Open Game Thread #4: Bulls at Cleveland Cavaliers - OVERFLOW
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For better or worse, Gordon is apparently going to shoot
every time he gets the ball.
Sometimes, good, Sometimes, no.
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and dribble alot
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
it was a heat check
i swear!
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
He definately showing that he's not worth more
than they min. offer
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury "The Great"
For all you Gordon apologists
The play with 10.34 remaining in the fourth quarter is emblematic of why he is simply unwatchable and can never be a starter, or for that matter even a contributer on a championship caliber team. You may recall that he stormed into the lane on a drive like a Bull in a china shop and splattered himself on the floor like a sack of bricks dropped from the roof of a three story building lost the ball of his knee, forehead and any other body part not associated with actual ball handling. Naturally no foul was called and Gordon dragged himself to his feet like Jim Brown after a game in which he rushed for 300 yards. Then he threw his hands up in the air with that braindead look on his face that he always gets after one of his patented drives which always end with him sprawled on the floor while the other team races down the floor for an easy transition basket. The fact that this is a normal play for Gordon should leave no room for debate with anyone with even a middling basketball I.Q.
Yea, he make a couple of ridiculous shots tonight, but they were still ridiculous. Even if he was the second coming of Michael Jordan & Wilt Chamberlain combined on offense it wouldn’t make up for his absolute lack of any other discernable basketball skills, zero, zip, nada. Couple that with his complete lack of any internal organs necessary for successfull human activity (i.e. a heart or a brain for starters) and you have the most uselessly one dimesional player in the history of a league full of useless one dimensional humans.
Except his defense.
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wow, our defense is absolutely abysmal. this cavs team's offense is NOT that good.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply actions
we're terrible on defense
not just bad.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 5, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
LeBron was only averaging 22 ppg coming into this game.
The BUlls will cure that.
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Uh, they do have LeBron though
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
doesn't matter this is a bad offensive team. LeBron can't do it all, he can be contained. This is a very bad bulls defense.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
LeBron can be contained?
I thought we went over this last year… Nobody can contain LeBron… Except LeBron.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 5, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
3 guard lineup, KD has been proven prophetic.
Vinny thinks this lineup works now. UGH.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:03 PM CST reply actions
It must be by design that Gordon is running the offense.
He just did it coming out of a break.
A dubious design, but a design.
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Can we please not
cut to Lebron eating his fingers on the bench? Crotch adjusting and now that? The camera guy sucks. He must be playing for his contract or something.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Nov 5, 2008 9:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ty Thomas
Why isn’t he playing a lot? I need to know if he’s being dropped from my fantasy team tonight.
Where will you be when the Sixers hoist the Larry O'Brien trophy? Hopefully Liberty Ballers.
If it's a 10-team league with normal depth:
drop him. Pick up Jason Thompson or Jason Maxiell. If it’s a keeper league, keep him for a while more. If it’s a deeper league, hang on to him. He’ll be inconsistent, but he’ll give you stats you can’t get anywhere else for the same price.
And if it's a Blog-a-Bulls league...
You should be able to trade him for anyone else’s best player.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 5, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Thanks guys.
Where will you be when the Sixers hoist the Larry O'Brien trophy? Hopefully Liberty Ballers.
Why just the 1 best player
Trade Tyrus to the Heat for Wade and Marion….the Heat are worse off than us anyway, they can see Tyrus improve, and meanwhile won’t lose Marion for nothing. As a sweetener for the Heat, we can give them Hughes and Thabo….there you go :)
LMAO. The archetypal BG turnover!
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That was like the Socratic Form, the ideal, of all BG turnovers.
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Rose needs to finish those buckets in transition
when he blows by everyone.
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Take Kirk out
He makes shit every time he touches the ball
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
VDN is killing us with this line-up
and he needs to put the ball in Rose’s hands.
My God
I was totally wrong. It is 2007.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Hinrich just did his best Larry Hughes impression.
He just dribbled casually up the court, sauntered to the elbow, and threw up a jumper with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.
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I was thinking to keep Hinrich
before season,to back up rookie.
But Rose doesn’t need time to adjust for NBA.
We gotta get rid of Kirk.And try to get decent center.
What about that Brad Miller talks?
Why do folks
Want modern Brad Miller…..he slipped big time, had an OK year, and OK year folks last year at what 33??? Let him stay in Sacramento, he’s not the former Bull Brad Miller these days (or even better the 2000 King)….he’s old and has had some drug issues.
We should avoid that, he won’t make us any better.
Vinny has a cool tone to go with his cool hair
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury "The Great"
I'd typically be against this, but
Why don’t they let Kirk handle the point, pitch it to Rose to create as a two-guard, and allow him to either drive or hit the open cutter (if said cutters even exist)?
Maybe Ben is handling the ball as much as he is
because they’re trying to see if he can play PG in a surreptitious manner. This would allow them to deal Hinrich hopefully for frontcourt help.
well, he has 5 assists
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
I was agreeing with you
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
There's nothing surreptitious about his playing PG. His domination of the ball is pretty obvious.
And there’s really no point in auditioning him for the post of backup anyway as he’s probably gone after this year.
Gordon just stole the rebound from Gooden and then the Cavs got possession...wonderful.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:17 PM CST reply actions
it hurts me to watch this offense run...
WHERE IS ROSE?
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
Gordon really is shooting every time.
As much as it makes me cackle, he really isn’t the one costing the Bulls this game.
It’s our defense.
Maybe VDN told BG to shoot every time.
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Our defensive rebounding has been poor and that's on Vinny, because of the midget lineups he's throwing out ala Skiles.
The only boarder we have out there is Gooden and it’s a problem.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:19 PM CST reply actions
Rather than go small with 3 little guards
why not just go small with Rose, BG, Deng, Noce, and Gooden?
That's what is out there right now.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 5, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
you called it
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
A step back jumper from Gooden?
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James gets an 'and 1'
Then starts to worship himself. Even Kobe isn’t that bad about it. I’m starting to really hate him.
At least they're...
whittling down that lead. Hopefully, Lebron chokes down the stretch.
James is such a fucking punk.
Next time he comes down the lane like that, someone should clothesline him.
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Or Aaron Gray.
Or Michael Ruffin with his ugly alone.
by messwiththebull on Nov 5, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
We'd need to take the midgets out for that to happen.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 5, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Drew Gooden is a bonehead
i don’t care about his stats. He is guaranteed to make at least one stupid play in every 4th quarter.
But they won the game in overtime.
Without Michael Redd. Should we start missing Skiles now?
Downright hilarious shot by Gooden there
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Bad shot by Rose.
Though he had little time left.
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Stop f******** switching on that screen. Jesus.
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What kind of shit was that
Rose stops passes it to BG who passes it Deng who takes a contested three
Ladies and gentleman...your 2008-2009 Chicago Bulls!!!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Rose is doing what good PGs do.
He’s creating ball movement. The rest of the team isn’t cooperating and stalling the ball. Rose should be seeing the ball come back to him in the rotation, but he’s not. The solution isn’t to always run Rose iso dribble drive; the solution is to teach the rest of the team to swing it. This is basic stuff. I remember Hinrich being better at this when he was at Kansas. So soon they forget . . .
Screen roll with Mo Williams and LeBron
makes me now wonder why the Bulls don’t try that at all with Deng as tyger mentioned earlier. Is it an indictment of Deng in some fashion?
It's probably because LeBron is the size of a fullback
by messwiththebull on Nov 5, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
rose is the size of a fullback? are you talking about on a small high school football team?
Cashing checks and having sex.
It's because Deng isn't athletic enough to do the roll part very effectively.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Deng isn't athletic enough to guard anybody
That seems to be the patern so far this year. Everybody he has guarded has blown by him as if he were wearing lead shoes. Jefferson, Pierce, TurkeyGlue, and Lebron. Deng is literally a stiff, notice how he never seems to bend at the waist. This is a trait that is always highly valued by NFL talent evaluators. Usually it relates to overall athleticism. Maybe we could merge Deng and Thomas into one player, then we would have 2/3 rds to 3/4ths of a complete player.
Our defense really maked me question the coaching.
There is no reason to be this bad.
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"Well Vinny will have to go to the drawing board with this offense"
Correction Vinny will have to go back to the drawing board.
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
Theres noone to blame for this team but Paxson
he has given Del Negro such a bad roster that he can’t even put one productive team on the court at any time…
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
Paxson needs...
to find a big man in the post. STAT!
but he got that already in the 2nd round 2 years ago!
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Can we fast forward to
GAME #25 or so…this team should be so much better by then!
Im not going to be too mad if they lose cuz the teams of the past 2 years woulda’ possibly lost this game as well. However, we really need for Deng to regain his consistency and for Rose to be acknowledged as THE MAN!
This team has quit on this game... they aren't even trying to grab rebounds. It looks like
a lot of pickup games I’ve played in. Guys just all gunning and no one wants to hit the boards because everyone else is just jacking up bad shots. Bad times all around.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:31 PM CST reply actions
So we've been getting shredded in the paint all night long
…yet VDN has refused to play Tyrus or Noah more than spot minutes. What the fuck? Does that make any sense?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
the game is
how many passes we can make in 24 second without breaking the three point line.
Deng and Rose had nice games.
Gooden had a so-so game.
Noce and Hinrich has unexpectedly bad games.
TyThomas and ThabSefo had expectedly bad games.
What will it take to win against one of the better NBA teams.
Oh yeah, more than what we’ve been doing.
Um
sound defense and a consistent offense
yep
still think he should start with rose
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 5, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
You're right.
Despite some bad shots, he’s been the Ben Gordon we’ve seen and loved/hated.
We've now see two games in a row where Tyrus and Noah
gets small minutes.
and we've looked like shit in both
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
wow
Thumped by the Cavs
Not a nice start to the season…that West Coast trip makes me worry
by rquinsee on Nov 5, 2008 9:34 PM CST reply actions
when DOESN'T the west coast make bulls fans worry?
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
This was an awful game.
We don’t play defense and we don’t have an organized offensive system .
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This is the last time you'll see the bulls at .500 this season folks
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
Just repeat this mantra: rebuilding year. Rebuilding year.
This was a winnable game. So was the last one. We should take solace in the fact that we were competing, and in it until the end. The teams we’ve played against have established stars and systems. Our schtick is all new. This will take time. Depending on how long it takes, we might compete this year, we might not. But we need to know by the trade deadline whether certain guys will work with Rose, and it’s too early to jump to conclusions. Although I’m close on concluding about Ben. I mean, dude needs to chill.
Dude, so am I.
But we’ve got a huge piece in Rose. This is a blueprint that we can buy at Lowe’s. Instead of trying to build the weird magic that the Pistons had of no-star competence with a team full of role players, we can now enter a more normal phase: building around a franchise playmaker. (I’m not even going to dignify the Tyson/Eddy period as a “phase”; just bad scouting. Bad.) Pax can figure this out. Give it two years to get the pieces in place. I’m thinking Gordon is not one of those pieces. Neither is Kirk. Those are our trade chips, and I’d be willing to throw in Noc or Tyrus (who could work, but aren’t ideal) to sweeten deals that get us what we need. Patience!!
Can the Bulls even negotiate a new contract for BG...
so a sign and trade could happen? I’m guessing no will bite on BG because they will be able to sign him for waaaay less than the Bulls offered him…twice…this summer. My guess, he will be back with the Bulls in an Al-Davis-type-three-times-as-much-money-as-nobody-was-offering-type-deal because I’m not sure Pax A) has the stones to makes real trades and B) Is allowed to run the team the way he wants to.
Plus, Pax a better coach than VDN??
We've been rebuilding since MJ left. We have a superstar. We have talented guys. We need consolidation and to compete.
Pax needs to make some moves before the trading deadline or he needs to be fired.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
nothing like BG padding his stats in a lost cause.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions
mo' points mo' monay!
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Sefolosha needs to get the fuck out of town.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
his name sounds like a disease
and his game is one.
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
And why the hell VDN plays he so much? Does he get swiss chocolates?
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 5, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Start building the team around Rose now
find players that play off Rose, not around him. Do it.
Rotation should be
Rose/Hinrich
Gordon/Hinrich
Deng/Noc
Thomas/Gooden
Noah/Gray
Absolutely noone else should see the court at any time
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
yes
And why is that so hard for them to understand?
by rquinsee on Nov 5, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
TT in front of Gooden?
No thank you
I like TT, I really do. But these games showed that he’s not so well after all. I don’t know what’s happening, but he is not playing great… Maybe it’s better for us start thinking in trading him before his value get down
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
well start gooden over him then i dont care
just no more thabo ever again plz
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
you're kidding me right?
that’s all it’s been.
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
and for good reason...
did you see Gooden’s airball?? At least Gordon was drawing fouls to at least gain some points
Were you watching the game?
And if so, do you know anything about basketball? Ben killed any offensive chemistry or flow we had. Sure, he made some plays, but this isn’t Rucker Park. This isn’t And-1. If Ben keeps playing like this, he’s only slightly better than Hughes.
Honestly I have no words
except Paxson should be fired and Thabo sent to the D-league immediately… maybe the worst shooting shooting guard of all time
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
There's no way Larry Hughes
could possibly make this team any worse than it was tonight…
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
theres no way you can have a team that has
four guards that all want to be starting and manage them…
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
Thabo is worse, man.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
It's not even a question...
Hughes can at least get to the line sometimes in between chucks
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
we're paying Larry a boatload of money, though.
that’s money that could be used for more useful things….like shoe laces
at least it comes off the book for the '10 free agent class
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
well dont forget that the only reason we aqcuired him
was because we thought he was less useless than ben wallace
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
Regardless of how the team plays...
our coach has one great head of hair. His hair could be the team’s MVP by the end of the year at this pace.
Agree.
But for visual effect, I go for Gooden’s beard.
The only way the beard gets better...
is if Gooden connects it to the sideburns…that has to be the inevitable next move right?
Speaking of beards...
how horrible is Luol’s?
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
That was a disheartening game.
I primarily blame coaching and defense for this performance.
I am also concerned that Rose and Gordon, both of whom are good players on their own, are incompatable. Only one guy can dominate the ball in the halfcourt offense.
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I disagree
if we had a good coach he could make it work. Rose can penetrate and Gordon shoot from outside
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 5, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Does anyone on our team
move without the ball?? Movement and spacing seem to be our primary problem on offense
Paxson
Please give Phoenix Tyrus, Deng, Hinrich and our next 15 first round picks for Amare pleasseeeeee
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
tyrus and joakim did
but they got the shaft
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his game IS a disease.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
Never claimed to...
but it was obvious nobody on the team gives a crap. To your previous comment in the BG thread earlier, it seems to be a moot point that BG ruined the “team chemistry” because do the Bulls have any to start with?
it's hard to rebound when you have three 6'3" and under players
playing at the same time. Blame VDN for the lack of rebounding. He went to the dreaded 3 guard lineup…with BG as PG(!)
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
he didn't keep us in the game. he made some shots and he missed some shots
but he dominated the ball and we failed to get consistently good looks. that’s why BG dominating the ball is fool’s gold.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
no, he didn't. we lost by double digits. Ben dominating the ball hurt the offense.
He scored a lot, but we didn’t move the ball and everyone else got out of rhythm. It wasn’t reflected in Ben’s numbers (so I’m sure he won’t care about it) but he killed any sort of offensive flow and to say that he “kept us in it” is simply just not seeing the forest for the trees. We got beat by double digits even with Ben dropping 31. Points aren’t the only thing that matter.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
its the starts that kill us!
really we always get off to slow starts…..we need to plug in BG for SG so we can get off to a better offensive start
i do want gordon to start
but fs is right here, he does kill the chemistry. if he can settle into a role to work with rose, i want to see him get there, but i hardly saw him pass and he trips over his own feet dribbling, while rose is just standing there. that’s unacceptable.
i agree...
that Rose should be point….but BG only had 2 turnovers…I think that if u gave BG more minutes….he would be more willing to adapt to team ball…but thats not the case with him coming off the bench…his role then is Microwave GOrdon
i'm surprised it was only 2...
it was 2 crucial ones then.
i don’t know… the team just looks broken. it’s not just him. but as great as he was in moments, he’s not helping the team that much.
I do agree there, but if Ben is going to make it on this team
he needs to defer to Rose and stop pounding the rock so much and learn how to move off the ball like Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen, etc. Rose will find him. Sefolosha needs to sit down and not get anymore minutes or get traded. Preferably the latter.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
also, BG should never be PG when Rose is on the floor. EVER.
Rose can penetrate without actually falling down and losing the ball and then BG can get some better looks than the ones he was hitting tonight, but he also missed a bunch.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
THIS IS WHAT WE GOT FOR MILLER??!!!
In February 2002, he was traded by the Bulls with Ron Mercer, Ron Artest and Kevin Ollie to the Indiana Pacers for Jalen Rose, Travis Best, Norman Richardson, and a second-round draft pick.
Reason number 765 why I hate being a post-jordan era Bulls fan
blah
i hate the cavs.
luol needs to be aggressive, but the other guys need to get him the ball more, make sure he gets involved. whether that means calling some plays for him or something, i dunno.
gordon needs to never ever dribble. ever again. it’s ok for him to create his own shot, but he doesn’t have the body control that rose does and can’t drive into the big guys unless he learns this. which he won’t, since he’s a 5th year player already.
thabo needs to sit.
i actually liked the wired part on vdn, he was actually making sense, but too bad the bulls were not doing anything like what he was telling them… and it actually made me feel a little better about him and hopefully he’ll gain more control over the team.
Give Noah more Minutes, Trade Kirk
Hinrich is not an off guard at all, he’s a point guard, his defense isn’t good when he’s guarding 6’5" plus tall guys. Tyrus has no role out there, or isn’t being aggressive. Rose looks good, maybe if guys would run the floor with him. Say what you want about Gordon, but the guy comes to play and is our second best player behind Rose. I don’t see how we can get a difference maker in the post this season. Maybe we could get Boozer in the off season. .
Everyone besides Rose is tradeable. I'm a huge Tyrus guy, but if VDN isn't going to develop him
and he continues to make less than 30% of his FGs then he needs to go too. This team needs to be completely torn down. Also, I don’t think Vinny is going to end up being a good or even competent coach. He looks lost out there. It is readily apparent that the Bulls have no offensive philosophy, they all just ISO when they have the ball. There’s no movement, there’s no set plays. The only time they look like they know what to do is in the fast break and that’s more a function of Derrick Rose being great at that part of the game and the fact that it’s not a set play. They have no offensive sets. This is a garbage team with garbage coaching. There’s only one bright spot and his name is Derrick Rose.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:46 PM CST reply actions
There has to be a trade
It doesn’t really even matter who at this point but this team as is, is hopeless
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
Yep. WHERE IS PAX???
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Maybe on vacation …
And far, far away from Chicago
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Noah not playing is really starting to piss me off
Gooden is not an inside scorer. I’m sick of those 17 footers.
Gordon does not bring the best outta Rose but I can’t say the same for Derrick. Ben just takes over when he wants to. Rose seems obligated to just let him do it.
This is a mess.
Oh and FUCK THE 3 GUARD LINE UP!
Do the players take VDN seriously?
It doesn’t seem like the players give a crap about what VDN is saying to them…it almost looks like they’re pretending he is really D’antoni and that this is all a dream.
it doesn't look like they give a shit what he says. that could be because all he gave them for advice
was “drive and kick, drive and kick, drive and kick”… they quit on this game with about 3 and a half minutes to go. Gooden and others underneath the hoop saw that people were just bombing from outside and stopped going for loose balls off the rim.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
That Gooden fadeaway was hilarious
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
That's the funny thing. They DIDN'T drive and kick.
In fact, they haven’t done it all season.
This is what I had envisioned: Rose gets the ball, penetrates, forces the defense to collapse, then finds Gordon or Luol open for a jumper.
That doesn’t happen. Instead, in the half court, Gordon pounds the ball and fires up shots for better or worse.
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Yeah, they didn't listen to him. I just get the sense watching how disjointed they look and
with VDN sporting the “I’m in way over my head, here” face that he hasn’t installed any sort of offensive philosophy and hasn’t got any sort of control over this team.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 5, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Do we get John Calipari???
Or at least have HIM teach the Bulls the dribble-drive-motion offense…which actually suits our personnel. Nevermind, we should just bring in Ditka.
Everyone
compare this team to the last 3 years. The Bulls are right on target!
if the target is the bottom of my toilet
then yea, they are on target
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his game IS a disease.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
i wish i had nba live
So I could make the trades/player roles this team needs, cause it sure as hell aint happeining in real life
by rquinsee on Nov 5, 2008 9:58 PM CST reply actions
this nuggets game is a dunk fest
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his game IS a disease.
everyone besides rose still isn't getting the 'keep pushing the ball' mantra.
Cashing checks and having sex.
lebron isn't gonna go 13-23 on FGS and 15-16 on FTs on saturday. that alone will make the game closer.
Cashing checks and having sex.
He might if we keep playing these retardedly small and thin lineups
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
if the bulls switch on that high pick again next time, then pax needs to go to the sideline and fire VDN.
Cashing checks and having sex.
Are they even playing on the same team?
we suck. no one is playing together.
bulls offense: walk down the floor, pass two times jack up 24 ft jumpshot
bulls defense: stand around with arms watch other players blow by you
our team...
… is a fucking shit show, starting with Pax. It’s Rose plus a bunch of losers.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Nov 5, 2008 10:01 PM CST reply actions
tyrus is already getting the thabo treatment on his minutes.
i don’t understand why he has the shortest hook on the team. the bulls really needed some rebounding tonight, but that’s not what you’re gonna get with the all small and gooden lineup.
Cashing checks and having sex.
It's really fucking scare that Tyrus is already getting the Skiles quick-hook
His major minutes were one of the only good things that has been happening this season.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
and you know what? he played pretty damn well pre-season. i thought they just chalk up the early struggles to bad luck.
this does not bode well. if he woulda just hit those damn 15-17 foot jumpers a couple games ago. damn you, tyrus. stop giving them a reason to sit you.
Cashing checks and having sex.
he needs to get to the basket
i can think of at least one opportunity tonight where he had the lane and instead he pulled up. he needs to play to his strengths. i don’t mind him taking some jumpers, but he needs to get himself going in other ways first.
I also
Hate the little Noah sitings…..let’s give him some time. THe Kid looked good in stretches last year.
He can do a lot of little things that’ll help this team.
I know Drew Gooden’s a decent player and all, and that he’s reasonably young, but Drew will only always be a good player, he’ll never be more, and Drew has 1 good game 2 bad games….
Tyrus and Noah don’t look too great yet in this new offensive system or new coaching style, but give them time to learn….I know it’s hard early in the year, and I’m sure Paxson can’t go out there and say this early that we’re rebuilding yet….although anybody and everybody knows that this really is a rebuilding year….so let’s rebuild…we really only need 1 piece, it’s just that we drastically and dramatically need that one piece so badly that it makes all our talent look just good enough to keep a game fairly competitive and lose by 8-15 pts in the end…
Let’s develop our guys….and use this season to re-evaluate what we’ve got, now that we have our superstar in the making and a coach who appears to be doing a solid job with what he does have.
What I'm scared off is...
that Skiles and Boylan may actually have known what they were doing when they benched TT.
And now, VDN and his 3 asst coaches (who has, like, a decade’s worth or more of headcoaching experience between them) have realized that too.
every time the bulls run the high pick, the bigs fade out and look for the jumpshot.
fuck the pick and pop, none of them are hitting it anyway. try the pick and roll!!
Cashing checks and having sex.
Today, the biggest issue we face imo is:
That small ball lineup. Why on Earth would you do that when getting killed on the boards? Why would you not put your young bigs – whom apparently are supposed to have a future with the team – out there ehen they could be best utilized?
I know every day there is a different thing with this team, but today i think thats whats frustrated me the most
by rquinsee on Nov 5, 2008 10:10 PM CST reply actions
i know
and for the guys on espn saying “this is their best offensive lineup” they aren’t considering the defensive ramifications…. they can’t go on a run with their offense if they can’t get a rebound or play good defense.
we need TWO GUARDS!!!! luol, and whoever else. and luol needs to find his way.
he was hot for a good stretch
then we stopped giving him the ball.
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his game IS a disease.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2008 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Has Vinnie ordered Tyrus not to ever shoot again in the flow of the offense?
In the 3rd quarter, I can’t remember him getting a single touch, but is that because his 2 for 22 nights have made him afraid to make a mistake and totally neutralized whatever he could bring to the table.
They have got to run some plays for him even if he fails. Otherwise this team has no prayer of advancing with the midget lineups that get murdered in the paint and on the boards. Tyrus really does have great potential upside but has been jacked around so much with a short chain, he has become passive and soft.
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Small Ball?, more like Midget Ball
Even in our regular rotations we are already playing small ball. The correct term for the 3 guard featuring Hinrich, Gordon and Duhon(ooops I mean Rose, I thought it was still last season) would be midget ball with only Rose having appropriate NBA size, stength and athleticism.
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