Bulls 115, Clippers 109 (OT): You know that feeling after a thrilling OT victory? Right, the opposite of that
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 17, 2008 11:17 PM CST
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PrintA win's a win, they had to win this stretch of easy schedule (oops, they went 4-4), and that's good.
But man this Bulls team is hard to watch. It took a miracle Ben Gordon 4-point play to send it to overtime, and several minutes of dodging bullets while the Clippers failed to capitalize on their inside advantage, either by some, um, gritty defense (more on that later) or by their own ineptitude. A couple OT shots by Luol Deng.
I suppose whatever breaks the Bulls got Wednesday night balances out the ones they didn't get in Charlotte the night before. But hell, this is the Clippers and the Bobcats, they shouldn't need breaks.
It's now been several games since Derrick Rose has been great. Not officially a worry, but if anything it shows how much this team needs him to be at a very high level.
And Vinny's of lack of recognition of the importance of defending the basket and defensive rebounding continued. Gray continues to start, Gooden continues to be spacy, and Marcus Camby set his career high (it's been a long one, remember) in rebounds. Tyrus Thomas suffered a concussion (didn't see how, they displayed a message on the scoreboard in the 2nd half) which explains some of it, and Nocioni and Gooden shot the ball well enough on offense to make up for their usual defensive ineptitude, but it never gets less confusing that Vinny thinks that a Gooden-Gray or Gooden-Noc or Noc-Gray (didn't see that one, at least) is a sustainable strategy, instead of merely an emergency one.
(forgot to mention this when I first posted: After Gordon hit that 4-point play, Vinny did make an actual defense-for-offense sub to end regulation. That's improvement.)
All that said, while Zach Randolph had his way for most of the game, Nocioni was relentless in denying him the ball, and even bilked a couple offensive fouls/violations for his trouble. He made Randolph work, and Randolph isn't a big fan of that.
Good that it ultimately got them a victory, they needed it. But these past two games can hardly be separated, despite the different result. It's just really hard to watch this team right now.
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i keep looking up at the score
in disbelief that they only scored 3 pts in OT.
glad we pulled it out. i wasn’t happy it came down to a crazy BG play to bring it into overtime in the first place, but the win was needed.
I think the Tyrus concussion stems from last night
Drew knocked him in the face with his arm. Gooden is just so damn intense he’ll knock anyone down in the post, like KG on meth.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
or he's just so spacy that he's liable to stumble into anyone and hit them and knock them out
when they’ve put up two solid efforts in a row. No, I’m not bitter.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 17, 2008 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
He got a soft foul on the Bobcat(and 1)
and a hard one on on TT.
He just
doesn’t want to be replaced.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
This team is really hard to watch.
I thought they will get an easy W in Memphis-not happened.
Then i was almost sure they gonna lose to Nets-surprizelly not happened.
Same story with Cats and Clipps.
I’m sure we gonna be destroyed by Celtics-one more surprize?Please?
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
That 4 point play was damn beautiful
KC just wrote a little diddy that says Gordon isn’t unwilling to return to the Bulls. I’m feeling pretty good right now. Sheet, they got a win. Vinny is learning. Rose is learning. And Gordon is learning that he doesn’t need to look over his shoulder any more. This is a good year to be a bulls fan… just be patient… your watching the 07-08 blackhawks.
That reminds me, I’m about to go spend way to much money on winter classic tickets
checks to see if girfriend is asleep
lights a smoke
Yeah,
you got to double asterisk that.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Dec 18, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
here here
That play truly was a sight to see. I don’t care that it was lucky. It was awesome. He was almost horizontal in the air, kinda shooting over Drew Gooden. Gordon really must have ice in his veins to make such a colossal shot. And the other Gordon was kind enough to tap him on the arm as a bonus. Did he really think that was gonna alter the shot? These situations are where Gordon’s hours in the gym truly pay off. He looks just as fresh in the 4th quarter as he does at the start.
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
if this is 07-08 blackhawks
Vinny needs to learn to play TT, Noah, and Thabo a lot more(and they need to not screw it up to bad)
Hope you can see the rink.
continue of the trend these last few games that is
let that be the only thing that continues from them tho.
Woah, Bill?
The interweb is a small world. I gave myself a pretty high budget for the tickets and all I could afford are the bleachers which will be damn cold and far from the rink.
I’m thinking I’ll go to a wrigleyvill bar with a big HD TV and use my ticket budget on irish coffees.
Indeed it is, SP, indeed it is.
As awesome as outdoor hockey is…that still seems like a much better plan….you’ll actually get to see the Hawks shred them and you’re probably going to need a few of those coffees I’d imagine.
I'm not as much worried about Gordon's willingness to return
as the Bulls willingness to keep him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Stop worrying...
We might just be a good team without BG. Just spit-balling…
Or
we could be the Thunder!
Yay Thunder.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
In honor of Dante and Galante
(the summer league broadcasters from Orlando), I vote we call them the OKC Thundercats on this board.
by Granny Waiters on Dec 18, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
That's a great idea.
I agree with this!
So we could be the Thundercats! [Hooooooooooooooooo!] Rose is Lion-O, and … that’s about as much as I know about the Thundercats.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
No, The Team Formerly Known as the Sonics
is the Thundercats, not the Bulls.
by Granny Waiters on Dec 19, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Spaced.
Man, I’m becoming like Gooden. Eck.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Interesting scoop from KC tonight
It’s known the Bulls have had talks with the Kings, though it’s unclear who on that roster interests the Bulls. Former Bull Brad Miller is available. The Bulls also have expressed interest in Clippers center Chris Kaman, who didn’t travel because of injury and who reportedly is not being shopped yet. Gooden’s expiring contract and solid averages that are near a double-double could attract interest. …
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
what a terd
he says former bull brad miller is avilable right after saying its unclear who interests them. Just say brad miller might of interest to them….
by Sambossanova on Dec 18, 2008 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
hah
that’s what I thought: it’s really clear who’d be of interest.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Kaman, who is not being shopped
in contrast to Tyrus, who will be shopped. KC sure loves shopping for trades
by Calogero on Dec 18, 2008 6:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont really see Brad MIller
as the answer to this team. I guess he gives the bulls another option to initiate the offense with his passing skills. He can finish unlike the other big men on this team. But really?
He's the answer
only in that his contract comes off the books for the big 2010 yr.
He will add height and some toughness, but we won’t be materially better with modern Brad.
I am wishy washy on him, I’d much rather it be Kaman or AK47 though, even if AK47’s extended past the free agency of the ages…..
by majoyenrac on Dec 18, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ya
that is great then, cause this team ain’t doing much until they get another big time name in there. 2010 is where its at, anything that allows us to compete for playoffs until then and clear space in 2010 is solid gold in my opinion.
officially a brad miller to the bulls fan!
what about boozer
he just said he would opt out this summer like last night. and the manager seems mildly peeved by it. plus the great play of paul milsap means that jazz might look to move him.
now HE can finnish inside and outside!
I don't think Boozer's all that great.
Really good, but not great.
And the Bulls won’t have cap space this summer anyway. So it’s moot.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Has anyone given thought to Andrew Bogut
He seems very underutilized for his contract up in Milwaukee. The problem is I don’t see that we have much size to give them in return.
only Bulls fans
get fed up that quick when players just signed long-term extensions :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ha
Well it is weird. Maybe it’s a Skiles system thing, he’s really not playing that poorly. He is averaging under 9 shots a game. Seems awfully low for a pretty talented center.
Correction
He wishes he could play 4 guards and Malik Allen.
by majoyenrac on Dec 18, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bogut, Deng and Rose would be awesome.
Not “championship-caliber” maybe, but good. Trade for Bogut after July 1.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Too much $$ for Bogut
I’d rather take the lumps and not quite be championship caliber and get a real piece for the $15M or whatever it is they’ll be paying Andrew Bogut.
Bogut can have a good game or two, but he can just as easily be taken out of the game by the better PFs/C’s of the league….
$12 avg?
He basically makes a $1m more per year than Deng. If you like Kaman, you should like this guy.
I actually think that the foursome of Rose, Deng, Thomas, Bogut is a pretty good combo. They’d need to trade Hinrich and Nocioni, but they could still go after a 2010 FA. But they should do that anyway.
a good game or two, a bad game or two… so he’s not a superstar. He’s still really, really good.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Yeah
I am not sure Kaman’s quite the answer either, but I do like him a shade more than Bogut, maybe just because I’ve seen Kaman have some really good games (in the select few I’ve seen) and I’ve seen many more Bogut games and never been overwhelmed….
But having any help inside would work.
I think having Bogut like you say might not be bad, but again it’s all dependent on Tyrus (like it’s been the past 2+ years).
If Tyrus doesn’t become as good as his raw skills can indicate, we’ll be locked in at mediocrity…
How?
I just said they can go all Superstar in 2010. And mediocrity is, at best, average. I’m pretty sure having two 2nd/3rd-option-type players PLUS Derrick Rose makes them AT LEAST average. If Thomas makes the leap OR they get a SUPA STAW!, they’ll be really effin’ good. And young, to boot.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
We can't really
Have Kaman with Deng and have a hope of getting that superstar…..
I know Hughes $15M comes off the books, but we have to remember in 2 years that we have to start worrying about the max deal Rose seems at this stage destined for, and that Tyrus Thomas might be another superstar if he pulls it together…..
I'd rather have Bogut than Kaman
I think you gotta get Bogut away from Redd to see his full potential. The Bucks have an array of chuckers and coach that has never utilized low post scoring efficiently.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Well, BG is basically Redd
so your logic is a bit flawed here
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Illini beat me to the punch...
I was trying to think of the wittiest way to say that…
Bogut is an interesting option, i haven’t heard he is available, has anybody heard he is?
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and we also
“have an array of chuckers,” so…
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
a plethora if you will...
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I disagree
I think BG is a much more team oriented offensive player than Michael Redd especially in transition. Redd wasn’t a 2nd round pick by accident. We knew he could shoot. We didn’t know if he could play in a system and shoot efficiently.
I also think BG is a far stronger player with his off hand than Redd. BG is also a better defender.
The styles are similar in the way they get their shots, but BG’s a more durable player that were now seeing what he can really do for us by playing with Rose.
Place Bogut in our 5 man and I think we pick up rebounding, a nice high screen perimeter option, and a player we can dump it down to in the post that can draw help from Deng or Thomas’ primary defenders.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 19, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
How can BG be a better defender than Redd,
when Redd is TALL and Ben is a MIDGET???
[end sarcasm]
by Granny Waiters on Dec 19, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Brad Miller can help the Bulls by not being a good player with a long contract
that they no longer need (Hinrich), an overpaid player at a crowded position (Hughes) or a rapidly declining player (Nocioni).
by Granny Waiters on Dec 18, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Remember when i wrote a fanpost i said 8-2. you probably don't.
well as it turns out I was wrong. Very wrong.
Couple thoughts...
1. Glad to see Paxon acknowledge that the are active in talks… now I hope he finds a taker for Nocioni… which leads me to my real point…. which is thank the lord that Nocioni just had his best game in a long time against the Clippers… hopefully now they want to give us Camby or Kaman in a package for Nocioni.
I also have to give Andres some serious credit for working the officials… usually his flop and complain bit annoys me, but I enjoyed watching him tell the Refs, over and over to watch Randolph for swinging the right elbow when he drives. Then Nocioni had a crucial flop in overtime and the Refs took the bait. He definitely got under Randolphs skin, and definitely worked the crew well.
2. Camby and Randolph owned us for 4 and a half quarters… I feel bad for laughing all those “let’s trade for Zack Randolph” fanposts over the years. And I now hope even more that we go hard after Marcus Camby. His help defense would be so great on this team with guards driving past Rose and Gordon.
3. Deng proved some doubters wrong tonight… they’re were people on this blog who said he only likes to score in the first three quarters, well, take that… he didn’t do anything in regulation, then had two crucial jumpers in overtime.
4. I hate Neil Funk. And I’m sick of Stacey King… I watched the first half online with the Clippers announcers, and even though they didn’t seem to know that much about our team, they were much less annoying than FunkyKing.
5. I hope Tyrus is back soon, I remember when Gooden hit him the other day, it looked damn painful, hopefully he doesn’t forget how effective he has been running the floor and being active around the hoop.
Camby's defense
not that he isn’t better than what the Bulls have, but interesting thoughts from Clipperblog:
Though it might be unseemly to diminish Marcus Camby’s 19 point and 27 rebound performance, his man-to-man defensive effort is a repeat of Luis Scola Night. Camby cedes everything beyond 12 feet to a power forward in Drew Gooden who can drain shots from 17 with regularity. And Camby’s negligence outside the paint isn’t merely a first quarter issue, when Gooden does most of his damage. There’s a crucial Chicago possession at [4th, 4:55] with the Clips leading by four when Camby’s defensive assignment is Nocioni. Ben Gordon and Nocioni run a high S/R on the near side perimeter against EJ/Camby. Nocioni glides to his right off the screen along the arc. What does Camby do? He backs off about five feet to the right elbow [anticipating the Gordon dribble-drive? Seriously?], leaving Nocioni alone up top at his favorite spot for an uncontested 3PA — his second triple in under 90 seconds.
Nuggets fans (the smarter ones) were not that upset to lose Camby either, particularly for this type of screen/roll defense.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
and it's this type of thing
that kinda made me question his winning of DPOY. sure he’s a great rebounder and does some other great things, but that type of defense makes me wonder whether he should have won it.
he was able to rack up really high block/rebound numbers
as Denver played at such a high pace.
It really should go to Duncan every year, anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Duncan
Or KG that is.
Duncan’s the most fundamental player ever, but KG barks, I mean leads, the best defensive team on the planet, so KG could win it every year….
lolz rec'd
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 18, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
You must have missed
You guys are too hung up on stats and other bullsh
!! Bottom line is that basketball is a game where the best players have what I call the "Dog" in them. That means that they take the bull by the horns and make it do what they want it to do….
by lexdiamonds0730
by Granny Waiters on Dec 20, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i remember that play
Ben had a little behind-the-back dish to Noc for the three. I don’t know, that blog quote seemed to be knitpicking. I would think that most defenders would play Ben for the drive and opt to leave Noc open…I’ll take my chances with Noc knocking down that shot.
Though the argument can be had that Noc kind of had it on automatic in the 4th last night, so from that perspective the decision is questionable.
Whatever though…27 rebs outweighs any missed assignments that he may have had last night.
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by NormVanBeer on Dec 18, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
The scouting report probably said...
Nocioni loves to chuck the three ball but isn’t hitting them this year…
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I get so
happy when Andres has the rare good game….
I really wished I saw it (I had a work function last night and only heard Swirsky rave about Noc on the radio and saw the clip of the momentum swinging block on ESPN….hopefully this is the start of a return of the old CHAPU.
Though, yeah with Deng Noc needs to get shopped…..either way :(….
You and me both, buddy.
The only reason I haven’t been viciously defending Noce in the game thread yesterday is because I was still basking in Noce’s amazing game… (didn’t get to see the game but learned of Noce’s exploits so I read the thread knowing all Noce haters were gonna get a helping of humble pie)
And now, I’m bracing myself for the next stretch of bad games from my favorite Argentinian.
Good catch...
I really like the Clipper blog, some good basketball analysis there.
I think Marcus Camby is the best player that is realistically available to us to fix our frontcourt problems. I don’t think there is a trade to be made for Kaman, and, as much as I really really like Brad Miller (was mad when we traded him), I think Camby helps us more.
But, yeah, he was going for a career high in rebounds last night, so he wasn’t gonna stray far from the hoop. Selfish, sure, but at least his brand of selfish results in a shit-ton of rebounds.
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The one thing I like about Miller is that he's offensive-minded.
This team needs efficient offense in the post more than D, in my opinion. I think the D will eventually come around to at least a respectable level while Thomas and Noah finally come around. Even if that happens, I still think the offense will suffer.
The interior D is bad. The offense is just as bad. I think the D will improve. I don’t think the O will much. Therefore, things being as they are, I’d rather take Miller.
But to each his own.
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Also, he would be a much more effective guy to run the pick & pop with
than, say, our man Drew Gooden.
One, he can actually set real picks, and two, he’ll make better decisions with the ball. He’s also a much, much better passer than Drew and isn’t a black hole. He would be a great get for this roster, so hopefully Pax makes it happen.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
That's fair...
Tyger and Illini, you both make good points…
I am really happy that Tyrus and Noah have had a few good games lately… but overall, I feel like I still can’t trust them as the “future.” I don’t want to trade either one if we don’t have too, but I also don’t want to make any moves that are in any way contingent on them eventually “getting it”.
One of my biggest issues this year is I’m tired of watching people get by Rose, Gordon, Hughes, or Nocioni, and have a clear path to the hoop. And people like Zack Randolph make us look silly for 4 quarters (thank god Noc got under his skin in overtime).
So I would love to have Camby to fix those problems, (I think he is more active on D than Miller and more suited to run with Rose and Co.) and while he isn’t an offensive dynamo, I do like the way he positions himself on offense. He’s never in the way, but he’s always there for the rebound or put back. And he had a damn fine alley oop last night.
Our interior offense from our bigs is terrible. And you have a point there for sure, But I think that interior scoring doesn’t necessarily have to come from the post. I think Rose driving, Luol (hopefully) slashing, and the combo of Tyrus and Marcus catching alley-oops could get the job done.
I also think the offense will be much better in general when Deng realizes how to play with Rose. I was worried for a while, but he is showing incremental progress now. So, I’m willing to think he’ll get back to a consitant 18 points and 7 rebounds a game by the end of the year. And if Tyrus stays like this, it won’t be a stretch to think he’ll get 14 to 16 points per game. Keep Gordon around 20 and Rose around 18, and your offense isn’t so terrible. And that’s not even counting every third game, when Gooden plays really well, and every 22nd game when Nocioni plays well ;-)
But yeah, I won’t be upset if they trade for Miller, as long as they give up Nocioni, Hinrich, or Hughes, and not both Noah and Tyrus.
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Lineup Madness!
I know Vinny is a first time coach, but he is making mistakes a rookie coach shouldn’t even make.
Watch basketball at any single level, whether it be 5th grade girls still learning how to dribble, Jr. high, High School, College or the NBA, coaches try to do one thing as much as possible: get the best 5 players out on the floor together!! At a certain point, unless you would be playing waaaaaay to small or waaaaaay to slow, put your best 5 out there tp start the game and keep them out there. Period.
Even Vinny clearly does not think Aaron Gray is one of the top players, or he would be playing him more, so why is he starting? Rose, Gordon, Deng, and Thomas should be out on the floor together to start the game. Then it comes down to Noah vs Gooden. I believe the tie has to g
oops
the tie has to go to Noah, since we need to see what he is capable of this season.
Vinny, put your best 5 players on the floor as much as possible!
“Joakim came in and gave us a good effort,” said Del Negro. “But I thought our smaller lineup was playing scrappier.”
ugh.
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Bulletproof vests protect you from getting shot.
Sweater vests protect you from pretty girls."
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 18, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What?
Noah is the definition of scrappy. Seriously.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
It just shows you that
at this point and time we are in the same grouping as far as talent level as the Bobcats and Clippers. We might be a tid better but not much. Hopefully we keep improving.
by J Theory on Dec 18, 2008 9:11 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
They had to do a lot better than 4-4 on this stretch
Now they’re going to start playing good teams. The Celtics (unlike the Pistons) do not let up against bad teams, they murder them.
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I remember when the Bulls used to do that...
and I don’t mean the dynasty days, but the heyday of the Skilesian era.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I blame Larry...
but I blame him for pretty much everything so call me biased.
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by Ugh It Live! on Dec 18, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
I miss Skiles.
And the scrappy-doo Bulls team he created.
I came to work and threw up in my mouth
When my boss who doesn’t watch alot of games and hates Noah, TT, and BG in no particular order. Then he thinks that Kirk, Noc, Hughes, and Gooden are great. Thinks the answer to all our problems is a blue chip center (Where to get one he does not know, just thinks we should have got one). Wanted Beasley instead of Rose and still thinks we should have drafted him. When I throw out Bosh or Amare as possibilities in the future, he says he is sick of waiting ( I agree but last years shit fest + getting lucky with Rose changed things) and calls them “tweeners”. I don’t know what to do with my life, its like bizzaro Blog-a-bull at my job.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Dec 18, 2008 10:02 AM CST reply actions
Also firmly believes
the only reason we won last night was because of how amazing Noc was the whole game… his words, not mine…
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Dec 18, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Just keep telling yourself
If your boss thinks it….theres a decent chance there are GMs & FO people around the league who are dumb enough to be fooled too.
You just made my day
I was so pissed I didn’t even think about that.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Dec 18, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
He might be right, you know.
Can’t take anything away from Gordon, Rose or Deng either.
oh, Vinny. Way to butter yourself up to management.
via Sam:
Joakim came in and gave us a good effort, but I thought our smaller lineup was playing scrappier.
Emphasis mine. Emphasis that I may need a new favorite team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 10:14 AM CST reply actions
take the 's' out and we have a good quote!
"Life vests protect you from drowning.
Bulletproof vests protect you from getting shot.
Sweater vests protect you from pretty girls."
by chibullsfan03 on Dec 18, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh Noc. Way to butter yourself up to...uhhh...anyone who cares
I think I need to give a lot of good defense for this team. If I play good D, everyone else will play good D
If Noc plays good D, this earth as we know it is over…
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by NormVanBeer on Dec 18, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
first Drew Gooden will teach everyone good D
then Noc will lead it by example.
it’s a fool-proof plan.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Noce is pretty honest about his own abilities
And doesn’t typically suffer from delusions of grandeur. It could be that he was acknowledging that his defensive lapses lead to an overall breakdown in the team’s defense.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 18, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
I think he is saying that if he can stop being a liability on defense, the others (like TT, Gooden and Noah) might not have to sacrifice their own defense to make up for his lapses.
the real question is
why dumb ass Thornton took the last shot…what a moron. Z-Bo had been killing Gooden and whomever else we trotted out there on him all game. If he gets the last shot I see no reason to believe that the game would’ve went into OT.
Good thing their team is more disfunctional than ours…
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Dunleavy's call
Had to be. Randolph was even directing the traffic on the final play because it looked like Thornton and Gordon forgot the play wasn’t designed for Randolph.
I suppose Randolph could have changed the play and created the confusion, but he was getting buckets or FT attempts whenever he wanted in the final 3 minutes.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Sam Smith (you can find the link above)
reported that Dunleavy called the play for Randolph, and Thornton just ignored it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
He's like Ben Gordon!
Only not as good. But Ben Gordon is unique in his coach-defying ways. I knowz dis.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
from Sam's blog:
“We made too many mental errors,” said Dunleavy. “At the end of regulation the last play was called for Zach Randolph and didn’t run that way. Zach was hurting them all night. (But) we have 12 new players, 12, and it’s hard to integrate that many new people.”
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by NormVanBeer on Dec 18, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Him looking like Tony Soprano doesn't help matters much either
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 18, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Good post and fun(ish) game
anybody see Rose push gordon away when he made that 3pt play in OT?
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by Belize on Dec 18, 2008 10:59 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rules Question
Anyone know why Nocioni was issued a technical foul on a play where Al Thorton got around him, Noc fouled him, and then tried to deny Thorton the continuation, but then then was issued a technical foul?
The Celtics did this all of last season where they’d basically wrestle the offensive player after the foul to deny any continuation. Sometimes the wrestling Celtic was the same player that was guilty of the foul. Many times it was another Celtic player.
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probably just for general whining
I’d T him every time he pulled that shit.
You’re right if it was simply because the fouling of the continuation…James Posey is the master of it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
The whining
He didn’t whine on the call. He knew he fouled him. He just didn’t want to give him the continuation.
He did turn surprised about the technical.
The league needs to clarify the rule here. The Celtics are still doing this. They did it all last night against the Hawks.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
he just has a whiney face then
I swear, I’d T him up during the layup line pregame.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
heh
seriously, he’s been way past over the top with his consistent whining this season already. I want to punch him in the face as soon as I see his palms go toward the ceiling
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by NormVanBeer on Dec 18, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
what's even worse
is that Aaron Gray seems to do this alot also. He clearly fouled Eric Gordon on a breakaway and made the ‘whaaaaaa?’ face, like he was just told there were no free refills on root beer. This is sort of an implicit endorsement of the superstar system, but the correct reply from an official in that situation is: ‘dude, you’re Aaron Gray’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lol @ no refills on root beer
Aaron Gray ought to be happy to get IN the game, let alone feel that he should get a call
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by NormVanBeer on Dec 18, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Whenever he makes that face
he reminds me of Judge Reinhold working at the fast food place in Fast Times. Although it could be that I just picture Gray at fast food places whenever hes not playing. Not to go off on too much of a tangent, but I imagine Gray as the most excited person in the building when the Bulls hit 100.
by JeffD on Dec 18, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Bulls Nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Woo hoo hoo
What’s that you say, our GM John Pax? Michael’s girth was traded all away
Hey hey hey
Hey hey hey…
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by torch on Dec 19, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Noc
has a bad rap after he lead the league in flops the past 4 years….
He also was complaining much more than ever last year, and other teams Hate him.
He needs to try to play a few games of clean basketball again to get some of the officials respect back. THe incredibly hard fouls he gives to folks are making him a bit of a target for the reps to T these days…..
He used to have the incredibly hard foul games and teper them with 3-4 really good solid bball games, but that hasn’t happened officially yet.
At least he’s been critical of his game:
"Yes, I know, but it is just one game. I’m struggling right now with my game so I need a game like this for my confidence."—from Bulls.com. At least someone’s honest about his poor play.
It's funny because his flops got us the win
He earned 2 offensive fouls that shouldn’t have been called. Yes, the 2nd time Randolph elbowed him, but Noce just had an amazing flop and angry face. Randolph was so pissed, he was definitely ready to kick Chapu’s ass.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 18, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I know
When the flop is on, Noc can be fun if it works for us. He and Manu are amazingly efficient floppers for their careers. Noc though has lost some of that this year….
The second one he had no control over
That was bad call, but from the angle the official called it it could have been seen as a push.
The flop was just crafty. I was waiting for one of our guys to take those flying elbows from Randolph all game. It’s one of the ways you limit him. His game is weak down low when you just get in position to make him go left and he slams into you. He’s no threat to go right when he’s positioning on the low right block. He’s going middle, passing out, or taking a step back shot.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
That's vintage Nocioni for you.
First to tell you when he’s good, first to tell you when he’s crap.
And don’t forget, he hit a couple of clutch 3point bombs plus that monster block that led to another bucket so he got a monster boost for his offensive and defensive ego.
The best part about the production
is that he brought it when the team needed it most. If those same shots don’t fall, he might end up getting the blame because his defensive footwork is just garbage playing the 3 right now.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 19, 2008 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
and he had 4 rebounds in 35 minutes (or something like that)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 19, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
That is rebounding
like a shorter Eddy Curry.
by Granny Waiters on Dec 19, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
Did anyone notice Vinny's faux hissing coaching encouragement in the OT?
I need to cut a video of the footage because Vinny looked like he was snapping his head forward, gritting his teeth, and then hissing at his players to encourage them.
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Rose's play over the last two weeks has been disheartening.
In my view, he has become too passive, settling too often for jump shots, especially the jumper at the elbow. In part, this is due to the fact that opposing teams have adjusted defensively now that they have had the opportunity to scout Rose. In part, it may be due to rookie fatigue.
Don’t get me wrong, Rose is still an excellent prospect, but I would like to see him consistently dominate the lane on offense. Defensively, he needs to improve his ability to guard man to man on the perimeter.
(Also, and this is entirely irrational, it bothers me that he has had poor games when he happens to be facing teams with other rookie guards.)
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