Bulls Lose, postgame venting.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:39 PM CST
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I'm not even saying he did a piss poor job today, because he was good at parts.
But god damn it, he doesn’t need to take every shot the last 3 minutes of the game. Neither does Nocioni.
by NittanyCub on Nov 3, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
completely agree on both counts.
Ben was good, then he thought it was still last season. Everyone needs to realize it’s not.
He can take the last shot all he wants, but needs to realize he’d likely get a better look letting Rose create for him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's a me-first gunner. He's banking on making those shots to show his "value" to the team.
But the reality is that if he gets it to Rose, he gets penetration and scores to tie or hits BG with an open look from deep for the win (a much higher percentage shot for him than his run into the lane, flail the arms, and fall down shot that we were graced with).
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Can we retire "me-first gunner" tomorrow
along with “George Bush economics”, “Maverick”, “change you can believe in”, “executive experience” and all the other meaningless solipsisms we’ve heard the last few months.
i have a love-hate relationship with ben
he can be so good, and so bad all at the same time.
actually, he infuriated me the same way against orlando last season!
Ben Gordon has got to go. That ending was unreal. Earth to Ben... this is not your team. It is Derrick Rose's.
Also, Rose has to DEMAND the ball in that situation. As the new leader of this team, he needs to talk to Ben about that shot ASAP. That was piss-poor execution and shot selection. Fuuuuuuuck BG.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply actions
I'll agree with Matt on the point of him getting us back in it in the first place
But Rose has to be the new man at the end of games.
by Option27 on Nov 3, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they don't really have end of game stuff in yet?
And this game will make Vinny realize that they need to work on some close-game, last-second type of stuff?
I can dream, right? What I’m really dreaming is that they look at the tape, or the gameflow, and realize that we don’t have to spot the other team a lead at the beginning of each half.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I keep waiting for the "Breaking News" alert on ESPN
And instead of seeing every other team involved in a major trade, the Bulls are mentioned
by Option27 on Nov 3, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
We give it away a great chance to win Orlando
And everything because BG is playing for a contract
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2008 8:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He did make a lot of shots
along with Noc to get us back into it for those last 30 seconds.
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But he made a mistake
And that mistake cost us the game
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
We could have sat him out
and found ourselves not in game at the end at all then. At least we could have lost by a lot, right?
It did come down to one shot for a reason. He needs to smarten up and learn how to win in that situation, true. With Rose there he isn’t the only one not afraid to take over and make something happen. It is just with Rose there that something that happens might actually be good.
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It's not about being smart.
It’s selfishness.He knew exactly what to do,instead he desided to work on his market value.
Really?
So when everyone else on the team doesn’t mesh with Rose well it is because they are thinking of their market value too? Everyone else needs time to learn how to work with Rose but Gordon is just suppose to snap to it a few games into the season during their first close game? Riiight. Gordon should somehow instinctively know how to play with Rose while everyone else just needs to be given time to learn.
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Even I know
that you should keep the ball for your last atack.
And yes,Gordon is more concerned about his value then anybody else right now.
He has to be
Next year we wants his big contract
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
I guess your other option
was to sit Ben on the bench for the last four minutes of the game and lose by ten tonight. Yay! And our guy with a contract, Deng, just had to make a few shots and we would have won.
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Do you really believe that Ben to steal a political term Gordon "went rogue"
and just ran off with the ball? He was playing well and was in a rhythm. It wasn’t the best shot, but that’s Ben’s game. If Ben had 6/55 in his bank account right now, he still would have taken that shot.
i'd be equally pissed at him!
it was a dumb, typical gordon play. so good one minute, so bad the next.
Maybe the problem is the new coaching staff hasn't been stern enough with the old core?
They still act like it’s last season and they can just play meh, keep it somewhat competitive and people wont’ care. BG’s last shot was a microcosm of why our offense was so craptacular last year. He’s got to learn (or Vinny has to instill it in his head) that it’s Derrick’s show now. Give him the ball to create.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
Offensively Erratic.
What was the deal with Gordon at the end of the game? Was he really playing very selfishly or does he just have that low of a basketball IQ?
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 3, 2008 8:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Vinny's a fuckin retard, he just said the team "battled" like eight times in a minute
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 3, 2008 8:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
They did.
They may not have played smart at times, but they didn’t give up in this one. That’s a big improvement over the Boston game.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Yea, I know they did, but that doesn't mean the coach has to say it over and over again like rain man
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 3, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
He's a look on the positive side kind of guy
There’s not much else to say. I guess he could throw in they shot the ball much better tonight.
Skiles would have a much more biting and entertaining postgame I’m sure, and I actually do miss his comments, but this is probably best for the players and the future of the team right now.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I don't think you understand what i'm saying. I THINK OUR COACH IS RETARDED.
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 3, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
I understand it,
I’m disagreeing. Or technically, I agree that you think he’s retarded, but I think your wrong.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
He's constantly spewing out like eight thoughts in the same sentence during his
media sessions. He doesn’t know how to talk. And that’s kinda important. This is the Bulls, we don’t deserve this. We should have a real coach.
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 3, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
You'd prefer the guy who communicated coherently with the media
and not at all with his players? There are worse things than being repetitive, imo. I like that Vinny is finding the positives, considering we’re a whopping 4 games into the regular season, and I like that he does it without trying to stretch the truth about what went wrong. If that means he repeats himself after a tough loss, I’m good with it.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Let's Trade Gordon, Deng, and the Hughes...
I think the crew that wipes the floor off during play stoppages in Sacramento do a fine job. We should make a deal for them… I know that’s a high asking price, but Paxson can swing a deal… maybe involve the Knicks…
lol
debbie downer…
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
What Gordon has to realize now that Derrick is playing
If he moves without the ball, Rose will find him!
Instead, he feels like the only way he’ll have a chance to save the game is for him to handle AND shoot when the game is on the line
The coach needs to remind him of that
They had a timeout there. Maybe a veteran team doesn’t need to take one there, but this team definitely does.
I wasn't watching when Noah was out there
Was he really that bad? I see that he played only 4 minutes, so I assume he was awful out there.
Yeah, I was thinking that VDN was logical for some reason
That makes no sense, then.
not bad
but Gray is ahead of Noah on VDN’s depth chart for some reason
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
Not awful…VDN thought Gray gave us a lift.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
We didn't need lifts
we needed rebounds. Gray has terrible hands. He only rebounds if he is coming right at his chest. So maddening.
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Howard destroys Noah.
He would have had 40, 15, 5 if Noah played significant minutes.
I do wonder what's going on
I’m totally speculating, but Vinny did say Aaron knows the sets best – so is this just a blatant case of Joakim not knowing them, and he’s not playing much till he gets them? He did have trouble last year. Maybe he needs to try Beasley’s iPod play/song matching thing – they seem sort of like kindred spirits. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
i totally agree
i think Noah is going the wrong way on the offensive sets and making mistakes on the defense too. I also think that is why Tyrus got pulled. Too many miscues.
you guys are overreacting to Ben Gordon
he was also the guy who shot the Bulls back into the game, hit the prior shot and played his best game of the season. Should Gordon have forced that shot no. But its VDN first close game. It is their first time with Derrick Rose. They will figure it out. Gordon and Noce shot the Bulls back into the game. Don’t forget that. He wasn’t a liability on defense. He and Rose looked good together in the backcourt.
They will learn pass it to Rose soon enough. Chill
Ben Gordon should start. Rose should start next to him. Deng needs to wake up. And Tyrus needs to go read his playbook.
Gordon helped us get in it
but he also did his part to keep us behind.
Deng and Tyrus were the bigger problems, but Gordon’s shot selection is still scary.
::ululations::
The one I’m really mad at is Paxson. He hired this guy.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Can we have Mike Singletary give VDN some advice
Something along the lines of “I’d rather go out there every possession with only 1 player and get penalized every possession. Can’t coach them. Can’t win with them. Can’t do it.”
Then have Singletary pull down his pants during half time. Not for any reason; just for the heck of it.
I think blaming VDN is a little bit overreacting
Paxson was the one who gave VDN this mess of a lineup to deal with, and this team is showing shades of last year with dropping into huge deficits. Perhaps this team just cannot/will not work together, and thus Paxson deserves more of the blame. We have all these players now; he has got to make a move for somebody
If so, why didn't Pax made a move yet?
What is he waiting for to get some good players to this team?
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Fuck Ben!
:::ahhhhh
I feel alot better
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury "The Great"
as mad at ben i know we all seem to be
i have to realize that we had 3 guys 6’3 and under while they had 3 guys 6’10 and taller out there! how the fuck were we supposed to win this one??? please vinny, give us a chance!
I'm pretty sure the word is "then" not 'than"
must be a product of the Chicago public school system
He may not have finished his thought,,,
I felt that there was a direct comparison coming down that pipeline
no Hinrich was guarding him.
that was the match-up. And he actually did pretty well.
Kirk did an exceptional job on him, I thought,
considering he gives up at least 6 inches and Hedo’s known as something of an offensive guy. But totally agree – maybe for a seriously short period, but that small lineup forever till the end of games seems to be close to Vinny’s heart, too.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
that was absolute ridiculous
i know they were trying to space the floor for some shooting, but having hinrich guard turkoglu for that long is a fucking joke.
but he did a good job and they got back into the game
i don’t understand the beef
If it weren't for that lineup
the Bulls would have lost by 20. Just because it’s small doesn’t mean it’s bad.
i have doubts about that
and i don’t have a problem with small lineups in certain situations, but they were using a huge lineup against us. it gives us a speed/shooting advantage, but it’s not particularly practical for the matchup.
that and i’m sorry if the 3 guard lineup gives me bad visions of skiles…
Well the plus minus indicators seem to say otherwise
Gordon +20
Hinrich +14
Rose – 8
i'd be curious to see the gameflow
also, hedo isn’t going to go 3-16 every night. he could have easily torched hinrich but he missed a lot. and hinrich had only 4 pts, it wasn’t like he was lighting it up out there.
i just don’t like to see this because i don’t particularly want this to become a trend. orlando is unusual in the height they have with hedo-rashard-dwight but it does put the guys at a disadvantage to be running around the bigger guys all night.
Hinrich was infinately better on "TurkeyGlue" than Deng was
Both Peirce in the Boston game and Turkoglu tonight blew by Deng at will. Is Deng wearing the new Air Lead shoes by Ben Gordon.
There's some kind of underlying theme to your posts.
It’s on the tip of my toungue, but I can’t quite figure it out.
Deng for Beasely anyone
As I screamed from the highest blogtop from the instant that the Bulls got the first pick we should have traded Deng and anyone else Miami wanted(Gordon, Gooden, Nocioni, or Hinrich) for the #2 Pick(Beasely). According to the New York Post yesterday Pat Riley was desperately trying to trade the pick. They would have had to make the trade before the draft, doubt they would consider it now. And as it turns out Beasely is a 3 and not a 4 so we wouldn’t have needed Deng anyway.
But if Beasley had a game like the one he had against the Knicks (yes, the Knicks)...
people would have been castrating Pax with a plastic spoon.
I would love to see Beasley on this team, but my point is that, as this whole thread demonstrates, people get nuts over anything
Ben Gordon absolutely needs to go. This whole team is garbage outside of Rose. A mass exodus of all these jokers is in order. Build around Rose, then we'll talk.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2008 8:55 PM CST reply actions
But first trade Pax
He’s not the GM that we need. He doesn’t know how to make a good trade to improve the team…
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Thomas
Was the best thing that happened to Pax, because he gave him a chance to send to the knicks all our crap…
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
On the other hand, Pax turned all those picks into nada.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 3, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Had Pax not missed on all of his prior picks..
We wouldn’t have ended up with Rose.
Can’t have it both ways. Sure we could have had a fully functional starting 5 an no need for Rose, but still..
But now we have Rose
But did you see Pax doing something to improve this team? I didn’t
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
It takes two teams to trade
Sure, we can waive players, but that just gets rid of the bad.
Our team is playing bad. Our players are playing bad. Thus, our players’ value is low. What team looks at Deng’s 5-45 (I don’t know the exact stat) over the last few games and thinks “I MUST HAVE THAT!”?
Who looks at Gordon and things “I WANT A SHORT 2 GUARD THAT DRIBBLES OFF OF HIS KNEE REGULARLY?”
Who looks at Kirk and says, “I have this bump in the middle of my court, I need someone to dribble, dribble, dribble all over it and not make a shot or pass.”
I think Pax has been trying, but unless it’s a trade like Kirk for Duhon, no one will do it…
He already missed a possible trade with Denver
They needed a PG, we have one to trade and Pax did nothing. Result: They got Billups
GS needs a PG, Harrington wants to leave, and Pax does nothing. Possible result: They get other PG and we stick with the same team
We need a good 4 or 5, or just help on that spots, and what Pax do? Nothing, nothing, nothing…
WAIVE HIM
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Hmmm… Kirk/Gordon or Chauncey Billups? I’ll take a multiple time all-star. Would we want Iverson? We don’t need more Guards (let alone high-paid aging guards with a lot of miles).
We probably won’t want Harrington. Where/When would he play. He is like a slightly taller Deng or a slightly more athletic Nocioni. We don’t need any more finesse forwards.
How many good 4 or 5s are available? Then try to find which ones any combination of our players can get them.
To limit things further...
Name a good 4 or 5 that is a post up player. A lot of them now are finesse/face up types. We have players that try to be that…
Available? None
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
My idea was giving up Kirk for Camby on the offseason, not getting AI
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Camby? He wouldn't go for it.
He wants to be on a contender. After being traded today, he’s saying he’s contemplating retiring.
Again, nothing doing.
Are you sure you're talking about Camby and not McDyess
Because if you’re talking about Camby, the Clippers are not a contender… In my opinion
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
My mistake I was thinking McDyess
Camby was much like a signing than a trade. It was Camby for a 2nd round pick, I think.
The Clips had cap space to do it, and the “White and Creamies” were looking for a salary dump.
Wasn’t going to happen for the Bulls
Deng's untradable as of right now
but it’s only 4 games. He looks like the third option on an inconsistent team. He has disappointed like I feared he would but the hope exists in that it is early in the season.
This team looked like shit and still should have won this game. I don’t understand why the ball is out of Rose’s hands as much as it was tonight.
I think it is time to start Noah at the 4 and to start looking to deal Tyrus, in a package with Drew, Kirk, or whomever that will improve the team, hopefully miraculously landing a competent big man, maybe even a Boozer for those smoking what I am. I am fearing that Tyrus will only diminish his trade value going forward. I hope this is just an overreaction.
by messwiththebull on Nov 3, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe i'm overreacting to
But if what Tyrus showed in the last three games is what we’re going to see all season, i agree with you. We should find a way to trade him
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
yeah....
he is too out of control…..needs to reign in and play his game…which is rebound and block shots and catch lob passes and dunk
How can he dunk
if he’s to far away from the basket and always making jshots? :s
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
exactly....
thats why i said he shud let rose set him up and only take the dunks if they are there…jsut stay around the basket
I don't even remenber an alley oop made by him...
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
haha...
good point…..well id actually rather start
ROSE
GORDON
DENG
GOODEN
NOAH
not TYrus he could be an energy player….he just reminds me of a more athletic Varejao
Wait
My bad. I remember now. He made one. On the Bucks game, when we stole the ball, gave it to Rose and then got the alley oop…
I like Tyrus and I would start him every time. But not playing like he’s been doing most recently. He needs to stop, think and then make something…
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
On the other hand,
If Deng had just hit three or four shots we would have had more points than them at the end.
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if only Ben Gordon didn't have blinders on to eliminate superstars from his tunnelvision on the hoop.
Ben’s thoughts = must shoot the ball. must make money. must… oh, shit I suck.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
I see what you did there
Hopefully Gray can settle into that role
by Syxx on Nov 3, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tunnel vision
doesn’t disappear overnight. [I’m more confident that it will disappear than a lot of people here, though …]
I know Im repeating myself
but it baffles me how awesome Deng and Hughes are in 2K9..and Gordon just sucks cuz he always gets his midget shots blocked by anyone over 6’4". We need justice in this world!
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury "The Great"
Overall reaction: nice game Bulls.
This was a vast improvement over the Celtics game.
Despite the fact that I reflexively despise the small lineups as a result of Skilestrauma™, it was actually an effective adjustment by VDN.
Gordon played well, but as history demonstrates, he simply is not athletic enough or large enough to consistently score in the lane at the end of games when opposing teams actually decide to play stringent defense.
In his last three “drives” in the fourth quarter, he (1) committed the quintessential Gordon turnover when simply lost control of the ball in the lane; (2) made a tough turnaround jumper; and (3) threw up an inconceivably stupid shot when the Bulls were down by two with less than 24 seconds left.
What pisses me off is that he never even looked to pass on the last possession. He made up his mind (it appeared) when he got the ball at the three point line. He was going to drive and he was going to shoot. If I were cynical, I might conclude that was a “free agency” shot, i.e. Ben is intent on proving that he is big time closer worthy of the big coin. After all, he is “The Rainmaker.” Five on one, come and get some. Sigh.
Rose was being guarded by Jameer Nelson, who is a terrible defender. Rose had smoked Nelson two plays earlier on a drive. YOU GIVE THE BALL TO ROSE AND LET HIM PENETRATE. HE FORCES THE DEFENSE TO COLLAPSE AND EITHER SCORES OR FINDS THE OPEN MAN. THAT’S WHY WE DRAFTED HIM. THAT’S HOW THIS WORKS NOW.
Whew. OK.
But we’re improving. Orlando is supposed to be one of the best teams in the East.
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by 1958ChiTown on Nov 3, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i agree
call me an optimist, but there was a lot of positives in this game. If the Bulls had one fully competent big man to dump it down to, they would be pretty tough.
As cliche as it sounds, it was nice to see them not just fold.
Down ~17 twice and they came back both times.
If VDN would play our best players as much as possible, we could have won.
If Deng would have played with a sack, we would have won.
If BG would stop ignoring Rose, we would have won.
Overall, solid effort.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Throw in some Noah PT
and stop putting Gooden at center! How many fucking games will it take before Vinny realizes that this guy should not be playing center. It’s maddening.
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 3, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Gooden shouldn't be our center
buy from all accounts in the media Noah doesn’t know his right foot from his left for some reason. He needs to get his act together quickly or we will be living with Gordon as center for a quite a while yet.
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i don't know what Deng's problem is
but the floor spacing would be better with Gordon on the floor.
Orlando is one of the best teams in the East.
If we had this close of a game with Boston, everyone would be stoked about how close we kept it. However, against another lock for the East playoffs (and possibly Eastern Finals), people (myself included) are screaming.
I liked seeing the Bulls not give up.
Gordon needs to learn to move better without the ball. Take a lesson from another player from UCONN, Richard Hamilton.
Rose is still looking like the best player on our team
Noc is still doing what he does. He doesn’t look to pass much, but he is aggressive. He won’t give up on a game. For every time he misses a pass, at least he isn’t dribbling off of his knee. For every time he tosses up a bad shot, he usually is looking to make contact with it.
Also, we need Tyrus to devour more souls.
Orlando is trash...
they’re gonna struggle all year. might get hot and win a few in a row, but they will not be the team most think they will.
We shoulda won. In my opinion we will be better than them soon, if not already. If we can come back from 17 down TWICE, they are not a good team.
They don't look that great to me either
I’m not a big fan of Lewis or Nelson or Pietrus. Hedo is likeable, although very ugly, but I tend to agree that he’s going to go downhill from last year’s production.
Our new resident Genius, VDN
Should have calld a time out to stop Gordon from jacking and actually tried to run a play that would have used up most of the shot clock and only left time for a tip or put back shot, not another ridiculous Gordon with over 10 seconds left.
I'm sick of the same "Blame BG" shit here!!!
Now is Ben Gordon the second coming of MJ?? HELL NO. But he is a guy who’s gonna give you anywhere from 15-20 pts a night and that’s a valuable commodity in the NBA. But what he can’t do is make all the decisions down the stretch. Truth is Rose will grow into that role. But the bigger point being that since the guy who is supposed to be our best player is incapable of coming up big down the stretch then somebody has to try. This is right in line with what I told you all on here last year. That the vanishing act Deng pulls in close games is unbelievable. People thought it was an abberation last year. I hope that you all realize that it’s a trend now.
Gordon and Nocioni give it their best shot down the stretch. Sometimes it works/Sometimes it doesn’t. Bottom line is we ain’t gonna win with that combo carrying us though. I just hope that 6 yr/71 mil doesn’t come back to bite us.
deng wasn't even playing
at the end of the game, so there was no chance for him to reappear.
thank vinny and his lovely 3 guard midget lineup.
Because he played like sh*t before that!
He is who I thought he was…and that’s the bottom line. What “top player” who is worth his weight in salt gets benched in the 4th quarter of a winnable game? You think VDN would have sat Rudy Gay down in the 4th if he had him…or any number of other quality small forwards who don’t disappear on a regular basis? Apparently VDN hasn’t been drinking the kool aid some of us Bulls fans have in regards to Luol Deng these last few years. He sees that this guy needs to be set up for just about everything and can’t create on his own. That can be a problem.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 3, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
i'm not defending his play tonight
for sure, but you can’t accuse a guy of disappearing who wasn’t even playing, was my only point.
Jaina, why wasn't he playing?
Was he injured or something? Please explain to me why matching up Kirk Hinrich with Turkoglu was a better option than matching Deng up with him. Please tell me why.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 3, 2008 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Deng never showed up tonight. He phoned it in.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
i know this is true
as i said, not defending him. just claiming he disappeared tonight in a close game (which wasn’t close the last time he had been in the game) is untrue. the rest about him sucking it up hardcore tonight is true.
Jaina and Cranscape!
I think i remember posting with you both last season about this very same issue so I know you guys have had enough of me and the Luol Deng rants…LOL.
But my point remains that this guy has been the golden child for the Bulls up until now (Rose, rightfully so, is now the golden child). He looks to be the same player he was 2 or 3 years ago but people are still making excuses for him. Excuse time is over!!! His game looks no better than it did a few years back and he looks no different physically. I would have thought he’d bulk up and work on a post game at the least. I think he has peaked though. Nothing wrong with 18 pts 6 rbds, but we have to acknowledge that this is just a regular guy. I think ultimately that we’ll have to move him (along with Hinrich or Gordon like I’ve been saying for about 2 years now) and get more of a thoroughbred on the wing to play with Rose. Exactly who that guy is, I don’t know. But that’s why I’m not the GM. All I know is that Deng isn’t the answer.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 3, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
lol, we've definitely had the deng discussion before
but as brought up around here, his salary is comparable to what other people have gotten recently (that are comparable to him), and he’s not a top dollar guy and also isn’t paid like one! i hope he lives up to his contract, i want him to do well! but yes, he’s been sucking, and i really hope he gets his act together.
I know BG has plenty faults. But can we honestly say...
…that Deng is the second best or second most valuable player on the team? Can we UNANIMOUSLY say that? A case can be made for Gordon being that guy. Hell, as much of a case can be made for Hinrich from time to time. There is no denying that when Deng looks good, he looks really good (again though the same can be said for Hinrich and Gordon). But he is far too inconsistent. At least I know BG will give us 15-20 a night…and a couple turnovers…while keeping us in the game with his shooting and competiveness. And i’m not the biggest Hinrich fan, but at least he competes and I respect that.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 3, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
I too believe that...
…Ben is best as a 6th man. But there is no denying Gordon has the stones to take and make shots in crunch time. Deng runs from it. Always has (except for the Miami playoff series that everyone wants to keep referencing in regards to his potential…and even then BG played just as well).
Deng is a starter, but I didn’t think we should have given him 71 mil for 6 yrs…and although we’re only 4 games in I still don’t believe he’s worth it. I hope to GOD he proves me wrong because he’s gotta be that good for us to win. But I’m not optimistic.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 3, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ben played slightly under 33 minutes and was +20 tonight
The team lost by 3.
So in those 15 minutes Ben didn’t play…
The end of the game stuff can and needs to be fixed – but so does the beginning of quarter lack of offense.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
First and foremost
It is painfully clear that Thomas does not deserve to start, this is far more obvious than the Thabo haters argument. Removing Thomas from the starting lineup solves 2 problems, since Gooden would no longer start as an overmatched center, and Noah our only energy big would start at center. But this apparently won’thappen because Noah insulted VDN’s mother and is under orders from above to start Thomas.
Pay attention to the media
Noah has been out of position on both sides of the floor. I want him to play as much as the next person, but if he is off he is off.
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So when he gets up to speed, start him
by messwiththebull on Nov 3, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
at the 4
even if it means Drew stays the 5.
by messwiththebull on Nov 3, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
starting 5
Look, can we all admit this team is going nowhere this year? Rose looks like a stud at PG. Why don’t we stop pretending and just call it a rebuilding/development year.
Most of the minutes should go to Noah at Center, Tyrus at small forward, Deng (as badly as he’s played), Rose at PG (but please don’t burn him out in one year). We don’t have a starting NBA shooting guard, so I say continue to start teh Swiss wonder. Have Hinrich back up Rose, Gray back up Noah, Noce back up Deng, Gordon back up Thabo, and Gooden back up Tyrus. Besides Rose, you split up the rest of the minutes among the other guards.
Win or lose – STICK to this rotation throughout the year unless there are injuries. Give a chance for Rose to work with the guys who will be here next year. Gordon and Gooden will be gone next year (or before the end of this year). Let them develop some team chemistry. Maybe we can get back to playing .500 ball next year.
Of course, I said this much of last season, where I wanted Tyrus and Noah to get lots of minutes, because we weren’t going anywhere last year either. We wasted good development time for them. Yes, they will struggle, but let’s just accept that and let them grow through their struggles.
As much as I love Pax for what he did as a player and what he tried to bring to the Bulls as GM, he’s pretty much been a failure the last couple of years. I think it’s time to try something new there. I have no idea who that would be, but I just think it’s time.
He may be "out of position"
but he is the only Bull who just happens to be in position to at least get his hand on nearly every single rebound as it comes of the rim on offense and defense. If he wasn’t playing 1 on 3 or 4 on the boards and his teammates actually crashed the boards we would come up with at least half of the balls that he keeps alive. He can’t possibly be any bigger of a fuck up(mentally) than Thomas, or Gray, or Gordon for that matter. On a team with so little effort, the one guy with the most should play the most. If our “scorers” could actually score, then Noah could just Noah. As none other than Pat Riley said, Rebounds = Rings, in our case = wins or at least competitiveness. A team that shoots as bad we do has to be a bunch of rabid dogs on the glass. It is our only chance.
Since Gooden does nothing significantly better than Thomas
He shouldn’t start. He’s a dunderhead on defense, at least Tyrus is solid at weak side help. Noah should be the starting center, low muscle and all. He’s the only big man who plays with energy, and when Noah and Tyrus play together the lineup is more athletic, and suited for the up-tempo style Rose would want to play. Hell you can even put Thabo at the 2 and at least have a solid defensive unit.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Deng was 0-8 from the field in 26 minutes. Sorry, but that's just hilarious.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Seriously
Can anyone explain me why Gray played more than Noah (besides the pictures of VDN, of course)? Is this a sign that VDN doesn’t like much Noah or is he thinking that Noah is not so good after all?
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
It's a sign
that Howard is a monster and Noah can’t match up. Howard is twice as big, twice as strong, and jumps higher. The key to Howard is make him score over you and not through you. Gray is the one guy he can’t go through. Noah would have been mauled.
But we saw Gooden defending Howard a lot of time
That was not only about Gray. It’s the thing that he doesn’t seem to appreciate Noah…
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Gooden is a stronger defender than Noah too
I think it made complete sense. All Noah can do is front Howard. Bulls don’t seem to do that much under VDN making Noah kind of worthless.
So, you're saying he's expendable with VDN?
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Deng is the one expendable with VDN
Tyrus at the 3, Noah at the 4, Drew at the 5 would probably be the lineup more in line with VDN’s vision.
by messwiththebull on Nov 3, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
of course he thought they'd be better than they are
back when he coveted them in AZ
by messwiththebull on Nov 3, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
No I didn't meant that
but there are matchups that Noah isn’t prepared for right now. And by the way, by stronger defender, I meant physically stronger. Noah is the long term Center with Gooden the PF. It’s just Howard is way too physically overwhelming.
VDN definately has problem with Noah
We need to find out what it is, it appears to be Skiles like.
Howard is superman
so leaping over or around a plodding Aaron Gray should be and was quite natural for him. Noah would have at least attempted to “Nocioni” Howard to death. The thing that great athletes like the least is someone that is not only in their face but in their chest, in their jock and under their skin. Anyone who watched the Olympics notice that “Superman” disappeared, can anyone name a single center that Howard played against besides Yao Ming.
You obviously didn't watch last year
It was horrible. Noah barely played, because he just couldn’t match up/fouled. Gray held his own.
It means Noah is a 4
if you can’t play him against guys like Howard, then don’t have him as your 5.
by messwiththebull on Nov 3, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
I think your reaching there...
Fortunately, with Hughes’s shoulder, I think you can get away with it…
Sarcasm...it's your friend in these threads. Attempt to detect it at all times.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Detected. I, too was joking with my reference to Hughes not being able to reach...
I guess that one got past people….
Heh. Awesome.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
everybody here is really ignorant....
don’t blame Vinny because the lineup he played is the only one we gained ground with…..and Ben kept us in it and took only 14 shots and made half…he had 3 turnovers but so did Hinrich and Rose and everybody…damn BG is valuable to the team.. I bet you were all cheering when he did make shots…retards…
People would rather have
lost by ten it seems. I prefer to be happy Gordon got us back into the game and hopeful that he will eventually learn to work better with Rose in that situation. It isn’t like he hasn’t had it ingrained in him for four plus years that no one is there to help him out there at the end. He has help now. He has to learn to accept it. He still might. This was the first time he and Rose have been in this situation. If this keeps happening I’ll be pissed. If Gordon starts to rely more on Rose at the end of close games like that we will be very well off. If not we can get rid of Gordon and go back to losing by double digits until we get more firepower for Rose to work with.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
The only problem I have
is Rose not having the ball at the end of the game. That should be made a goddamn law. Now.
Ben played the role we want him to. We know his ups and his downs. We suspect his motivations. Except for the end, I was fine with Ben. Again, make that shit a fucking LAW.
by messwiththebull on Nov 3, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
..yeah i agree
but contrary to belief i think that ben is NOT a selfish player and he works hard and plays for the team…..i really want ben to start with rose…so he can get into more of a rhythm…he will learn don’t worry
selfish
What games are you watching? Is there a BG kool-aide channel somewheer or something?
Whether he scores or not, BG has always been about himself. There has never been any team chemisty when he has been on the floor. When he’s hot you love him, but there is no “Bulls’ offense” when he is on the floor, just “Ben offense”, even when he’s hot.
His NBA role is destined to be a high scorer on bad teams (actually a lot like Hughes). Let’s get rid of him to some other bad team and get started on building towards a good team.
just got home from work, missed game
but someone please fucking tell me that Deng’s line is a fucking joke.
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 3, 2008 9:32 PM CST reply actions
Were you with Deng? Because he missed the game too...
by Syxx on Nov 3, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
:)
did he get injured in the first minute?
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 3, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
That would have been a nice excuse
had it been true. No, VDN just used common knowledge: poo will continue to stink if you leave it on the floor….
1 point? one lousy point for the 70 million dollar man?
bwhahahahahahaahahahaah
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 3, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
People would have been SCREAMING for a trade then
They were offering way too much to begin with, but upping it for a bench player is insane.
People want Nocioni gone because of his contract, but Noc’s would have looks like the best deal ever compared to BG’s…
DERRICK ROSE OR HINRICH???
Is this Rose’s team or Hinrich’s team PAX?
Dammit!! How are you going to let Hinrich AND Gordon COMPLETELY IGNORE ROSE ON OFFENSE???? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?
There were many times when we ran an iso for Gordon….some crappy play with GORDON being the PG with Rose on the freaking FLoor…..and then you have Rose standing in the corner like Peja fucking Stojakovic…
Goddamit….if these clowns can actually PLAY alongside Derrick…play SMART….play with patience. Wait for their turn so that Derrick can distribute the ball to them….then they would actually be GOOD
But no….these clowns just try to go 1-on-1, try to create when they even dribble. My god…..
You know….if Rose had the ball a couple of more possessions we would have won this freaking game.
Watching these clowns is worse than watching the knicks
clowns are supposed to be funny
This team is not.
by rquinsee on Nov 3, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
ugh
First this 3 guard lineup has to go. All it did was take possessions away from rose. Pissed me off when i saw Hinrich and Gordon dribbling around looking for their shot.
Second I cant stand gray on the court. Give garbage minutes and nothing else.
Oh and gordon on the last shot was bullshit. Its not your team anymore get over. Bottom line is the ball should have been in rose’s hands the final seconds of the game.
ummm...
yeah i agree it was a stupid shot…..but ben had the best /- on the damn team…hes valuble to the team….just play him his 30 min. a game
+/- isn't that great of an indicator
Dwight Howard was only a +2 and he clearly was GODZILLA when he was out there.
You seriously
wanted us to lose by double digits tonight, right?
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What? How'd you reach that conclusion?
My point was that +/- is not a good indicator, and my excellently employed example clearly indicates that point.
If you are speaking of my other points
1) why reply to the one you did
2) Ctrl+F “Orlando is one of the best teams in the East.”
Reasoning isn’t everyone’s strong suit, I guess..
Yup, I am dumb. You got me there, pal.
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It's not a good indicator of how good a single player did in his minutes
It is a good indicator of how effective the team on the floor was against the guys on the floor for the opponent for any particular guy’s minutes.
Yes, Dwight was a beast – so the other guys must have really sucked for Orlando to only be +2. Ben had both a good individual night and the team was effective when he was out there.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
...
You actually believe and of that +- garbage. Acording to that rose was -8 and he looked the best out there. Sure gordon played well today but he was a ball hog.
We say he has the same role as Vinnie Johnson
and then we criticize him when he fires it up. We gotta pick one here.
by messwiththebull on Nov 3, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
i agree....
u say he’s a sixth man who gives us scoring….how can he score and not shoot…he shot 50% from field and three damn…thats decent
Ben "microwave" Gordon
I don’t think there is much meant favorably when people compare BG to Vinnie.
He was playing for himself yout blind if you actually think that the bulls were playing as a team. Gordon was playing for a contract. Hinrich was dribbling around like a chicken with his head cut off. Bottom line just a terrible game.
I never want to see three guards out there again especially when there all no taller then 6’3
Gordon should have shot less there
in the fourth so we could have lost by ten. This would have made everyone happy I guess.
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Like it or not he played the game he always played
And it isn’t his fault we lost. Not this game. Not with Deng 0-8 from the field. Blame Kirk for leaving the game with 4 points in 34 minutes… Besides… no one will ever convince me that playing Thabo 17 minutes is a good way to win games
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 3, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
I don’t even no what were going to do when hughes get back. I already feel like we have 1 to many guards…
dude.....holy crap
fuck hugues and thabo…sit their ass….take a page out of the Knicks book…he make less than Marbury..sit his ass
Matt: Just read that our bench outscored theirs 47-20
:-D
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
In my humble opinion
We should try and start Gordon, which might hopefully keep us in the game, or put us in front early, which might allow us to relax and get into a rhythm rather than play catch up all game.
Sef can come in with Kirk and Noc, not a bad 3 bench players right there
by rquinsee on Nov 3, 2008 10:03 PM CST reply actions
i'd love to see gordon start with rose
sefolosha leaves a lot to be desired and doesn’t merit a starting spot just because he’s 6’7.
YAY!!!!
finally peple who agree…..thabo sucks balls…..play a 3 guard lineup….BG and ROSE 33-35 min…there is total 96 guard minutes Kirk gets the rest
Thabo could be
an excellent defender off the bench if he works at being consistent in those stretches he is given in that role. It is when you measure him as a starter he looks extremely bad. Because he isn’t a starter. Technically he hasn’t come in from the bench as consistent as he should either yet, but at least that is a goal he has a chance of reaching.
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I prefer an all forward/center lineup
Deng, Noc, Thomas, Gooden, Noah/Gray.
Just try it; see what happens. We know what Rose can do, but who knows what kind of magic this lineup can create…
And Ruffin... LOL
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Kpop ur fucking delusional
3 guard lineup your out of ur god damn mind. Sure it might have been affective tonight but how many teams have done anything playing with 3 small guards. rose and hinrich our PG they should not be playing together bottom line. hinrich should be backing up rose while Gordon starts at Sg.
nooo man....
i dnt really like the 3 guard lineup….but it worked and i agree with gordon starting and hinrich backing
We played a terrible defensive team tonight and we looked lost on offense. Just wait till we play some of the better defensive teams in the league. That shitty 3 guard lineup wont last 5 min
I am going to bed.
It is just me and the drunks up still.
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too bad for you
cuz i’m just gettin started!
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 3, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ehehehehehe.
looks at time of posts, which nobody is responding to
Well this just says it all, don't it?
Gordon’s wild runner came after Lewis missed the second of two free throws with the Magic leading 94-92 and 22.8 seconds remaining. Del Negro said he “wanted to see if we could get a quick score,” choosing not to burn the Bulls’ final timeout.
Gordon said differently.
“We were supposed to rebound and call timeout,” Gordon said. “Instead we pushed it and I rushed the shot. Just a bad decision.”
OH MY GOD BLOW UP THE TEAM
I didn’t watch the game, so naturally I’m not having a panic/heart attack coupled with irritable bowel syndrome like the rest of yous. I heard what happened, chuckled, and now wondering why do we have a new coach if every close game must end the same way. Ben did his part in getting the team close, but WE HAVE A FREAKING #1 PICK WHO’S REALLY GOOD AT STUFF. Give him the rock, let him create, at least they’d have some sort of hope rather than hoping for a BG prayer at the end of the game. Gagggggggggg reflex.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
Watching some of the game on replay, Lu needs to get himself going, like now
I know it’s early in the season, but you can’t be freaking invisible against a bad perimeter D team like Orlando. That’s inexcusable, no matter how much money the guy is getting paid. What the hell is he supposed to do when he matches up against LeBron on Wednsday?
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
no heart
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
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by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 3, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt that's the case, since we've all seen him play hard before
And he is still playing very good defense, so at least there’s that. I dunno what the hell is wrong with him, I’m not looking for 25 ppg, but at least make your presence felt on offense.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the problem is he's having worse than just 'bad shooting nights.'
You don’t even see the guy out there on the court (on the offensive end). And it seems whenever he does shoot, it’s early in the shot clock…and a brick. Plays like that are what lead to easy baskets for the opposition.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Yeah, it sucks that we lost, but I'll get over it
Until the coaching staff (or Rose himself) gets everyone to realize that there’s an actual leader on the team, things won’t change in these situations.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2008 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
It is too late now, but Deng for Beasely?
As I screamed from the top of the blogosphere from the instant that the Bulls won the lottery and the right to take Rose first. The Bulls should have gotten on the phone with Miami and offered Deng and any combination of (Gooden, Gordon, HInrich, and Nocioni for the #2 pick(in order to take Beasely). Since it has already been proved that Beasely is going to be a 3 in the NBA (as I opined) we wouldn’t need Deng.
Beasely is already a better pure shooter and scorer than anybody currently on the Bulls, he is not however a dominating low post scorer.
I’m guessing Miami would have jumped at this deal then, if the report in yesterday’s NY Post is true that Pat Riley was “desperate” to trade the pick. Maybe we can still hoodwink them into some form of this trade.
Rose, Thabo, Beasely, Noah and whoever we had left at the 4 would have been more fun to watch than this sickening repeat of last years Mope a Dope.
Actually if the Beasely deal failed or even if it succeeded, with whatever we had left, I would have tried to make a three way work with Minnesota and Memphis to get O.J.Mayo on the Bulls and Kevin Love on Minnesota. Then we could be watching Rose, Mayo, Beasely, Noah and some scrubs picked up in free agency, but at least it would be fun
Come on, BigWay
Beasley will not be a solution. I do agree with a Deng trade for I am a Noce believer but for a big guy, a post player. Not another shooter
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 4, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Solution is easy
Solution is simple. If BG starts he wont think he needs to prove a point every time he is on the court. Why cant we go Rose BG in the back court to start and bring Kirk off the bench for either or. End of story, give Thabo spot duty minutes and leave Larry glued to his seat.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Nov 4, 2008 12:27 AM CST reply actions
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