Wacky Trade Scenario (Bulls/Heat)
by CJ Bulls on Nov 5, 2008 11:07 PM CST
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I know I get annoyed by all these, yet I'm still posting one myself. After seeing how horrible this team looks, it's time to make a change. I'm throwing my hat in on a blockbuster. Feel free to slam if necessary.
Heat send:
Beasley
Marion
Blount
Bulls send:
Hinrich
Deng
Gooden
Noah
For the Bulls, it kills two birds with one stone. One, it clears a TON of cap space. And two, it adds a potential star to your roster. Downside, you add two giant potential cancers in Marion and Blount, not to mention the potential Beasley is a cancerous player. Deng can't be traded til 12/15, so you hope Marion and Blount don't have enough time to affect all the young people. Blount and Marion only have 1 year left on their deals and the Bulls will have plenty of minutes available for them so you might just be able to survive those 50 games or so.
Bulls run a
backcourt rotation of Rose, Gordon, Thabo/Hughes
forward rotation of TT, Beasley, Marion??, Nocioni??
center rotation of Gray/Blount (ugh)
This trade of course isn't about this year though. It speeds up the rebuilding process and adds a potentially devastating scorer to pair with Rose. Bulls would be around 15mm under the cap next year (including Gordon as FA) and a giant amount under for 2010. I'd also be very intrigued by the pairing of tweeners Beasley/TT. Their strengths and weaknesses seem to offset each other.
On the Heat side, they now have a serious team. If Wade returns to form, they are now competitive in the Eastern conferece with Hinrich, Wade, Deng, Gooden, Noah. Not to mention a bench of Chalmers, Cook, Wright, and Haslem. The way the team is currently structured, it will be hard for Wade to really stick around. The team has little depth and few character players. Adding 3 professionals (and Noah) would help alleviate some of Wade's concerns regarding 2010.
I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger on this deal, but it is something to think about. Commence slamming.
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that's 4 seconds of skimming
I’ll never get back.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2008 11:38 PM CST reply actions
That's why I spaced out the player exchange
I saved you at least 15 seconds of skimming. Maybe there should be a no trade posts after 11pm of bad losses rule.
I think a poll is in order.
1. Yes! Both teams definitely do it!
2. Maybe they’ll do it.
3. Probably not going to do it.
4. Definitely not going to do it.
5. WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?!
I pick 5. We suck after this. If Pax does this, then I will have lost all faith in him, and the good draft picks (sorta) do not compensate.
Get the rock to Rose!!
We should have done something like this before the draft
I have been screaming my fingers off from the moment that the Bulls won the lottery that they should have traded Deng, and any combination of Hinrich, Gordon, Gooden and Nocioni to Miami for the #2 pick. We would have had to take back Blount’s and Marion’s contracts to make the salary cap work.
Unfortunately Deng has sabotaged any chance of doing this deal now. But I would still make a run at Miami adding Thomas to the offer.
Now that Miami has picked Beasely I think prying him loose is harder than it would have been before the draft, and they are most certainly looking at Marion as salary cap relief. So I don’t think Miami does this deal, because Deng, Hinrich and Nocioni all have contracts that extend into 2010 and beyond, about $27 million in 2010.
I still believe in Noah, so I want to keep him and start him at center, although VDN probably doesn’t want to. So, at least for this season which is obviously going to be a lost season anyway I could live with watching:
Rose, Thabo/Hughes(ugly, I know), Beasely, Marion and Noah, and whatever is left from the offer to Miami. Then we put our cap space to work this summer and next.
Paxson doesn’t have the brass to even think about something this bold.
I think you just needed to scream louder
clearly it was a matter of fortitude.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 6, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
CJ Bulls
I don’t get why everyone on here thinks we can trade guys like Noc and Gooden and somehow magically land a top 20-25 player in Marion and a future top talent in Beasley….
That doesn’t happen. We might be able to trade Noc/Gooden/Noah and Thabo for Marion and a crappy contract, but no way in hell do we get Marion and Beasley, or any young future star for our decent but definately not great role players….
Folks have to be a little more realistic. If our guys were good enough to land real stars in this league at this point, we wouldn’t be the mediocre team we are.
Now Nocioni and Gooden can be nice pieces to get 1 star (With Tyrus or Noah and a future draft pick) and on the right team Noc and Gooden would/could really flourish, but that still doesn’t mean team X is going to give us their star for them (it would also be a PR nitemare).
I mean look at the Nuggets, A.I.‘s a lame duck player on their team, and yet the Nuggets only gave him to the Pistons for Billups and McDyess and crap….and A.I.’s got 1 year left, while Billups is arguably in modern A.I’s league today…..
I know the Nuggets gave Camby away for nothing, but that’s a different scenario because they have 2 ridiculously high post guys (Nene and KMART) that can’t be moved, and to have another $10M man on their books, and $15M Melo, and what is it $20M A.I. was ridiculous for a 8th-10th team out West…..the Camby trade was a giveaway, but it really will save them some real cash. They didn’t want to trade Camby because they aren’t going to get a ton for him anyway (Age, injury issues, contract status) and they likely would have been stuck with a big contract (2 years or more)….
I think based on this trade we should just trade Tyrus-Hughes-Nocioni to the Cavs for James and a future first round draft pick. The Bulls get James, get to keep Gordon and have Rose for the future… the Cavs get Tyrus and he has upside, and they get Hughes back plus Nocioni…..who can fill in at the small 4 taht Lebron’s playing…. that trade is almost as ridiculous as some of these.
What is this, 2002?
wake up…Marion sucks. He’s an expiring contract. Marion was never a top 25 player. In fact, Marion isn’t even a top 25 fantasy player anymore. I didn’t propose the trade to keep Marion. He’s a salary dump.
I also don’t understand how you cite Noc and Gooden, when only one of them is in the deal. I included Hinrich, Deng, Gooden, and Noah. That’s a significant group of players. Deng just received a 12mm per year contract from the Bulls. Marion won’t even see 10mm a year as a free agent this offseason.
Get with the times. Marion is 30 and no longer in Phoenix. It’s all over for him.
The only thing I could envision
Would be Hinrich, Noah, Thomas, and a #1 for Beasley and Blount. But that would depend on three things. First, that they really don’t like Beasley (which isn’t that far-fetched). It would depend on T2 and Noah playing well to show that they’re not busts. Lastly, it would assume that they believe Boozer’s on his way, and that Beasley can’t guard the 3.
Likely? Hell no. Possible? Yes.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I'm for your trade
The #1 would have to be top 3 protected, but that’s about it.
I think Wade might like that, and I know Riley likes Hinrich….
We'd be giving up more talent to get better talent
which is what we need to do. The problem is that Chalmers is playing well. Luol might be the player they’re most interested in – hoping for a Luol/Boozer/Noah frontcourt.
The problem is, that’s the frontcourt I want in Chicago!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 6, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
Well
If they had that kind of interest in Luol, I’d see no problem forcing the Marion issue (we’d give up Thabo too I guess and keep Tyrus), but that would allow us to resign BG, have a nice lineup of Rose-Marion-Gordon-Tyrus to build off of with Nocioni still around.
Not a bad start. If Marion doesn’t work, we have options.
there's a reason
bulls didn’t trade for marion as one of the options in the sign and trade… they foresaw no way to keep him around after this season. can’t see them giving up deng for marion when they have the same problem.
Derrick
Rose might change that pretty quickly…..Bulls foresaw having to slowly work him into shape playing behind Hinrich, then by game 3-4 of the post season it was already painfully clear that he’s our best player already….
Marion would love big market Chicago. He just wants some $$. He wouldn’t have to completely rebuild given our depth here, and he can play a fast break offense, that Rose and VDN seem to be favoring.
Marion’s our 4, maybe Tyrus is our 3, and both are backed by Andres Nocioni (sorry wanted to rhyme there).
Don't think he'll get any more
anywhere else, unless D’Antoni goes beserk in NYC. You also need to factor in T2’s decreasing value to the organization. If he doesn’t develop, which is looking more and more likely, players like Odom and Marion become a possibility.
I wouldn’t have thought that at the beginning of the year. But Derrick’s emergence and T2’s awful play have changed things – for me, at least!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
It's still
awfully early to judge T2 this year…..VDN is still starting him for a reason….and I think we’re trying to both build his confidence by starting him, get him used to the flow, and mostly feature Gooden in a trade talks, so he sits.
I do agree that his value isn’t rising, but I still don’t think it’s fallen more than what it did last year yet.
The only difference
is my deal has Deng and the Heat have Marion. So you think the Heat wouldn’t do Deng for Marion???
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