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NEW ORLEANS - The trade chatter surrounding Brad Miller continues, as well it should.

He's atop the list of most likely Kings next to go, and league sources continue to indicate that the Kings are officially engaged and somewhat motivated on the trade front.

The latest Miller report to pop up comes from ESPN's Marc Stein, who says Charlotte is offering former King Gerald Wallace in return for Miller. While Wallace is available for the right player in return, I'm told from a source close to the Bobcats that Miller does not fit that bill if it's up to Larry Brown.

The Bobcats' coach always has had major influence on personnel from his coaching seat, and he took that job in part because he knew he would have the ear of Charlotte exec Michael Jordan. But the question is whether Jordan's virtual status of "absentee GM," as he was referred to in this Chicago Sun-Times piece, means Brown's voice isn't being heard quite as much by the actual general manager, Rod Higgins. If it's up to Brown, though, he wants a more traditional big who can bang and do damage in the post. On the other side, the Kings aren't looking to take on the $38 million remaining over the next four seasons on Wallace's contract when wing players are far from a problem on their roster.

I'd be more inclined to keep an eye on the Chicago situation in which Miller could go there and the Kings likely would have their eyes on Drew Gooden, Joakim Noah, and perhaps Tyrus Thomas. The Bulls would have to send a few players the Kings' way, as Gooden's expiring deal is worth $7.1 million and Miller is making just shy of $11.4 million this season and $12.2 million in the final year of his deal next season.

A few tidbits to remember ...

* Gooden has been on the Kings' radar since he was hanging with the Maloofs two summers ago. He was the player offered in the Mike Bibby talks with Cleveland, a clear sign that Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie and vice president Wayne Cooper saw him as a decent fit in Sacramento. Gooden wasn't the hangup in those talks.

* Petrie badly wanted Joakim Noah in the 2007 draft, and the second-year player's struggles likely have done nothing to deter the exec who isn't quick to change his opinion of players just because things don't look so good from the outside looking in. Noah would give the Kings another young big to develop and hope he helps with their futile frontcourt.

* While Miller isn't as motivated this season as he was last, he still is a Petrie guy. And when you're a Petrie guy, that means he will try to make a move that is mutually beneficial for his team and the player. Chicago qualifies. While Miller has said he would prefer to retire in his home state of Indiana with the Pacers, he spent two seasons with the Bulls and Chi-town is only a three-hour drive from his home in Kendallville, Ind.

* Lest you forget, the Kings added a player to their front-office team last week, when former Kevin Martin agent and attorney Jason Levien officially began as assistant general manager/team counsel. As a quick side note, I'm told he was given the former office of fired coach Reggie Theus.

It would seem safe to say that the potential for communication between the two clubs has never been better, since just last summer Levien was successfully negotiating Luol Deng's six-year, $71 million deal with the Bulls in which he dealt directly with Chicago owner Jerry Reinsdorf. - Sam Amick

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I don't know whether to like this read or not

1) I can’t help but be happy about all the juicy tidbits.

I didn’t know Noah was a guy the Kings wanted so bad in the draft. Makes you wonder if Pax was maybe close to pulling off some sort deal similar to the year before in which he traded Aldridge for Tyrus and Victor.

2) Do the Bulls have anyone on the block with Gerald Wallace type talent? We may be outta out league here but if they want an expiring deal like Gooden’s, then we’re in business.

by Option27 on Dec 21, 2008 12:13 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, kinda interesting

But I don’t think Paxson viewed Noah and Hawes as equal, just like the Kings probably didn’t.

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by tyger1147 on Dec 21, 2008 12:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Wallace than Deng

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by Illini15 on Dec 21, 2008 1:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree man

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by Belize on Dec 21, 2008 3:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about Wallace + filler for Deng?

I’d do that in a second

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by Illini15 on Dec 21, 2008 3:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SOLD!

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by Belize on Dec 21, 2008 3:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I traded Deng for Wallace on 2K9.

Wallace would be a great swap because now you can play him at the 2 or 3. Plus he plays defense I would think he would fit with Rose. Hope Pax thinks so.

I feel like the Bulls have been rebuilding for like 10 years......... oh wait they have!

by ImmanuelKant on Dec 21, 2008 5:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think wallace could struggle with rose

the man can’t shoot. and he’s not really a 2, he shoots under 30% career on 3 pointers. that’s worse than larry hughes (who, actually has not shot worse than 33% for the season save for his career year, actually, since the 02-03 season).

wallace is a slasher, and we’ve been clearing the lane for rose. i think wallace could have similar problems than deng does in getting to the right place, especially cause he can’t shoot. luol’s struggling right now, but he still needs to find his way in the offense. he’s missing shit he should right now.

i admit i haven’t watched him really (esp cause he was out during our game against them), but his numbers are hardly better than dengs (in 4 more mpg), and he’s a few years older.

by Jaina on Dec 21, 2008 6:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmmm...

your points are great. i still like Wallace tho =P

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by Belize on Dec 21, 2008 7:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i've got no problem with wallace at all

i just don’t think he’d be an upgrade to deng in the current situation for the reasons i mentioned.

by Jaina on Dec 21, 2008 9:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

er,

he’s missing shit he shouldn’t right now.

by Jaina on Dec 21, 2008 9:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

Wallace is older. Those bevy of concussions are a real threat to end his career. He can’t shoot the 3. He can hardly shoot at all.

I think his rewards only come through great expense of risk that will lead to his body breaking down sooner rather than later.

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by NBA Observer on Dec 22, 2008 9:12 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ths trade should be done yeaterday!

It really is the perfect deal for the Bulls. I’m not saying Miller is gonna bring us a championship, but without question he’ll be a huge help. His contract expires just in time for 2010, it’s just set up perfectly for Pax to get the damn thing done.

by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 21, 2008 1:10 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what trade?

Gooden and Thomas/Noah for Miller?

That trade isn’t that good. They’d be dealing a young big just for a shuffling-of-deckchairs move. And who cares if he expires in 2010 if Gooden expires in 2009.

And it kills the chance to resign Gordon (unless Hinrich or Noc is dumped for expirings)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2008 1:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Assuming we can trade either Hinrich or Noc,

like you pointed out, it absolutely should be done. I never specified which players, I was more commenting that i’d just like to get him here period. But, with that being said, I would give up Tyrus and Gooden in about 2 seconds. Probably wouldn’t give up Noah either, but to respond to Illini’s comments as well, Miller wouldn’t be a rental. We’d have him for a year and a half, that’s more than just a rental. Tyrus probably won’t be here by then anyway. It would probably be better if we can swing something with just Drew’s expiring contract and a protected first round pick, but Miller would be a good addition.

by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 21, 2008 1:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a rental considering the Bull should be looking and planning further down the road...

…than this year and next. That’s for sure. THe only players on the team right now that aren’t on rental contracts are Rose, Deng, Hinrich and Nocioni.

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by tyger1147 on Dec 21, 2008 3:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miller and his contract would be an asset going forward.

He could help you this year on the court and be a valuable trade piece as an expiring contract next year. I want another great player in here as much as the next guy, but I don’t think it’s happening this year.

by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 21, 2008 4:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why would we give up Noah for Brad Miller?

Gooden + Thabo + filler or whatever is great, but I’d be pissed if we trade Noah or Tyrus for a rental player like Miller.

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by Illini15 on Dec 21, 2008 1:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly how I feel about it

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2008 1:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

i think if we could get it done with gooden + thabo, that’d be great. if we’re including noah we gotta get something back better than miller.

by Jaina on Dec 21, 2008 2:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd rather

let Drew Gooden expire as a Bull

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by tyrus4prez on Dec 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

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by Sports2 on Dec 21, 2008 3:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol @ "expire"

Like bad milk. HA!

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by Belize on Dec 21, 2008 3:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry

meant to respond to illini

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Dec 21, 2008 3:04 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am surprised the Kings were so high on Noah.

But, why not give them what they want? We could offer Gooden, Noah and Simmons for Miller and Hawes…Miller is rental, Hawes is the future and we get to keep Thomas. The deal works, though there may be an issue with the Luxury Tax.

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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 4:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think they'd give up Hawes?

This would be sweet. I think TT/Hawes would be a better combination than TT/Noah for the future.

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by Illini15 on Dec 21, 2008 4:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think they'd give up Hawes

if they’re getting back Noah.

We could even do a Noc for Thomas swap in the deal as well to get some 2010 expiring cash we can then use to acquire an 08-09 expiring contract.

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by NBA Observer on Dec 22, 2008 9:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just because they liked Noah better in the draft?

they seem to have done O.K. with Hawes, and he’s a couple years younger.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 10:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

they have now a year of work they can look at. I don’t think there view on both players will be the same. Hawes knows there system and is playing better. No way they trade Hawes for Noah.

by J Theory on Dec 23, 2008 9:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why would they trade Hawes?

Their goal is to built a young frontcourt, adding Noah in the Hawes/Thompson mix. And, if Petrie was so high on Noah, why didn’t he try to trade picks with Paxson in 2007?

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2008 5:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well we cant be sure he didnt try to trade picks

But I agree this trade clearly doesnt make a lot of sense for them…
and it would put us into the tax…pending a salary dump of course

by reprisal on Dec 21, 2008 5:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They would only trade Hawes...

To get Noah. With Noah, Thompson and Williams they would have plenty of youth in their frontcourt…

The bigger question to me is why would the Bulls trade Noah or Thomas as suggested in the original post? I tried to answer that question by making a leap that Hawes might someday be better than Noah, though I doubt Pax feels that way, or else he would have drafted Hawes when he had the chance.

There are several problems with trading multiple pieces with the Kings, because outside of the nearly impossible to move Martin and Garcia, the only other players that are even a little appealing are Hawes and Miller…If they are looking to trade Miller for Gooden, then the Bulls have to add another player for salary purposes, but then lose the talent and salary end of the deal for what essentially amounts to a rental. We need to find a third team to get involved…the Wizards perhaps? Hughes? I dunno…

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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 6:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shelden Williams?

ha!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2008 7:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's not to like?

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by section214 on Dec 21, 2008 8:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

lol

We could take back Williams to get some more expiring cash for Gordon.

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by NBA Observer on Dec 22, 2008 9:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would trade Noah straight-up for Hawes.

He has more offensive upside to go along with Rose and I think he’ll be at least as good as Noah, in total. Of course, I still have some semblance of “belief” in Thomas. I like Rose-Deng-Thomas-Hawes going forward.

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by tyger1147 on Dec 22, 2008 9:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wha? Huh?

I think they’d be going for the “We have a lot of good, young bigs we’re going to develop” thing.

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by tyger1147 on Dec 22, 2008 9:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trading

pooh for pooh.

I feel like the Bulls have been rebuilding for like 10 years......... oh wait they have!

by ImmanuelKant on Dec 21, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a tough call

If the Bulls think that Noah is lazy and lacks the work ethic to succeed at this level, then by all means, do the trade. If they think that this summer was an aberration, then they shouldn’t.

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by Big D on Dec 21, 2008 6:21 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

From Sacramento

The Kings have no interest in trading any of their youth unless a viable star comes back as part of the package. Geoff Petrie may have wanted Noah last year, but as of this moment he would not deal Hawes for Noah.

If the Kings can’t get young potential talent or a pick for Miller they’ll hold onto him. He’s a good teammate and would have no problem adjusting to fewer minutes as Hawes and Jason Thompson develop. I also do not believe that the Kings have any interest in taking on longer term contracts (Hinrich, Nocioni, etc.).

It’s interesting how this stuff works – we bash Miller at StR but don’t want to give him away for nothing, while you guys bash T2 and Noah here but don’t want to give them away for nothing.

It all boils down to whether you think that Miller gets you into the playoffs, and is that worth dealing Tyrus Thomas. The Kings are not going anywhere this year either way, so it’s make moves for the future or don’t make the move. Unless they thought that trading Miller for expiring gave them the lead dog position for Carlos Boozer next summer, I just don’t see them dealing Miller for anything less than a prospect.

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by section214 on Dec 21, 2008 6:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear you

but Im pretty sure everyone here will flip out if we traded T2 for Miller

by reprisal on Dec 21, 2008 6:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, you'll see below my trade proposal, and it doesn't include Tyrus or Nocioni

Just my opinion, but why would you want Tyrus? You’re looking good with Jason Thompson, and you’re looking good with Hawes. You’ve got Donte Green who probably projects as the same type of 3/4 player as Tyrus. I just don’t see how he makes a lot of sense to you guys. Youth is nice, but overloading a team with a bunch of young guys up front is almost always a recipe for lots of losing. Something you know already.

Something you may not realize is it’s also a recipe for dissension, competition and anger between these guys. All counterproductive.

You’re better off if you just limit your youth to manageable numbers so you can actually develop them well. Keep Moore as your veteran backup center. Bring in Gooden as your veteran PF. Nocioni is your backup 3/4 and shooter, something your team doesn’t have now. The trade I proposed (Gooden, Noc, Simmons for Miller and Shelden) would cut a couple million in salary, potentially, and give you two players that will actually play for you in exchange for one.

Seems reasonable to me.

And

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by Sports2 on Dec 21, 2008 6:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Kings need to take Nocioni

I’ve been looking at the salaries, and the biggest obstacle I see as far as the Bulls is that they almost have to add Tyrus or a more highly paid player to avoid the LT. Miller makes $11.375M. Gooden only makes $7.15M. Even adding Simmons as filler would still create a net increase to our salary that would put us over the luxury tax.

Especially if we give up Gooden, I don’t know if we can afford to move Thomas or Noah. That just doesn’t make much sense to me to do. I’d be willing to trade Tyrus under the right circs, but I don’t think trading him away when we’re moving the guy in front him makes a lot of sense. What would work financially (this season) for the Bulls would be something along the lines of:

Bulls send: Gooden, Nocioni, Simmons
Bulls get: Miller and Shelden Williams

That actually takes $2M off our cap this year, which would facilitate another trade this season, and at least give us some breathing room.

Next year it creates a net increase of $4.75M to our guaranteed salary, which means you can kiss Gordon goodbye without a replacement (because we’ll be that close to the LT in all likelihood) unless we manage another salary-shedding trade (of Hughes or Hinrich, I guess). So that’s a bit of a problem, but it is a workable one. I do think Miller is a slight upgrade to Gooden, and we lock him in for another year.

I’m also one of the few folks besides Candice Parker, I guess, who wouldn’t mind seeing what Shelden Williams has to offer.

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by Sports2 on Dec 21, 2008 6:36 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meh

With all due respect to Candace Parker, Shelden Williams is trash. And I want nothing to do with a deal that pretty much locks the end of BG’s days around here.

Unless Pax can snap his fingers and somehow get rid of Kirk or Hughes before the deadline I say no to this.

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by NormVanBeer on Dec 21, 2008 6:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm mostly inclined to agree

But it does seem possible that we could do something like dump Hughes and recover some of that money now. The Knicks are really slumping without an SG and Hughes would seem to fit the bill there. I’m pretty sure I’d do Hughes for Malik Allen’s expiring deal and Jerome James. That’d get us back to where we need to be with respect to the luxury tax.

But yeah, I’d want to have both deals lined up at the same time.

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by Sports2 on Dec 21, 2008 7:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shelden can't score a lick

But he was a two or three time defensive player of the year in college. I haven’t seen much of him in the pros, but I’d guess he’d be our best interior defender.

His career numbers per 36 numbers are solid: 10.0 rebounds, 1.2 steals, 1.0 blocks. He won’t live up to his #5 overall selection, but he could be PJ Brown.

by YaoPau on Dec 23, 2008 1:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"I haven’t seen much of him in the pros, but I’d guess he’d be our best interior defender."

that’s it, I’m shutting down this fucking blog.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 23, 2008 1:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow.

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by tyger1147 on Dec 23, 2008 3:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shutting it down!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 23, 2008 3:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Nocioni's contract doesn't work

as the Kings are trying to shed contract, not take it on. Gerald Wallace would be a much better option for the Kings than Nocioni.

As far as loading up on too much youth, you need the young chips if you are going to make a deal down the line. The Bulls could have done that with Memphis and Gasol but chose not to, which subsequently brought on the recipe that you mentioned above. Petrie did this earlier in the decade when he dealt Scot Pollard and Hedo Turkoglu for Miller. You amass young talent and then make your deal. Or you eventually give up and deal a guy for expiring contract (see Bibby, Mike).

Bottom line, the Kings are not that desperate to unload Miller or that enamored of Nocioni or Hinrich to make that kind of deal. Miller is not a malcontent, and he is still the Kings best big night in and night out. We want him gone as a step towards the future, nothing less. Otherwise, he can stay in Sac., with his contract expiring in time for 2010.

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by section214 on Dec 21, 2008 7:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, this is certainly disheartening if you're a Bulls fan.

Thanks, section :(

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by Illini15 on Dec 21, 2008 7:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I am also a Bulls fan

So I get twice the disheartening at half the price!

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by section214 on Dec 21, 2008 8:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bulls fan, too? Eh?

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by Illini15 on Dec 21, 2008 8:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lived in Chicago for two glorious years

Even if they were the two years that Jordan was retired (‘93-94) – guess the town wasn’t big enough for both of us. I still have a lot of good friends there, so I adopted the Bulls a long time ago as my Eastern Conference team (and I’m old enough and know them well enough to recall Norm Van Lier, Jerry Sloan, Chet Walker and Bob Love, so no bandwagon jumper am I).

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by section214 on Dec 21, 2008 10:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 way

Bring in the Bobcats. Bobcats end up with Noc. Kings end up with Wallace, Gooden. Bulls end up with Miller and Shelden Williams.

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by NBA Observer on Dec 22, 2008 9:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

everyone wins

even Larry Brown (in his mind)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 10:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Done!

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by section214 on Dec 23, 2008 12:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One other three way

might involve Portland…with the Kings getting both Sergio Rodriguez and Gooden.

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by MPG on Dec 23, 2008 12:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Done!

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by section214 on Dec 23, 2008 12:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The word from NBA insider Sam Smith.
I’ve heard the Bulls have no interest in Miller, and if you think about it, he basically makes no sense for where the team is now. The Bulls aren’t playing for a championship this season or next. So what’s the point of picking up a 32-year-old center on the decline for one or more of their young players? To win three more games this season? Maybe.

-Sam Smith

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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 22, 2008 10:31 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man

I would take just about anything for Hinrich or Noc

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by tyrus4prez on Dec 22, 2008 10:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baron Davis?

Read more of Sam.

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by NBA Observer on Dec 22, 2008 10:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, sure.

If it’s for Thomas, Noah or Deng, I agree. But for Hinrich or Nocioni or Hughes or Gray or maybe Gooden… I don’t see the problem. And I think most reasonable proposals are of the latter, not the former. Which of course, aren’t as “reasonable” for Sacramento.

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by tyger1147 on Dec 22, 2008 10:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

The "maybe" Gooden thing...

…refers to using expiring salary that could be used to re-sign Gordon.

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by tyger1147 on Dec 22, 2008 11:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a few more wins could be a few higher seeds in this conference :)

but yeah, what Tyger said. Nobody’s hoping the Bulls trade youth for Miller.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 11:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and the Kings are delusional if they think they're getting youth for him

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 12:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, maybe like Thabo-level youth

Or Ced Simmons

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 12:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said

Gooden + Thabo + filler makes the best sense IMO.

Just to get Thabo for Miller seems like a pretty solid deal for them, but apparently they’d just rather him expire!!!!1111

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 12:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, all of those guys "expire", too.

So, yeah, it might be okay for them.

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by tyger1147 on Dec 22, 2008 1:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was referring to

the Kings fan who was posting here yesterday, saying that they’d rather let Miller expire in 2010 than trade him for anyone but young bigs, basically.

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 2:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know.

I guess Thabo isn’t a big but is young. Gray could be the “filler”. They’ll have lesser players than with Miller but have some (minimal) potential with Sefolosha and Gray… while not hurting any cap room past Miller’s contract, but paying significantly less next year.

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by tyger1147 on Dec 22, 2008 3:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'd hope this would work.

Gooden + Sef for Miller would be really sweet from both a team upgrade AND a financial standpoint. Get ’er done, Pax.

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 3:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hows this good financial?

not saying it isnt worth doing, but we add salary and lose expiring.

by reprisal on Dec 22, 2008 3:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brad Miller's contract expires in 2010

If the Bulls keep Larry Hughes, that gives them close to 25 million dollars in free cap space in the offseason. More than enough to hand out one max contract to a superstar FA, and reasonably extend Tyrus Thomas.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 22, 2008 4:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bingo

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 4:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well take your pick

7 million coming off the book this year, or 25 in 2010, with the chance of adding a franchise-altering player? The only reason you want cap space at the end of this season is to re-sign Gordon, and frankly I don’t think he’s coming back here.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 22, 2008 5:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its not mutually exclusive

It’d be 7 million this year, 12 million next year…and they can decline Thabo’s 2010 option before next year if they want’d.

If they don’t resign BG they could fill his roster spot w/ a league min and save 7-8 mil vs what theyd be giving brad miller. Any type of one year deal for that roster spot and you have as much cap space in 2010

Point is, you have more flexibility with out him to do any number of things, making it a net loss financially, but not prohibitively bad.

by reprisal on Dec 22, 2008 5:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, they'd be better.

And they should still be trying to trade Hinrich or Nocioni for expiring contracts.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Dec 22, 2008 6:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not exactly.

Drew Gooden expires in 2009 and the team has an option for Sefolosha for 2010. This deal actually costs the Bulls nearly $10M next season. That is $10M that could be used to resign Gordon.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 22, 2008 7:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not good

We have to have another deal on the table to move Noc or Hinrich for either expiring money or much less money in return to free space for Gordon.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Dec 22, 2008 4:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

It does not have to be a young big -

just young. And it’s not me saying it – it’s the Kings. Unlike Bibby (salary tax implications) and Artest (Ron being Ron), the KIngs do not have to move Miller, and they won’t unless they get something that makes them potentially better in the future, without taking on long term contract. Miller is a good teammate and teacher for Hawes and Thompson. The Kings will make Miller available, but they won’t give him away.

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by section214 on Dec 23, 2008 12:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But we need Thabo as our Small Forward,

for when Deng gets injured!

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by Prevenge on Dec 29, 2008 12:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone mind reccing this?

I want Brad Miller talk at the forefront of our minds :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 12:34 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed.

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 12:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sweeeeeeet.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 1:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know this season is a lost cause...

If we want Brad Miller at the forefront of anything.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 22, 2008 1:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really

A potential trade for an solid big man (something the Bulls haven’t had in years) says nothing about a lost season.

Just good talk

by Option27 on Dec 22, 2008 1:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

Miller>any big man we have right now, and expires in 2010. Another solid offensive option for Rose to pass to, they could actually run the pick and pop with some success.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 22, 2008 2:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huh?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 2:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing like an overpaid aging big man...

To add an $12M to our cap number next summer before expiring in 2010, to take minutes from Noah and Thomas and to share his weed with Noah.

Why do you want to keep this lumbering retread on the forefront of your minds? It has been discussed here…and Miller is a rental…I would prefer to keep our trade assets for someone who could actually play with the Bulls and Rose in the future.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 23, 2008 8:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because Gooden, Sefolosha, Nocioni and Simmons

are great assets for sure.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Dec 23, 2008 8:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read here recently that it could get us Chris Bosh!

And he’s never been caught smoking weed!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 23, 2008 9:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but he made that video to try to get into the All Star game last year

That’s clearly the behavior of someone who thinks far too highly of themselves. Ben Gordon is this team’s megalomaniac and one’s enough

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by snley on Dec 23, 2008 8:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have not read anywhere

That Bosh is available…

Jermaine ONeal is rumored to be on the block though…but he is another overpaid rental player…but at least he does not have the off the court issues of being suspended by the NBA three times for drug abuse.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 24, 2008 12:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was a joke

in reference to this

Anyway, do you really equate weed as ‘drug abuse’? It’d be a lonely league. I hope Paxson isn’t THAT hung up on character, to be honest I’d rather see Brad Miller’s drug abuse than Chris Duhon’s.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2008 10:12 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pax hired Skiles

who was arrested for cocaine and marijuana possession, and convicted of the latter. Skiles also spent time in jail twice for DUI and parole violation.

by Granny Waiters on Dec 24, 2008 10:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I'm waiting for the Raptors firesale to begin

This season has been a big disappointment and this is the same season where the Raptors were supposed to get out early, secure a division lead, and carry that into a home court advantage seed in for the EC playoffs. They got out early, but they have completely dropped off the map at this point.

Bosh is the one piece that can yield some talent now and future lottery picks.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Dec 24, 2008 10:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd assume they'd go the other way

and sell out any cap flexibility to get on track. I think that’s the right way to do it too, if they lose Bosh the franchise is screwed for several years.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2008 10:47 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two expiring contracts...

With a big guard on a rookie contract…and Noc.

If nothing else, the expiring contracts could bring back more than additional the additional salry of a rental player…

For example, the Nuggets got Billups for an expiring contract and the Lakers got Gasol for an expiring contract.

I would hold out for more…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 24, 2008 12:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

umm.... yeah

Drew Gooden and change could have netted you Billups. Riiiiight. And that Gasol trade is happening sometime soon. I think there’s a very,very-good disgruntled player on the Grizz right now. Or maybe it’s the Thunder. Or another extremely cheap player.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Dec 24, 2008 9:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cheap team

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Dec 24, 2008 9:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well sure, and then they hold out too long

and get neither a rental nor a long-term fit.

They aren’t going to find that guy any time soon, I don’t think. First is clearing out some crud and figuring out which young guys are worth keeping. I really think Miller helps Noah/Thomas more than Drew Gooden. And then you have the big expiring for next season.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2008 10:14 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

brad and drew have similar production, and i’d rather have those minutes be at the 5 spot. gooden playing center does not make me feel good. neither does having gray be there. that way we’d have miller and noah be the primary 5’s, eliminating the need for gray except for certain matchups. it’d balance out our roster much more to have a true big man

by Jaina on Dec 24, 2008 10:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops didn't finish my thought

true big man filling in some decent minutes.

by Jaina on Dec 24, 2008 10:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well he's no lumbering young talent

like Aaron Gray, sure.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 23, 2008 8:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The same people on this forum

saying to keep Noah and Thomas are the same ones that are talking smack about them in other forums. People just want to disagree just to disagree. VDN needs to start Thomas, Noah and keep them in the game for at least 28 minutes. VDN keeps playing guys that are not gonna be with the Bulls within the next couple years and we are never going to develope T & N. I could see the Bulls trading Thomas and Noah, they get playing time and become allstars.

Not really but you never know.

by PricanStar on Dec 22, 2008 1:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fan the flames
I’ll be shocked if [the Bulls] don’t land Brad Miller.

Hoopsworld (not poopsworld Joel Brigham). (swiped from the RealGM board)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So Joel Brigham is actually known as (remotely) reliable?

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 2:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait, I think I read that wrong.

Joel Brigham = poopsworld. Everyone else on there = hoopsworld? :-p

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 2:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh, basically

Brigham was the one throwing up all that crap over the summer. I think he’s pretty much poop.

I can’t say the other guys (and I think Bill Ingram is the head guy there) are completely vouchable…just haven’t dismissed them, is all.

They have connections to IMG so their Bulls sources may be pretty good.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 2:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weird that Sam Smith seems to think the opposite, though.

But it’s not like he’s always the beacon of reliability either.

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 2:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ya but he was talking about trading young players for him

So hopefully he is right about not doing that and Hoopsworld is right about us getting him.

by reprisal on Dec 22, 2008 3:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm hoping this is the case as well.

But if the young players are Thabo and Gray, then that’s cool with me.

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 3:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or Simmons!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 22, 2008 3:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, that guy.

I will say, though…he looked pretty decent the other night!

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by Illini15 on Dec 22, 2008 3:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In his

two minutes of gametime.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Dec 29, 2008 12:19 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just dont know.

Are the Bulls’ big guys bad? or are they just maturing?

Brad Miller has hit his ceiling, and he is only attractive to the bulls because he is big (and faster than Gray.)

And although I would like to get rid of Nocioni, he has been playing better than Deng.

i have no opinion.

by chicago-homesick-blues on Dec 23, 2008 10:13 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

i don’t think they’re bad, they’re just still inconsistent. and it would be nice to have a consistent center, cause gooden isn’t consistent either and he’s certainly not a center.

plus hopefully by the time miller’s contract is up, our young guys will be a bit better.

by Jaina on Dec 23, 2008 10:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm still holding out for Noah

for a few reasons. 1) he was probably our MVP from last season, 2) his numbers this year are just as good as last year, even though it seems he’s doing much worse, and 3) he fucked around in his freshman year of college and barely saw the floor. He worked on his game relentlessly at Rucker Park that offseason and became the Tournament MVP the next year. Maybe he lights a fire under his ass after getting re-benched this season.

I’m less hopeful for Tyrus. Three years into the league and he still tries to take the ball coast to coast, shoot 18 footers he can’t make consistently, and go for the block when holding his ground is the right play. He shows promise, but all his promise revolves around his ability to jump high. Wow, he just jumped really high! Did you see how high he jumped? And it makes people forget that he’s made no improvements to his game, skill-wise or mentally, since he joined the league.

by YaoPau on Dec 23, 2008 1:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sure Tyrus has improved some skills

his FT shooting, for one.

You can still call him stupid though.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 23, 2008 1:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Chad Ford agrees . . . .
Brad Miller (Sacramento): Chad, my bags are packed and my shotgun is in the trunk, where am I headed?

Chad Ford: The Kings are going nowhere and Miller still has some size and scoring ability. The Bulls have always seemed like the most legit destination. They need the size and have a few pieces to spare. I think you’re gone by the trade deadline.
Josh (Los Angeles, CA): Isn’t a younger big like Kaman a better fit for Chicago, can a deal be made?

Chad Ford: Yes, but Kaman will cost the Bulls something I’m not sure they’re ready to give up — a young guy like Joakim Noah or Tyrus Thomas. Miller won’t fetch as steep a price, maybe just Drew Gooden and change.

Link

by Option27 on Dec 23, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Drew Gooden and change"

Aaron Gray: ‘change’ we can believe in

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 23, 2008 1:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about Marcus Camby?

Kaman’s overrated. A career 14.0 PER and .533 TS% player isn’t one we should make a centerpiece of our team. Even his breakout year last year (17.5 PER, .538 TS%) isn’t worth what we’d give up in future cap flexibility.

Brad Miller’s career numbers (18.1 PER, .567 TS%) trump Kaman’s, but Petrie’s a good GM, and Miller isn’t the defensive stalwart we desperately need.

Marcus Camby is having the best season of his career so far (21.1 PER, .560 TS). Like Miller, he has a two year contract. But he’s also a defensive POY. And though Camby won’t help us much in pick-and-pop situations (37.7, 37.1% jumpshot s the past two years), we don’t want Miller shooting jumpers either (43.9, 40.6%).

Plus, Camby could come cheap. With Randolph and Kaman inside, Camby’s expendable. Also, with Baron Davis and Zach Randolph in the fold long term, the Clippers are in a position to trade Camby for a long-term contract. Camby and Mardy Collins for Hinrich?

by YaoPau on Dec 23, 2008 2:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Clipper think Camby is the perfect fit next to Randolph

They like him a lot, which is why Kaman is the subject of trade rumors.

by Option27 on Dec 23, 2008 2:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clips are committed beyond the Summer of 2010

So offers should include contracts like Noc’s or Hinrich’s, but to move one there we’ll have to give up a young chip. That’s probably Noah.

I think the Clips will trade Camby, but you’ll have to give them some young talent. I like this.

Clips get
Noc, Noah, Gray

Bulls get
Camby, DeAndre Jordan, Paul Davis.

The big problem is Camby is on the tail end of his career. Therefore, he’ll just be helping us to develop Rose into the star and then we’ll need another center to take over. Is that Jordan? Highly unlikely, but perhaps he’s a piece we can use to trade to acquire our next center.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Dec 24, 2008 10:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yet another Bulls Beat Writer rejects the idea of Miller to the Bulls.
Miller is available but I haven’t heard the Bulls express much interest thus far. The feeling is if they do go after a big man, it will be the Clippers’ Chris Kaman, who reportedly still isn’t being shopped.

KC Johnson

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 26, 2008 8:45 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nuts.

Though I feel OK on the other side of the argument if those opposing it are Smith, KC, and the Aaron Gray fan club.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 26, 2008 11:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*those opposing the idea, I mean

as far as opposing the possibility of it happening…well, Pax is probably on vacation, so I don’t doubt their sources.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 26, 2008 11:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am all for getting Brad Miller

IF a player with an over-valued contract that should not be in the Bulls long-term plans is included (e.g. Hinrich or Nocioni). Or of course, Larry Hughes or Drew Gooden.

Getting Miller would likely put Aaron Gray back in the role he is best fitted for – low cost practice player and a injury and foul trouble backup.

by Granny Waiters on Dec 26, 2008 2:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

just came in here to post that.

bummer.

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by Illini15 on Dec 26, 2008 12:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With all seriousness, I would do this trade

Deng + Nocioni for Kaman, Jason Hart and Ricky Davis.

We get salary cap relief, keep open our 2010 option, and trade small for big. We can pick up a SF in a number of ways if we so chose.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Dec 27, 2008 10:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wallace would foreclose 2010, but we could probably get him for Larry Hughes

I think I’d be more interested in trading Hinrich to the Blazers for Batum or Outlaw and change.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Dec 28, 2008 10:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bulls have almost no interest (in Miller) at this moment.

From the Sacramento Bee

The thing about Miller is that – based on conversations with executives, coaches and agents around the league – the interest in him continues to be lukewarm. For all the time I spent looking at the possibilities with Chicago, I left out the part about the Bulls having almost no interest at this moment.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 29, 2008 10:32 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

once again, you ruin my morning.

I think Paxson is starting to have no interest in GMing

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2008 10:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

um, not that I think you made up a quote

to continue your crusade against evil pot-smokers….

but that link is broken, btw.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2008 10:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha. Its evil redneck gun toting pot smokers...

Sorry…

SacBee Miller update.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 29, 2008 11:03 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damnit...

I wanted to see a Country Mouse Meets City Mouse reinactment with Miller and Noah.

But yeah, every sign I see coming out is basically that if Pax wasn’t secretly abducted months ago:
1. He actually likes and values Nocioni and Hinrich, and isn’t going to trade them.
2. He really doesn’t give much of a rat’s behind about making a move in 2010.
3. His vision of what constitutes building a winning team is… well, hell if I know.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Dec 29, 2008 11:29 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

vision

1. say ‘character’
2. ???
3. championship!

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Forget Who Left for the D, Just Start Playing Some
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Jerel McNeal
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List of 2010 free agents (start choosing)
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Trade idea: Kirk for Rudy
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Iverson to the Bulls in Gordon S/T?!?!
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Hinrich Vs. Gordon
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Could this be Dumar's post-signing-Gordon plan?

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