A Radical 2010 Plan?
Its been on my mind for quite awhile. Ever sense Sam Smith wrote about the bulls being ballsy and getting joe johnson and Chris Bosh, ive been considering if the bulls actually thought a plan like that was possible. Thus I propose the following plan, which may not be liked by anyone.
First, let me admit that, like every 2010 plan, there is alot of gamble in the following proposition. However, i think its a gamble worth taking because, at least in my mind, its pretty darn logical.
The first step in this plan is the one concept that i think this site will have trouble swallowing. That is, at the end of the season, let ben gordon go. Simply put, ben gordon is not a great compliment to rose, and this has nothing to do with his size (although he is short). The problem with the gordon/rose backcourt is the simple fact that gordon does not hide any of roses' weaknesses. He doesnt help roses game at all. I think someone is bound to make the argument that gordon draws attention to on the offensive end and that opens things up for rose, but really, any starting sg should be able to do that. The bulls have no real option at sg other than bg and hughes at the moment, and ben gordon is better at drawing the defense simply because he is the best sg on the team. Defensively gordon and rose dont help each other, and offensively gordon is a liability when he is doing anything but looking for his shot. Sure gordon can make passes, but too often he does too much and commits a turnover, and how many times has he gotten the ball from rose and went full head of steam into the offense, never really trying to set rose up.
Couple that idea with gordon and his contract, and simply put, im tired of overpaying players. Going back in time, i would say noch deserves the contract duhon is playing with now, hinrich deserves noch's contract, deng deserves hinrichs contract, and well gordon can settle for something along the lines of what he was offered two seasons ago. However, none of htat can be true, and gordon wont take the contract from two years ago. And despite how much growth and potential he may have, i dont think his playing style will ever fit nicely with rose, so before we give a contract to regret, do what you shouldve arguablly done with so many others, and just let him go.
Next Trade nocioni. Couple him with a few first round picks or whatever (does anyone here want anymore draft picks coming in and not playing?) and ship him off for expiring contracts. Noch doesnt suck, he is actually an awesome role player. The problem is that his contract is a bit too big and a bit too long for a guy who will never start for this team. After that is gooden. Ultimately i think we should also let gooden go, but if he is willing to sign for a much cheaper contract (which most likely he wont) id sign him cuz he can at least be an option on the team for a few years.
Noah and tyrus i would ultimately keep (if you keep gooden then trade one of them) i think they deserve one more year to prove if they are busts or not, and they are young enough to be patient with. Although if to get rid of noch you had to get rid of one, i would do it.
Hopefully these moves take place this offseason, or at least the start of the next season. Then next season, without gooden, without gordon, without noch, we would ultimately SUCK. It would be a pretty devastating season, and i wouldnt see the bulls going into the playoffs, but i can see a few things happening that may benefit the bulls. The obvious should be development. Sort of like when a.i. left philly, iggy really got a chance to up his game, mainly because no one expected that team to do anything, and special talents get the chance to go out and play and try to produce. This year we have the same roster as the one that beat miami two years ago (or at least close to that roster) but after we lose so many pieces, the 2009/2010 bulls will be a mold, with d. rose being hte only real player. Hughes will get to play out (that is if we keep him, if we trade him now it would be fine too) hinrich could remain on the team because theres a law of physics that says that the bulls must always have either hinrich or gordon on the team (okay actually he can get traded if we keep gordon, but if we take the easier route, get rid of gordon and keep hinrich who will be cheaper than gordon, we at least have a good combo guard who will benefit us later in my plan) and tyrus and noah get plenty of time to go out, make mistakes and learn, since there really is no one else on the team
Larry hughes if not traded will eventually expire in 2010, and we have no reason to bring him back, thus going into that magical offseason, we would have alot of capspace. Im sure i did the math wrong, but i think we would have over 37 million dollars of cap open. Thats when we go into free agency. Chris bosh should be our main target, who has so much skill that he can play center or pf, inside or outside, and can play equally good on both ends of the court. Joe Johnson i would prefer to get, but i am sure that every team that needs a sg will be making runs for him, and i think the cavs or the knicks will be the high bidders (especially since we will exaust more money into bosh) so in that case i would say get a t-mac. T-mac should be fine for at least the next 3-4 years, though he is injury prone he wont have to attack as much or as hard as in houston since he will be with a healty center and a pg who can finish probably better than him. T-mac will always attract double teams, and he is a solid defender (and that has nothing to do with height)
Now you must be thinking, if the bulls suck so damn much, why would anyone want to come to the bulls. Well the answer is obvious. First off chicago is like the 3rd biggest market for basketball (NY and LA i think are the only ones above chitown) so T-mac will be able to endorse alot of products here (he has to be thinking about business after basketball at this stage in his career) and someone like bosh will be in a market where his talents will be more recognised. The revenue those players will get will be amazing. Next the bulls will no doubt show that they have the potential to be a great team (thomas and noah should be playing at a high level regularly rather than occasionally at this point) with a solid sf in deng. And d. rose will be in the top 5 pg rank, and rising! Meaning adding two more superstars will make the bulls contenders...i mean take a look at a lineup like this
Rose
T-Mac
Deng
Noah or Thomas
Bosh
thats formidable right there, add maybe a hinrich (if he is still on the team) as a guy who can come out play some defense, run the point, or knock down some threes (there should be alot more open shots for him) and add gray as another big who only has to play 5 min, and maybe even throw in a thabo that has some sort of consistency, and thats a nice 8-9 man rotation that can compete with anyone, and is young enough to do it for 82 games.
Eh but its pretty out there i think, logical in my eyes, but a gamble and it includes one year of total crap from this team. Not to mention that it has alot to do with thomas and noah and even deng and rose developing the way they should rather then the way they have. But if you look at what the bulls have been doing lately, it almost seems that they are on a track with a plan like this. Not paying gordon, playing noch so much, trying to accomadate hughes.....i dont know....
But Bosh has to come here in 2010, and we need to get a better sg, cuz ben gordon (nor kirk, nor hughes nor thabo) wont compliment rose good enough to ever really compete. Thats my radical thinking, bash away!
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I like the thoughts
I don’t agree with all of them, but I like.
What type of shooting guard would play well with rose?
by Jamaicanpi on Dec 11, 2008 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
reliable 3 pt shooter, defender.
Anything else is gravy.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Dec 11, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he'd have to be tall
And no, that time im not joking. And no, its not really about defense. Having a big strong guard means you have a player who wont be posted up, it also adds versatility in your backcourt not in the sense of how you can play the other team, but how they have to play you. Say the bulls right now play the lakers, gordon/ rose vs fisher/kobe. Phil Jackson might decide to go man to man, and put fisher on gordon and kobe on d. rose because he simply could. Kobe would definetly limit rose and what he could do, and fisher is a real good defender who can take care of gordon. Or how about playing the celtics, Ray Allen and rondo will make life miserable for gordon and rose.
Thabo ideally would be a good fit with rose, if he was ever consistent with what he brought, i hate just flashes of his abilities, that only appear once every two weeks. And hughes might as well be 6’3 since he never really utilizes his length.
Aside from that physical attribute, he would have to be a solid defender. Not just average, but someone who could at least keep up with kobe bryant on defense. No one can really stop the kobes of the league on thier own, but if they can be as effective as thabo was last year against bryant, that will be perfect.
Next is the way they score. It cant be someone who needs to dominate the ball, someone who can score by catch and shoot, or is great at finding the holes in the offense, running through and catching the ball for a layup. And they have to be someone who the defense has to commit to. They dont have to double that player, but if that sg can just pull his defender away from the middle or rose, it would give rose more chances to create or finish and play to his strength. I think once rose is up in the air its impossible to stop him without a hard foul, so teams try to attack rose before he gets a chance for liftoff.
Finally is just awareness and intellegence. Someone who can bring the ball up if they need to, pass the ball if they see the chance, or simply hold on without stagnating the offense or creating a turnover, this is the biggest weakness i see with gordon, who often becomes out of control when he puts the ball down. If rose could throw it to his sg, and take some time to read the defense, he could probably do alot more damage assuming the player recognises to give rose the ball back.
Basically its like taking the physical abilities of thabo, the mindset of kirk hinrich, the confidence and demeanor of a larry hughes, and the offensive scoring ability of ben gordon and rolling it into one.
Rare player? yes, but there is at least two available in 2010, Joe Johnson and T-Mac
That i think is the perfect compliment for rose, sorry if it was a bit long of a post, i tend to do that…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Dec 11, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah...
to me that sounds like Brandon Roy… although there is no way Portland lets him go… so Joe Johnson is next on that list… I think in 2010 Tmac will be a pretty big drop off from the talent level of Joe Johnson.
I wouldn’t be terribly surprised (or disappointed) if the Bulls come out of 2010 with “just” Joe Johnson.
by kidronmusic on Dec 12, 2008 6:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade for Michael Redd?
He kind of fits your description. His contract goes up to 2010 but with an 18 million player option for 2011. Milwaukee might want out from under his massive contract. He’s overpaid, but is exactly the kind of tall 3pt marksman that would fit perfectly with Rose.
by MuleTrain on Dec 12, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Redd's defense is terrible
So he doesn’t fit with the post above
by Jamaicanpi on Dec 12, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No because who spends 18 million for a spot up shooter
Or, in Redd’s case, a tall Ben Gordon. The two guard in question would maybe be someone like Stephen Jackson or Mikael Pietrus.
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 12, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like most of it
McGrady scares me, he is so injury prone, and JJ only has so much time left. But, with either one of them playing alongside Rose, Deng, Bosh, and any NBA caliber center you have a serious contender. Bosh may be capable of playing center, but he excels when he is at his true position, PF.
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by bennythebull on Dec 11, 2008 5:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Please no TMac. Besides being injury prone. He is playoff cancer.
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by dfjmed on Dec 16, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your thoughts...
To give a simple future picture:
If we traded away Noc, Kirk, TT for expiring contracts alone (prior to 2010), did not resign BG, Larry and Gooden, and traded away our 2009 draft pick, we would only have the following commitments in 2010:
Deng: 11,300,000
Rose: 5,500,000
Sefolosha: 3,800,000 QO
Noah: 3,100,000
2010 Draft pick: ?
Total: 23,700,000
Salary Cap 2010: ?
What would I do:
1. Trade BG ASAP!!!! I can’t stand BG for many reasons that I won’t go into now. BG would have to agree to any trade. And yes, he would lose his Bird rights. However, if Pax makes it clear to him that he is not part of the future of this team (boy I hope so), his Bird rights won’t come into play anyways, as the Bulls are the only team that can offer him a 6th year.
2. I would keep Hughes on this team through next year (can’t believe I’m saying this). Expiring contracts are very valuable when a team wants to unload a star player (e.g. Gasol). It is wise to be ready! I also believe that because Larry’s contract is coming to an end, he will play better. Without BG then, you only have 3 main guards.
3. Trade Noc: At this point, if we only received expiring contracts in return, I would be happy. Although, I believe he could fit nicely on some team that may be willing to give back more.
4. Trade Kirk: Next year. I can’t believe some of you would only ask for expiring contracts in return. He is much more valuable than that!! I would also ask either for young talent and/or future draft picks. However, I do like the Kirk for Kaman trade.
5. I believe there is hope for Noah. I don’t believe at all that TT will be a starting PF on any team in the NBA.
I think only going for one "superstar" in 2010 would be wise. Going for 2 would be very risky! Besides, we already have Rose. Therefore, I would trade for Kaman (adding about 13,000,000 in salary for 2010). I believe this would still give us room to add one max salary in 2010. Assuming there is no chance at getting LBJ or Wade, Bosh would be my 3rd choice.
NO to Tmac, please!!
by StephenAA on Dec 11, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Priority 1-100 for this team
Is finding a big man who can finish at the rim consistently (as in upwards of 49%) and rebound well for his size. Defense in the post, someone who can command double teams, that’s all gravy. We don’t have any reliable finishers other than Rose (and I guess Deng), thus our offense continues to be mediocre despite heady play from Rose.
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2008 9:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls should try to get David Lee from the Knicks
by fundamentallysound on Dec 11, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's untouchable at this point, plus a RFA the Knicks can just match
If Paxson isn’t going to make any major moves, then going for a band-aid kind of guy like Craig Smith should be the next course of action.
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lee can be had for a 2010 expiring contract.
But you have to take Eddy Curry with him. And then re-sign Lee this offseason. Very expensive move to make.
by CJ Bulls on Dec 12, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, he doesn't really play defense.
Honestly, I’d rather have Udonis Haslem.
by arjoseph on Dec 12, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Piccolomair
Another excellent post, at least as good as your Marion post.
I think your time frame is accurate-next summer. But I would use all the players you mention and camp on Kaman’s doorstep. I’ve lost almost all faith in TT and Noah. You talk about development next year. If we can’t do it this year…. It’s a good place to start.
by hlac on Dec 11, 2008 10:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not enough money for two.
At this point, unless Noc or Kirk is dealt, there will not be enough money for two stars such as those two. Deng+Kirk+Noc+Rose contracts = nearly 1/2 of the money in 2010 (around 33 million) before the luxury tax kicks in so we would basically need 9 players at the league minimum to have room to sign two stars at what they’ll be asking to give us 15 players on the roster. If only having one star is our option I’d put my eggs in the Dwayne Wade basket. The guy is from Chicago and is winning in Miami right now with absolutely nobody around him. (that includes Marion). Wade in 2010, start making t-shirts.
by oakdale on Dec 12, 2008 2:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Picc, I really liked this post.
I agree that one of the problems with the Bulls is that they’ve overpaid for talent. I do differ with you on a couple of big-picture aspects, though. I guess I’d be curious about what your thoughts are on a couple of these.
First off, there isn’t a lack of talent on the Bulls; the problem is that the talent they have are headcases. By that I mean Thomas and Noah. So on the one hand, it’s curious that you want to keep these guys given the fact that they generally can’t get on the court these days. On the other hand, no one’s beating down our doors to get them. So maybe Thomas and Noah should be the ones to just let walk, and not Gordon.
Second, T-Mac is on his last legs. As reported by Sam Smith (I think) and others (I think), he’s considered retiring due to both the mental grind and the physical grind of his injuries. He’s not the answer. Not long term, not short term.
On top of that, talented swingmen between 6’4 and 6’7 are generally available in the draft and in the international pool of talent. At least much more so than classic 1’s, 4’s or 5’s. So I wouldn’t premise the rebuilding upon attaining a talented swingman, unless it was a perennial All-Star not named T-Mac.
Just some thoughts that come to mind…
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by bullhockey on Dec 12, 2008 10:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just Bosh
Honestly, I think our 2010 target should be Bosh and only Bosh. Rose IS a superstar and has more room to grow, particularly once the roster is groomed around him. I’d like Lebron, but he is out of our range. Wade, Joe Johnson, and T-Mac would provide us with the best backcourt in the league, but leave us without a front court to speak of. I believe that Rose and Bosh are both team players that would compliment each other extremely well. Bosh can draw double-teams in the post, hit the open jumper when Rose drives, and defend the rim, which is imperative in winning.
Furthermore, there is only so much money. Eventually, we’ll have to give a max contract to Rose, and we’ll have to give a boatload of cash to Bosh, adding another superstar would be financially difficult.
As an extra point, our scouts should be scouring the world looking for are sharpshooting defenders. There has to be an athletic college player, with a three-point shot, they exist, our scouts need to find them. Someone we could pick up with a 2nd round pick or late 1st round. We have two more drafts before the free-agency class of 2010 hits the market.
by chowder on Dec 12, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree 100% Bosh is the one
He has also never played with a top tier PG. He could be even better here in Chicago….
As far as the big men discussed here go:
Boozer has elevated his game under Williams.
Amare played with Nash.
My point is Bosh is as good as or better and he has never had a real playmaker to help pad his numbers. Bosh also doesn’t seem to have any ego or attitude problems so far in his career.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Dec 12, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
top tier pg?
Calderon? The guy averages almost ten dimes a game, that would generally be towards the top of the tier.
by oakdale on Dec 12, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He Calderon is definitely good, very good. I just don’t put him in the same class as Deron Williams, Nash in his prime, or what I believe Rose will be.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Dec 12, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case
not many players really do get to play with a top tier PG.
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by thecoolest on Dec 12, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Bosh would be great, but
apparently LeBron thinks so, too. Thus the Bosh & LeBron to New York rumors.
Would Bosh forego that opportunity to play with Rose in Chicago? I’m guessing no…
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by bullhockey on Dec 12, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shooting guards
In many ways Brandon Rush is the type of player we are looking for. He’s a very good defender, and a very good shooter. His current TS% is 50, but I think he’s got room to grow and that number will improve (he’s hitting 37.5 from 3).
The other guard that I think looks intriguing offers little defense, but I think could be a very good offensive weapon. Chase Budinger is athletic and a gifted shooter who also possesses good court vision.
by Jamaicanpi on Dec 12, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And...
Both of those players are probably best off the ball meaning more Rose.
by Jamaicanpi on Dec 12, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is going to take time
Regardless of who is playing with Rose it is going to take time for them to build up chemistry and get used to playing with each oher. This is the main factor I see with Rose, Gordon, and Deng, they have not played together a lot. As a point guard in the NBA you ave to know your opponets as well as your teammates, because you have to get them the ball in the best positions for them to succeed. Why would you have Rose play a year with a group of good players he is learning to play with and then have to start over with another group. The Bulls should have a core group of players and build around them because one player can not win a championship by himself. That Core Group should be Rose, Gordon, Deng, Noah or Thomas or both, and maybe Noch. I agree Bosh would be a great fit with this team, and if we could get Wade that would be great 2. But I would go hard after Bosh in 2010 first because he is the post superstar we need to go along with Rose. I would try to trade Hinrich or Noch in the next couple of years to get rid of their salary and make more cap space. Our line up in 2010 would be
Rose Hinrich?
Gordon Thabo
Deng Noch?
Thomas veteran?
Bosh Noah/Gray
by mustanging5 on Dec 12, 2008 12:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
When I started to think "radical, I started to think screw 2010
The big problem with 2010, of course, is the uncertainty. We let good players go and maybe or maybe not get something back.
If we want certainty, we know for a fact that several teams are willing to saw off their arms to get in the 2010 race. So maybe the really crazy play would be to capitalize on this as best we can.
- Bulls trade Nocioni and Gooden for Andrei Kirilenko. Very simple… the Jazz need to cut salary to make it in a small market and resign Boozer and Paul Milsap. Gooden’s expiring contract does this, and gives them a half-assed backup plan if they can’t.
- Bulls trade Tyrus, Gray and Simmons for Wilson Chandler and Jared Jeffries. If it’d require taking Curry to get Lee, shouldn’t we at least get Chandler if we’re willing to take Jeffries? That’d still knock off several million off their 2010 cap and he’d appear to be very replaceable with Harrington, Tim Thomas, and eventually Gallinari on their roster.
- Bulls trade Larry Hughes for Vince Carter and Josh Boone. The Nets are a lot like the Knicks and would give quite a bit to be rid of Carter for a shorter term deal. Hughes has that deal. With Lopez and Yi up front, Boone is at best the 3rd wheel for them even though he’s a very solid looking player to me.
Put all those trades together and at the end of the day, we get
1- Rose, Hinrich
2- Carter, Gordon
3- Deng, Thabo
4- AK-47, Chandler
5- Boone, Noah, Jeffries
Call me a cock-eyed optimist, but that team has a hell of a lot of firepower. I could see them winning it all next year, after a season of seasoning. And yes, I know Vince Carter is garbage.
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by Sports2 on Dec 12, 2008 1:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I like it.
Although Jared Jeffries is garbage, too, and is not a center. If Thabo is not garbage he is pretty damn close.
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by bullhockey on Dec 12, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some good thoughts.
I disagree that this is a championship team, but good thoughts. This certainly does seem like a buyer’s market with everyone in the mad dash to cut salary. Talent is cheaper now than in a long time, as long as you have expiring contracts to dish.
Pawning Larry off on the Nets seems like a great insight; nobody ever trusts Carter, even when he’s playing this well, and New Jersey certainly cares about 2010 (I think this is true even if they don’t have their new stadium finished, since Jay-Z is still an owner, and you know they will still work toward a new gym in the future). The risk would be that VC pouts because he didn’t want to move or something, but he’s certainly more talented (even in decline) than Hughes. If we’re going to have an overpaid guard, I’d rather have Vinsanity.
AK-47 could be really good for this team, too. He does the team defense things that we sorely need, and he’s kind of crafty on offense (although not the most skilled guy, he could probably replace the Tyrus/Gooden stats while improving our +/-). But he’s an injury risk.
Chandler is really the wild-card get here. I wonder how much of his production is due to the D’Antoni system, and how much of his skill is translatable to a different place. He’s much more of a 3 than a 4, though. Playing him with Deng and VC would give us an interesting, Orlando-like line up (with a Howard-sized hole in the middle, obviously).
And that’s the main reason this doesn’t put us in the top tier: we would still be very, VERY weak in frontcourt heft. AK-47, Chandler, and Boone would be able to contribute offensively and could certainly help out the team defense (as can Noah, if he ever gets in shape), but we would still be susceptible to random dominations by the likes of Erick Dampier, a big guy with enough skill to hold his own and enough heft to victimize our skinny guys. You need a guy like that (a Perkins, or Turiaf, or Przyzyzyaybylla) if you’re going to get to (much less win) a conference championship.
by arjoseph on Dec 12, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Your right, screw the 2010 plan, would be the definition of a radical 2010 plan….good catch
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way
the Knicks give up Chandler that easily. Even if they are going for 2010, that would just be terrible for them.
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by thecoolest on Dec 12, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2010
I would go for Bosh first…then a SG next….Joe Johnson seems to be the best option…but he needs the ball a lot in his hands…
Wade has the same game as Rose…it would be redundant to have both, plus we would have no frontcourt when has a team with a great backcourt only won a championship…that would be never
T Mac is def. on his last legs…he has arthritis for god’s sakes. He will be retiring in 3 years…no thanks.
We need a solid defensive center who can contribute 8/10 pts(what Noah should be)
by C Smoove on Dec 12, 2008 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Joe Johnson
I think he is considered a better spot up shooter, but due the system in atlanta right now, he is sort of forced into creating his own shots. He still does a real good job in creating his own shot, but from what ive read he is more comfortable in catch and shoot situations….ill try to find a link that proves this.. Tmac on his last legs might actually come cheap, but who knows how good he will be in 3 years, ill try to watch as many houston games as i can this year and observe t-mac. If he still has at least hte ability to draw double teams when he is in the game, and hit tough shots with a sort of ease, i think he still would be worth it (because bosh will be our #1 guy, so he gets most of the money, and so if we get tmac for, value wise, very little, in a short contract, we could also sign maybe some other decent role players….)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that we should get Bosh, but here's a different plan
We could go for something like this:
PG: Rose Hinrich (14 million combined)
SG: Sefolosha draft pick (8 million combined)
SF: Deng Nocioni (19 million combined)
PF: Bosh Thomas (25 million combined)
C: Noah draft pick (8 million combined)
That adds up to 74 million, which is what I think the cap’ll be in 2010. Add in 5 minimum saaries, make people settle for a few thousand less, and we could be a penny away from being over the cap in 2010 with that roster. In 2011, we’ll have to resign Derrick to another contract, but by then we’ll be contenders so Reinsdorf (hopefully) won’t care about paying luxury tax.
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 12, 2008 4:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn it
I wasn’t finished. Thabo, Tyrus, and Joakim will have to develop a lot over the next 2 years, and they need to (gasp!) get a lot of playing time. In 2011, we’ll also have Rose’s bird rights. All in all, I think that is pretty achievable.
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 12, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You only "have" to have
13 players on your roster, so that’s only 3 minimum salaries – much more attainable…
--Torch
by torch on Dec 15, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how you "make people settle for a few thousand less"...
…considering that over the life of the contract, that could easily end up being a couple of million dollars. So you’d be telling a couple different so-and-so’s take $2 million less over the next six years (or whatever) so that Jerry Reinsdorf can avoid the luxury tax (I assume that’s what you were referring to and not any "cap")
Yeah, good luck with that. Guess you’d have to be Chicago-tough to pull that off.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Dec 15, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, you could try and make Reinsdorf not care about paying the luxury tax.
It’s easier to convince people by saiyng “Hey, we can become contenders and all if you sign with us, and you can win a championship! Problem is, we’re a bit over the cap. So, can you take a bit less? Isn’t it worth it to win a championship?”
Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).
by stupidgenius on Dec 15, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Basketball is a business first
I dont know if even Kg would accept a deal like that
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Dec 15, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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