I think Nocioni is capable of a bigger return than just cap relief through scrubs like cardinal and booth

the guy has passion and plays damn hard to make up for the athleticism he may lack compaired to conventional SFs

the guy grabbed like 20 plus boards vs a shaq lead heat team several years ago…thats back when he wasnt pressured to be a third or 4th scoring option

now a days we rely on him scoring cause Deng cant shoot for his life

watch…when the bulls make the playoffs i am certain we all will be wanting Nocioni more than cardinal booth and cap space

hes a beast…lets win now..this team can do it in the east..dont blow the season and trade him for garbage

hes a valuable trade piece and i think if we were to trade him…we could get something a lot nicer than what you posted

I liked the first two guys you mentioned in Carney and McCants but the last two guys not so much. I know Noc has been playing thug the last 5-10 games but the 5-10 games before that he was really playing well with D Rose.

I think VDN needs to do a better job of reeling him in when he’s acting like an idiot. You can tell within his first couple min what kind of game he’s in for. Its either chucker or fucker. I prefer the chucker when he’s hitting.

We much be patient! I might be alone on this but I would like Noc to stay and play out his bloated contract here. He’s one of those guys you need on a championship team. He’s a good chucker when under control, we know he knows how to take hard fouls, he will give up his body on any play if neccasary, doesnt mind playing off the bench, he’s generally disliked by most other NBA players, great energy guy.

Lets get VDN to do a better job evaluating him while he’s in the game. We all know its either one of the other with him.

the point of winning one or two more playoff games is quite simple…young team+wins = confidence

i rather create some sort of chemistry/character/confidence than taking a risk on the free agent market

look regardless if we have nocioni or not, the bulls will attract some big name Free agents… their are like 42 star caliber free agents coming out that year….losing nocioni so we have some more money is pointless when we can try to keep nocioni…add some wins..keep players together who can create a good chemistry…then add a free agent to add that final piece… and worst come have a hustle player like nocioni off the bench

let players who arent apparent in our future like hughes come off the books

 im just opposed to losing a hustle guy like nocioni when i see championship teams have players like him

celtics – posey
spurs – bowen
lakers – vujacic

im not saying he is as good as posey bown or vujacic but im saying he offers the same type of play ….call it the sixth man..the x factor…call it what you will but i think nocioni has more to offer than what we are seein on a young strugglin team trying to find its identity

perhaps i am a bit too high on Nocioni
but i swear the guy has a lot more to offer and i bet you once he goes to a better team he is going to be a real pain in the ass coming off the bench….i just rather see him doing that for us than lets say the spurs

i like having some diversity on the team awell…a la san antonio / lakers/ jordans bulls/ divac kings

i think we have some stars…one deff in rose and perhaps deng and or gordon…add a big free agent and then all of a sudden we have a lot less pressure on players like nocioni and thats when we see him flourish

but true…getting rid of him can add cap space…i just dont see many players who have the heart/drive/intesity like Noc brings

and as for re-signing Gooden….i really hope not…i rather sign a legit star at PF in 2010….Stoudamire/Bosh/Dirk
not gooden

that I’d take this return, and it’s even less than expiring contracts (since Cardinal doesn’t expire for 2 years). ugh.

I do not see his value raising, and I think he has to be gone before the end of this season (to free up tax money for BG) maybe just hope that some other team buys into his ‘passion’ like some posters here.

As much crap as Deng’s gotten (and it’s deserved), Nocioni’s having an even worse season.

 true

and yes its not garnetts passion
but it certainly does help

ok im done backing Noce…but has anyone every seen one other player in the league that runs around on the court with his fists clinched besides noce?

and who else sits on the bench chompin on his finger nails??

thats gotta count for something….

call it psycho

Why trade Nocioni for a 2010 expiring contract when you could trade him for someone who expires at the end of this season?

It’s not like it will be hard to get an expiring deal, contact every contender on the league and a bunch of them will jump up and down dying to take up the offer.

Reading those other TWolves articles, the really obvious thing that sticks out to me is that McHale seriously screwed the pooch in thinking he could team up Kevin Love and Al Jefferson. They’re every bit as redundant as having Kirk is with Derrick Rose, or having Nocioni is with… well… anyone, but especially Deng, Gooden, Thabo, Tyrus, etc.

While neither of those guys are completely ideal, I think Jefferson is a very good player (I’d trade anyone but Rose to get him).

I think Love will be pretty decent as well. He’s already posting very solid numbers by most every measure I’ve looked at (PER 16.4, 82 Games shows him with a positive net +/-, my rating system shows him to be a borderline starter already, and productive on a per minute basis). So maybe he’s the guy to look at.

Maybe we try to take care of everything in one fell swoop:
Bulls trade Kirk, Noc, Tyrus, 2009 #1 pick
Wolves trade Love, Collins, Cardinal, Madsen

Would that get it done?

The list of ex-players that suck as gm’s is long:

McHale
Paxson
Kerr
Jordan
Thomas- what a mess he created in NY
Larry Bird

I’m sure i’m leaving a few out !