continually won’t.
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well in terms of the reasoning behind your frustration
sure. I disagree with the magnitude of what’s his responsibility, but sure.
as far as the ‘flagging’, email me if you’re confused as to why it was necessary.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Not just my frustration.
I mean jeez, even if you completely discount the obvious frustration Pax, Skiles, VDN (despite their faults, they have valid views), and that nameless assclown (whose opinion I don’t value at all) showed, this is pretty much the same stuff that had Rose and damn near every veteran on the team practically screaming on court at Tyrus earlier in the year. The only difference tonight is that they just weren’t out there. But don’t think that they didn’t see it, and don’t think it doesn’t make THEM think he’s a total clown. Nobody wants their teammates to act like losers.
Which is exactly what Thomas has consistently acted like.
And yeah, it’s pretty important. Tyrus had been more productive of late, but the truth of the matter is he’d have to be damn near an all-star to make fans, coaches and teammates consider that sort of stuff minor. Success breeds forgiveness. Being slightly above average with a crummy attitude makes you damn near useless.
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i don't get your specific complaints
who’s yelling at Thomas and when? Is this really about today’s game where he doesn’t post up? I don’t know what you’re referring to about them yelling at him on the court.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
oh, god no.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
yes.
It started because someone ranted that Tyrus wasn’t posting up in the last minute of the game. I was commenting on that observation. No, I didn’t observe it myself.
If I’m way off base on that particular instance please fill me (and ’oakdale’) in.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
I was going to reference something with TT that happened today but then
saw your comment above that you didnt watch the game, sooo I figured it was a waste of time since you didn’t see it…
fair enough.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
OK, specifics?
I’ll go back and link if you want them, but
1. Going back to high school, a couple instances of Tyrus getting mad and quitting or threatening to quit his team when things didn’t go his way. Add interviews with his college teammates and coach talking about how he’s generally a moody and remote guy.
2. Skiles “he never runs” blowup.
3. Tyrus’ pre-meditated practice blowoff last year.
4. The game earlier this year when he was loafing around early in the game. Various folks noted In the gamethread how his body language looked awful before the tip, and how Rose and other players were yelling at him to make cuts, set screens, etc.
5. A similar game with similar actions by his teammates a few games later (it was the one he threw the ball into about the fifth row).
6. His getting kicked out of practice at least once by VDN for some sort of sarcastic remark.
7. VDN’s remarks a few games ago about not getting defensive help from his bigs (seemed obvious in the particular context he was talking about Tyrus).
8. I’m also thinking about Nocioni and Gooden’s quotes which you hammered on a couple days ago. It’s true they’re not really in a position to talk from our perspective, but if you look at how the NBA works, rather than our sense of fairness, you don’t want to have fairly established, veteran players saying the young guys aren’t trying (Noc) or very good at defense (Gooden). That’s an open indictment on your teammates.
Is that specific enough. A couple of things can be discounted, perhaps, but if you put the whole thing together, it paints a consistent picture of Thomas as a pretty frustrating guy to work with.
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I was focusing on on-court poutiness
I don’t know the game you’re talking about where he’s refusing to set screens and move, honestly. I consider the ‘running the floor’ issues to be more spaciness than poutiness.
I know he’s immature and moody and sometimes a jerk off the court. Wish he wasn’t. But I always thought he was committed to himself (at least) and wasn’t to the point where he’s openly disrupting the team on the court in a pout.
I agree that such behavior is bad. And if you see a pattern of it, it’s bad. But I don’t.
So back to this specific instance: no I didn’t see the game. I do see he was subbed in for the darling Noc at 5:13 left down 104-82. I can see how he’d take that as an insult, and be justified in that belief. Noc should be the mop-up man. He’s got the talent and personality for it :-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
None of those issues I pointed out were "off the court" issues. They were things that happened in games and practicing with his teams
How about the various times when he’s been “working hard on his jumper” by shooting his warmup shots left-handed.
Really and truly, I’m sort of surprised a guy like Nocioni or PJ Brown hasn’t gone apeshit crazy and tried to kill him.
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Yes it's time!
Fire Paxson, sell the fucking team to someone who cares about winning titles.
Derrick Rose for Governor!!!!!!
by ImmanuelKant on Dec 31, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
AM1000 post game
included some canned holiday wishes from….Ben Wallace.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions
did anyone see the coaches huddle in the last time out?
They all stood around like they were at a shot gun wedding. Nobody wants to be there. Nobody talks. If I was an outsider I would have no idea which guy was the coach.
Derrick Rose for Governor!!!!!!
sure you would
Del Harris!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
thats what I would guess too. The old silver back.
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by ImmanuelKant on Dec 31, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
My WGN feed was really messed up throughout the game
But from the little bit I saw, I’m pretty glad I wasn’t able to watch it.
"I don't know, I think the Bears should just defer so they don't have to put their offense out there to start" -Tony Kornhesier
being worse?
I’d take middle of the pack right now.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
new thread is up
happy new year!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2008 3:52 PM CST reply actions
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