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Three Trades and a Rose

Many people on this site opined that the trade of Billups to Denver negated one of Chicago's chief possible trading partners for Hinrich.  Maybe, but it also signaled the beginning of the western conference race.  No team made the playoffs with less than 50 wins in the west last year, meaning, even a momentary slip up or a slight team defect can cost a western team a shot at the playoffs.  And there are several teams in the west who have absolutely no need for another high lottery picks.  What does this mean?  Teams like Golden State and Portland will be anxious to make trades to keep up.  In that vein, here are some proposals for trades that can help the Bulls by putting Rose in a more favorable position now, help our salary position down the road, and help those western conferences teams fighting for a playoff spot.

Trade 1

Bulls send Hinrich and Thomas to Golden State

Golden State sends Wright, Marcus Williams and Harrington to the Bulls.

Why the Bulls do it?  Hinrich's value will never be higher.  And it is clear, he will take opportunities away from Rose with his need for the ball.  Wright and Harrington are better options with Rose than Tyrus at power forward.  Wright is a power forward we can develop, and Harrington can play the power forward until Wright is ready.  They both have developed offensive games, are quality rebounders and underrated defendders.  The Bulls replace a erratic interior player with two more stable power forwards, one with as much if not more potential than Thomas.

Why GS does it?  They desperately need point guard help until Ellis gets back.  Hinrich can also run the point and guard the 2's when Ellis gets back so he will still have a prominent role.  It will also give them a defensive minded 4 to go along with Randolph, the 4 Nellie seems to prefer.  Plus in Nellie Ball, Tyrus could probably play the 5 some.

Trade 2

Bulls - Hinrich and Nocioni (local four-game fan favorites) to Portland

Portland - Outlaw, Rodriguez, and La Frentz to Golden State

Why the Bulls do it?  Pretty much for the same reasons they do the Golden State trade.  To get the ball out of Hinrich's hands and into Rose's.  Plus both guys, Hinrich and Noce, have contracts that extend past 2010.  This sets us up to be players in free agency this summer and next.  I don't know if the 2010 plan is Portland's plan, and regardless, they have so much young talent that if they want a great player, they can trade for him.  Outlaw and Rodriguez look like serviceable rotation players to me.  Outlaw can be that wing defender we crave, without the horrible offense of Sefo.  And PS, he is playing better than super Noce.

Why the Blazers do it?  Because Steve Blake isn't the answer.  Blake is serviceable but he isn't a starting pg.  Hinrich is clearly better and would immediately improve that team.  Plus they could use Noce's outside shooting, and Outlaw isn't going to be on the court in crunch time with Rudy Fernandez taking his minutes at SF.  Plus, they seem to like Batum for their future.  And are they willing get the best out of Roy with him at PG?  I don't think so.

Trade 3

Bulls - Hinrich

Kings - Miller

Why Bulls do it?  See Rose.  Plus Miller is a reliable big man with a sweet jumper who only has 2 years on his contract.

Why Sactown does it?  They are horrible.  Nobody is going to sign their, 2010 plan or not.  They need to acquire talent by trade and draft.  And its time for a youth movement.  Hinrich can be your point guard of the future.  Miller isn't the center of the future.  Side note, Miller isn't listed on the NBA trade machine, so this isn't ESPN approved.

So those are my preliminary trade thoughts.  I think the same guys that had to go in the summer, still have to go now.  Not because they are playing bad, or they can't play with Rose, but because they are not in our long term future.  I personally like the Golden State trade, because I think they would do it and we get back good value.  What do you guys think?

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Which trade do you prefer?
Trade Hinrich and Tyrus to Golden State
35 votes
Trade Hinrich and Nocioni to Portland
23 votes
Trade Hinrich to Sacramento
21 votes
I'm a little dumber for having read your post, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul
44 votes

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No way Portland gets fleeced that bad, my man. I vote number 3 not because I’m in love with the trade, but because it would help us and it’s realistic. In the end I am higher than this. It’s not quite a horizontal move but it’s close. It’s like a 15 degree incline.

I wonder if Paxson thinks this much about improving the Bulls, or if his just sits in his office, massaging his temples, mumbling “process…it’s a process” all day.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 4, 2008 6:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Option number 4

is totally my intellectual property dude.

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Nov 4, 2008 9:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Figure out a way

to get Miller and the Twolves 1st round pick from LAC. Hurry before someone else does!!

by hlac on Nov 4, 2008 10:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Trade 2 will never happen

Portland gives up the best player in the deal and the expiring contract. I dont think so.

by chlutz508 on Nov 5, 2008 8:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm assuming you're a Blazers fan?

Outlaw, the best player? LaFrentz contract is probably the best part of that deal. If Portland felt Outlaw was so valuable they would have signed him already and not Webster. Not to mention Hinrich is better, and Noc is about equal to Outlaw.

by CJ Bulls on Nov 5, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

you gotta love Blazers fans

Outlaw is at best the 3rd best player they have on the wing (behind Roy and Fernandez). They have Webster locked up long term and they just drafted a 19 year old small forward. But there committment to Outlaw never waivers.

Hinrich is by far the best player in that deal. And I personally believe Noce is better than Outlaw as well. The LaFrentz expiring contract is the impetus for the Bulls.

by DangerMouse on Nov 5, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Outlaw is better than Nocioni

He’s more clutch, athletic, has better stats, and is better looking.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/travis_outlaw/
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andres_nocioni/

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by tominhawaii on Nov 5, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

better looking?!?

i guess you haven’t seen Noce’s long hair.

by DangerMouse on Nov 5, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

better name?

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Nov 5, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your sarcasm is in fine form, sir.

Oh wait, you were being serious? NBA stat comparison is WEAK! He’s younger and cheaper, that’s about it.

by tyger1147 on Nov 5, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say anything about stats

Stats are for people who don’t watch the games.

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by tominhawaii on Nov 6, 2008 8:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are definitely being 100% sarcastic.

Or Republican. “he’s more clutch, athletic, has better stats, and is better looking”

“I didn’t say anything about stats.”

Nice work, my man. Nice work.

by tyger1147 on Nov 6, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a blazers fan

I said he was the best player in the deal, not the best player on the Blazers. He is much younger then those guys and his per min numbers are not far behind.

by chlutz508 on Nov 5, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Youngest is a relative number.

He didn’t just get here last week. He’s in his 6th year. Same as Hinrich and one year more than Nocioni. It’s pretty safe to say he’s neared/reached his relative peak as a player. I don’t know if that sounds perfect, he’ll still get better, but his chance for elevating his game another level is pretty slim.

by CJ Bulls on Nov 5, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Portland trade seems fair

I have a feeling, they won’t do anything until they see if Oden can play. Apparently he and Blake had a pretty good two man game going. If Bayless isn’t the answer to the point guard troubles, then Portland will most likely make a move for a point guard.

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by tominhawaii on Nov 5, 2008 9:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh the poll killed it

I can’t vote against comedy written by Jim Downey, one my favoriate SNL writers.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 5, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How about....

Hinrich, Thabo and Simmons to Portland for Rudy Fernandez and the expiring contract of Raef LaFrentz. Fernandez is like the second coming of Ginobili. Our starting shooting guard worries would be over…

by Carlitro on Nov 5, 2008 12:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

because Portland realizes that Fernandez is the second coming of Ginobli

and therefore they won’t want to trade him. If you see a guy is talented, chances are the rest of the league does too.

by DangerMouse on Nov 5, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you thought their resistence to losing Outlaw is bad...

…propose any trade scenario involving Fernandez abe prepared to get destroyed.
There are Blazer junkies who wouldn’t trade Fernandez for Paul, James, and Wade.

I’m not kidding…

--Torch

by torch on Nov 5, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As much as it pains me,

I think that we might need to trade Tyrus. I’m really starting to doubt he can be anything more than he already is. How do you get better at layups and not freaking out? I think you either have good hands or not, and you have finishing ability or not. The list big men in the NBA who have good hands is the same as the list of college guys in their class who had good hands. You can learn post moves, you can learn patience, you can get bigger, you can get less fat or more muscular, but I don’t know if you can learn how to finish around the basket.

So I was tempted to go for option #1, but we’re not getting enough back. Harrington is done (I’d rather have Gooden), Marcus is the PG version of Sweetney, and Wright is not enough to overcome those deficiencies.

But a package of Kirk + Tyrus should be able to net us something good. From someone.

by arjoseph on Nov 5, 2008 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Travis couldn't defend Yi Jianlian's chair.
Outlaw can be that wing defender we crave.

Okay, that’s a bit harsh, but his defense is far weaker than his scoring ability.

by Norsktroll on Nov 5, 2008 2:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What about Webster's defense -

I know he was awful when he came into the league, but has he improved? Lateral quickness, intensity, anticipation?

It seems to me that Hinrich for Webster/Raef and a #1 might not be too bad.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 5, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If we're going to take a wing player from Portland, I'd rather have Martell Webster

Outlaw has some nice athleticism and is capable of big plays, but Webster is a solid outside shooter on a very reasonable contract (4 years 20 million). Gordon’s an UFA after this season, I’d rather have someone on the bench who can somewhat fill that scoring void.

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by Ozzie Montana on Nov 5, 2008 2:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i don't think Webster

is as good as Outlaw, plus he has a 5 year contract, which could hurt our long term flexibility. Outlaw isn’t as good as a shooter as Webster, but he is a good shooter and he fits better in the fast break / uptempo offense VDN is trying to establish.

by DangerMouse on Nov 5, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Outlaw vs. Webster

I think the problem with Outlaw is he’s a 3/4 (which we have in absolute abundance). Webster, on the other hand, is a 2/3 who can spot up and drill 3-pointers. That seems like the sort of guy we want next to Rose.

The way I’d look at it, he’s worth taking a chance on as a long-term piece of the puzzle. His salary is reasonable, so if we play our cards right, we could still be a 2010 player even taking him on. We’d have something like this

Deng $11.37
Webster $4.86
Rose $5.55
Noah $3.13
2009 #1 $2.00
2010 #1 $1.50
Thomas RFA
Thabo RFA
Gordon ?
Gooden ?


Salary $28.41
Players 6
Cap Holds 5
Amount $2.37
Total Salary $30.78
Cap $63.40

Cap Space $32.62

Since we’d need something like $18M, we’d have about $14.6M remaining to sign Gooden/Gordon/Tyrus/Thabo between now and then. Realistically, that probably means we re-sign only one and perhaps two of Gooden, Gordon and Thomas.

But so what? If we traded for Webster, it’s a safe bet Gordon’s gone. And I don’t think there’s room in the long-run for both Gooden and Thomas. So it’s not really the finances that’d be pushing that… other circumstances would be pushing it even if finance wasn’t.

by Sports2 on Nov 5, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rose
Webster
Deng
Gooden
Noah

Interesting lineup, but very scary. If we somehow miss the boat on the FA, we’re screwed. If we hit on Amare or Bosh, this team would have Finals potential for several years.

by CJ Bulls on Nov 5, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

I wonder if more people will be willing to trade Hinrich now… It’s not working!

by DangerMouse on Nov 5, 2008 9:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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