ITs been a while so...Another 2010 plan!!!
Lets just get right into it....
First the bulls do this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3224~2456~1982~3018&teams=12~12~4~4&te=&cash=
Then the bulls do this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~3016~1981&teams=4~4~30&te=&cash=
Thus the remaining of this years season the bulls look like this:
D. Rose/Felton/Hunter
B.Gordon/hughes/Thabo
Luol Deng/Morrison
Gooden/Tyrus/novak
Kaman/Gray
(simmons and ruffin can be filler if possible but they dont really matter)
Dont sign gordon or gooden..Gordon will definetly want about 10 mil per year, and gooden will probably want about the same as he is getting paid, 7 mil per year. I dont think gooden is worth more than 5 mil per year, and say i agree with the hive here and say gordon is worth starter money, i have a better concept in mind anyway. I'm not a big felton fan, so i wouldnt want to resign him either, instead id take lindsey hunter for another year or any other cheap pg who has a brain. Novak can be signed cuz he probably is cheap.
Going into 2010 we look like this:
D.Rose/Hunter(or other cheap guard)
Hughes (i know)/Thabo
Luol Deng/Morrison
Tyrus/Novak
Kaman/Gray
So i know what you're thinking, this team isnt that good. Rose would really be thrown into the fire, but i think after watching him this year, i believe he can take it and get better....which could be scary. Hughes sucks, but he can do a job of playing shooting guard. Thabo i pray will improve so we dont have to just be stuck with hughes for 48 minutes. Deng should get back to normal, and 40 minutes should be doable for him, morrison can take the backup role...if nothing else he can knockdown a few jumpers including 3s and just give luol some rest. You can even flip thabo and morrison around position wise. Tyrus i think is starting to get it, and another good offseason seems immenent, i think next year he should be ready to actually produce consistantly, so he deserves to start. novak can give tyrus a few min of rest and nothing more. Kaman will hopefully be at his worst i think is as good as Brad Miller now, and at his best could be something special. Gray can contribute for 14 minutes a night i think. He has to lose some more weight.
I think this team can, if they play hard, and hoping everyone develops a bit, sneak into the playoffs, or at least be in a race for a berth. Thats all that they need to be.
The money we will have in the offseason should be enough to get something this is what i would try to do...
Put all stock into getting joe johnson, d. rose, johnson, kaman should be pretty damn competetive, it should also help ease deng into a better role on the team. The defense would be pretty good too, with rose and johnson in the backcourt, and tyrus and kaman in the front. deng isnt a bad defender, and those athletic wings that get past him would have trouble waiting for them in the paint and help defense from the perimeter. It would be a team that could compete in the east, especially with the celtics on thier way down.
You could also go into a play for bosh, if thomas doesnt work out. kaman or tyrus, after seeing so many minutes in 2010 should be tradeable, and bosh would work well with both of them.
Im assuming lebron and wade will be the first ones signed, probably by the teams they are on now. Most teams i think will go for this order of attempts; Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Yao, Joe Johnson/Al Horford (atlanta should be able to hold onto one of them at least). After that Nowitski would be next followed by in no real order (team needs come into play) Manu, Nash, Parker, prince, pierce, Oden, Butler, Young (both thadeus and Nick) Durant, and stuckey. After that we have the good role players or has beens in Redd, Kapono, Randolf, Dunleavy, Thornton, Jefferson, Peja, Dalembert, Peterson, Evans, and jianlian.
If we cant land Bosh or Joe Johnson, i would like to go for something from the second group plus something from the third group. With Kaman being our post presence, and rose being our main slasher and play maker, guys who can shoot the 3 ball on the wing would be a nice compliment, plus someone who can play defense. I would love to have a manu and dalembert for instance. Theres a ton of combos that can be made, and i think the bulls should be around the top 5 best destination for alot of these players (if available). The order for most likable destination for most of these players would probably be Knicks (money and market), Clevland (if they dont sign lebron), Toronto (lots of money if they dont sign Bosh), and then the bulls would probably be the next team (great market, star pg, and at this point lots of money). At the worst the bulls will have two teams that become more likable as a destination which should still be enough to get someone(s) worthwhile.
This seems like the best plan, and its not a complete blow up team rebuild. its a sacrifice of really (again according to the hive mind here) one GREAT player, one overpaid decent player, and one overpaid crap player (but which one of those two is hinrich and which one is noch?) and of course sacrificing the development of noah (seriously will anyone care about keeping the next verajao? ) But i really think ultimately you have to lose ben gordon. We need to have defense from both starting front court and starting backcourt, as well as offense in order to actually compete, and ben gordons best defense will still not be enough.
(for those of you surprised that im willing to have hinrich traded for well...crap...its because im thinking hinrich would like great in charlotte, though they have ugly jerseys g wallace, hinrich, and okafor would run smoothly together. Also if all else fails in 4 years the bulls could resign him for alot less, and hinrich would probably accept too. )
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The five stages of grief (bear with me)
The last stage is acceptance, which is where I’m at. The Bulls just aren’t that good. From reading your trade proposals, I sense that you are at that stage also. We want Pax to trade for a KG or Ray Allen, but all he has are Dengs, Hughes, Goodens, etc. and Deng is a BYC besides, to say nothing about Gordon. So Pax’s task is quite formidable.
For these reasons my favorite choice at getting better with what we have to trade is getting Kaman. My hope would be that he plays well with Rose. That would give us 1 1/2 to 2 pieces towards the three we need to be competitive. I also agree that we probably end up keeping Hughes as difficult as that may be.
This is going to be a process-through the summer of ’10.
by hlac on Dec 28, 2008 10:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think we can get Kaman...
And certainly not for the trade that picc posted. MDSR loves him and won’t trade him. And for some strange reason, MDSR seems to have a lot of job security.
He is my favorite target though. He would help us so much (when he’s healthy). I think it’s much more likely that we can get Camby. And really, that gives more 2010 cap space, and if we lure a max level free agent, I wouldn’t mind resigning Camby to something reasonable.
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by kidronmusic on Dec 28, 2008 4:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like camby also
I think the clippers have a good thing going right now with camby and randolf. Both are really playing well together. It sort of is similar to our backcourt situation. Where we have rose(our pg) gordon (sg) and hinrich (combo) ideally i would want rose and gordon to start and hinrich can backup being the 3rd guard off the bench, but the biggest problem is hinrich is paid starter money. In that same light they have Camby (defense) Randolf (offense) and Kaman (combo offense and defense) ideally camby could be thier 6th man and relieve either randolf or kaman and this his role however, he like hinrich is paid starter money and thus might be overpaid for that role. Both kaman and hinrich are also highly regarded by thier respective owners/gms so if blogabull is screaming for hinrich to be gone, wouldnt the clippers be screaming for a good camby trade?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Dec 28, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i meant kaman trade btw
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Dec 28, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Kaman a great fit with Rose?
I think we all understand why yfbb, among others, thinks Brad Miller would be a good fit. Yeah, he’s 32, but he’s a guy who doesn’t camp out underneath the basket.
Maybe we should be looking for the next Brad Miller instead of a more prototypical center?
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by Sports2 on Dec 28, 2008 5:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Gray doesnt get in the way on offense
Aaron gray looks pretty decent on the offensive end, and if gray can look decent, kaman would look stellar. Also hows brad’s defense at this point in his career, and can he be physical enough to get rebounds?
Did shaq get in wades way when wade drove to the basket, i mean shaq camps out under the rim more than most centers. Kaman could rebound well, defend fairly well, and if rose isnt in the game or if the jumpshots arent falling, kaman can actually post guys up. I fail to see how having a legit post presence in the form that kaman will provide hurts this team. Just watching aaron gray makes me wonder, ‘what if we had someone that did that but at an all star level’ and i think kaman could be that guy.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Dec 28, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same
concerns as Sports2, but you made good counter-arguments there. At this point, anyone we get would be an upgrade, it doesn’t matter if he gets in the way or not.
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by NormVanBeer on Dec 28, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True that.
Still, they look to be very similar rebounders at this point.
It’s probably not Rose per se. I was thinking back to the dissension and dismissal of Deng posting up earlier in the season because coach smartypants wants to keep the lane open for the guards.
Maybe VDN is willing to compromise for Gray but not Deng. I dunno.
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by Sports2 on Dec 28, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
if there are any numbers to make this confirmation or not but I would have to think that Gray has to have a higher success rate of scoring than Deng in the paint. I see what you mean though.
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by NormVanBeer on Dec 29, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this would be even more of a non-issue
under a real coach & offensive system – one where you know, you run different plays, and guys do different things and go to different places at different times
by reprisal on Dec 28, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whoah whoah whoah whoah whoah
thats wayyyyy to confusing
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by chibullsfan03 on Dec 28, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

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