Larry Hughes' silly contract incentive
OK, I think it's a little bit unlikely we win 49 games, but we've exceeded expectations in this early part of the season. We've had a pretty brutal schedule and are 8-9. If we can go 41-24 over the remaining games, we'll end up 49-33.
And what happens if we win 49 games?
Larry Hughes gets $2M I think. And the Bulls pay the Luxury Tax.

Hughes arguably had his best playoff performance since scoring 33 points in Game 5 of the Wizards' first-round series against the Chicago Bulls in 2005. It was the type of show the Cavaliers -- and perhaps that angry fan -- expected from Hughes when he bolted Washington that summer to sign a five-year, $60 million contract with the team. (The contract could be worth up to $70 million with easily attainable incentives; Hughes got a $2 million bonus this season because Cleveland won at least 49 games.)
So he's got $10M in total incentives, with $2M being earned in a given year. So I'd guess it's the same sort of incentive for each year, and that if the Bulls win 49 or more games, they'll have to pay him another $2M.
So what, you say? Jerry Reinsdorf is probably interested in this because if the Bulls have to pay out that additional $2M, they'll be over the luxury tax threshold. So they'll have to pay $2M to Hughes, about $2M to the league in luxury tax fees, and they won't get a share of the tax revenues collected against other teams (which has historically been another couple million). At the moment, it looks like teams will pay, in total, about $90-100M in tax, which amounts to $4M to $4.5M per team. The league has the option to not distribute all of this money back to the teams, but it's a big chunk of money.
So in total, winning more than 49 games and having Hughes on the roster could result in an additional $8M expense for the Bulls. That's a lot of freaking money. More than half the teams in the league, for example, claim as operating income. And while the Bulls made about $58M after their basic expenses last year, $8M isn't exactly a drop in the bucket.
So what does this mean for those of us who mostly care about the on-court product? I dunno, but I find it interesting as an example of how poorly structured incentives (I wonder what Deng's are) can create perverse outcomes.
Suppose, for example, it looks like the Bulls are going to be close to 49 wins or more as the trade deadline approaches. Do the Bulls just suck it up? Do they make a trade they know will make them worse in the short run? How hard do they work to trade Hughes? If they don't make a trade, do they start "resting" their starters and try to lose their last few games?
And how much harder is he to trade? Generally when you trade a guy, the team is taking him on because they want to get better. But if they trade for Hughes and get too much better, they're out a couple million more bucks
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Shows why it's been harder
than everyone believes for Paxson to move Hughes. He might have to just wait until the contract expires.
by J Theory on Dec 2, 2008 1:44 PM CST 0 recs
Realistically
I don’t think this is a problem.
We won’t win 49 games.
by BAB-Bass on Dec 2, 2008 1:47 PM CST 0 recs
Maybe not this year, but I expect them to be around 45 wins next year.
No matter what they do, that should be the minimum expectation.
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 2, 2008 5:42 PM CST
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nice find.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2008 2:02 PM CST 0 recs
I wonder how the contract is structured/worded.
Obviously there is no way to know…but that be an escalating incentive, you know the team wins at least 49 games year one, 52 year two, 55 year three and so on…Or it could have been a one time incentive…its interesting how these contracts are structured…I wish they were made public.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 2, 2008 2:12 PM CST 1 recs
It would certainly be helpful to see the contract itself.
Perhaps it’s written to be Cav-specific, such that his trade to the Bulls nullified it. Etc.
by arjoseph on
Dec 2, 2008 3:49 PM CST
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Are we sure that money applies to the cap?
I thought incentives were determined before the season whether they were attainable for cap purposes.
by CJ Bulls on Dec 2, 2008 2:14 PM CST 0 recs
ah, that's right. (?)
I believe they’re determined as ‘likely’ or not?
But that may be only for when calculating cap figure for the upcoming season. The Luxury Tax is calculated after the season, so there’s no need to speculate on incentives.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Dec 2, 2008 2:24 PM CST
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Yes
For cap purposes, only likely to be earned incentives count. Since the Bulls didn’t win 49 games, I’d guess Hughes’ incentive is considered unlikely.
However, all incentives actually paid count when determining the luxury tax:
When determining the amount of tax a team owes, the league uses its team salary (see question number 14) on the date of their last regular season game (i.e., if a player is traded away before the end of the season, then none of his salary is taxed), with the following adjustments:
* Any “unlikely bonuses” (see question number 61) that were actually earned are added to the team salary.
* Any “likely bonuses” (see question number 61) that were not earned are subtracted from the team salary.
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by Sports2 on
Dec 2, 2008 2:31 PM CST
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Since the Bulls didn’t win 49 games last year
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by Sports2 on
Dec 2, 2008 2:31 PM CST
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Here's an article
on Hughes. Tom doesn’t think much of him either. I’d like to know what “the plan” is that Pax and Vinny told him.
by sue369 on Dec 2, 2008 3:39 PM CST 0 recs
Good find, thanks.
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by Illini15 on
Dec 2, 2008 3:58 PM CST
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Is there a pub that Ziller doesn't write for?
This guy is everywhere.
Nice read.
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by NBA Observer on
Dec 2, 2008 4:25 PM CST
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I think the Bulls
Making $58M last year in a godawful year, will attest if they won 49 games and made the playoffs, this would be a nice boost to their revenue line, making Hughes $4M cost not too much a concern for them. Plus having Rose in the playoff hunt in a more favorable matchup with 49 wins should suggest, really will be a boost to not only ticket sales, but Rose Jersey sales and Bulls sales in general.
So i think this is roughly a mute point. A good thought, but for the Bulls corp brass, I think they’d love any chance at best to not only make the playoffs but progress to the 2nd round…..imagine the hype they’d get with a huge expiring contract (Hughes next year) a young stud who improved the team by 16 wins back to where it was 2 years ago) and hopefully by then a nice core with Rose and Deng and hopefully Gordon to build off of.
Also, I don’t think with our backcourt issues and Deng’s play, 49 wins is a possibility, but it is early and our young bigs have talent, they just don’t know how to use it yet…
by majoyenrac on Dec 2, 2008 4:07 PM CST 0 recs
The Chairman signed the Corpse
He has to accept the flies that came with it.
I will pile on if they try to hold the line at 48 wins though. It will be an impossible storyline to defend.
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by NBA Observer on
Dec 2, 2008 4:29 PM CST
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"moot" point, ya mean
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 2, 2008 5:44 PM CST
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you mean "moo point"
cause it’s like a cow’s opinion, doesn’t mean anything.
by The90sBullsRevival on
Dec 2, 2008 6:11 PM CST
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What?
If any business loses $4M, then its not a moot point and is a concern for them.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on
Dec 2, 2008 11:58 PM CST
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They won't lose $4M
They’ll get a better matchup likely in the playoffs and have a better chance to make more $$ in merchandising. Imagine if the addition of Rose gets them back to EC darlings in 1 year…..
It’s not a pure $4M loss…..that’s what I was saying.
That’s what would make it a mute point. But either way it’s very unlikely to happen.
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 7:49 AM CST
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It's the Chairman's fault
He made the deals. He’ll live up to them. We probably won’t hear a peep out of him complaining about any of this.
Sure, he’d rather receive the luxury tax revenue than pay the luxury taxes, but has he ever complained about a deal after he signed up for it?
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by NBA Observer on
Dec 3, 2008 9:24 AM CST
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Just to nit pick, but it'd be about $8M, not $4M
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by Sports2 on
Dec 3, 2008 7:55 AM CST
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If we get to 49 wins the following unlikely things probably have occurred:
1. TT and Noah become good.
2. Hinrich either returns to ’06 form or is traded for a good player
3. Nocioni is traded
4. Aaron Gray sees less than 10 mpg.
5. The DOW hits 10,000 again.
by MuleTrain on Dec 2, 2008 4:13 PM CST 0 recs
Hey leave that Wall St.
jargon at work daytrader – basketball only please!
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by Ugh It Live! on
Dec 2, 2008 4:39 PM CST
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Best way to avoid paying Hughes this bonus is
to give more minutes to Hughes.
by Moses Taylor on Dec 2, 2008 4:53 PM CST 0 recs
Hughes has been playing well.
We cannot discount Hughes’ offensive contribution to the team this season. With Deng yet to show up this season, Hughes’ input has been all the more helpful and necessary.
Hughes has had more of a positive impact this season than Hinrich or Deng. And in light of that, give Hughes some credit.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Dec 2, 2008 5:22 PM CST 0 recs
I can't believe you posted this
Even worse, I can’t believe it’s true.
Hughes has been okay for several games, all in a row.
Lu has been lost.
Kirk hasn’t been that bad, just gone.
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by bennythebull on
Dec 2, 2008 5:30 PM CST
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Not to nit pick...
But he’s shooting 42% overall. That’s not good. He’s shooting 39.5% on 3’s, which isn’t bad. He’s not creating shots for teammates, and is averaging just over 1 assist a game. His PER is the highest it’s been in 3 years. He has a slightly negative +/-, which is better than I would have expected. He’s played too much time at the 3, but part of that was out of necessity with Deng hurt.
Our expectations are so low for him that this level of play is considered not bad. Obviously, his value considering salary is terrible. But he’s not the worst 4th guard out there. (that’s probably the nicest thing you’ll see me say about him; i’ve been all over him since the day we traded for him)
by Moses Taylor on
Dec 2, 2008 5:30 PM CST
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I'm tired
of Luol laying stink bombs int he first quarter. I know it seems VDN wants to get the ball to Luol early to get him going and get him out of his funk, but Luol’s been terrible in the first quarter and really mostly first half much of this year. He’s played better in the 2nd half, but not so much better than he warrants the lead he gave up in the first 2 quarters with poor shot selections, not playing his game and not defending.
Much as it pains me to say this, maybe Larry H should take his spot…..I mean he’s been playing in the offense of late and is playing decent defense too. Deng needs to get his confidence back. Maybe Luol gets the Ben Gordon treatment.
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 7:53 AM CST
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He seems to be getting the Kirk treatment
This isn’t meant to pick on Kirk, just pointing out the similarities. Kirk’s big money contract started, he was playing international ball (which I don’t think is much of an excuse by the way), and he came in looking not very good last year. Just like Deng this year.
But still, I think we need to give Deng at least a few more weeks to see where he’s at. It’s not like Hughes is such an upgrade that we’re really missing anything by doing that.
And if anything, what bugged me about last night was that Deng didn’t get back in the game at the end, or in the OT.
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by Sports2 on
Dec 3, 2008 8:09 AM CST
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What is the deal in Chicago
We give Tyson a contract that he looked like he would definately live up to in 04-05 and he comes in crappy.
We give Kirk that contract and he flounders slightly the next year after the World competition but then when he’s paid his salary really implodes…
We give Deng a contract and suddenly Mr. Consistently good, not bad at anything but not particularly great at anything, just solid all around, can’t do anything consistently….
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 11:06 AM CST
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with a lineup including Rose, Gordon, and Gooden
they do not need Hughes too. and if you’re complaining about shot selection, how is Larry Hughes an answer?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Dec 3, 2008 9:54 AM CST
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I'd rather
Have Hughes play in our system wiht a more cough consistent cough game than have Deng play and throw up even more wild shots that are forced out of the system only to dig ourselves in a hole.
Look Luol’s a better player than Hughes, but right now Deng’s been awful. Give him Gordon treatment off the bench for a few weeks till he finds his legs and his game and then in Jan if it looks like Deng’s back to his former self switch it up again.
Deng is a big reason for our 1st quarter holes…..
Larry in the past 3-4 games is playing within the offense, only taking 1-2 bad shots a game (and he’s making at least 1 of them to boot) and is actually defending a bit like he used to do….
He’s also talking all teammy the past week or so.
Deng needs to get in the doghouse a bit, and needs to re-find his game.
You always complain we should play our best players….well right now the last stretch of games Hughes is warranting a spot as our best current player over the surprisingly off Deng.
Deng’s played poorly in all but 2 games or so he’s played…..
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 11:23 AM CST
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we'll just to have to agree you're wrong
I mean, disagree.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Dec 3, 2008 1:13 PM CST
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I don't get it
Why continue to throw Deng out there and give him the slap on the ass when he’s not playing great and putting us in big holes to start the games?
I know he’s been a much better player than Larry un-legend, but benching him for a few games to get some fire back in Luol (he’ll still play 30 MPG, to work out of this godawful funk) is not such a problem….
Luol’s a Bull long term, Larry really isn’t…..but Luol needs to get out of this funk and him jacking up poor shots in the first quarter while getting constantly beat defensively because he’s trying to do too much for his game offensively doesn’t help.
Deng’s adjusting fine after the first quarter and a half….maybe he needs to stop being so coddled by the org so we can again see underdog Deng of 2 seasons ago shine…
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 1:42 PM CST
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because when has Deng ever had fire in his ass?
or whatever
he’s obviously struggling in the new offense, benching him won’t help that
playing him more in it will
I don’t understand how that’s a difficult concept.
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 3, 2008 2:17 PM CST
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I don't understand
Why Deng looks like shit and everyone says play him more….but Gordon has a bad stretch and everyone’s happy to bench him….
Or that Larry Hughes starts to play decently again and everyone hates him either.
I know eventually Deng will be fine, I’m not saying dramatically cut his minutes 30 MPG ain’t a dramatic cut, but maybe getting him to perform and ease into his role rather than jacking up everything and forcing his game in the 1st qtr isn’t the solution to a guy on a so far 20% of the season long funk….
Now that’s not hte difficult concept.
Maybe Deng needs to get some fire and be motivated to play to his abilities….
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 3:31 PM CST
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Look
what coming off the bench has done to Andrei Kirilenko? Of course AK47’s a better player than Deng, but see that as a point….
Deng needs confidence back much like T2 needs his confidence back….
At most I suggest this for a month, unless Deng either comes on or the team with him off the bench gets on a real roll….
Either way it’ll give us more of a chance to make the playoffs this year, which would be a big boost for Rose going forward. We don’t need/shouldn’t want the lottery as we have too many young guys as is and aside from Rose and maybe Gordon and maybe Deng our draft picks haven’t been all that solid either.
I’m not anti-Deng, I don’t and haven’t loved his contract, but he isn’t an awful player. He’s quite good as a lower top 10 definately top 15 SF….but right now he’s Kirk Hinriching himself out there and we had enough of that last season.
His confidence looks shot early in the games.
If he turns it around consistently sure, put him back in. I am trying to say the coaching staff should talk to him and say they want to ease him back in after injury and ease him more into the offense because he’s struggling. Obviously the Bulls brass aren’t going to bench him for $71M 4 months after signing him….but we should do whatever we can to get him back into his game and into doing the things he does right.
He’s not had 1 single game this year where he didn’t have at least a qtr stretch of good basketball, but he has had stretches early this year and late this year where he’s played very poorly…..and it seems to be a confidence thing.
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 3:37 PM CST
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benching didn't get Thomas more confidence
better coaching and putting him into place to succeed did
god, benching your best players is virtually NEVER a solution to any problem outside of injury
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 3, 2008 3:45 PM CST
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Benching
the last few years did immediate things to Ben Gordon….
I don’t know if playing another 12 games or so of crap for Deng is going to get the message to him to play his game.
Deng needs to be aggressive in moving WITHOUT THE BALL.
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 3:58 PM CST
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benching never worked for ben gordon
there is no direct correlation. Last year, sure, he was better off the bench. The year before that, the same. The year before that, better as a starter.
What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise?
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 3, 2008 5:22 PM CST
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and even when he was better off the bench
his numbers were really pretty close iirc.
by Jaina on
Dec 3, 2008 5:36 PM CST
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Well
This might now be a mute point after Luol finally put a game together last night….
But I don’t know, it seems when Ben used to have his early Nov slumps that he’d move to the bench and in 1-3 games would get his form back……
Now I think then he should have been moved back to a starter spot, but that didn’t happen and we had to live with Duhon…..
The evidence was the play, rewatch early on the past 4 years…
As for Nocioni, it’s a real shame he’s becoming the new Chris Duhon for our club….I’ve been a big Noc fan, but even I’m saying bench him…..hopefully he’s just hurt, because if he isn’t then what the hell’s going on?
by majoyenrac on
Dec 4, 2008 7:54 AM CST
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It seems like that, but it's not true.
I’m not going to go re-watch all the games from the last four years and neither are you. I’ll look at the boxscores. You’ll pretend you remember exact history over the past four years. I think everyone knows which is more reliable.
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 4, 2008 8:53 AM CST
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Also
Deng’s been injured and might be rushing back…..I mean I’ve been slightly down on Luol before because he can be so much more than he shows…..he has the talents, not the fire….
But he’s never really looked BAD before, and he looks BAD.
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 4:01 PM CST
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as to your first two sentences...
it’s not the same people
again, when has deng ever had “fire”? he’s been just fine w/o it. besides, “fire” usually means being more aggressive and you just said he shouldn’t be.
you’re making zero sense.
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 3, 2008 3:43 PM CST
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Deng
sure had fire in that Miami series everyone shouted about all last season…
Deng sure has stretches when he takes it to the rim and tries to utilize his strengths…
Deng the last few games is aggressively shooting awful, mostly contested jump shots from 20 ft away, rather than the 10-15 foot smart jump shooter he was in the past.
Finally I’ve never heard of any basketball or sports web site that didn’t compare 2 players together…..they don’t play in a cocoon…that was an asinine comment.
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 4:00 PM CST
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i have no idea what that last comment means
the same people who are saying deng shouldnt be benched were also saying Gordon shouldn’t be benched.
your confusion lies in your inability to remember things correctly.
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 3, 2008 5:24 PM CST
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I don't think
either should be benched as a long term solution ever….but if one is struggling learning a new system (Deng this year) or learning to play with new teammates (Gordn the last few years) and totally not playing their game, why not let them ease into a role.
Seems to be working of late with Tyrus Thomas.
But of course, again Deng had a great game, maybe he can build off of that one and this argument/discussion is completely overwith.
I would never say 100% Bench Deng and never play him. I am eating crow on the Noc vs Deng talks though, because I wasn’t expecting Noc (who got Rose’s game right away) to slip as badly as he has in this funk of his…..and thoguht for 2/3rds the price he wasn’t a bad option….but Noc has been awful.
I still like the idea of Tyrus at the 3 in spots….though Tyrus has to get a bit more consistent with his jump shot (his form has looked good this year though, but the shots aren’t falling)…
by majoyenrac on
Dec 4, 2008 10:06 AM CST
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you're simultaneously reading way too much into a few games of play
and then way too much into the power of ‘fire’ acquisition by benching. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Dec 3, 2008 3:57 PM CST
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I will take the 21 points from 14 shots
that Deng had today.
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Dec 3, 2008 11:11 PM CST
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That's the Deng
We’ve wanted to see….now he needs to continue that.
I’d take that too, but that’s been a ridiculous far cry from the Deng we saw before the Bucks game….
Deng was great yesterday, as was Tyrus Thomas again…..why Nocioni (in the worst slump of his entire career even when he played with the plaintair facitis int he playoffs he wasn’t quite this awful) is getting the time over Thomas in the clutch right now is ridiculous.
I hope Noc gets back to form, he’s been awful.
by majoyenrac on
Dec 4, 2008 7:56 AM CST
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Good thing he wasn't benched, eh?
Eh? Eh?
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 4, 2008 8:54 AM CST
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I wasn't saying bench him
If you reread my posts, I was saying have Luol come off the bench play 30 MPG and get his confidence back.
I’m not about to say Luol’s back….he’s had 1 other nice game this year, also against he Bucks, and played like crap afterwards….but yesterday was a good start.
And for the Gordon talk, you are just being ridiculous. BG has started the seasons off slow in the past, trying (like Deng has been doing) to do too much, and oddly the tactic of calming him down and getting him into a rythym worked (god I can never spell rythym and I know that’s wrong)….
Anyway, Deng for 10 games in a row when he played was forcing his game, rather than having the game come to him, and was trying desperately in the start of games to force awful shots etc to get going….then he’d sit for a bit and come back int he 2nd or 3rd and have a nice stretch of bball.
All I was saying was if he keeps up the awful play of every game but last night, it might benefit him if VDN sat down, talked to him, and said they wanted him to find his role and not go hog wild forcing awful shots and not playing the D he’s capable of…..
Luol’s a Bull for a long time, he’s not going to get a permanent spot on the bench….and was still getting 30 minutes in my estimations. I just wanted him to get his confidence back and learn the system, rather than force a game he doesn’t have into a system he hasn’t learned..
Never did I say bench him completely….
But who knows hopefully he can string more than 1 or 2 games together….he used to. and he really looked great yeserday.
by majoyenrac on
Dec 4, 2008 9:21 AM CST
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+1
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by tyger1147 on
Dec 4, 2008 11:09 AM CST
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don't +1
even to be an ass
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Dec 5, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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His minutes at the 3
have been the best basketball he has played since he left Washington.
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by bennythebull on
Dec 3, 2008 2:34 PM CST
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As have been
his games since Paxson/VDN talked to him….3-4 games ago.
by majoyenrac on
Dec 3, 2008 3:32 PM CST
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it's a very low standard.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Dec 3, 2008 3:52 PM CST
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and a really really small sample size.
And is also usually countered by the significant drop in defense
by Moses Taylor on
Dec 3, 2008 5:21 PM CST
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It's Not Just Hughes
Hughes came off the bench last night with 13…I think right now everyone is blaming someone…Nocioni…Why is Joakim so inconsistent…did the weight loss even help Gray…Why are the Bulls struggling with turnovers….I don’t think it’s just Hughes…but in terms of contracts, all the fuss that was going on with Ben Gordon…everyone getting upset with him and the frustration he had with the organization as a whole…i would say he is the only player…besides our Eastern Conference Rookie Derrick Rose…ballla……Gordon is the only other player who is living up to the expectations as best he can…He is leading the team in scoring averaging 20.4 points.
by bighands on Dec 4, 2008 12:00 PM CST 0 recs
NEVER BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ
First, I believe the owner, GM, coaches and players care more about “on the court performance” that someone on blog some bullshit, I apologize moderator, but some post are just too far off the mark.
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"Hughes arguably had his best playoff performance since scoring 33 points in Game 5 of the Wizards’ first-round series against the Chicago Bulls in 2005. It was the type of show the Cavaliers — and perhaps that angry fan — expected from Hughes when he bolted Washington that summer to sign a five-year, $60 million contract with the team. (The contract could be worth up to $70 million with easily attainable incentives; Hughes got a $2 million bonus this season because Cleveland won at least 49 games.)
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It was the type of show (no it was played on the court not a show) with the Cavaliers?
He was not playing even for them at the time in 2005, why in the H would they care then (the fan, please, go get your pepsi and third hot dog). He played in 36 games that year with 15.5 points and 4.5 rebounds and 3.6 assist (pretty much the same performance you get now?)
Now, maybe look before our Bulls get involved, remember, you have someone you have Wallace that you fail to mention? Contract dollars? Performance? The Trade? His 3 pt per game average this year (a superstar?).
All critical before you worry about a small incentive by someone, it is not that player, that gives the incentive. Hughes wanted to stay at Washington, they wanted him, still want him, but THE KING said, “get me Hughes”, hence the large contract. So don’t hate the player, don’t even hate Cleveland, for they usually to what the KING wants. He fills their seats. Last year before we got Hughes, he said, “GET ME JASON KIDD”, management did not listen this time or bow to the king. Now he is getting ready for the big Apple or Europe at 50 million a year.
Lets look at 2006-2007 (this is last year, a tad more recent than the 2005 mentioned), this was be the second of the five year contract, right. You still with me? Not a contract year? Correct? Played in 70 games, 68 starts and averaged a career high, remember, this is the ninth year in his career, average NBA career length?
Take a guess? 4.7 years So even you (and I) should know what your getting, RIGHT? 14.9 points per game, 3.8 assist and only one of seventeen player in the league last year (remember, this is 2007, not 2005) to finish with 1000 points, 250 rebounds, 250 assist and 85 steals. In the NBA, yes, the whole league (300 players). You don’t take that away from someone, he did it, case closed. In addition, he rated number 26 in steals per game. You think Thabo, Gordon are going to ever give you that? Heinrich? Anyone on the Bulls going to do that? Rose? Think he will make it 11 years in the NBA? How many players make it 10 years? Answer please? Not even 10 percent of every player on a team in 2008. 50% have less than three years expereince, you think someone with some knowledge, or played the game would respect someone who could do it for 5-7-9-11 years. I could never do it above my college level. Its truly like winning the lotto to have that skill. You don’t understand numbers, surely not defense and here is where the money came, Hughes is a great defender beyond even his good defensive numbers. A game, if studied and he play mid 30 minutes, he will take 6-8 points off the other teams score. I can’t show you or teach you how to know that, but less then the NBA level it’s known and rewarded, hence, why he make nearly a couple hundred grand a night. Now smoke those numbers in your pipe, because believe me, someone else did thirty times before it was offered. Then say, who can play the point at that height, play #2 and play small forward? Now you see value.
Now, what did he average is whole career and college career in FG and 3pts?
Once you start learning this about players, you start learning the game.
The same as he always has (Hughes) about 41% from the field, about 31% from the 3 pt mark. He finished the 2007 season (three more years on his contract remember) with going near the last ten games scoring over 16 ppg. Lead or tied the team in steals 21 times and went a month hitting 21-48 from the 3 pt line. In the year ending 2007, scored in double figures 55 times and topped the 20 pt mark 15 times.
Not to keep this brief, and it is honest as can be, and not lopsided like I am a Hughes junkie, he gives what he us what he always given any other team. Same average, same numbers, when played the minutes. At 30 next year, I want to know who on the bulls is better? Yes, Rose had the numbers, but for less than 2 months in the NBA, this is 10 years and 2 months in the NBA. Got one player? Nope, we got Sanford and Son heap of trouble with the wort junk in the paint. Now, he is leading our whole team yet does not start. HMMM, I would play for what somebody does on the court would not you? Look at the minutes, learn, most of all, with a player like Hughes that 95% of fans can not understand, it is the defense, not the missed 35 footer clanger (many times at Cleveland, where that started cause Lebron would finally pass then with 4 seconds left on the shot clock some games, Hughes would pop 30-40, many he would not.
I am no a friend of Hughes, agent, promoter, relative, etc, I don’t even know Larry Hughes, nor would he know me if I was in the first row of the United Center.
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