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http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_081123.html

"The Bulls can get in position to add two maximum salary players with the contracts of Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes expiring by the summer of 2010 and let Ben Gordon go after this season. They also easily could deal either or both of Kirk Hinrich and Andres Nocioni for expiring deals and then be committed to, effectively, Rose and Luol Deng. And that's two pretty good players as a base, likely better than the Knicks would be able to offer."

What he is really saying is scrap the team and start over, build around Rose and try and make big moves through free agency. It backfired the last time but playing with Rose should be good selling point to free agents and we don't have former Bulls crying about how Jerry Kraus hurt there feelings this time around. I am tired of rebuilding and we will suck with out Gordon next year (although we do suck now so...) but there are allot of great players available in 2010 maybe we would be foolish to not even get in the game.  

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Trying for two seems pretty high risk

When we could pretty easily get one.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 25, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just dreaming here....

but, it’s possible…..
PG- Derrick Rose
SG- Joe Johnson
SF- Luol Deng
PF- Chris Bosh
C- (Anyone who can defend and rebound)

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 3:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Omer Asik

is supposed to come over then also

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 3:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish his contract in wherever wasn't so goofy

I want him now, dammit!

Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.

by chibullsfan03 on Nov 25, 2008 4:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Iwas trying to keep it semi-realistic

but that would work very well too!

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 3:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dwyane wouldn’t fit as well with Rose, they are both slashers and drivers. But whatever, I wouldn’t complain if we had a D-Rose D-Wade tandem in the backcourt. I do think Amare would be a great fit for Rose though.

by Hoopster on Nov 25, 2008 6:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

that Wade wouldn’t be the perfect fit next to Rose, same with LBJ. However, I do believe that if they were forced to play together that it would work out. LOL

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 6:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deng as the third fiddle

looks mighty special with a real low post scoring threat. I would have loved Gasol, but Chris Bosh will do.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deng would thrive as a true 3rd option

The double team would either be in the post on Bosh or on the perimeter on rose and Deng would be in the the beneficiary of many easy baskets.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 9:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If only he could shoot the 3...

I really think that would make him a perfect fit next to Rose and a post threat.

by kidronmusic on Nov 25, 2008 9:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Best I can tell

If the Bulls are gonna do this, they should also keep Noah (who will still be on his rookie deal) and their two draft picks. They can exceed the cap later to sign Asik as well, I think. Doing this, they’d still have $37M in cap space, which gives them enough for two max players.

So
1- Rose
2-
3- Deng
4-
5- Noah, Asik

And then our two first rounders as depth?

It’d be a pretty compelling sell for a couple guys who wanted to come in and team up with a third star in Rose.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 25, 2008 3:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if they don't come, though, the team is screwed.

I don’t know what I’d do: my suggestion of re-signing Gordon and only going after Bosh… or your idea.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 4:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't necessarily endorsing it... just thinking it out.

As first I was thinking it was pretty crazy too, but I do think some of these guys (the top flight NBA guys) talk and look around and see how Boston came together and see the logic of going to the same place.

And if that’s the case, then Chicago has a selling point (Derrick Rose is already here!) that none of the other teams can offer. Say Lebron and Bosh want to get together. Would they really choose to go play with Danilo Gallinari in New York instead of Derrick Rose in Chicago?

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 25, 2008 7:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree. And I should have pointed out that I didn't think you were pushing for that.

But then it was, kind of, your idea. I didn’t know how exactly to phrase it, so… yeah.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 8:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think they have legitimate trade pieces to get better.

I think Rose will get better. I think Deng will eventually “get it” on the offensive end. If you get rid of everybody for 2010, and NO ONE comes, you have a 35-40 win team. If you get rid of just enough people to try and sign one 2010 FA, and you miss, you’re still a 45-50 win team.

Either plan, if it works, will probably accomplish the same thing (in my mind). But if both fail, one is much worse than the other. I’m just trying to hedge the bets, so to speak.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 26, 2008 12:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They can't exceed the cap to sign Asik.

But they can offer him full MLE, which they will not have until the Summer of ’11 if they are under the cap in ’10. I am not sure on the specifics of his Euro contract, but I thought he was over there for three more years…meaning he would not come until the Summer of ’11 anyway.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 25, 2008 7:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pax said that Asik will come to Chicago in 2010

In fact, I think he made that trade with Portland on draft day because he knew that Asik would only be with the Bulls in 2010

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by bull83 on Nov 25, 2008 7:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Link? Quote?

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 25, 2008 7:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I found one.

Paxson said he could come over in 2010.

So, his money would go against any cap room we had that summer too…but, I guess we could wait a year and bring him over in ’11.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 25, 2008 7:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They could just wait to sign him.

Most big name free agents go fast. He’s a second-rounder, so there’s no cap hold or anything (I wouldn’t think). They simply own the “draft rights” to him. Then they could just sign him after they do everything else. Luis Scola was traded (or, his draft rights were), after three years of his rights belonging to the Spurs, and then he was signed.

Or… if he doesn’t count this year or next year, why would he count in 2010? Only because that’s when his European contract runs out? I’m not sure that has any bearing. (I’m just thinking out loud.)

I’m not 100% certain, but I really don’t think Asik will be a problem.

Another question: what about the 2010 1st-rounder?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 8:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We could always package that

2010 1st-rounder along with, say, one of the last remaining contracts (AKA Noc or Hinrich) we still need to shed at whatever point in the future before that big off-season.

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by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 8:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chad Ford wrote this about Asik
Asik has two years remaining on his current contract, which does not possess a buy-out clause and would have been considered a "lottery" pick had he been eligible to play in the NBA this season. Paxson has enough young talent on the current roster that no second round pick would have played here anyway, so he was able to utilize this years pick to potentially give the franchise a game changing defensive center in a couple years. Asik is considered raw offensively, but possesses good length and above average athletism and is already considered a plus defensive player who is a tremendous shot-blocker.

Here’s the countdown

LOL

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by bull83 on Nov 26, 2008 7:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apologize for the lack of the link,

but i’ve read that he was considered the best center in Euroleague for a better part of last season after he came back to F. Ulker (his team). He’s hurt right now, but is coming back in December. I loved that pick. Develop him, let him get stronger and more experienced playing at the highest level of hoops – higher even than college, IMO – outside the NBA. You’ve seen the decent impact Marc Gasol has had? That’s what Pax’s going for, but better.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 26, 2008 11:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you kidding me?

Asik is another offensively challenged big man? I bet he’ll bust. Paxson is a joke.

by illini23 on Nov 26, 2008 9:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Real talk

this years draft is gonna be filled with nice BIG talent

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by Belize on Nov 25, 2008 3:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who else

besides Thabeet? And don’t say Chase Budinger…

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 25, 2008 4:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or Tyler

Hansborough

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 25, 2008 4:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

blake griffin

he’s like boozer with better handles and more athleticism. hes going in the top few picks though.

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Nov 25, 2008 5:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude's probably going #1.

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by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 6:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably.

You never know though. Thabeet could become offensively competent, or Ricky Rubio could become the fourth pg drafted 1st overall, joining the elite company of Magic Johnson, AI, and Derrick Rose :-)

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Nov 25, 2008 8:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hansborough.

Will not be an NBA player of consequence. A 10th man while on his rookie deal…role player at best.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 25, 2008 7:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hansborough could be

the Second Coming of Andreas Nocioni!

by Granny Waiters on Nov 25, 2008 7:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a good way to put it.

He’ll be drafted late, which means he’ll be on a good team, which will be a perfect fit for him.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 8:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can Hansborough dance?

Madsen certainly can.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a hard call,

I think Tyler is going to surprise a lot of people in the NBA. Here’s why: in college he consistently sees double and triple teams and still manages to put up 20/10. He won’t see that attention in the NBA. He’s a fairly athletic guy – again I think most NBA personnel falsely conflate “vertical leap” and “athlete” – with post skills, a high motor, and a jumpshot.

There’s no way he’ll be a star. However, the comparisons I’ve seen, to Edwardo Najera and Madsen, are only good in terms of motor. He’s got much better touch than either, and frankly, he’s a better athlete.

I’m thinking more along the lines of a Luis Scola. For a team drafting in the twenties, he could be a good pick.

This might be a case of contempt for the familiar.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 26, 2008 11:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You might be right

but that last post read very familiar to the last guy who had this issue. Just replace Tyler Hansbrough with JJ Redick.

by CJ Bulls on Nov 26, 2008 12:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

that’s true. And not a good sign. But J.J. was a prohibitively bad athlete – slow, unexplosive – whereas I think T.H. might be underrated as an athlete. Although people probably called Redick “underrated” as well. Another bad sign.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 26, 2008 12:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its tough to take that mock seriously

When Jonny Flynn is not included. Did you see him last night?

by chlutz508 on Nov 26, 2008 1:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You meant "this year", right? As in 2008?

Cuz 2008 was stacked. 2009, not so much.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 6:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree on 2 max players, but...

Split up the timing. Boozer can opt out after this season. While Bosh would be optimal, EVERYONE will be going after him in 2010. Plus, if we aren’t a playoff team (or close) it makes us a less attractive FA destination. It appears that Miami is the real Boozer competition as the Heat have to build a good team fast to keep Wade interested in 2010. Plus Carlos has a house there. I say do a sign and trade w/ Utah – trade Gordo, Gooden and Thomas ($17,254,629) for a resigned Boozer at Elton Brand money $100m/6 years ($16.6M per). Utah fress up money to sign Okur and Milsap and gets a #2 pick rookie pay scale player with “tremendous upside.” Miami will look to ship Marion’s contract, but that only gets Utah salary savings.

While Boozer has his shortcomings – he is a legit 20/10 low post beast we need. He can replicate his Utah situation w/ Rose as well. Then in 2010 when Hughes comes off the books, go hard for Wade or Joe Johnson. We would then have a serious big 3 w/ Deng as the 4th option. Asik/Noah in the middle.

by windycityhoops on Nov 25, 2008 3:51 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much of Boozer's production comes out of the Sloan system?

It’s early for Brand, but his PER is down 5 points from his career marks.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 3:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point, but...

I don’t care if his numbers drop slightly b/c he is a low post threat that must be accounted for. We are easy to defend right now b/c teams can ignore the low post and double the perimeter. It will force teams to decide on who to double (Rose or Boozer) and where (perimeter or low block). Either way it frees up shooters and creates options.

by windycityhoops on Nov 25, 2008 4:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not that this should construe

the opinion that the Clippers aren’t really much of a system. However, it does say that Brand has shown us that he can be a player in at least more than one environment.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that would require us

to resign Gordon and Gooden at about the same per year contract value as they are at now… I highly doubt either of them does that. We’d have to add filler into the deal and working out the contract negotiations for signing 3 players in one sign and trade deal would be extremely tough to do. That’s why most sign and trades are one player signs and then is dealt for guys that are already locked into contracts (like the Rashard Lewis deal).

by fundamentallysound on Nov 25, 2008 5:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops, didn't mean to post that or...

i meant,

Or… it’s Ben Gordon for a bit more money and Drew Gooden for less….

But I agree, it sounds hard to pull of, and Gooden might be sick of trying to fill Boozer’s shoes, since he already failed that task in cleveland…

by kidronmusic on Nov 25, 2008 8:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was gonna say the same thing. Derrick and Amare would be a perfect fit.

by Hoopster on Nov 25, 2008 10:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suns are gonna have some cap space themselves.

Amare is almost as attractive as Rose is to play with.

They could sign Amare and a max

by Option27 on Nov 25, 2008 10:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amare doesn't play defense.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 26, 2008 12:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good plan,but

Boozer has disappeared in the playoffs, and is not known as a defensive player, and as everyone knows defense wins championships, just ask the Lakers.

by BigWay on Nov 25, 2008 9:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not too big on boozer either

he would be a big step up from what we got but not what Bosh or Amare could bring to the game.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 9:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely not Amare or Bosh...

But I do agree with the idea that locking up Boozer early would make Chicago a better destination for Wade or Joe Johnson…

By having Boozer in a Bulls uniform a year early, he would surely be recruiting other all stars to come to Chicago… and it probably wouldn’t take much, because… if you were a shooting guard, and you wanted to excel, wouldn’t you want to play with Rose and Boozer?

I really think that one of the keys to landing a huge fish in 2010 will be them already considering us a probably destination before that summer. Otherwise, we will just be in the mix with the 18 or so teams going after them the minute they are free.

Lebron see’s NY cashing in their chips two years ahead of time, and he knows it’s just so they have a better shot at him, that’s some serious courtship. So now, he can’t help but think about playing for the Knicks….

If we actively position ourselves as the team that has Rose, Boozer, and max-Level Cap room, and we discretely leak to ESPN that our targets our Dwayne Wade and Joe Johnson… then they will begin seeing how green the grass is in Chicago.

by kidronmusic on Nov 25, 2008 9:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

D Wade

might not mind coming home to finish his NBA career. If it could be a championship caliber team it wouldn’t make any sense not to come home.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 10:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I have said in the past I don’t think LBJ or Wade would be the best fit alongside Rose. They would still be unstoppable, but would not complement eachother well. IMO Bosh would be the best fit from what will be available. Joe Johnson would be the perfect counterpart to Rose in the backcourt.
All that being said…. It still wouldn’t hurt my feelings if Wade came home.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 10:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wade would work great with Rose!

All they would have to do is take turns scoring. Not to mention the fast breaks would be ridiculously unstoppable.

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 25, 2008 11:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A SF/SG scoring combo is very different

then a PG/SG combo. Plus, I wouldn’t say either of those two players are better then Wade or Rose.

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 25, 2008 11:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you would rather have a smaller version?

And as much as I love me some Rose, At this stage in his career, it’s hard to say he’s better than AI or Melo.

He prolly will be eventually

by Option27 on Nov 25, 2008 11:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I meant the AI in Denver

Young Iverson (pre-Denver days) was Hall of Fame great (30 ppg, 7apg ).

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 25, 2008 11:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miami

Before the draft, Riley had a hard-on to team Rose and Wade. Since Pax is utterly incapable of evaluating talent, we should defer to Riley’s judgment.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 9:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like your scenario the best

It makes us a very balanced contender before the sweepstakes, more attractive for a wing player, and isn’t putting our entire bankroll on a hard-way parley. This business of blowing the whole thing up to hope for two 2010 players risks us ending up with Rose and absolute shit after the smoke clears.
   Boozer doesn’t disappear in the playoffs. Two years ago, he was spectacular, first as an undersized post player against Yao, and then as a beast against the red-hot Warriors. He would complement our current roster nicely, and wouldn’t have to become something he isn’t already. Noah can evolve his current game instead of developing a better soring one, Rose would have a low post option, Deng only has to provide a GOOD not great balance of O and D from the 3, and the Hughes-Kirk-Thabo rotation at the 2 would give us great versatility at the 2. Then, IF something unfolds to land us Wade, JJ, LBJ or another great wing, fabulous. If not, we’re a pretty effective unit already.
   I mean, we’re 7-8 now with the schedule from hell and two rotation players out, and a rookie as our star, and a brand new staff. If we had that big of an upgrade at the 4 and just ok improvement from familiarity and good health, how far away from contending with anyone but the Celts and Lakers are we? I don’t know if Utah does a sign and trade that cheap, but Boozer’s definitely my first target. If the Knicks history of outspending everyone is a barometer, Bosh probably goes there with LBJ, and there’s no reason for Phoenix to not make Amare an offer he can’t refuse. That leaves Wade and JJ; I don’t think they upgrade the 2 THAT much over the production we’re getting from BG and co presently.
   Just imagine the current everything with Boozer at the 4; pretty exciting.

by California Al on Nov 26, 2008 7:14 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NY$$$$$ and Wade/JJ

Two good points – NY will outspend everyone. We all know that we would be humilaited in a spending war w/ NY. Also, we are at a disadvantage b/c players want to play for D"Antoni – nice move Paxdorf!

Second good point – let’s say we miss out on Bosh, Boozer and Amare in 2010, but land Wade or JJ. What have we accomplished. We are still in the same boat b/c we have no lowpost scoring. We’ve essentially replaced Gordo w/ a taller model and slightly increased scoring.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 9:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you

The only way I see 2010 turning out in Chicago is with the same old “we tried so hard, he betrayed us” yada yada yada. A bruiser in the paint really seems like the missing piece. Boozer along side Noah is really complementary. Now, if we’re thinking to replace the center also, good luck getting Jerry to pay max for 2 positions, plus Deng, plus a 2, plus re-sign Rose. It’d be a $100m payroll. Getting Boozer isn’t an easy trick, but a trade that consolidates our payroll is definitely in order.

by California Al on Nov 26, 2008 9:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the trade James story

Not every club is going to be active in the 2010 sweepstakes. Which teams are going to make moves this season, this summer and next season looking to cement their payrolls through at least 2011-12?

I’m actually averse towards Luol Deng. If he actually produces with Rose I think he’s an asset better for trading than retaining if we want to make big time additions in 2010.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 3:55 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't like Deng

as the go to guy or even 2nd option but ideally with Rose and another great player he could just sit back and hit the open midrange jumpers they create. Its Deng trying to create offense that scares me

by sibulls23 on Nov 25, 2008 4:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deng it

Here’s the problem w/ Deng. Everyone remembers him from the Miami playoff series two years ago. His breakout season was supposed to follow based on that performance. It would have to IF he played 82 games against Antoine Walker who made him look like a young Grant Hill in that series. We swept an old (Shaq), crippled (Wade) and indifferent (Walker) Miami team. Hate to use the word fluke – maybe mirage is better. Detroit badly exposed us in the next series and we haven’t been the same since. Deng is the 3rd option at best. With Rose, Boozer and Wade/JJ in the fold, Deng and his midrange jumper coupled with his great team attitude would be a valuable (if a bit overpriced) asset.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 9:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget his defense!!!

He might not be a wing-stopper, but he’s a wing slower-downer.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 26, 2008 12:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Detroit didnt badly expose us

We lost game three after a brutal second half collapse. Had we won it would have been the first of three straight and a 3-2 series lead.

The series was closer then people think.

by chlutz508 on Nov 26, 2008 1:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes they did

Detroit fell asleep and let 2 games get away. They woke up and blew us away. We were never a threat to them and they knew it. I was at the games – Detroit was literally laughing at the Bulls players.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 1:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

And if this is the plan, but then next year, IF…Deng and Rose play amazing together, and Deng hits three point shots and is an all star…

Then we can just keep him, and I’m cool with that too.

by kidronmusic on Nov 25, 2008 10:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we all know that Deng's not going to become an all-star at this point

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by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 10:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It sure seems that way...

But, if he extends his outside shot to the 3 point range, and learns to stand behind that line every time Derrick Rose drives… I could see it happening.

The trouble now is that Deng likes to stand 16 feet away from the hoop when Rose drives, so if Deng’s man doubles Rose, and Rose kicks the ball out, the defender doesn’t have to travel far to put a hand in Deng’s face.
 If Deng were a threat from the stripe, then his man wouldn’t get to Rose so quick, leading to even more opportunities for Rose to finish, or if the double team got to Rose, and Rose kicked to Deng… the defender wouldn’t be back in time to stop the wide open Three attempt from Deng.

He isn’t good enough to make it without help, but with some work, Derrick Rose could be his help.

by kidronmusic on Nov 25, 2008 10:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That isn't such a long shot

to actually happen.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 10:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

Cause he’s adjusting to a new system and is playing with a lingering injury?

by Option27 on Nov 25, 2008 10:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and really

if Deng is going to be the 4th option (Rose + 2 big free agents), then he’s not worth the 11m he’ll be getting in 2010. I think the idea of Deng, at least from Pax’s perspective, is that he is the 3rd option, and adding one big free agent would do the trick. Can’t say I agree with that perspective, though. I’m not sold on Deng being a reliable 3rd option on a championship caliber team based on his performance so far this year. He really needs to step it up and play well for that to be considered.

by kig on Nov 25, 2008 5:34 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deng is a slasher and spot-up jump shooter

With Rose and Superstar #2 as the focus of every team’s defense, Deng would thrive. Add to that his above average defense and willingness to defer and I think Deng would be the perfect complement to a two-star team.

by drew gooden's facial growth on Nov 25, 2008 5:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would depend

on who the first two options were

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 5:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

worth the money

or not he is getting it so it really doesn’t matter. We already have to try and trade Noce who is not worth the money so I think we stuck with Deng. But I think he can get it back to 15 and 8 and that’s good for a 3rd option.

by Bulls2391 on Nov 25, 2008 8:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2010

Has anybody figured out the teams that are going to have cap space 2010 (without assuming any teams clearing additional room)?

"It was shock. You almost feel you have three or four innings to play, but you go home." -- Alex "Mr. March" Rodriguez after losing to Mexico in the WBC

by haze on Nov 25, 2008 6:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its too early to figure it out.

Too many player options, team options and moves to be made. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported as many as 18 teams could be in position to have significant cap space.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 25, 2008 7:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The player options make it difficult

The top guys have player options, but will the market even have the capital for even bigger contracts? Plus their teams can offer them more money anyway.

The marketing money still appears to be there for the NBA even in this early downturn, so I still expect the player options to be exercised particularly if their current clubs are stagnant in their ring prospects.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LeBron would be great and all

Ideally though, you want someone next to Rose that don’t handle the ball as much

by Option27 on Nov 25, 2008 8:06 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joe Johnson...

Scouting report from Hollinger…

Scouting report: Johnson doesn’t play with a lot of flair, but he’s a very effective offensive player because he combines a fantastic outside shot with great ballhandling ability for his size. Though he isn’t particularly shifty, the threat of his jumper forces opponents to play him close and opens driving lanes, and at 6-7, 235 he has the size and strength to finish plays once he gets a step.

He’s an excellent catch-and-shoot guy but doesn’t get many chances because he has to create so much of Atlanta’s offense himself; instead, nearly all his jump shots come off the dribble in screen-and-roll plays.

Johnson is a solid defender thanks to his size and decent feet, though he’s had to pick his spots since coming to Atlanta and usually doesn’t guard the opponent’s top perimeter threat until late in games. It’d be nice to see him give up the body a bit more — he only took seven offensive fouls last season, mirroring a team-wide aversion to taking charges.

by kidronmusic on Nov 25, 2008 8:31 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty High Cieling....

I am completely in love with the idea of 2010…

We could completely strike out on Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, and Dirk, and still come away with a player like Joe Johnson who is a great fit next to Rose and would give us the best backcourt in the league…

by kidronmusic on Nov 25, 2008 8:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting both JJ and Amare/Bosh would be the wettest of dreams

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 8:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I mean...can you even fathom this?

Rose/JJ/Deng/Bosh/Noah

My head just exploded into pieces.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 8:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wowee Wow.

That’s would just be so damn cool.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 26, 2008 11:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely love Johnson,but

he will be 29 in 2010, so a five year max deal might be a risk. although he would be the best compliment to rose, especially since he has the requisite size to be an NBA 2 guard, unlike a certain midget that starts for us now.

Actually, I’ve been trying to get Sam Smith to get him traded to the Bulls for the past two years, offering Deng on several occasions, but the Hawks already have Josh Smith, so no need for Deng.

by BigWay on Nov 25, 2008 9:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's fine with me...

I would love it if he were 23… but I’ll take him at his age.

He has a good outside shot, so that shouldn’t go anywhere with age, and he is long enough to make up for a little bit of loss in athleticism as he ages.

I’ll bet he is a premier player for at least three of four more years, and after that, he will be tradeable as a expiring deal on a player that can still contribute.

by kidronmusic on Nov 25, 2008 9:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Check out the list of Available FA in Sam Smith's article

the names are ridiculous. Virtually every player on the list is better than every player currently on the Bulls, with the exception of Rose, of course.

It is precisely because we lucked into Rose this year that going for 2 in 2010 is absolutely the best move going forward. We have to take the risk, nothing ventured nothing gained.

Adding 2 top tier free agents to Rose and Deng, plus maybe Noah, Thabo and our 2 upcoming draft picks plus Asik would be about 8-9 guys the perfect number for a proper rotation. Maybe we can use Deng for a sign in 2010 for one of the big FA, since he is a small forward, maybe this is how we get Lebron over New York.

If championships are again the goal there is no plan B, 2 max free agents is by far the best option, and Rose will be the biggest draw in the league for all the free agents.

Add that to the fact that Chicago is one of the few places that can compete with New York and we should be a primary destination for every free agent in 2010.

Let all the bums go and bring in either Lebron and/or Wade or Johnson, and either Bosh or Amare and let the 3 peats begin.

We’ve putzed around for 10years now, whats 2 more if we can hit a home run and get back to the Jordan years.

by BigWay on Nov 25, 2008 9:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The other option in 2010 is to

identify one of the 2010 free agents that we want and trade for him before 2010 so that we already have his Bird rights, and then we only have to make room to sign one of the remaining big guns. Given the players that we have available, Hinrich, Deng, Gordon, and even Nocioni we could make a very respectable offer around the trade deadline in February of 2010, or for a sign and trade in the summer of 2010.

This strategy means that we don’t have to completely strip down prior to 2010, but we run the risk of being stuck with the contracts if we can’t make a trade.

there is risk in both strategies, but we have to go for it .

To paraphrase Dennis Green

We need to start acting like who we think that we are. A world class city that wins championships.

by BigWay on Nov 25, 2008 9:15 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's be realistic folks......here's my plan

PG-Rose
SG-Wade
SF-LeBron
PF-Amare
C-Bosh

A bench of Kirk, Nocioni, Deng (he will really thrive as the 9th option), Joakim, and Tyrus, and a midseason acquisition of Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Scottie Pippen will push them to a title.

"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 25, 2008 10:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Screw it

Let’s trade Hughes for Dwight howard and put Bosh on the bench!

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 10:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Posts

Funny stuff. However, be prepared for NYC landing LBJ and Bosh. I really see them ending up together. If not in NYC then in CLE.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 10:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL re:

“thrive as a ninth option”

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 26, 2008 11:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

POINTS TO CONSIDER!!!!!!!

1. There will be a new CBA in place in 2010.
2. “What he is really saying is scrap the team.” Please reread From the window to LUol’s post of several days ago—-the Bulls are not that good.
3. Get Kaman now while he is relatively cheap. Then if we only get one free agent (or none) we will be in pretty good shape.

by hlac on Nov 25, 2008 10:18 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree about Kaman.

What we need is a center. I think we would be a better team tomorrow if you added Kaman than if you added Boozer. Better defensively and better with the players we have. Plus, as a championship team, we need to compete with Howard, Yao, Bynum, Big Z, Garnett, or Shaq.

by Unrealcity on Nov 25, 2008 11:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2010

seems so far away :(

by Hoopster on Nov 25, 2008 10:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love the mentality :)

I wonder how many GMs will be blowing up their teams a la New York to better positions themselves for 2010. It’s like the free agency equivalent of tanking late season games for more ping-pong balls.

by drew gooden's facial growth on Nov 25, 2008 10:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably a lot, this is THE free agent class. But I would have to think Chicago is a front runner because of the market size and of course Derrick Rose. But I want to know what the Bulls plan on doing in the short term, is Kaman still a possibility?

by Hoopster on Nov 25, 2008 10:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is a joke.

Nobody is giving up an All-Star for Kaman right now. But I think once they try to run Camby, Z-Bo and Kaman together and it crashes and burns, they will be much more likely to talk with us. We could give them pieces that aren’t All-Stars, but would actually fit with their personnel.

by Unrealcity on Nov 25, 2008 11:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am curious...

to see which GM’s will take the opposite approach.

I figure a few teams will assume that they won’t be players in the free agent derby, so will take advantage of the fact that they are one of few teams accepting contracts that run past 2010 and they will become trade partners for teams looking to shed good players on good size contracts for a run at great players on max sized contracts.

by kidronmusic on Nov 25, 2008 11:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting, yes.

I am partially in favor of this. Get Kaman now and one FA in 2010. Then we still have our 2 superstars in Rose and FA (Bosh?).

by Unrealcity on Nov 26, 2008 6:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree on timing, but Boozer instead of Kaman

We need low post scoring. Tyrus and Noah will NEVER be that player. Of the two, Noah as a chance of becoming a Tyson/Camby type of defensive presence. Plus Asik is on the way and he has similar skills. We should be set at center. Rose needs someone to pass to for easy points. Tyrus is a bust and too small to play center. It’s always easier to find low post defensive help. heck, Denver gave Camby away for nothing. Players w/ Boozer’s offensive skills are rare. With Rose as your point gaurd, it’s organizationally negligent not to get a 20/10 PF.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 9:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boozer is a very unlikely option.

Utah is not going to trade him. They want him back. And I’m sure he is “telling” them he is staying. And if he goes FA, he is much more likely to go to Miami and replace Marion. Why wait for the hope of another superstar when you can have one now for sure in D. Wade. Besides, they can say they they will shoot for someone else then in 2010. With Wade, Boozer and Beasley, they are a nice destination.

And Kaman provides better defense anyway. TT can roam from the weak side for his blocks and Noah can play back up center. He is not a starting center on a championship team, no matter who is at PF.

by Unrealcity on Nov 26, 2008 10:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

I’m afraid you may be right. I’d feel better about Kaman if he was paired w/ Aldridge. It sucks Tyrus is such a bust.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 11:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the rub...

I think Boozer is the best targer, I also think, the Jazz won’t trade him…

So, I endorse the Kaman deal. Hell, I even endorse a Brad Miller deal.

We badly need somebody in the post who doesn’t get pushed around. And any player we add needs to fit into a 2010 plan, either by being an expiring deal (Brad Miller) or by being an asset (Boozer, Kaman)

by kidronmusic on Nov 26, 2008 11:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NYC is the front runner

Always is. However, if we pick up a certain 6’9" 20/10 pf from Duke (gag!) in 2009 to pair w/ our future all-star PG, we become the preferred destination for 2010 FA shooting guards. Wade and Joe Johnson come to mind.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good!

The Knicks can suck until then, becoming a total laughing stock, and when LBJ stays home, D-Wade comes home, and Bosh decides he’s like to play alongside Derrick Rose…

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 26, 2008 11:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One big benefit of playing with Rose

for another superstar that has not been mentioned is his demeanor. He doesn’t seem to have a big ego or that “superstar” mantality that so many young talents seem to get. He is still very young and hopefully that won’t develop. Basic speaking: We won’t see a Kobe/Shaq scenario.
Beyond what he brings to the court he also doesn’t have any baggage in the locker room.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 11:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is what, 18 months away? Let's go about that much backward...

Shaq was sitting pretty with another ring while Kobe was mired in a meh team going nowhere deep in the playoffs. The Celtics were awful, and if someone had offered us Paul Pierce for Luol Deng many would’ve scoffed. We also thought Deng was a future All-Star, whom we all just assumed would pick up a low-post game over summer, answering our team’s only major weakness. Noah was still in Florida and thought to be a #1 pick. All the experts predicted the Bulls would win the conference. Lotta people were crowing about how smart and savvy Pax was as a GM, and we took pride in the fact that Skiles had the team hustling, going all out, and playing some of the best defense in the league. A lot can change in a year and a half. Pax could do everything a 2010-salivating GM would do and still get nothing out of it. And in the meantime we’d have to keep Larry Hughes.

And who here thinks the Chicago fans would have the patience for something like this? As it is people on this board are apoplectic about the team currently: a lottery team, with a rookie coach, several key players out or gimpy, barely two months into what’s largely a developmental year, and there’s daily ranting about firing Vinny and horse-whipping Pax.

by T Maple on Nov 25, 2008 11:14 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

The best part of everything you just said

Is that if those things never happened, we probably wouldn’t be so lucky so have Derrick Rose.

Everything happens for a reason.

by Option27 on Nov 25, 2008 11:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YES!

Never could rec this enough.

by McCabe on Nov 26, 2008 12:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that's the case

then we are at square one w/ Rose and we build around him. Pax’s precious untouchable clown “core” plan is history. If that means Gordo walks for nothing, so be it. Then everything rests on 2010 (or before) w/ FA. No more drafts. Also, there is no one saying Pax is smart and savvy – Wallace, Aldridge, Brewer, Hawes, D’Antoni etc. He got LUCKY w/ Rose.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 9:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank goodness

that the more manic-depressive elements here aren’t running things. The reality is that Jerry is a hands on owner, particularly regarding payroll. He’s a strange bird, and pulls an unexpected spending spree occasionally that surprises me. Wallace turned out bad, but was correct at the time. Giving Jordan his two reward contracts was very honorable on JR’s part, as the tickets were sold well beyond what paying him would justify. He seems to have a lot of confidence in Pax (as do I). Will he decide that LBJ will take revenue and wins to a point that it justifies spending $100 kajillion on him? Whatever the answer is, they’re acting a lot like the answer is already carved in stone.

by California Al on Nov 26, 2008 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We should definately aim for Kaman

Over Boozer because he is younger. With that being said,we have the potential to be a playoff team with just Rose,Kaman, and Deng. This will definetly draw players to Chicago and it will our organization in a lot better position than NYC.

by dannyp07 on Nov 25, 2008 11:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree on thought, disagree on player

See above – it’s got to be Boozer. While everyone fights in 2010 for LBJ/Bosh/Amare, swoop up Wade or JJ. Be advised, Miami is going to go all out for Boozer this summer. It’s their only chance to keep Wade.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 10:01 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right, which is exactly why we won't get him.

Want to play with D Rose? He’s only played one year, but he was ROY?

or

Wanna play with Beasley and Dwayne Wade?

by Unrealcity on Nov 26, 2008 10:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bosh or Stat

would be perfect for our team. Both would give us a talented bigman to pair with Rose and allow Deng to be the 3rd option.

Homecoming

by illwill on Nov 26, 2008 3:05 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

VDN

I think the coach is just as important in attracting a superstar. VDN wil hurt our chances and we need to look to someone like D’Antoni who all players love. However, if we become a desirable location for the 2010 free agency, wade has got to be the man we target first. His all round game is simply awesome. I doubt Rose would have any trouble fitting into the number 2 role should wade come on board. If we cant get Wade then Micheal Redd would be a good alternative. Both wade and redd are reliable and consistant which would allow rose to run a muk with ease. With the rest of the money i would try for bosh but i thinks its a longshot getting 2 superstars. Maybe kenyon martin and/or tyson chandler would be more realistic.

by haypete on Nov 26, 2008 7:03 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never

Ben is done here unless we can play Golden State 82 games a year. Small ball is dead. Especially after 2010.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 10:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please.

He is the perfect 6th man. Even if you don’t like Ben, he has been our top scorer for four years now and he is playing well against a lot of teams, not just GS. He shouldn’t be starting for us, but he is a top 20 scorer in the NBA. That’s not nothing.

by Unrealcity on Nov 26, 2008 10:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed on 6th man status

But he wants to be a starter and paid like one. He has rejected our generous contract offers. We are at an impasse. He simply is too short to be a starting 2 guard in the NBA. He his delusional about his worth. In fact, he screws two positions b/c with Ben out there our PG has to guard the opposing teams SG. I think Kirk could have been a much more effective PG if he didn’t have to cover Kobe, Tmac, Wade, Redd etc. b/c Ben doesn’t match up. Does Chris Paul or Deron have to cover Kobe? They would if they played in Chicago (maybe not Paul b/c he is about Ben’s height).

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 11:54 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Team needs...

include a low post scorer/finisher/rebounder (Bosh? Stat?) and a wing who can move well without the ball and light it up from outside (use to think that would be Deng). Rose is going to have to dominate the ball, and we really can’t afford to duplicate his skills with a Joe Johnson (i.e. playmaking) or a D-Wade (slashing).

The question is: do we want to build around Rose, or do we want to bring in a star to build around? I say go for Bosh all out, and try to put together a Rose-based team. That would be one helluva 2 man game…

by Carlitro on Nov 26, 2008 10:39 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we could get Bosh and Kaman...

both would be a welcome upgrade…Asik off the the bench with Noah or TT…

by Carlitro on Nov 26, 2008 10:40 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chicago as a FA destination

This is one of the problems that Krause experienced. Chicago is not much if the team is not in the brink of being good. Having DR and Loul is not enough to entice anyone. Basically, it is DR. Luol is not going to excite anyone. Krause broke the championship team thinking that FAs would just want to sign in Chicago but it became one of Bull’s failures. Remember how ridiculous it became when Kause would send Benny the Bull and the cheerleaders to O’hare to greet FAs. We were like a needy girlfriend that had been rejected so many times that we became desperate. Remember that Tim Thomas dissed us. Eventually we got Mercer, sort of the ugly guy that played with us for his financial gain. If we put all our hopes in FA we take a chance to left all alone and only the next Mercer holding our money bag.

by Fastbreak on Nov 26, 2008 11:10 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So much has changed...

That was really a long time ago…. and pretty much everything except the weather and owner has changed since then.

by kidronmusic on Nov 26, 2008 11:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really

The only thing that has changed is D. Rose.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 12:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well...

First of all, that’s a huge change in of itself…

But, also, in no particular order…

-No Jerry Krause
-No Hall of Famers still bad mouthing the Bulls (MJ, SP, Phil)
-Most of the teams we will be competing with are also Cold Weather (NY, Clev, Tor,) With Miami being the exception) Last time, we lost two big targets to Orlando, and one to San Antonio
-A coach who is likeable… His reputation could change in the next 20 months, but Vinny was supposed to be the ultimate communicator and empathetic coach… plus even though he doesn’t have much experiance, he will have two years by then, and his assistants are loaded with experiance. .. IN FACT… there have been many reports that Vinny’s deal is only guaranteed untill 2010, which means that we could offer a potential player some serious input into who his coach will be.
- A recent
history of competition, the Bulls were the worst team in the league at that point, and had been since MJ left town… but NBA players now know that the Bulls were recently a playoff team, and are at least a middle of the league, average team now. We’re an average team now with a Rookie star and Coach, plus a bunch of injuries. So I would expect a bit of progress as the season goes on and then a bit more next year, so by the time we are signing free agents, we should be a decent team who is a couple stellar pieces away from being stellar.
-Boston did it. Everybody in the league knows that Boston went from dud to stud in one offseason. So now, they know it can be done. Back then, they weren’t sure it would work.
Plus, if were talking about signing two players, Chicago is the kind of place they both could agree on. There is plenty to do and see in Chicago, plus, plenty of marketing opportunities to please two or three huge stars at the same time. Like Boston last year.

by kidronmusic on Nov 26, 2008 5:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed Fastbreak...

Paxson should have a 3 prong strategy:

1.) Continue to stockpile talent through the draft (this might include taking advantage of teams like NYC that won’t want to land a high pick in ’09 in order to maintain the double FA possibility)

2.) Make trades for talent that help the team, and possibly leave open the possibility for financial flexibility in 2010 through expiring contracts, and

3.) Build a team that could compete without a major FA, while pursuing major FAs that fill team needs (Bosh and Stat….probably not Boozer).

by Carlitro on Nov 26, 2008 11:25 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stockpile talent?

Pax is a disaster as a GM. He can’t evaluate talent. If we didn’t get Rose this year, imagine where this team would be and the prospects for the future. FAs would laugh in our face in 2010 at the prospect of playing w/ Kirk, Gordo, Deng and Noce.

by windycityhoops on Nov 26, 2008 12:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we go for one guy

I think Bosh is the guy. Amare would seem to be the better fit toD’antoni in NY anyway and already knows the system. As for Boozer, he has already excelled his game alongside Deron so we can’t expect much more production out of him playing with Rose. Bosh hasn’t played with that type of PG, so it would be reasonable to think that he would improve his game even more as Rose’s #1 target. I don’t think Thabo is the SG the team would need, but I’m sure we could find a good spot up shooter to play solid D and at a reasonable price, Ben probably isn’t going to be this guy. Land Kaman and we do have a solid starting lineup to work with. I believe Deng would be more than adequate in this scenario to hit open jumpers (even if they aren’t 3’s) and slashing to the basket without the ball.
This makes a very young core with a lot of potential.
Big question will anything actually get done?

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 26, 2008 11:29 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately...

It’s not that easy to find SG’s who are good spot up shooters and play solid D at a reasonable price….

There isn’t many, for reasonable money, it’s a lot easier to find good shooters that suck on D, or good Defenders that can’t shoot….

by kidronmusic on Nov 26, 2008 11:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very true

but, if they would be playing on a team with D Rose, Bosh, and a legit NBA center they may work their way out of the woodwork for the chance to win…. ie: Ray Allen ( I hope, I hope, I hope) LOL

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 26, 2008 11:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not that Allen would leave Boston, but a similar scenario

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 26, 2008 11:54 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has anyone heard anything

with regard to the Bulls 2010 plan? Does it exist? Are they even considering it?

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 26, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I heard

Pax is hiding under his desk….

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 26, 2008 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know if I'm going to get killed or credited for this suggestion but...

Rose and Hughes for Lebron?

If Cavs think he’s leaving, this is better than any deal they could possibly get. (cap space and a young superstar!) Chicago can’t pass on James either, even if it means dumping Rose.

by CJ Bulls on Nov 26, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

DO NOT LIKE THIS IDEA

Rose is here to stay, or at least he should be, but…. if this happened…. Deng would need to be moved. I would have to think Deng paired with one or more of our better players could land a very decent center. Kirk and Thabo would be a sufficient back court, very strong defensively, with LBJ at the 3 making up for any of Thabo’s offensive lacking. Insert any PF who will rebound and you have one hell of a lineup before any 2010 siging.
Interesting idea, don’t think Cleveland would go for it. Besides can you imagine what the Cleveland fans would do if they brought Hughes back?! There would be riots! LOL

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 26, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meant to reply to CJ

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Nov 26, 2008 2:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well I think it would be a deadline deal next year

and they could just buy out Hughes.

I know this team feels like crap but…..

Hinrich
Gordon
Deng
Lebron
Noah

Wins a lot of games. BTW this is all hypothetical. I’m not serious about the offer, although it should be considered I guess.

by CJ Bulls on Nov 26, 2008 2:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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