Open Game Thread #4: Bulls at Orlando Magic - OVERFLOW
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:30 PM CST
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And all of the sudden we can't score.
Hmmm what changed? Oh yeah, Thabo starting BG sitting. This makes lots of sense.
"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"
don't worry
Drew Gooden thinks he’s really hot tonight.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
can someone tell me why
This is so hard for the Bulls to understand? Getting into a hole to start with is NOT the way to win games
by rquinsee on Nov 3, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
They should have started
the third quarter with the guys who were working the best in the first half. Screw the starting lineup.
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But that takes too much thought!
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why is Thabo shooting the technical FT?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:34 PM CST reply actions
He's just playing soft in general, all season.
"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"
oh, Tyrus
that was two awful possessions from him.
but why bring in Noc? he does the same stupid shit
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:36 PM CST reply actions
Nocioni doesn't do the same shit
Tyrus Thomas is on another level. What that level is, I don’t know.
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by MPG on Nov 3, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Can we all agree Thabo should no longer start? Gordon's better
by DangerMouse on Nov 3, 2008 7:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Come now.
It has to be at least 1/5 of our problem when he is on the floor.
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No we can't
If you watched anything but Gordon’s shooting you would realize what an absolute slug he is. After his disgusting display of ballhandling that led to a turnover and a fastbreak dunk for Courtney Lee, Gordon never took even a single step toward getting back to defend the fast break that he caused, His peanut brain just shut down and he stood there planted in concrete. He does this every single time that he creates his own turnover, he is a quiter plain and simple. The only place this guy should start is at the neighborhood playground. The way things are right now Thabo should start for Deng.
VDN's lineups are abysmal
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Embarrassing
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
What does Deng do for us?
We have some guys that are really bad for far too many minutes, but Deng is a soft serve ice cream cone.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
We need BG to hit like 8 more threes
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Except when Gordon.
Dribbles, pops and misses. One on five.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
too many 'heat-checks' on this team
including Drew Gooden’s whole career
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
We put our bench in and suddenly we shoot better.
Who knows though. It is one of those mysteries of life.
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Noc!
I am going to take points any where they come from at this point. Besides Deng because he isn’t giving any out tonight.
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I can't believe how bad Deng's been tonight
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
i shouldn't say bad
it’s more like nonexistent
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
If everyone played
even to their average numbers we wouldn’t be half bad. Where is everyone this season? Kirk is one of our most consistent guys. Something is amiss.
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Can anyone honestly say that if Nocioni was our starting SF we'd be worse off?
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 3, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
i can
i’d rather have nothing than aggressively hurting things.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
nah
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
As I read this Noc makes another 2pts.
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Have you seen him on defense though?
He’s absolutely atrocious. He always lets his man zoom past him, and then commits some bullshit foul. He’s dumbfounded off of screens 25% of the time as well.
And whenever he drives on offense, it’s as bad (or worse) than when BG does it. He flails, screams, and almost trips over himself. He can shoot from behind the arc, though.
by NittanyCub on Nov 3, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
but he foul out in 15 minutes so...
it goes both ways
With Thabo
lined up to take two fouls for us straight off and Noc taking all of his in 15 minutes the rest of our guys would be foul free.
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You can't believe that? Really?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
The problem tonight.
The Bulls are not getting to the line. Our free throw shooting/foul drawing has been one of the strengths of the team early in the season…tonight, its like every call that could go the Bulls way is not…
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
And for God sake
hire a coach.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
just get it close
and Rose is the ace in the hole
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:48 PM CST reply actions
Bad call on Aaron Gray
That was all ball.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
Noc for three! I'll take it!
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Why is Gray playing and not Noah?
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Smith's post game wrap the other night
said he was going to all the wrong places on the court vs. memphis and that’s why he didn’t come back in.
Maybe he’s the first resident of the VDN doghouse.
Apparently Noah
made a joke about VDN’s mother, and we all know how sensitive Italians get about their mothers.
When Howard checks out
Deng should check back in. The offense should shift to ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK the rim.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
Noc. you can stay tonight
you are hitting shots.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:49 PM CST reply actions
and irritating the other team
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
and irritating me
oh, and that irritation got them two extra free throws. I’m sure the Magic are realllly irritated.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Well, he's one of the only guys making shots so I'm not sure why you're so irritated
I’m more bothered by Deng
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ok.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
He at least showed up.
And got into Howard’s way…that should be a “T” on Howard…that was not a flagrant foul!!!
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
Say what you want about Noc, but at least he has some balls...
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not really a priority
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Get this thing under 10 and give the ball to Derrick...we might have a chance!
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Also, start playing HackaDwight
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0 points from the guy he are going to pay 70million
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
now the orlando announcers are ripping
Derrick Rose! they’ve gone too far, too far
Y'KNOW
you need to give us details on bs like that!
they are talking about his assists numbers
and saying they haven’t been impressive and it doesn’t bode well for his ability to run an NBA offense
They mentioned his line
And kinda dissed him for the one assist and a couple other things.
They don’t realize he has to have the shoot first mentality cause everyone else sucks
doesn't know how to run an NBA team,
got a ways to go, only looking for his own shot, turnovers are “unacceptable.”
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by MPG on Nov 3, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
if the Bulls had people whom were able to hit a shot…
-8, 12 minutes remaining, Howard will be out
Gordon and Rose better be in there together.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
BG made an end-of-quarter shot
you all saw it, so stop saying it never happens anymore :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:54 PM CST reply actions
Now give Derrick the ball. Every time. And BG better stay in there.
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but we need Thabo's defense to get us back in the game!!!
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
This isn't supposed to be a reason to condone the type of play thus far,
but some of us need to remember of how lengthy this season is, and how little experience Thomas has had so far in his career. He was thought of as a “raw with talent” player, whatever the hell that is, so I’m thinking patience is best when thinking of him.
Luol Deng has sucked it up on offense though. Step it up maan.
I really wish we had an NBA coach
this lack of an offense is unacceptable.
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Deng went to the basket
(though it was in transition)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 7:57 PM CST reply actions
Deng sighting!
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Get Derrick in, please.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
i think i just jinxed kirk. i noticed he was 1-1 and i wondered when was the last game he shot over 50%.
Cashing checks and having sex.
He's been shooting well the last 3 games
At least I know who to blame it on.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
WHERE IS DERRICK
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Delay, yo.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Gordon with too much dribbling.
When is he gonna learn to pass, then run off screens to get open.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
Nocioni
Attacking the rim aggressively
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
there we go noch
yell your ass off.
anything to pump the rest of the team up
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
Noc is pwning.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Howard sits
Noc is the only Bull to go to the rim in the 3 minutes.
Shoot me.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
man that bailed out kirk
after he had the ball the whole goddamned time
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:04 PM CST reply actions
It's only a matter of time
before people start thinking that Hughes might be a better alternative than Hinrich or Gordon
Yeah, but in part it's the guy you haven't seen screw up lately
Actually put Hughes on the court for a couple of games and you know it evens back out.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Blame Gordon for
Bogan’s 3. Nogans got the rebound and Gordon put his head and then…kaboom!
maybe Rose needs a nametag? or a big funny hat?
something to let the rest of the non-Rose Bulls that he’s Derrick Rose.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:05 PM CST reply actions
or....
every bull who is not derrick rose gets a dog collar put on them.
when rose is on the floor, rose has a remote.
just to remind them
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
these players need to
realize that when rose is on the court….get him the fuckin ball and let him create
What the fuck is Kirk doing?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I've never seen a team
so utterly disorganized. Del Negro is completely over his head. Nobody has a role. Nobody plays within themselves. And they literally don’t run an offense.
It’s just dreadful to watch. This would not happen if Dantoni was our coach.
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Eh, he's right for the most part
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The funny thing is that this chaos set has been more effective for the Bulls
Orlando seems to be as caught up in playing sloppy, and it’s working somehow.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Airball from kirk
Fuck!
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Noah.
Three rebounds in four minutes. Why is he not getting more burn tonight? Thomas has landed himself on the bench for long stretches too…Lots of Gooden/Noc/Hinrich in the frontcourt….
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
I know VDN loves playing Gooden
But can’t he play Gooden AND Noah? Or is that too much to ask
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 3, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I play
with Gooden and Noah in my front court in NBA Live all the time LOL
With a competent coach, we'd be winning this game
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big surprise, Noc lost his man behind a screen
he yelled afterwards, don’t worry.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:07 PM CST reply actions
You:Noc::juiceboxjerry:Deng
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first drive the jalopy off the cliff
then find a ferrari
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
gordon and hinrich...
wont let him out of the garage
It's absurd
one point guard. Start there, VDN. You have one point guard on the floor at a time.
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by MPG on Nov 3, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Vinny yelled it all first half
’make him go left!!!"
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
my god
this team is unbearable to watch. So glad we get to watch the phenom Luol Deng for 6 more years.
Thank God he was untouchable during all of those trade rumors!
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Paxson is fkn dumbass
He needs to be canned. How in the world do you assemble a team this inept? At least he didn’t find a way to blow the #1 pick..
KIRK, YOU'RE NOT THE PG ANYMORE
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I get off the phone to find we slipped into a complete meltdown.
I don’t really want to know how or why. Just where is Rose?
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Oh, never mind.
He doesn’t ever have the ball anymore so I didn’t see him.
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Kirk keeps thinking it's still 2007
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I don't know why is not Rose running the point
Is VDN sleeping?
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
Seriously. What is this shit?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
What do you mean?
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
I'm agreeing with you. Why in the world is Derrick not handling it?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I cant believe
Kirk is actually holding Turkoglu tonight. He has 7 inches on him.
Remember last year when Kirk was guarding Brian Cook and the Magic didn’t even try to post him up?
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
This lineup cannot rebound.
We need someone bigger than Kirk at the 3 and bigger than Noc at the four.
Check that, its the roster, not the lineup.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
we get off the bus running....
around with no plan at all on offense
What sucks is that this is a winnable game
I haven’t been impressed with Orlando at all. I hope they’re happy winning 45-50 games a year and losing in the second round every year, because that’s where they’ve maxed out.
They're a bunch of jump-shooting pussies for the most part
As I said earlier, if we had a coach who could establish a real gameplan and knew how to rotate our players, we should be winning this one.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
It's hard to believe this game is this close
Shouldn’t we be getting killed?
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
No. We should be winning, but it appears our coach doesn't want to.
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He's letting Kirk Hinrich dominate the ball. That's all the coach's fault. Sorry.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Oh yeah, and he started Thabo both halves...
and guess what? We got in huge holes both times!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
BG is a much better idea than Thabo when you can't score points
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the bulls are playing 4 on 5 when he is out there. he is completely
inept in a half court offense. he needs to sit down.
Not taking shots
means yet another guy out there that isn’t there for offense. Granted if Thabo takes more shots he’d likely have a Hughes night. With Gooden, Tyrus, and Deng not shooting well you throw in Thabo and he isn’t even playing offense pretty much. We have Rose…and Rose out there as an offensive threat.
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True, but he was only out for 16 mins
He didn’t help the team, but he didn’t put them in those holes either
We went down 17
after starting the 3rd nearly tied up. We had no offense. None. Thabo was a part of that four minute disaster in that quarter. It was a big mistake not to start the third with the guys who were working well in that first half. Meaning Thabo should not have been out there.
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He also started Tyrus and Deng.
How much have they given us tonight? The starters are having a bad night…
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
But there's no clearly better options at the 3 and 4 than Tyrus and Deng
At the 2, there’s 2 guys on the bench who are both better than Thabo. It’s pretty simple.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Deng I agree
I’m not ready to give up on Tyrus, and I favor a long leash… but that being said I’m starting to see the end of it.
Same here.
I’ve been a serious Tyrus proponent for a long time now, but damn, the guy seems to have an awfully low basketball IQ. Like, startlingly bad.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I really don't know why
he is doing zilch near the basket. He had more offense down there as a rookie. Why is he playing so far outside?
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What?
Who is clearly a better option than Thabo? Clearly…
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich? Clearly.
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Really?
I just don’t agree…Hinrich is a capable back-up combo guard and Gordon is a one dimensional role player. There is no reason either should start in front of someone who needs developmental minutes next to Rose.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
Wait, so because he needs development means he's better than BG and Hinrich?
Sweet logic.
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You said clearly better options.
I am saying that development of our young talent should be a priority rather than trotting out role players masquerading as starters
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
He needs that time to
develop into the bench player he was always destined to be.
Seriously, I don’t remember him being drafted in the top ten and expected to be a future NBA starter. The guy was drafted late and was supposed to be a defensive specialist off the bench. Water him all you want, he will till grow up to be a dandelion. The guy needs to get proficient at coming in off the bench. Giving him meaningless starting minutes that is disastrous to the team is worst case scenario for “development”. He needs to learn his role. The fact they are playing around with his role is evidence they are not doing what they said they’d do — give guys clearly defined roles they can succeed at. Thabo will continue to be disappointing as a starter. Not his fault, just a fact. We will have to bring in a real SG for Rose. In the meanwhile I’d rather we have our current best guy out there so we can at least give Rose a chance to get an assist now and then.
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Dude...
Why does Thabo need developmental minutes next to Rose?
It ain’t gonna help Rose develop, which is the only sort of developing we should be concerned about.
And Thabo ain’t gonna develop into the kind of player we need next to Rose even if he develops into something useful. I don’t think he’s totally awfull so far, but he’s been a complete non-entity, he looks to lack confidence, and he hasn’t shown much improvement.
If we traded away Ben and Kirk, then we’d be drafting a SG next year because we Thabo’s not developing into much that I can tell.
Do you think Thabo is a finished product?
Because I don’t think he is…I am of the opinion that we know who Gordon and Hinrich are, and they are not good fits next to Rose…Thabo is an unknown quantity…we need to see what he can develop into…if anything. But, you seem think you know what type of player Thabo can be…so it makes sense that you don’t think he will improve as a player. I disagree.
I don’t think either Hinrich nor Gordon will be with the Bulls in the future, so their minutes as starters are a complete waste. We should at least find out if Thabo is another pea in the same pod or if he can be a part of our future.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
Does it actually matter this season?
Do you think we are winning the championship this year? Or that this roster is going to be around in three years? Please…
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
So...
… in another thread you were saying Hinrich needed to be kept around for his stabilizing influence and we shouldn’t be messing about getting the team salary cap in shape or with with a lesser player like Martell Webster, even if he might be decent for us in three years.
Here is my big issue with your argument
For the sake of this motion, counselor, let’s agree that Thabo deserves some developmental minutes. Those do not need to be minutes at the start of the quarters. It’s a bad set-up for the whole team when the starting lineup provides little offense and no serious outside threats. Thabo could get his 15 minutes a game that he’s getting even as a starter at a different point in the game, and the team could at the same time be in a better position to win.
You want to pick between the cake and the frosting, but go for the both of them together, man! ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
OK, turn it around... what do you see?
I see a guy who’s now in his third year and looks like he’s bringing very little to the table for us. He’s not completely unknown… we know quite a bit about him. Obviously there are exceptions to every rule, but the more you know the more exceptional he’d have to be to merit the investment.
By that, i mean, sure, someone can say “sure, some players just need more time and don’t develop until they’re in their third (or later) seasons. And you can say "sure, some players just play better in longer stints” and you can say “sure, some players suddenly learn how to shoot and develop better anticipation”. And sure, some players suddenly start playing better in their mid-20s.
There are exceptions to all of those rules individually. But Thabo would have to be an exception to most every rule you can think of… all at the same time… just to develop into a guy we’d really want to spend that time on.
And then what do we get? A guy who, just by nature of his game (even if it’s stepped up a notch) doesn’t look like a really good fit next to Deng and Rose (because we’ll need a shooter there).
On the other hand, I strongly disagree that starting the better player(s) with Rose is a waste. You want to teach him how to win and how to play with better players. Putting him in any sort of position to fail just to see about Thabo just seems batshit crazy to me.
We're actually shooting better, hard as that is to believe.
And if you took out Lu’s miserable shooting performance we’d be close to .500 shooting
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Not only that
But if we hadnt dug ourselves into those big holes to start the halves we might actually be winning
by rquinsee on Nov 3, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Are they freezing Rose out?
This is getting comical now.
Which is why if Pax were even semi-competent, he'd ship some of these guys out
But no, he can’t afford to possibly lose both Kirk and BG!!!!!!!
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Everything about this organization is about to make my head explode right now.
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this offense is pissing me off
all i’ve seen since rose got in is somebody else handle the ball
while rose stands in the corner
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
orlando's offense...
is very similar to the bulls….with the exception of a real center.
Imagine what we could do with Howard on our side
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
my head
is about to explode. I don’t think i’m going to make it through this season alive.
At least he's produced tonight.
Even with a few bad plays sprinkled in, I’ll take his performance over Lu’s.
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Deng's stat line:
(grabbing a tissue, i’ll post them later)
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
what exactly did Deng work on this summer?
only things that seems different is the goatee
He played against lesser talent
and racked up 29ppg. He was the man and it worked.
Against better defense. 0-8.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
Boylan>VDN
Yeah, I said it.
That fucking three guard lineup is the dumbest thing I have EVER seen, especially when it appears as if Rose is playing small forward!
My feed is going to crap.
Not that I really want to see this trash anyway, but now I don’t know if I am yelling at Deng or Gooden or what blobby thing on the screen just screwed up.
Oh look, the ads come in just perfect though.
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Luol
Last three games he is 6-30. I’ve never seen this type of brutal strech by a player in my life!
Oh, i'm sorry Luol Deng was an all-star last year right?
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 3, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't understand potential either
I’m still wondering why Andre Iguodala hasn’t been traded from the ’6ers after not being voted into a fan-based team.
!!!!
that's because you're slow
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Tyrus may have matched that thanks to the Boston game
Nice to see the players competing with one another to set new records for shooting futility.
Orlando is trying to give the Bulls this game
If Deng even had had a normal bad game instead of a God-awful atrocious game . . .
Yep. It's sad.
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He's got pictures on VDN. Right? He has to.
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Gray has officially overtaken Noah on the depth chart
How is that possible?
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 3, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
You have a coach who hasn't ever coached before, yet somehow he gets an NBA gig.
That’s how.
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gordon likes losing the ball in the clutch
against orlando. last years game still is burnt in my memory
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
Gordon loses the ball
I’ve never seen that before!
Ben with a turnover in crunch time!
And Rose doesn’t touch the ball!
What in the goddamn hell?
is this the play every time down?
have Rose stand in the corner?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:26 PM CST reply actions
No, no, no
the play has been for the last 4 seasons counting – give Gordon the ball and watch him turn it over.
If he drew it up,
he should be fired. Luckily, I don’t think VDN draws up plays.
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by MPG on Nov 3, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Are they actually running plays?
I honestly can’t tell. Seems like Noc and Gordon just are shooting whenever they touch it.
WTF Gordon!
I can’t wait to get some new blood onto this team. Players whom actually will defer to Rose and let him create plays for them!
if vinny doesnt tell them...
to give the ball to Rose….then he’s a horrible coach.
like i said earlier
every bull who is not derrick rose gets a dog collar put on them.
when rose is on the floor, rose has a remote.
just to remind them
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
and mentally challenged
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Gordon *shakes head*
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the orlando announcers
just said Nocioni’s injury was self inflicted. Comment of the night
How is that not a travel
"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"
we cant unless he gets the ball
under 2min
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
i've never seen gray..
grab a ball firmly with two hands in traffic….i’m sick of all that tapping the ball shit he does.
Rose and BG with consecutive quick baskets
and Gray had a box-out on the other end. I swear I saw it :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:30 PM CST reply actions
thats not gonna help with the pay-raise
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
he sucks and should not be allowed to take the last shot anymore ever. that was a gimme my money shot.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
well he made the shot before that
but I agree it should be Rose in last-second situations from now on. And realize this actually helps him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
It's not that he missed,
it’s that he shot it in that situation that makes it so selfish. You take a time out. You draw up a play. And Gordon knows that.
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by MPG on Nov 3, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
ugh
wtf, do they need a sit-down and introduction to Rose?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:32 PM CST reply actions
less time to dribble off his foot
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Gordon is a fucking gun. Can we trade his “I need to be the hero cuz I need a new contract” ass?
down by 2 with 20 seconds to go. that's the shot bg takes....just sad.
Cashing checks and having sex.
your worst nightmare
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
juiceboxjerry kept commenting?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
what?
miss on purpose?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
It was incredibly selfish.
And stupid. Call timeout. Set up a play.
Nope. BG was all about getting his tonight.
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by MPG on Nov 3, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Kirk and Gordon
both have got to go and are standing in the way of a star. Trade or get rid of both of the wanta bees..
by exult463 on Nov 3, 2008 8:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
nah, he's not.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
It definitely looks that way
It’s sad to see how little effort is being employed by the rest of our players.
Rose and Noc are the only two guys on our team that seem to try hard no matter the situation.
Every time. Every fucking time. Every goddamn mother fucking time.
You little one on one piece of shit. Run a play. GIVE THE DAMN BALL TO ROSE AND RUN A FUCKING PLAY. VDN needs to bench Gordon’s ass for an entire game and stop being retarded with his rotations. He needs to lock Lu in the gym with a basketball and make him shoot a hundred thousand shots (i’m sure he’ll miss 99k though). PLAY TYRUS THOMAS! PLAY JOAKIM NOAH! STOP PLAYING A THREE GUARD LINEUP! GOOOODAMNIT.
::speechless::
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I Hate Ben Gordon soooooo much,
I wish he wasn’t a Bull so badly. The Bulls will never go far with his useless ball hogging antics. He flat out stinks. Even his great shooting is negated by his poor shot selection at crucial moments. He’ll cut his own finger off before he’ll pass the ball. That doesnt work when you’re a average athlete who’s 6 feet tall in this league. Pax has to get him out of here ASAP!
What the fuck was Ben Gordon doing?
What. The. Fuck.
With less than 24 left down by 2, you wait to take the last shot unless you have a GREAT look. That wasn’t a GREAT look. Otherwise, you needlessly give Orlando a chance to win.
Second of all, give the ball to Rose and let him create in that situation, Gordon. Get the fuck out of the way. You aren’t the featured player anymore. Get the fuck out of the way.
In his last three “drives” in the 4Q, Gordon made a shot, committed a turnover, and threw a terrible stupid shot on the last possession.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!
Seriously. Get the fuck out of Rose's way.
That was absolutely inexcusable. I don’t give a shit if he made the shot before that. Rose’s was even more impressive.
And why wasn’t VDN yelling for a TO? Oh yeah, because he has no idea what he’s doing.
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were they out of timeouts?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:38 PM CST reply actions
the bulls.com gamecast said
we had a few yet
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Noc missed
the Bulls are done thanks t to BG7’s ridiculous gunning. I am so stressed and it’s only the fourth game of the season.
sigh nice miss tho for the potential game-tying 3.
They’re going to have play much better in Cleveland.
Do I need to wait for the feed to catch up? We lose?
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These are two terrible teams
Did you see who kept that ball alive?
TYRUS THOMAS.
NOW GIVE HIM SOME BURN!!!
Did you see how bad he was?
Good Lord. We’re never going anywhere with him as power forward.
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by MPG on Nov 3, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Did you see how bad our entire team was?
At least Tyrus is able to change the game on the defensive end. It’s the coaching staff’s responsibilty to tell him to take it to the hole and not jack up crap 18 footers. Gooden’s no defense playing ass and Aaron Gray? That’s just not gonna cut it on the defensive end, EVER. I’m so pissed off at VDN, Lu, Kirk, and Ben right now.
Ugh, what an awful way to lose a game. Orlando was begging to blow that game and Ben Gordon screwed us over. AGAIN
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2008 8:39 PM CST reply actions
he also got them in the game in the first place
but sure.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, well so did Noc. So...
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Where was Rose the last five minutes of the game?
Did he ever get the ball in his hands again?
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Rose was playing well this game when he had the ball.
Needless to say, Gordon put a swift end to that.
Noce was awesome
It’s Gordon who killed it. Noce took the 3 at the end cause he was out of time(pretty much)
I wonder...
what spin about BG playing great are we going to get?
by SebastianPruiti on Nov 3, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
who cares.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
new thread is up.
for your trade Luol and BG posts.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2008 8:41 PM CST reply actions
I turned the feed off.
I think I was spared whatever it is you are all railing about. Yay!
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i'm not blaming Ben Gordon for the entire game...
I don’t have anything but visual proof….but everytime Gordon, Noce and Kirk was in the game….they were down 17 pts I believe.
None of them were in the game in the 3rd
when we first got down to that point in the first place. It was our starting lineup. cough And then after that they put in our bench.
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Ah,
you mean every time they were put in the game they had to come back from a deficit? Yes, that’s the truth. It would be nice not to have to dig out of holes repeatedly every game.
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This is going to be too soon, I'm sure
But for as irritated as people are with Ben and Kirk – and I am in total agreement that Derrick needs to have the ball in his hands – the team was still double digits with the “former” backcourt out there (14 Kirk and +20 Ben). Absolutely they need to figure out playing off of Derrick (or Vinny needs to realize this if it’s by design), but the 5 on the floor were most effective with those guys out there tonight.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
we lost!
they kept the ball out of d.rose hands… An Effective loss, still is a loss and worst still, players don’t know their roles and the coach staff doesn’t either.
That goes with the "this is going to be too soon, I'm sure" part
Yes, Derrick needs to have the ball in his hands – I said that. But Derrick having the ball the entire 48 minutes without those two playing tonight doesn’t get the team a win. Other lineups just weren’t effective.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
you guys are way overreacting to Ben Gordon
he was also the guy who shot the Bulls back into the game, hit the prior shot and played his best game of the season. Should Gordon have forced that shot no. But its VDN first close game. It is their first time with Derrick Rose. They will figure it out. Gordon and Noce shot the Bulls back into the game. Don’t forget that. He wasn’t a liability on defense. He and Rose looked good together in the backcourt.
They will learn pass it to Rose soon enough. Chill
It shouldn't take any more time to "learn" to pass it to Rose.
That was just selfish play by some of our guys tonight. Or, if it wasn’t selfish, it was pure stupidity.
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I saw it the same way Illini
its time out for excuses, surely we have made many for these players over the last three years.
Time to exercise some tough love for the Dengs and Thomases with their combined total of 8 pts, heck Michael Ruffin if healthly might have player better? Well maybe that last comment is a stretch…!
i think it can be a learning moment
and I think BG and Rose is our best back court. Guys have to learn their roles. If anyone deserves blame for ball hogging its Kirk Hinrich. He went through 4 straight possessions where he did absolutely nothing.
UNACCEPTABLE!!!
Luol Deng was M.I.A. in the worst way tonight. This is a classic example of one of those games where guys wanna pin the blame on BG (although that last shot wasn’t the greatest) when the truth is if Deng had played THE MOST AVERAGE GAME OF HIS LIFE we could have won. I’ve tried to refrain from saying so and be a bit more objective….but this guy is a bum. No player of Deng’s “alleged” potential should EVER be this much of a non-factor. And people are busy trying to run BG out of town. If Deng had half a heart then he’d be the one taking shots down the stretch instead of BG/Nocioni.
I know it’s only one game and i’m sure he’ll play better…particularly after this game. But I am DISGUSTED by Deng’s performance tonight. “Potential” all-stars just don’t have games like this where they are COMPLETE non-factors.
All of our starting forwards don't make 71 million!!!
I’m simply saying that along with the big payday comes big responsiblity. Now i’m not saying the guy has to score 40 every night or anything like that, but he absolutely must be a factor in some way, shape or form EVERY NIGHT. Too often he isn’t a factor. Tonight, he was the biggest waste of space I’ve ever seen.
Bottom line, you can’t be Luol Deng and be so invisible!!! I asked this question in another post, “Name another prominent small forward that goes M.I.A as often as Deng does when the game counts for something and is within reach”. I challenge anyone to name somebody that comes up as small as Deng…and it’s making me sick to my stomach.
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