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Poor guy...
Jermaine O’Neal will have that affect on people.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
sounds familiar
a team that went to the playoffs and looked to be contenders in the east. but they get off to a rocky start to the season and the coach is fired. at least they didnt have a circus trip and he wasnt fired on christmas eve.
It aint easy bein' Piatkowski
Meh... the Raptors just don't seem that good to me
However, NBAObserver has been talking a lot because I’ve seen the words “Raptors” and “Andres Nocioni” mentioned in the same paragraph a couple times lately.
I’d be pretty willing to consider Bargnani. With Rose, having a seven footer who can step out and shoot looks like an interesting possibility.
De gustibus non est disputandum
haha, I saw that too
I’d take anything, I don’t even think 2010 or expiring deals can be had anymore. maybe Kapono?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
How about O'Neil?
The experiment with him and Bosh seems to be going over like a lead baloon. Maybe we could convince them to take on Kirk and Noc for O’Neil.
It’ll give them a short-term kick in the pants, but it’ll lock them into mediocrity and get us in a position to offer money to Bosh.
We need to make the deal in order to get him, and they need to make the deal in order to put enough around him to “convince” him to stay. Or something.
De gustibus non est disputandum
I would pass on O'Neil.
he’s not doing to great for Toronto so far.
I would do a trade like this:
Toronto is really bad at Defense this year. Adding Sefolsha might catch their eye.
No one is going to want Noc as the "centerpiece" of a deal
So the Bulls will have to add in someone with value to get Noc off the books.
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by RogersPark Kris on Dec 4, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Thabo should have some value
mmmmmaybe.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 4, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Another benifit....
to the trade above… is that since the contracts for Bargani and Kapono end in 2010…
It might give us an advantage for signing Bosh… if he really likes either of those players, and wants them around, we can try a little harder to resign them. And then he will have a few very familiar faces in the locker room.
If he doesn’t like them, then we don’t resign them, and it’s obviously extra cap room.
After thinking on it, I can't imagine they'd trade Bargnani
I mean, he’s starting to look pretty decent, despite being a guy who’s really a high post center being played out of position as a SF. Not great, but pretty decent.
And how many times do you see teams dump a #1 overall pick? I’d be a really big admission of failure on their part. And finally, what would it do? Lock them into an injury prone O’Neil?
If you think about it, that’s not a good scenario for the Raptors. They could, however, get way with trading away O’Neil pretty quickly under the guise of Bargnani making improvements and them needing help in other areas.
De gustibus non est disputandum
that's how I always felt when speculating their stance on Bargnani.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 4, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think they would trade him for the right veteran
but that player isn’t on the Bulls.
Plus, it could be a situation of his value being higher to the Raps than it could be to any other team looking to trade for him. There’s just too much left to project on him.
Luol Deng.
The trade exception the Bulls have would allow them to get over the BYC issue in Deng’s contract, and what more could Toronto ask for than polite, cosmopolitan, somewhat British nice guy Lou?
De gustibus non est disputandum
Yes, that is the kind of deal they'd want
I just would never consider moving Lu for Bargnani. I hope the Bulls don’t either.
Bargnani is 7'
Deng is 6’7. SFs are perceived, and actually, more replacable.
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eww
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 5, 2008 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
You don't agree that is a fact in BGs case?
You should have commented when I initially posted it. This isn’t a big secret. There are reason why Chandler and Dalembert get 10mm/yr contracts and Ben is still fighting another year looking for a long term deal.
The gap between Kaman/BG and Deng/Bargnani is extremely far apart.
one issue with dealing with the Raps
both them and the Bulls are razor-thin close to the tax threshold.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 4, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Here’s what looks sensible to me.
The Bulls trade Hughes, Nocioni, Gray
The Raptors trade O’Neil and Nathan Jawai
Financially, this is so close that it keeps both the Bulls and Raptors under the luxury tax threshold.
I also think it addresses both team needs. The Raptors could use a scorer on the perimeter and to move Anthony Parker to the 3. They get Noc as a backup 3/4 and get to play Bargnani at the 5 where he should be. Gray is as useful as ever as a backup 5.
For us, we turn several overpriced guys at positional logjams into one overprised guy at a position of need.
1- Rose, Hunter
2- Gordon,Thabo
3- Deng, Thabo
4- Gooden, Thomas
5- O’Neil, Noah
It’s a very unsexy trade, but it’d solidify our frontcourt in the short-run and open up 2010 salary in the long run.
De gustibus non est disputandum
This makes a ton of sense for the Bulls
but I don’t know for the Raps. While O’Neal isn’t the same player anymore, he’s really helped Bosh blossom this year. I don’t think want to be throwing Bosh back at center for 35 mpg.
Hughes and Noc could help them though.
I keep thinking you want Kevin O'Neil
it’s O’Neal. :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 4, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
It's true that I would trade Hughes, Noc and Gray for Kevin O'Neil
Or Tip O’Neil. Or pretty much anyone.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Mike McGraw is now fanning the flames
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1054
The Raptors want to prove to Bosh he can contend for a title in Toronto and they don’t have much time.
The Raptors could use a good second scoring option to pair with Bosh, but don’t have much trade bait beyond some expiring contracts.
Should the Bulls and Raptors look to make a deal? One option for the Bulls is to sit tight and hope that Toronto decides to trade Bosh. If he doesn’t sign an extension next summer, that might become a strong possibility.
Could Andres Nocioni average 15 points per game as a starter in Toronto? Maybe, since his shooting stroke usually improves with more minutes. But would the Raptors be willing to swap, say, Anthony Parker and Joey Graham, who both have shorter contracts?
Such a deal could pave the way for the Bulls to create some cap room in 2010, when Nocioni is set to make $6.85 million. They could even re-sign Gordon, theoretically, and still have room to go after a major free agent, if they let Drew Gooden walk away next summer. The Raptors would have to think twice about aiding a potential future suitor for Bosh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 5, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
here's to hoping
a coaching change doesn’t do shit, they can’t make it over the hump, and Bosh decides to bolt to Chi-town in 2010…
Personally I would love to see an overhaul
take place this season. Like I could really go for a trade like right now. Today.
Noch,Gooden,Sefo,BG,Hinrich, Hughes. See what you can get if anything. Screw the playoffs.
Rose, Deng, Thomas, Noah, could be like they guys you should work with.
Sam Mitchell is tall. And a shooting guard.
Forget Bargnani and O’Neal. Suit up Sam Mitchell!
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by bullhockey on Dec 4, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
A "defensive guy" with a team suited to run
Or something. Why Toronto (and Colangelo for that matter) didn’t try and pursue D’Antoni over the offseason aggressively is perplexing.
"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."
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