Building a Championship Team
With all this talk about 2010 lately and dreams of bringing Wade, Lebron, Bosh, and Amare to Chicago to play with Rose, I decided to write something about a plan to craft a true championship team. A real NBA dynasty. The above team is first of all impossible (although not as impossible as a few years ago). But what I would like to purpose is that it isn't even a good idea. I have loved watching All Star games for years and in the same way, love watching Team USA, which is exactly what the above team is. And it had trouble beating Spain, Argentina and even lost to Greece! We shouldn't be trying to put this team together or emulate it in any way.
We should be looking at the dynasties. Jordan's Bulls, Magic's Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Shaq's Lakers. There are more, but these are the one's I know best, so I am going to "play within myself" here and stick with what I know. Some of this information is old hat, but I thought it would be nice to put it together and see if we can build something special.
The Recipe
1. You need at least two super stars. (Jordan & Pippen; Magic, Worthy & Kareem; Bird, McHale & Parrish; Shaq & Kobe) The NBA is about superstars. I don't think I need to elaborate here.
2. You need an elite scorer. (Jordan; Worthy; Bird; Kobe) This is a little different than number one. Bosh & Boozer are superstars, but neither are D. Wade or Kobe. When I say elite, I mean that they have to be able to score 35-50 points at will in the finals, just because they refuse to lose. When Pippen wasn't having a great scoring day, but was filling up the other categories, someone had to step up. Jordan could at will. So can the others on this list.
3. You need a center who can score and play defense. (Cartwright; Kareem; Parrish; Shaq) Jordan didn't win until he got Cartwright, even though he didn't want to make the trade for him. I guess it just proves that Jordan has never been good at being a GM. Even the later 3-peat had Luc Longley and several other big back-ups. I use the Bulls as an example, because they are the only ones on the list without a superstar center. So they are the exception, not the rule, but they still needed size and some inside-outside game, even if it was only at the beginning of halves.
4. You need a starter quality player on the bench. (Paxson/Kukoc; A.C. Green; Ainge; Horry) These teams were deep. They all had someone who could come in and put some points on the board off the bench.
5. You need aging All Star/Champion veterans. (Ron Harper/John Salley, Kareem/Mychal Thompson; Bill Walton; Horace Grant/Ron Harper - with the Lakers) We still see this a lot now as stars get older and want to win a ring, they sign for less and take a lesser role to be on a championship team. I say All Star/Champion because they either had to be a former star player that was on the downside/tail-end of their career or were role players for a championship team. Horry and Posey are excellent modern day examples and a big reason Posey got a inflated deal.
6. You need 3 point scorers. (Craig Hodges & John Paxson/Steve Kerr & Jud Buechler; Byron Scott; Larry Bird & Danny Ainge; Derek Fisher, Rick Fox & Robert Horry) Funny side note: I just had a really hard time spelling Fisher's name (Derek) because of one Derrick Rose, even though Fisher's spelling is the common version. While Bird and Ainge didn't have the percentages that the other did, they certainly could hit them when it mattered. Obviously, having a great three point shooter helps pread the floor and would allow Rose to operate. Sometimes you need that big three to either get back in it, to put it away, or to knot it up at the end of a game. Although break aways and dunks can be momentum changers, it is the three ball that is usually "the nail in the coffin."
7. You need a top defender or two. (Jordan, Pippen & Grant/Rodman; A.C. Green; McHale; Shaq & Kobe) You are going to be playing against superstars and somebody has to stop them. The Bulls and the most recent Lakers dynasties can thank their own superstars for being elite on both offense and defense.
One last note: It seems that style of play is not universal, or that great teams could play any style might be closer to accurate. You have to be able to score in transition and in a up tempo game, but also be able to run an effecient half court offense as well. Also rate of play fluctuates. Scoring over a hundred points a game is not the answer, just scoring more than the other team. Some night's it's 148-110 and some nights it's 87-86.
So, on to the current Bulls team.
1. Superstars - We have Derrick Rose. Who do we pair with him? This has been bandied about here on BaB in the midst of the 2010 free agency extraordinaire. Obviously we need another superstar (or two) to get back to the dynasty days and it currently seems that 2010 may be the best option. But which one of the 2010 players is best for the Bulls and Rose? I believe either Chris Bosh or Amar'e Stoudemire. Bosh is better at defense, but Amar'e is someone who can take over a game with his scoring. Also, Stoudemire would be the ultimate running mate on the fast break to throw it down. Both Wade and Lebron, while better than Bosh and Amar'e, need the ball to operate, which would be a conflict of interest with Rose.
2. Elite Scorer - This one is more negligible/fluid right now. Rose looks like he may get there. He is already showing flashes of taking over games. If he is able to get there, it would pair nicely with Bosh. But if he is looking more like Magic than Lebron, Amar'e might be better. Ben Gordon is an elite shooter, but not scorer. He has too many problems handling the ball in crucial moments. Jordan and Kobe aren't dribbling the ball off their feet with the game on the line.
3. Center who can score and paly defense - Chris Kaman would be nice. He is 26 and would be 28 when the dynasty begins He also would help us become a playoff team and therefore, more desirable to free agents. Brad Miller is too old. Joel Przybilla, meh. Amar'e is a PF ideally. Noah is a nice energy guy off the bench, but he doesn't cut it. On the off chance that we are able or even try to sell everybody and go for two free agents, you could go for a combo of either Nowitzki & Bosh or Amar'e and Bosh. Dirk and Amar'e couldn't play together due to defense. Dirk/Bosh would bring Nowitzki's 3 point shooting to the table, where Stoudemire brings the pounding in the paint. Both players have post moves, but so does Bosh as well. But I think the way to go here is Kaman. He is a solid scorer in the post and an very good rebounder. He also provides a true center with size and defense. Then you can more easily play Stoudemire along side and not worry about interior defense as much. Or if you got Bosh, he could play his natural position at power forward.
4. Starter quality bench player - We'll see, but Ben Gordon would fit perfectly. Our current problem is that we don't have enough offense in the front court to start a defensive guard, so Ben can't take his proper role of instant offense off the bench. But on a championship team with Rose and another superstar, he should be able to take this role and own it. The question is money. We can't afford to pay him 10 million and have a championship squad. So, maybe he gets screwed this summer and can't find the contract he has been wanting anywhere and is forced to take a lesser contract with the Bulls. Or maybe we trade him for an asset. Or maybe he walks and we use his money to get an aging veteran who use to score 20+ points a game, a la Ray Allen. I think we are going to have to wait to see who gets bought out and who suddenly becomes available closer to 2010-11.
5. Aging Veteran - see #4.
6. Three point assains - How about Matt Bonner. He has been reported to be available. JJ Reddick's use in Orlando has been sporadic. Jason Kapono is unhappy in Toronto, but it's due to playing time, so he might not want this spot. Of course, Ben also could help us here, but we'll have to see what happens with him. It would be ideal if Thabo could really lock down on 3's. If I were him, it would be all I worked on offensively. If Thabo could hit the three, we would have our own Bowen/Raja Bell. But following the dynasty blueprint, we should still trade for or sign a specialist as well for the bench.
7. Top Defender - Thabo? TT with his head on straight and his mind clear and focused? Raja Bell is a FA in 2010. Maybe we can get him on a veterans minimum with a chance at a ring. Shaq and Nash will be pretty old in two years, so it may end up being time for him to squeeze out a last run while the Suns rebuild. Raja would also give us some three point shooting. Kaman is a good defender. Deng is decent and I believe has the chance to improve.
My roster of choice.
PG - Derrick Rose - superstar
SG - Thabo Sefolosha or Raja Bell - defense and three point shooting
SF - Luol Deng - solid 3rd option
PF - Amar'e Stoudemire or Chris Bosh- superstar
C - Chris Kaman - solid defense and inside-outside game
Bench - Ben Gordon, Omer Asik, Joakim Noah, and a veteran playing for a ring.
Alright BaB, have at it.
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I could agree but not on the roster
It sounds nice, but I do not buy Thabo as a starting SG and Deng as a starting SF in a dynasty!
And the key problem to go towards a championship team is that several role players are already overpaid and in the books for many years (Hinrich 10M$/y for a backup PG, Deng imo at best a backup SF valued 70M$!, Nocioni an occasional bench contributor 8M$/y). So how can you get star players like Stoudemire or Bosh who would be a better option imo + Kaman considering the Bulls do not have interesting assets to sell… And there would still be to acquire a solid SG.
What would be needed is an over-the-top GM to get the winning side of deals, which has not proved true so far… So even with Rose, I remain quite pessimistic about the Bulls chances to build a championship team, and I would be more than happy to be proved wrong!!
Worst case we can dump Kirk and Nocioni to someone pushing for the playoffs for a salary dump.
That would give us flexibility to make some of these moves. Everyone is piping hot to dump them today, but the fact is, we have plenty of time. We will have three key opportunities to rid ourselves of their contracts. This trade deadline, this coming off season and 2009-2010 trade deadline. We only have to have buyers on two of the three occasions. Maybe we can even get something in return, besides just the cap room.
I agree with on most of the points
But you forgot one: a GOOD Coach.
When our dynasty began, we had Phil Jackson on the bench. Now we have Vinny Del Negro. Can you see the difference? I’m not saying VDN won’t be a good coach. Actually, I’m quite surprise that we’re doing so well early in the season, when normally he used to start so bad. But I have some doubts that he will become a championship calibre coach
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Good point.
Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, KC Jones, Phil Jackson again.
But, Riley started part way through the 1981-82 season and won the championship that year. He did it again three years later. Jackson started his coaching career in 1989-90 and won the title the next year. Both these guys had assistant coaching experience first, but they were able to win championships pretty quickly. We can only hope that with the veteran staff VDN has, he can learn quickly like these guys did.
Sold.
The choice between Bosh and Amare is an interesting one. Obviously, I would love either, but I think I’d have to go with Bosh at this stage. He’s two years younger, a far better rebounder, and a better defender as well. Plus, Amare’s been injured in the past – a minor point, but since we’re dreaming big….
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I would go with say:
PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Thabo Sefolosha (make him work his ass off)
SF: Luol Deng (he’ll find a rhythm and play like he did in the 06-07 playoffs)
PF: Chris Bosh (better fit than Amare)
C: Omer Asik (I’m confident he’ll be good)
Bench: Ben Gordon, Joakim Noah, and new players
Things could be worse.
That is a title contender
in my book, but I think we can find a better piece than Thabo. Noce, Kirk, TT are not mentioned here and some of those pieces could be moved for a better SG.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Nov 26, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
They may have to be moved for expiring contracts.
If we can get someting great. Plus, once we have this team, maybe the “just trying to win a ring” vet we bring in is a SG that only has two or three seasons left in him.
Deng...
Deng is too pricey to be the fourth option on a team with Rose, Kaman and a max level player like Amare or Bosh, or Wade, or Joe Johnson….
I hate to say it, but Nocioni already plays well with Rose, can hit the three, plays fiesty (sometimes reckless) defense, has enough size to defend the post in the playoffs when the game slows down, and really really wants to win. He definitely tries to do too much when the team is down a lot or playing poorly, but he also seems to play well in the clutch and in big games…
I see a future sign and trade with Deng as bait, and maybe Nocioni is our small forward of the future…
Maybe...
Rose
Gordon
Nocioni
Bosh
Kaman
Gordon’s defensive shortcomings wouldn’t be so bad in we had two good defenders and shot blockers under the basket to alter shots and discourage penetration…
OR…
Rose
Joe Johnson
Nocioni
Boozer
Noah/Brad Miller
This is if we trade for Boozer before he is a free agent, with a combo of Deng, Tyrus and Gordon going to Utah. And then Trade Kirk for Brad Miller. And then Sign Joe Johnson in 2010. This is one of my favorite fantasy plans that John Paxon would never pull off.
Obviously...
The first scenario requires Gordon to strike out on his big free agent deal, and sign with us for 10 or less per year…
And the second requires Brad Miller to resign with us for the veterans exception in an attempt to win a ring.
We're not winning a title with Noah and Brad at center.
Brad will be 34 at the start of the 2010 season and he already looks like he is about done. And Noah is a great energy guy off the bench, but he is not a starting center on a championship team. And I’m not big on Boozer. There was a reason he couldn’t get off the bench with Team USA.
This option is just settling for more mediocrity
The 2 best players in the league right now are Lebron and Wade. While Amare and Bosh are no slouches, Bosh especially seems a bit soft to me.
We need to do whatever it takes to go after 2 of these five guys
Lebron, Wade, Amare, Bosh, or Joe Johnson.
Rose plus any 2 of those guys and I’ ll take that team against anyone including the Lakers and Blazers, even with me and one of you guys starting.
Look at Team USA.
Wade didn’t just come off the bench because of Kobe. It’s because Kobe has learned to play without the ball in his hands. He is one of the best defenders in the world. He sees the court. He moves without the ball. But Wade and Lebron need the ball. So they had to spread these guys around so they weren’t always playing together. This is why Chris Paul didn’t look as good on Team USA. Chris runs the offense in NO. He set people up. And if the lane is open, he takes it himself. But with Lebron and Wade controling so much of the ball in the olympics, Paul wasn’t able to do the things that make him so successful. It would be the same with Rose. We need complimentary players. Big men, not LBJ and Wade.
The only relevant "dynasties" are Jordan's Bulls, Shaq's Lakers, and Duncan's Spurs.
Magic’s Lakers and Bird’s Celtics were of a different era, one in which salaries were lower and rosters were deeper (i.e., before expansion teams). They won’t be as instructive as Jordan’s Bulls, Shaq’s Lakers, and Duncan’s Spurs.
Of those three, I think the blueprint should be the Spurs. The other two are flukes of destiny: Jordan — the best player of all time — being paired with the best coach of all time in his prime and exactly the right complementary players in an era predicated on defense, in a weak Eastern Conference and with a strong Western Conference that cannabalized itself before the Finals. Unless we think Rose’s ceiling is that high, probably not instructive.
Similar for the Lakers: pairing the most dominant center since Wilt with a mature young prodigy in Kobe on a bargain contract (a little more than what Deng makes now) and bringing in the best coach ever. Having a HOF post player and a HOF outside player just doesn’t happen in the modern era that often (off the top of my head: Malone/Stockton, Shaq/Kobe. That’s it.)
Even the Spurs had an abnormal situation, enjoying the tail-end of the Admiral’s HOF career during Duncan’s ascendance. But they’re the closest: hit the lottery jackpot like we did, surround dominant player with correct role players and manage the cap well.

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