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Game #5 Preview: Chicago Bulls @ Cleveland Cavaliers

[Thanks to arjoseph for today's game preview -ed]

The Cavs are a popular pick this year to contend for the championship (if not of the NBA, then at least of the East).  The sage Bill Simmons picks them to face the Hornets in the Finals.  They took the Celts to seven in last year's Conference Finals, and ostensibly they got better in the off-season, adding a competent second scorer in Mo Williams and having Andy "Side Show Bob" Varejao willing, ready, and able to play the entire season.  (This doesn't even account for LeBron's maturation as a superstar world-beater.)

My prediction for Cleveland is mostly a personal hunch, however, as the Cavs are not a juggernaut.  They've got some problems.  Two of their frontcourt cornerstones, Used-to-Be-Big Ben Wallace and Barely-Still-Big Z. Ilgauskas, have been carbon-dated to some time before Christ.  Younger, athletic big men should be able to eat these guys up over the course of a game.  And without Big Z in the line-up (removed by injury or foul trouble, e.g.), Cleveland's frontcourt scoring ability plummets.  Furthermore, Mo Williams is not a true point guard and can't fill the gaping void they have at that position no matter how much offense he creates for himself.  In the end, this team is built more for the playoffs, where LeBron can play 47 minutes a game and leave everything on the court, than the regular season, where their number of wins probably ends up in the high-40s.   They're good, but they'll still lose around 30 games.  Tonight can be one of those games.

So far this season, Cleveland has lost to two of the top teams in the league (Boston and New Orleans), beaten a pretty good squad on the road (Dallas), and clobbered a bottom-feeder at home (Charlotte).  They play at the league's eighth-slowest pace (106.4 possessions per game) and are middle-of-the-league in offensive efficiency (17th, at 86.8 points per 100 possessions) and defensive efficiency (13th, at 83.9 points allowed per 100 possessions).  Looking at the stats, the Bulls look to be better defensively (8th in defensive efficiency at 81.3), but we all know that's not true; this is the product of small sample size and disparities in competition.  If we had played the high-octane offenses of Dallas and New Orleans, the numbers would be skewed the other way.  Cleveland tries to win with defense (like the Celtics), and it will show tonight. 

That being said, the Bulls match up better with Cleveland than with Boston.  Cleveland doesn't have a stopper at PG like Rondo.  Rose should be able to abuse everyone on this roster, except maybe Eric Snow (and if we've forced them to play Eric Snow, that's a victory).  Cleveland's SGs aren't offensive powerhouses, either, and Delonte West is only 6'3", so playing Kirk or Ben at the SG doesn't sacrifice much, if anything.  Except at SF, the Bulls can field a more athletic team than Cleveland at almost any position.

Considering the age and ossification of Cleveland's big men, the Bulls should try to push the ball as much as possible (we're already running at the league's 4th fastest pace of 115.5).  If Kirk and Ben (and VDN) can allow Rose to actually run the point most of game, this shouldn't be a problem.  This could be a perfect game for Noah's energy underneath as well, creating second-chance opportunities on offensive rebounds as Cleveland's bigs get tired later in the game.  Hopefully Tyrus/Gooden can hit some jumpers early on, spreading the floor and bringing the lumbering giants out of the middle; otherwise, the Cavs will just pack it in and wait for Rose driving or Deng cutting, and both Big Z and Lesser Ben know how to defend the rim.  Tonight's game is definitely not the time to play Gray and Noc big minutes, as Cleveland is much better at the slow-and-plodding game than we are; we'll have to beat them with speed and athleticism, if at all.

Don't be surprised to see Cleveland go small at some point in this game, playing Varejao at center and LeBron at the 4.  It's the logical move if we're killing them on the break, and it's also a good way to get VDN to bench our best line-up (instead matching Cleveland's 3-guard set or "going big" with Gray).  If Cleveland plays Williams at PG, and Gibson and West on the wings, they'll have a lot of firepower from deep and not really be giving up size against us if we're playing Kirk, Rose, and Ben at the same time.  It will cause us to hustle on defense, closing out on shooters well (something we've sucked at this year so far).  I'll be interested to see how Tyrus or Gooden would handle LeBron defensively if this situation arises.

Some more stats for you:  the Bulls and Cavs turn the ball over at exactly the same rate, which bodes well for us since our new fast-paced system usually leads to more turnovers.  Turnovers lead to fast breaks, which lead to (sorely needed) easy buckets.  On the other side of the coin, the Cavs are a top-5 rebounding team so far this year (and we're nowhere close to that).  Considering how poorly we've been shooting, we need to create as many possessions as possible, which means rebounding needs to be a priority.

Of course, all of this is moot if we continue to take bad jump shots and miss them; if Kirk and Ben continue to refuse to defer to Rose; if we continue to play matador defense on the ball, causing unnecessary defensive rotation and giving up easy baskets; and, generally, if we continue to display the basketball instincts and team chemistry of a mediocre junior varsity squad.  From Canada.

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love how in-depth this was

but i don’t really think there’s a whole lot of value in the numbers at this point in the year (for reasons that you pointed out, namely, the small sample size and the sometimes wide disparity in opponents). I usually think about 10-15 games in is when those numbers really start to have some value

I recall us playing Cleveland pretty tough last year, and like you said, the key to this game should be to use our depth and athleticism to make this an up and down, frenetic game. And either way, just remember that Duhon and Veektor aren’t here to try and guard Lebron. God that used to be painful to watch.

by Calogero on Nov 5, 2008 4:06 PM CST reply actions  

Who wants to bet me that Del Negro et al. see the big guys for Cleveland...

…and plays the Bulls’ big guys. “We can’t play the smaller guys! They’ll destroy us!!! Screw playing to our strengths; I’m going to play to theirs, even though I know we can’t possibly match up.”

Who wants to bet they won’t?

Anyone?

……

……

Anyone/

by tyger1147 on Nov 5, 2008 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah man

nice preview..im amped, but maybe its the 2 cups of coffee

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by Belize on Nov 5, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno, who would he play instead?

I guess Gray instead of Noah. I think that’s a function of Noah being in the doghouse more than the opponent.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

and beyond that

I’m all for playing ‘big’

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, take that off the board

I have no doubt we’ll see that.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, as long as it's big AND fast.

I think a lineup of Rose + [Kirk or Ben, but preferably Ben] + [Deng or Noc, but preferably Deng] + [Thomas or Gooden] + [Gooden or Noah] is not only our objectively best lineup, but works well in this particular game. If they go small with Bron at the 4, we’ve got size at the wings that they don’t (unless they play Sasha, which is fine with me). If they stay big, we’re way faster and more energetic without giving up much length on defense. Gray destroys this. I’m basically anti-Gray for this game (as I think tyger1147 is too).

by arjoseph on Nov 5, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

he played 3 guards 6'3 and under

against a lineup of 3 guys 6’10 or bigger… somehow i don’t think he’s afraid of playing smaller guys…

by Jaina on Nov 5, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

"My prediction . . ."

The beginning of the second paragraph was referring to a (since deleted) part of the first paragraph wherein I said that I picked Cleveland to win it all in the Blog a Bull poll someone ran on that topic this summer. Just to avoid any confusion.

by arjoseph on Nov 5, 2008 4:13 PM CST reply actions  

Noah

I’m hoping he’ll get utilized a lot tonight. His energy is necessary to combat Varejao + could take advantage of the slow footed Z.

I'm no commie, but the Reds shall be the best again!

by RedHopeful on Nov 5, 2008 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing Noce playing big minutes tonight.

Between Deng’s poor shooting as of late, and Lebron’s physical advantage over him, I think that Noce would be a good option at SF. He’ll play Lebron more physically on defense, and has also played very well off the ball with Rose.

I would even be ok starting Noce at the 3 and Deng at the 2. That would get us our tall shooting guard, and is a much better option than starting Thabo (or Hughes if he was healthly). Plus Deng is athletic enough to keep up with Cleveland’s shooting guards, while also providing matchup problems on offense.

by Diz on Nov 5, 2008 4:51 PM CST reply actions  

"He’ll play Lebron more physically on defense"

Veektor deserves a shot too.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

actually

based on my own admittedly non scientific judgment, I’ve always thought Nocioni has done a good job on Lebron because he seems to get mad and try to make Nocioni look bad by taking fade away jumpers instead of attacking the rim. I’d be interested in seeing the stats because in the games I’ve watched it seems like Lebron has at least taken very low percentage shots whenever Nocioni is guarding him.

by JSlakov on Nov 5, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

My concern with Noc

is actually his defense. I agree that he’ll be physical, but LeBron is so much more athletic, and the offense runs through him so much, that I don’t know if you want to put Noc on him for significant minutes as the first line of defense against the Cavs offense. But yes, his shooting has been essential recently. We need to give Rose more shooters to pass to.

by arjoseph on Nov 5, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Immediate foul trouble

likely resulting in And 1s from LeBron. The Noce experiment may be attempted, but I fear for its results.

by messwiththebull on Nov 8, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

its not physical defense if they are calling fouls

than it is just fouling… He is putting guys on the free throw line, not playing good D.

by DangerMouse on Nov 5, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm liking these previews, great job!

If anyone remembers one of the last Bulls-Cavs games from last season, They did several isolations of Noah and Thomas, and they just ran circles around Sideshow, Z, and Corpse (who actually had some nice blocks, but he’s still a dirty ho).

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 5, 2008 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

that was the game i was thinking of

i think it was the one at the UC where the 07-08 Bulls finally resembled the 06-07 bulls in that they just looked faster than the opponent, kept getting second chances on the offensive glass, and deng played some great D on Lebron. I also remember our last game against Cleveland at Cleveland where Hughes had his game a month where he pours in 29 points and deludes himself into thinking that he’s Kobe for the next month

by Calogero on Nov 5, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent preview.

Thanks for writing that.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Nov 5, 2008 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

:)

My pleasure. Glad you liked it.

by arjoseph on Nov 5, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The carbon-dated line was pretty clutch

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Nov 5, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Cleveland really the better defensive team?

I figured between Kirk, Thabo, Tyrus and Noah, we were a decent defensive team. Maybe the stress hasn’t been on defense this year, but I wouldn’t think off the top of my head “Cleveland’s definitely better defensively”.

Mo Williams is a pretty average defender if I remember correctly. Delonte might be a little better than average (not sure how he defends SGs). LeBron is good in the 4th quarter, but he never seemed to try on D until then. And Ben and Z are pretty awful. Maybe I’m missing something.

by YaoPau on Nov 5, 2008 5:11 PM CST reply actions  

In ability level, you're right, it's not so clear.

In fact, I would say we have the capacity to be a better defensive team. We haven’t played like it, though, and I don’t see it changing any time soon (especially since we didn’t play like it most of last year, either). So much of defense is effort, focus, and technique. These things emanate from coaching, and the players have to buy into it. Rose won’t be a good defender for a while because he lacks pretty basic techniques, although he has the will to try. Tyrus will lose focus often and is primarily only really good at help-side defense; he’s not great on the ball. None of these guys are showing sufficiently on picks, letting dribblers turn the corner and force us to rotate (I don’t know if that’s a coaching decision or just a lapse in focus; I seem to think we did this more aggressively under the Skiles heyday). So far this year, I’ve only seen Ben Gordon and Deng move their feet to cut dribblers off laterally without enlisting help defense, and that was only in the Milwaukee game, when everyone was more intense. Noah has good ball sense in rotations and help defense, but he doesn’t have the bulk to defend the post, nor the hops really to defend the rim (he gets most of his blocks on his own man through good timing and hand placement). So we lack some fundamentals. These things can be fixed through coaching, I think, but I don’t know if VDN is the guy to do it. Brown has his guys focus on it, and it shows. I don’t feel bad at all saying they’re better at defense.

by arjoseph on Nov 5, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Not much to add after dynamite preview but offering a few crumbs to get the Bulls over the top

1st key……hoping Cavs keep Used to Be No Points Wallace on the court long enough to cancel out our starters non-existent offensive juggernaut.
2nd key…..Keep the ball in Rose’s hands as much as possible. He can be our mini-LeBron.
3rd key……Run a few plays for Tyrus early to see if he can be jump started. It would help if he would take it to the hole instead of having his offense disappear into a black hole.
4th key….. Play uptempo to wear down their aging dinosaurs.
Finally, create some spacing for Deng to get off his short jumper in the paint.

Or just forget my entire rant and just let D Rose do whatever he wants ala King James.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 5, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

You really should do a game preview at some point this year. Would be hilarious for sure.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Nov 5, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Perfect matchup

Noah vs. Varejo (or however u type his name)

Go Bulls!

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury "The Great"

by Belize on Nov 5, 2008 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

care less about winning

care more about:
1) deng being top of his game.
2) tyrus, gooden, and noah acting like big men.
3) hinrich and rose >10 assists total

by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 5, 2008 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

Care about two things

1. Derrick Rose continuously improving, and
2. the Bulls winning.

Fuck everyone else on the team if they’re not supporting reasons #1 and #2.

by messwiththebull on Nov 8, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a couple points...

First, great pre-view. Solid and in depth.

Second, Eric Snow is essentially retired. He suffered a knee injury last spring and the Cavs/Snow are are working on a medical exemption for money purposes. They have to wait, however, until a certain amount of games are missed. He actually works for NBA TV right now.

Third, I am really interested to see how Wallace plays tonight. He has been awesome this year so far. Against Dallas, facing Dirk, Ben grabbed 13 boards(8 offensive) in 22 minutes while holding Nowitzki to 3/11 shooting. That impressed me since Dirk likes to play away from the basket. Don’t get me wrong, Wallace isn’t what he used to be, but the back seems to be healthy and the Cavs seem to be using him correctly.

Lastly, A great thing to see so far for us Cavs fans is the reduction of LeBron’s minutes. He has yet to play over 36 minutes in any game and the Cavs have been successful for long stretches with him on the bench. A majority of the 4th quarter run against Dallas was done with James on the bench. Almost unheard of in the past.

FTS

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by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on Nov 5, 2008 5:35 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for the input.

Sorry I didn’t include a link to your blog; I tried to find the Cavs equivalent of Blog a Bull on SB Nation, but for some reason I couldn’t find Fear the Sword. I’m inept. Thanks to Matt for adding it to the post.

I was going to mention that Wallace looks better after noticing some of his stats (he’s leading the Cavs in rebounding), but that’s probably not a safe comment to make for a Blogabuller in these parts (much safer for an outsider). He might also be motivated against his former team. That being said, him being in the game is a boon for our defense, as it allows us to collapse a little more if the Cavs try to post up Big Z to take advantage of our slenderness inside (Noah and Tyrus).

by arjoseph on Nov 5, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

One last thing....

Look for LeBron to be in the post a lot more. I have been screaming for years for the Cavs to get him the ball on the block and let him go to work. Unfortunately before this year the Cavs needed him to be up top handling the ball. With Williams and Delonte West, the Cavs are able to allow LeBron to move without the basketball. Something else to look for.

FTS

FearTheSword

SBNation's Cleveland Cavaliers Blogger

by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on Nov 5, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice work Arj

always appreciated.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 5, 2008 5:57 PM CST reply actions  

Great post. My thoughts

We were 3-1 against the Cavs last season. All four of these games were with Larry Hughes. Gooden missed two of them. We won both of them. In these games, Lebron averaged 35.75ppg. Deng shot poorly in our one loss. In the other games he was getting to the line and still posting good FG% numbers.

The keys to victory will be to make Lebron get to 40 points and as few assists as possible. The net gains in the Cavs offense will come from Lebron penetrating and dishing out to the perimeter where we have struggled to recover and defend.

If there was a game where Rose and Gordon could start together this would be it.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 5, 2008 6:13 PM CST reply actions  

while waiting for the game

here’s a little piece on vinny

not sure if some1 already posted it.

It aint easy bein' Piatkowski

by Yibs on Nov 5, 2008 6:14 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know if i want vinny and doc

talking to each other…lol

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury "The Great"

by Belize on Nov 5, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Can I be the 1st to yell..

F*k LeBron? Or should I wait till the game thread…

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury "The Great"

by Belize on Nov 5, 2008 6:36 PM CST reply actions  

Dear Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich...

Whenever you feel the urge to run the point, just go ahead and stifle it quickly, then pass the ball to Derrick Rose.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 5, 2008 6:54 PM CST reply actions  

According to ESPN game cast

We will play with the same lineup of the first games…
ROSE
THABO
DENG
TYRUS
GOODEN

I just hope is Thabo that matchups with LBJ… Otherwise, we are f*****

Nice post, by the way

Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!

by bull83 on Nov 5, 2008 6:59 PM CST reply actions  

I like the idea of Wallace

But I don’t know how he’d fit with Deng, unless we traded Deng….and given that it seems VDN wants more of a slasher, that might not be a bad trade.

Unfortunately Deng’s worth more than the perennially injured Gerald Wallace (and Deng’s better)….but who do we get in return? I know that delays the trade until maybe late Dec, and I don’t have a huge understanding on the BYC yet (haven’t taken the time)…

But I don’t know who else we get….I mean I don’t want “the stache”—dodged a bullet there as a few years ago I bougth into the hype that he would be a pure scorer who would easily avg 15-20PPG with no defense (and for a team that gets so inept as we have in stretches on offense, I was like hell yeah, hell yeah).

I wouldn’t really want to give up more than Deng and maybe crap like Simmons, but I don’t know who we take back alongside GWallace….we’d need to take a nice piece too as Deng is worth more.

If we traded someone else other than Deng for Wallace, we’d basically be moving some of the Bobcats issues to us (2 similarly skilled players at the same position that both are too good not to start)….

I don’t want Morrison, I don’t want May (we had May in Sweetney, though Sweetney didn’t also have knee issues), we don’t need Augustin….and while Mohammad’s at least an adequate C, I don’t think we should give up say Deng and Gooden to get inferior GWallace (Slightly inferior as a player but not as valuable either due to injuries) and Gooden is clearly more valuable than Nazr any way you slice it….

Just a tricky thing for the Bulls…..to do, even though I wouldn’t mind it.

by majoyenrac on Nov 7, 2008 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

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