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Possible Roster Move?

  • Rashad McCants and Rodney Carney are two of several Wolves who could take some of Corey Brewer's minutes, but Kevin McHale didn't rule out a possible roster move.

    • "We'll see what happens," he said. "When someone who's playing a role on the team goes down, then other people get a chance to step up, and we'll see what happens." -- The Pioneer Press

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

     

    It got me to think of the possibilty of moving Nocioni if Rashad and Rodney do not pick it up for the Timberwolves.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2456~77~130&teams=16~4~4&te=&cash=

    The trade involves Nocioni for Brian Cardinal and Calvin Booth.

    For the Bulls it's cap relief for the future as Calvins contract is up after this season and Brians contract is up in 2010. I can see either of these players getting little if not no playing time.

    As for the Timberwolves they can take in a contract like Nocionis. It gives them a SF until Corey is back. And when he does return Nocioni can be a reliable sixth man or even start if needed for the struggling Kevin Love.

     

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    I think Nocioni is capable of a bigger return than just cap relief through scrubs like cardinal and booth

    the guy has passion and plays damn hard to make up for the athleticism he may lack compaired to conventional SFs

    the guy grabbed like 20 plus boards vs a shaq lead heat team several years ago…thats back when he wasnt pressured to be a third or 4th scoring option

    now a days we rely on him scoring cause Deng cant shoot for his life

    watch…when the bulls make the playoffs i am certain we all will be wanting Nocioni more than cardinal booth and cap space

    hes a beast…lets win now..this team can do it in the east..dont blow the season and trade him for garbage

    hes a valuable trade piece and i think if we were to trade him…we could get something a lot nicer than what you posted

    by markoni22 on Dec 2, 2008 9:38 AM CST   1 recs

    Nocioni isn't good enough for his per-year contract.

    And it’s long, too. So, no, he’s not going to get something worth value.

    Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

    by tyger1147 on Dec 2, 2008 11:10 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Nocioni

    is good enough for the contract, just not on our team because of our huge needs and the big holes at the 4-5 spots….and with his injury history, aggressive style and age it might be tough to find a great offer for him, especially when Nocioni also might be a better fit with Rose (the last 3 games though I don’t know what to think with Andres….just awful, pouty games).

    by majoyenrac on Dec 2, 2008 11:39 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Nocioni is all-right, but I'd let him go for cap releif.

    Lets not start thinking that because Rose has been so damn good we are suddenly contenders. This team is now in semi-rebuilding mode, as they are perfectly capable of going to the playoffs but won’t do much once we get there. By the time this team blossoms into a legit contender Nocioni will be more useless than he is now, and freeing up cap space so we can go ahead and bring in some big-time player(s) to play along Derrick Rose is a great idea. Noc has not been very good this year and I would look into unloading the foul-machine.

    by dakoose on Dec 2, 2008 12:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    lol

    I liked the first two guys you mentioned in Carney and McCants but the last two guys not so much. I know Noc has been playing thug the last 5-10 games but the 5-10 games before that he was really playing well with D Rose.

    I think VDN needs to do a better job of reeling him in when he’s acting like an idiot. You can tell within his first couple min what kind of game he’s in for. Its either chucker or fucker. I prefer the chucker when he’s hitting.

    We much be patient! I might be alone on this but I would like Noc to stay and play out his bloated contract here. He’s one of those guys you need on a championship team. He’s a good chucker when under control, we know he knows how to take hard fouls, he will give up his body on any play if neccasary, doesnt mind playing off the bench, he’s generally disliked by most other NBA players, great energy guy.

    Lets get VDN to do a better job evaluating him while he’s in the game. We all know its either one of the other with him.

    by Bulls4Ever on Dec 2, 2008 9:40 AM CST   0 recs

    i'll take the cap space

    sure Nocioni is better than those guys and might help us win 1 more playoff game or something than those two, but what’s the point? We’re getting knocked out in the 1st maybe 2nd rd anyway. Clear as much cap space for 2010 as you can. Players will want to come play with Rose as he’s entering his prime and we’re a huge market, we can attract a quality FA to come play here

    by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 2, 2008 10:34 AM CST   0 recs

    That is exactly what I was thinking.

    There’s only one good thing about the Bulls right now and that is Rose.

    by J Theory on Dec 2, 2008 10:43 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Sadly, if you were to rank the players this season it would go

    1.Rose
    2.Gordon (free agent)
    3.Gooden (free agent)
    4. ??

    We don’t even have a 4th best players. I can’t even come up wiht one, honestly. And 2 and 3 are free agents!

    by CJ Bulls on Dec 2, 2008 12:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Hinrich!

    (seriously)

    Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

    by tyger1147 on Dec 2, 2008 1:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Two words. The second one is a flower.

    When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

    by Illini15 on Dec 2, 2008 4:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Nocioni is an aging chucker

    And he is only going to get slower on defense. I’d trade him for a series of blows to the groin.

    by Cliffston on Dec 2, 2008 11:39 AM CST   2 recs

    ?

    the point of winning one or two more playoff games is quite simple…young team+wins = confidence

    i rather create some sort of chemistry/character/confidence than taking a risk on the free agent market

    look regardless if we have nocioni or not, the bulls will attract some big name Free agents… their are like 42 star caliber free agents coming out that year….losing nocioni so we have some more money is pointless when we can try to keep nocioni…add some wins..keep players together who can create a good chemistry…then add a free agent to add that final piece… and worst come have a hustle player like nocioni off the bench

    let players who arent apparent in our future like hughes come off the books

     im just opposed to losing a hustle guy like nocioni when i see championship teams have players like him

    celtics – posey
    spurs – bowen
    lakers – vujacic

    im not saying he is as good as posey bown or vujacic but im saying he offers the same type of play ….call it the sixth man..the x factor…call it what you will but i think nocioni has more to offer than what we are seein on a young strugglin team trying to find its identity

    by markoni22 on Dec 2, 2008 11:40 AM CST   0 recs

    Nocioni will not be a factor on us making the playoffs or not

    IMO. Rose will be that factor. With Goodens expiring contract at the end of this year and adding Booths then you have a better chance of signing Gordon.

    You compare Noc to role players but make it seem like he’s our star. First you have to have your two/three stars then you build around them with role players. Moving a bad contract is the first step towards rebuilding for this.

    by J Theory on Dec 2, 2008 11:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    you realize

    you can’t sign FA’s without money????

    because with Nocioni’s contract on the books we cannot go after a big FA

    by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 2, 2008 12:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    hmmm

    trade and sign?

    by Sambossanova on Dec 2, 2008 4:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    And which Bulls will teams want that would match up with a max salary?

    Hinrich and Nocioni? Why take on those guys?

    Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

    by tyger1147 on Dec 2, 2008 5:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    buy those guys later

    if Bulls get anywhere near championship level then they should draft or sign those guys then

    now they need cash to get and keep some long term decent players around Rose, all this depth isn’t helping as there aren’t enough really good guys on roster yet (or some not yet playing at potential), especially with salary cap issues

    I like Noc just as well as anyone but for the Bulls, they committed to Deng and they are looking for more long term where Noc doesn’t fit in as well, plus it is true he probably has peaked at this point

    by NY Chicago Fan on Dec 2, 2008 12:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Are you kidding me?

    Those guys play all out but are actually very good at what they do. Posey and Bowen are excellent man to man defenders while Nocioni isn’t. Vujacic is a dead-eye shooter and guess what…. Nocioni isn’t. And by the time this team is ready to contend Nocioni will be even worse.

    by dakoose on Dec 2, 2008 12:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Your familiarity with Nocioni

    and your buying into Vujacic and Posey’s hype obscures the actual lack of substantive evidence backing up your claims.

    Honestly between Posey and Nocioni there is hardly a discernible difference. If we compare Posey’s last four seasons to Nocioni’s, simply by per 36 numbers—admittedly not the ideal metrics—we see that Nocioni averages more points, more free throws attempted, more rebounds, and shoots similarly from the field. When comparing defensive rating, they are similarly mediocre. Last year Posey’s roland rating was -9.2 and Nocioni’s was +0.5, before that their numbers fluctuate between in about the same range. Moreover, removing Nocioni’s third injured playoff experience, he has had moderate to great success in his opportunities; obviously the same can be said of Posey, but that isn’t my point. In truth, I would probably take Posey over Nocioni if I had to pick, but were Nocioni completely healthy and surrounded by a championship caliber team, his contributions would look infinitely better.

    by McCabe on Dec 2, 2008 1:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Oh and Vujacic...

    yeah, he shot well last year. But he can’t play defense to save his life. I am sure Jackson would trade Vujacic for Nocioni in a second if the contracts matched.

    by McCabe on Dec 2, 2008 1:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    because Nocioni's defense is so good?

    Vujacic can at least hassle guys on the perimeter without fouling them.

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    by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2008 1:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    haha did you see vujacic in the finals?

    did you see when he let the defender go riiiiiiiiiiiiight by him??

    Nocioni would have at least gave him a clothesline or bumped him

    vujacic has no d
    he can shoot a three

    i only added him before at the top to create some sort of parrallel with the fact that championship caliber teams always have some sort of bench player that comes up with big plays down the stretch

    by markoni22 on Dec 2, 2008 1:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    It was a really poor attempt.

    Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

    by tyger1147 on Dec 2, 2008 4:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Hahaha! Good point.

    Vujacic can hit threes but when the championship on the line and a slower, aging three pointer drives, you CLOTHELINE him or HIPCHECK him or PULL OUT A FREAKING LASSO and rope him up!

    by PatBull on Dec 3, 2008 10:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    you're ignoring that Posey is a great and versatile defender

    and Noc is abysmal in that same role.

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    by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2008 1:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    ugh what's with me today

    I’m skimming too much. So instead of saying that you ignored Posey’s defense, I’ll say that you’re over-valuing Roland Rating: Noc is awful and Posey is very good.

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    by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2008 2:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    I'm not familiar with those ratings,

    but I have seen both play plenty of times and Noc is not as good of a man-to-man defender as Posey. Personally, I don’t put as much stock in the advanced basketball metrics because the nature of the game is not as isolated as it is in baseball. Nocioni meanwhile, is a fouling machine who this team could do without, not to mention his contract. Vujacic is a pretty good shooter and he isn’t relied on for defense. Noc’s calling card is his hustle and defense and he the latter is slipping, quickly.

    by dakoose on Dec 2, 2008 2:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    vujacic is a hustle player?

    what does that even mean anymore?

    Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

    by tyger1147 on Dec 2, 2008 1:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    If we're going to trade for cap space,

    I’d like more of it to be for this year. We’ve got some guys to sign (BG, Gooden).

    by arjoseph on Dec 2, 2008 11:45 AM CST   0 recs

    fair enough

    perhaps i am a bit too high on Nocioni
    but i swear the guy has a lot more to offer and i bet you once he goes to a better team he is going to be a real pain in the ass coming off the bench….i just rather see him doing that for us than lets say the spurs

    i like having some diversity on the team awell…a la san antonio / lakers/ jordans bulls/ divac kings

    i think we have some stars…one deff in rose and perhaps deng and or gordon…add a big free agent and then all of a sudden we have a lot less pressure on players like nocioni and thats when we see him flourish

    but true…getting rid of him can add cap space…i just dont see many players who have the heart/drive/intesity like Noc brings

    and as for re-signing Gooden….i really hope not…i rather sign a legit star at PF in 2010….Stoudamire/Bosh/Dirk
    not gooden

    by markoni22 on Dec 2, 2008 11:55 AM CST   0 recs

    you can't add Amare/Bosh/Dirk, etc

    without removing Nocioni’s salary

    the things you mention about Nocioni are positive attributes in a vacuum, the problem is those attributes aren’t worth anything close to what he’s being paid and that contract inhibits us from going after FA’s

    by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 2, 2008 12:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Nocioni's been so bad

    that I’d take this return, and it’s even less than expiring contracts (since Cardinal doesn’t expire for 2 years). ugh.

    I do not see his value raising, and I think he has to be gone before the end of this season (to free up tax money for BG) maybe just hope that some other team buys into his ‘passion’ like some posters here.

    As much crap as Deng’s gotten (and it’s deserved), Nocioni’s having an even worse season.

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    by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2008 1:07 PM CST   0 recs

    Nocioni is having a worse season than Deng…… jmmmm

    well shit if Nocioni was paid 71 mill after holding out for so long then i could understand

    but ….i rather have Nocioni at this point with his cheaper salary than shit ass Deng at 71 mill

    and you know what yea i rather have Noc with his passion

    look at Kevin Garnetts Passion

    look what he did to that celtics team

    for all you who are gonna jump on me for saying the name garnett……I AM NOT COMPAIRING GARNETT TO NOCIONI
    i am saying Passion is what makes a player and can unite a team ….a team is what wins..not a bunch of superstars put in together examples: Lakers with malone and payton…Blazers with Pippen/smith/wallace/sabonis

    and im not sure but has anyone ever seen Luol Deng show any form of passion once?? any yells? any anger? anything?? ever??

    regardless maybe nocioni isnt the answer but he and his salary surely are not the problem either

    by markoni22 on Dec 2, 2008 1:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    and without the talent

    the passion is just annoying. I doubt Garnett could get away with his antics (even amongst teammates) if he stunk.

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    by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2008 2:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    plus your use of "superstars"

    is quite liberal

    all those guys were more “has beens” than “superstars”

    by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 2, 2008 1:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Jason Williams tried to have passion

    and just came off as annoying.

    I’d rather surround Rose with one or two other stars and then add the role players that come with cheaper contracts.

    Role players don’t make the contenders; the contenders make the role player ;P

    by J Theory on Dec 2, 2008 1:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    How bout Rose?

    He doesn’t yell, or get angry….

    So, I guess we should trade him for someone who yells a lot…

    by kidronmusic on Dec 2, 2008 4:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    yea okay…your jumping on anything u can find Kidronmusic…give rose a couple seasons and he will be a lot more vocal

    hes 20 years old in a league full of 6’7’’ millionaires…i doubt hes gonna be all in your face initially…hes still passionate just shows it differently than others

    by markoni22 on Dec 3, 2008 10:10 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    seriously

    you can see how disappointed he gets when he makes a mistake.

    by Jaina on Dec 3, 2008 11:28 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    The point was...

    You can have passion without the yelling and fist pumping and waving your arms to the crowd…

    Like Rose does.

    I think it’s kind of cool. I would like him to increase his communication on the floor, and his interaction with teamates, but I love the fact that after his huge block on Andre Miller, he just walked back to the bench. Like he new he had done his job well, but didn’t need to draw attention to himself through anything but his play.

    by kidronmusic on Dec 3, 2008 6:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    One aspect of Noce that's been overlooked

    is how quickly he’s declined physically. He’s a long way from the player who could consistently get to the rim, rebound, and frankly, slide his feet a little on defense. I wrote a post at the beginning of the season regarding how Noce could potentially fit well with Rose (he can shoot threes and run the break well for a 4), and I won’t link it here because…well…ahem, I won’t link it. In any case, I didn’t factor in that Noce would turn into an old geezer this quickly. When he runs you just know those knees don’t have much cartilage left. He doesn’t change direction or jump well anymore. And as a result he’s turned into an even bigger chunker, has to hack instead of slide his feet, and he relies more on hysterics than he did in the past. Basically, Noc’s crazed style of play and international summers have caught up to him. It pains me to say it, but he’s done.

    The key difference between Noc’s and Deng’s bad season is that there’s nothing that’s physically stopping Deng from returning to a high level of play. With Deng the issues are pretty much mental and strategic. Noc, on the other hand, literally can’t move as well as he used to, and he’s only going to continue to decline.

    If there’s any way to move him, move him. Because soon there won’t be any way.

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    by MPG on Dec 2, 2008 2:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Another aspect of Noc that's been overlooked,

    by me, is spelling his name. Noc not Noce. Noc not Noce.

    Got it.

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    by MPG on Dec 2, 2008 2:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Role players don’t make the contenders; the contenders make the role player ;P

     true

    and yes its not garnetts passion
    but it certainly does help

    ok im done backing Noce…but has anyone every seen one other player in the league that runs around on the court with his fists clinched besides noce?

    and who else sits on the bench chompin on his finger nails??

    thats gotta count for something….

    call it psycho

    by markoni22 on Dec 2, 2008 1:46 PM CST   0 recs

    it counts for way too much

    like, $8m.

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    by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2008 2:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    He picks his nose too

    while on the bench. I just find him very annoying this season.

    by sue369 on Dec 2, 2008 3:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    yEAH

    I agree there….

    The whole team though (Tyrus is doing it too) fight too often for the boards and we lose some of them because of this (I’d say 1-3 a game) Nocioni has been the biggest offender there though. I don’t recall seeing that much last year, and for Noc especially it makes little sense since he’s not in a contract—look what I can do mold and doesn’t need to do that to be effective.

    by majoyenrac on Dec 2, 2008 3:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    You don't remember it from last year...

    because last year nobody fought for rebounds with anybody, let alone teamates…

    by kidronmusic on Dec 2, 2008 4:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Yeah, but seriously

    fist clenching, what the hell? I know, i could see him helping the spurs to a surprise championship, but even then i wouldn’t regret trading him. He’s not what that useful to this bulls team

    by grillo on Dec 3, 2008 6:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Noce is good enough and cheaper year after year

    we can wait to trade him next year if it is necessary

    by JustAnotherFan on Dec 2, 2008 8:22 PM CST   0 recs

    he's getting worse by the game

    at a faster pace than how his contract declines.

    Plus, if it were possible to completely get his money off the books in ‘09 it’d provide much needed room under the tax.

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    by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2008 11:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    I am not against clearing the cap

    but getting this crap in return? I am sure we could do better

    by JustAnotherFan on Dec 3, 2008 6:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Are you?

    Really?

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    by tyger1147 on Dec 4, 2008 8:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    When you're clearing the cap

    you’re clearing the cap. Not looking for something better. NY could’ve gotten something better for Randolph but look at what they got just to clear the cap. You can’t have it both ways unless you’re really lucky or dealing with another GM who doesn’t know what he’s doing.

    by J Theory on Dec 4, 2008 8:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    I'd do this trade

    Now that VDN fell in love with Hughes as an SF, we are going to have hell to pay to get rid of him.

    Noch is easier (consider Hinrich and we can make that easiest) to move and I honestly don’t see his stock rising any higher than what he’s doing for us now. If we can nab a first rounder (or convince Minny to swap picks), it gives us another piece we can use to build behind Rose, gives us the cap flexibility to resign BG and rids us of a silly contract that the Paxdorf coalition should have never offered in the first place.

    I don’t buy that we need a Posey-type player on a championship team. We have a host of good perimeter defenders (Skiles was good for ONE thing) and guys who (ideally) should be able to hit a few corner jumpers.

    So I say, do the trade. ONLY IF we get a first-rounder though.

    by Alighieri on Dec 2, 2008 8:40 PM CST   0 recs

    I'd do it anyway

    and i’m a Noc fan, though i have to admit he’s gotten worse and worse as a player nowadays. Regardless, this roster needs some trades, and so he has to go. In an ideal world i’d keep him as grit guy on my championship team, but let’s face it, that’s just wishful thinking.

    He’s got that contract, he’s still possibly has some value, he needs to be shipped out.

    Look at the hinrich situation. That was handled really bad, with the official excuse being that if maybe gordon leaves, next year, we’d still have kirk then. Yeah, so keep him one year, with that contract, as backup pg or bad starting 2 guard.

    So it makes little sense to keep the overpaid glue guy on a team that could possibly even miss the playoffs

    by grillo on Dec 3, 2008 6:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    oh no, this was the argument for giving Kirk a pass last year

    there’s different degrees of ‘well’.

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    by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2008 6:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    that's why i say

    ship him out. we’ve seen rose, we’ve seen the light. no inexperience, bad pairings, coach decisions, bad matchups, mild injuries, whatever bs excuses we can make up matter, good players still show someting.

    rose has already in these weeks been through all of that and yet he has always come through with brilliant play. nobody on this team is that good, even remotely. now i’m not saying trade everybody, but yeah, it’s not like giving away pieces of a contender.

    look, if hughes is playing better than you at the three, well, chances are you’re pretty much expendable.

    by grillo on Dec 4, 2008 6:24 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Why trade Nocioni for a 2010 expiring contract when you could trade him for someone who expires at the end of this season?

    It’s not like it will be hard to get an expiring deal, contact every contender on the league and a bunch of them will jump up and down dying to take up the offer.

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    by NBR on Dec 4, 2008 9:15 AM CST   0 recs

    .....

    1. It’s regarding the Timberwolves

    2. Brian Cardinal is not being used

    3. Calvin Booths contract is up at the end of this season

    4. You can replace Brain Cardinal with Jason Collins in the trade and his contract is up at the end of this season but Jason Collins is being used.

    by J Theory on Dec 4, 2008 10:08 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    I think Jason Collins makes more sense for the Bulls because of when his contract expires.

    The Bulls should also get something else of value. I think the Wolves have four first round picks this season, also the rights Pekovic from last year’s 2nd round pick, one of those would be nice.

    I don’t think the trade creates enough value for the Bulls otherwise, and they will be able to get superior offers elsewhere.

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    by NBR on Dec 4, 2008 5:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Name some possible ones.

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    by tyger1147 on Dec 4, 2008 5:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    Toronto Raptors – Anthony Parker + Joey Graham + Roko Ukic. With the way they’re struggling one is unlikely to get a first round pick off of them.

    Cleveland – Eric Snow + 1st round pick

    Sacramento – Bobby Jackson

    Utah and Dallas do not have straight expiring contracts but they have non-guaranteed and partial guaranteed contracts in Jerry Stackhouse and Matt Harpring. Utah may be more interested in keeping their cap space though. Dallas would be very interested.

    Maybe NJ and Stromile Swift. They have one of the worst forward combinations in the league. They want to keep cap space but they’re able to take on Noce’s contract and still find a way to offer a max contract later on.

    Antoine Walker in Memphis plus Javaris Crittenton

    I also think Nocioni has a shot at bringing home a high level role player like a Barbosa, or a Haslem. Not necessarily those two, but that level of player.

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    by NBR on Dec 4, 2008 5:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    he certainly does not have that level of value. have you watched the man play?

    he’s washed up. finished. we’ll be lucky if anyone takes him at all, let alone gives us expiring contracts for THIS year for him.

    by fundamentallysound on Dec 4, 2008 6:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    I agree that Nocioni’s performances have dipped in a large way …. but I disagree that his trade value will have plummeted so in response to that. Several teams will believe he can repeat his previous success for their team. He’s young enough and healthy enough. It’s also very early in the season so some of his struggles will be written off as a slump, rather than a constant for his future.

    http://nbaroundtable.wordpress.com/

    by NBR on Dec 4, 2008 6:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

    So you believe

    that someone will come to the table with Paxson saying “I know his value is low right now but I’m going to overpay for him even though It’s not gauranteed that he will pick up his game again. Here take a young prospect and a expiring contract. Let me throw in a draft pick just in case.”

    I really don’t see that happening for Nocioni. The only value Noc brings is chanting his name in the playoffs. No-ci-oni, bump bump bum bum bummped

    by J Theory on Dec 5, 2008 8:30 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    I do not think his trade value is low. I think he’s still perceived as a high level role player who could play a big role in somebodies team. I think he still has a positive trade value and that it isn’t much different than it was a year ago.

    http://nbaroundtable.wordpress.com/

    by NBR on Dec 5, 2008 8:43 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

    and I think you're wrong

    teams watch tape of guys playing in the games before they deal for them. The rest of the league has watched Noc’s nosedive. His value has to have dropped.

    by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2008 11:07 AM CST