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Bulls 101, Jazz 100: Bulls have a go-to guy. No, it's not Larry Hughes.

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First regarding the final hero of the night, Larry Hughes. Finally, all of those forced up leaning 22 foot jump-shots paid off. He's practiced that in any situation, with any group of teammates, and against any opponent. So he knew how to get it done as the clock (which he couldn't even see as the Jazz arena was a joke tonight) expired. May this get you traded after all, good work!

But this was a game that was truly won by Derrick Rose. Faced with daunting odds: not only the Utah Jazz, but his own coach who left out an atrocious defensive lineup and ran out of time outs, Rose was sensational down the stretch. Beating his man at will and letting the Jazz do what they do best, foul.

This could've played out like any other blown lead over the past several seasons due to mismanagement (why do our coaches not value rebounding and defense in crunch time?), but that's the difference when you have a player like Rose, who can make something happen on every possession, even if they're disorganized ones.

The Jazz were without most of their team tonight, but a win in their arena is still a nice prize. They catch another break with the similarly (though Manu is back) banged-up Spurs on Wednesday. So while it may not be a pretty road trip, and this team is still pretty much a mess...the results may be successful after all.

Other random real-quick observations:

Good: Tyrus played a lot more than he had the previous few games, did some decent non-scoring work. Gray had some key offensive rebounds. Noc did hit a couple shots in the 4th to partially mitigate his damage on the other end.

Bad: Tyrus had only 2 points. Him and Noah were again buried at the end. Gray was out a bit too long. Thabo got a DNP.

Terrible: Luol Deng. What the hell was that? Either he's still hurt, or he really is lost. Up there with Tyrus' jump shot early in the season, Luol's one-on-one play is something that was worked on over the summer but is now being showcased to the team's detriment.

Awesome: Rose! and any Circus Trip victory.

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you missed Vinnie

and that big group lineup. it did change the score even if deng dropped the ball on 2 occasions

by gman2849 on Nov 24, 2008 11:44 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well I liked that it kept Tyrus in the game

didn’t like that they didn’t really have a PG (Hunter) or a SG (Deng). the way Vinny’s been lately, it seemed more strangeness than tactics.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2008 12:02 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also, not sure if it was in that lineup or not

but there was a possession where Tyrus was standing outside the 3-point line. Just…not a part of the play at all.

You could see a huge difference in how the Jazz had off-ball movement and screening, and the Bulls just have so much standing spacing

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2008 12:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but it wasn't noce at the 5

and larry at the 4.

we got important rebounds and some scores

by gman2849 on Nov 25, 2008 12:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was that the possession where Tyrus and a guard, maybe BG, were like a foot apart...

at the top corner of the arc? That was the most bizarre set to me because it wasn’t really a clear-out, and no one was directing Tyrus away so I don’t think it was accidental. They just hung out together in the middle of the floor, just standing there. The craziest part is I think it ended with a basket, but I hope that’s not a “play” we ever see again.

by smash! on Nov 25, 2008 4:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like a true Bulls fan, I will go directly to the terrible.

Luol Deng. Seriously? This guy came into the game and single handedly sucked the life out of this game. He looked like he didn’t know how to play. Which isn’t good.

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 24, 2008 11:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably because

he came in with second unit after not playing for 3-4 days. His touches are mostly off post ups which isn’t his game. I think its a more a reflection to how poorly VDN is using him.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Way! U cant make excuses for that guy

He has really sucked, especially tonight. Dude is just lost and out of sync.
His only permissible excuse is if he is hurting…. and if thats the case then he should sit.

by scottie33 on Nov 25, 2008 1:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, no excuses for forgetting how to dribble.

That’s BG’s specialty! But seriously, at least Gordon can usually rely on his jumpshot if nothing else. If Luol forgets how to dribble and can’t take smaller defenders to the basket, God help us.

by smash! on Nov 25, 2008 4:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrus played a lot more than he had the previous few games, did some decent non-scoring work

^
lol

Man, I did a 360 spin in the air after Larry hit that shot…great friggin game. Wish Rose hit it, but it is what it is

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by Belize on Nov 24, 2008 11:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LH is not gonna sleep tonight.

General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.

by Azabullsfan on Nov 24, 2008 11:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice.

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by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 5:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If rose did hit that shot

it would of been the 97 finals all over again. Cuz Jordan hit that shot in the same arena, at the exact same spot at the exact same time. MAN I wish rose had made that.

by Capo on Nov 24, 2008 11:56 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Little different circumstances...

But I like where you’re going with it.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 25, 2008 12:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1998 :)

’97s shot was all Kerr baby.

Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.

by chibullsfan03 on Nov 25, 2008 12:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kerr should trade

Amare to us, just cuz

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo

by Belize on Nov 25, 2008 12:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

out of all the kerr bulls moments

i liked this one better. it helped me win some money

It aint easy bein' Piatkowski

by Yibs on Nov 25, 2008 8:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Needs more push off

and holding the follow through for effect.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come on now

I am one of the biggest Jordan homers out there. Russell was all over him, Jordan pushed off and Russell slipped going the other way. Jordan hits the shot and the rest is history.

The zombie like look the fans had in the background after that shot from 98….that’s the look Jazz fans had last night. It was awesome.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 8:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Russell got dicked

Russell’s feet were facing the baseline before Jordan even put a hand on him. There was no way he was ever going to get back in the play, his body momentum demonstrates that Russell was playing him for a drive.

by Bulls Mouthpiece on Nov 25, 2008 11:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really wanted Rose to hit that shot too because

it wouldve shown he could do it inside and out.
U can tell he is really working on that mid range jumper.
His hard work is paying off. If he can hit that shot consistently like tonight, He will be unstoppable!

by scottie33 on Nov 25, 2008 1:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who here thinks Hughes is going to shut the hell up about playing time NOW?

Congratulations to anyone who saw the game. You witnessed the one reference point that confirmed in Larry Hughes’ own mind that he is a superstar.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Nov 24, 2008 11:56 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Larry Hughes isn't even a problem.

By this time next year he’ll have one of the most sought after contracts in the league and will be an asset. The guy to worry about is Luol Deng.

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Deng will likely be fine

we KNOW Larry Hughes sucks. (see what I did there, odd Larry Hughes friend who comments here?)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2008 12:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem is

if Hughes is starting than Deng is not. At some point we have to find a way to use Deng more effectively. Starting him with the second unit and asking him to create his own shot is not going to work. Its on the coach to put his players in position to win. I would much rather see Hughes coming off the bench with the second unit and Deng starting.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deng will start when he's healthy;

it’s the BG for Hughes switcheroo that has me worried. “Well, you know, Larry brings size to the backcourt, and Ben’s scoring punch off the bench is such a psychological advantage….”

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 8:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jesus... that was too familiar.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 9:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

avert your eyes!

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 9:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The inability to really think through the logic of what he's saying and doing is frightening

VDN’s far from alone in this inability, especially amongst coaches. Still, how can he not see the disconnect in his need to start big and emphasize size and defense at the start and willingness to go small and emphasize offense at the end? It has been said thousands of times on this site but bears repeating: Just give your best players the most minutes.

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Ronald Reagan

by snley on Nov 25, 2008 9:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Know

SI.com: Define a reasonable Bulls fan’s expectations for draft picks Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha.
You also said Thomas was going to be a best chance at at STAR?

Bernhardt: The Bulls were able to take a gamble at No. 2 (thanks, Isiah!) in taking Thomas. They know he likely isn’t ready to contribute instantly, but he has the best chance at eventually becoming a star. I am expecting little from Thomas in his rookie season, though despite being very raw, at least he seems to be the type of player who fits the Bulls’ style of play. His work ethic and effort will be beneficial in practice even if he doesn’t see many minutes on the court, and if he does gets the minutes we’ll know he’s earned them.

by Know on Nov 26, 2008 1:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice use of google

surely you can see the difference in projecting a draft pick and knowing Larry Hughes already sucks.

I mean, YOU can’t, but sensible people reading can.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 26, 2008 10:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well I'm a hater of your work

since all you do is repeat yourself. Good to know Hughes scored 10000 points

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 26, 2008 10:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You do have a lot of hate, too bad, your opinion of me doesn't mean a thing, for I would not lower myself to your level of sportsmanship.

Now your consistent target with about 10 games after a torn out shoulder is hitting his 11 year career average, beating the team on 3 pt averages and your winning more than last year, “but larry sucks” and anyone that has a bad night does, so what player can play the point, the number 2 and your forward position? Ben Wallace? Don’t hate the player just cause Cleveland gave him a outstanding contract, when actually the second year of it, was his best year ever (not a contract year, stated wrong on this site about 100 times that after the Wizards he never had a good year. We got a better deal in the trade, if your jealous of the money, do the math, 30 teams, 12 players, the average one last only 4.7 years in NBA history, to make the NBA is an awesome accomplishment. We will win more with Gooden and Hughes and thats the game pal. No, there not the future, but that is not how the game works, this is where you get so foolish with your post.

It is just weird how for a so called “fan site”, copy the bulls trademarked logo and you attack someone with zero stats to back anything up, surely you can only talk about points and shots?
You can’t talk defense, you can’t even mention a broken play, I doubt you even notice them being run, but claim to watch all these games? You can’t understand there is one month and four more months to go either and recommend trades after 4 weeks. It takes any team if you been around the game much in life about 2 months to learn other players moves and start to gel. Hughes, Deng, have had injuries, and less than 10 games in a season and you just write hate everyday. It just shows how poor someone taught you about sports, maybe, I don’t know, but your knowledge of the game is really pretty weak. I don’t know you, maybe your a fantastic person, good father, spouse, so I can’t say I hate you, sorry.
Your probably a different man when met in person. On the site I will tell you that you are getting very risky when someone can slap a slander suit that will have you tangled in up court whether your right or wrong for five years and about 130K in legal bills. There is free speech and there is slander, anyone can sue, but if you have money, and every player does, on any team, they could tie you up for years, so read up, for if you have noticed myspace and facebook cases lately, your pushing the envelope not with people earning an average paycheck. Also remember, have a heart, kids look up to every player on their team, if your a moderator, maybe clean up your site so it doesn’t attack anyone that doesn’t share your constant daily complaining . Put a warning, this is not for kids.

 The post above just was to show, nobody is always right, even you, well documented with a reference, I’m not either, I make mistakes, we all do, but heck if we can have some fun, post a disagreement (without trash talk and foul language, what’s the point, it just shows quite frankly poor on our franchise, which you seem to like to follow)?

You have a website, quite frankly that one NBA player or Coach or Franchise (even the lowest paid) could take down in 48 hours with GODADDY running from you in a heartbeat.
Remember, all information, even under GODaddy is available.

 Would it be that bad that a grammar school kid could come on here, or do you ask for verification of age? Hey, its entertainment, but you really take the fun out of it. Try a little balance for your maybe the next guy that sits next to a family of four, shouting out trash talk, telling the coach who to start and then, before you know it, your hate will grow into throwing beers at players, you do it 82 times a year on line.

Would really like to know if you ever played the game in high school or division I or II ball? Not that I would check back to know, for I already do, but maybe you should share your education and credentials to the board? Your terminology is so weak to even suggest that you have ever felt the pine on your rear. So you can rip everyone, but remember, you can’t or never could play, much I think is your frustration, not the way to spend your life on the rock Bernny Baby, it will eat you up soon enough. Finally, “Friendly BullsBlogger?” What a joke.
I have seen other team boards give more credit to Bulls players than you.

Sorry I upset you with your “free speech site”, there is too many well versed sites on the net that makes this enjoyable game to watch, not reading vulgar words slandering anyone that you personally don’t like, heck, even the new coach after a dozen games is your headline, how weak.

Maybe you don’t see Bernie or Del back there, the game has changed, players do what they are told, coaching is almost by committee. Shoot fast, shoot often, you have no idea. Go get a hot dog and a coke, see a therapist and try to enjoy a day. Maybe say something positive once, you may improve your traffic or as aforementioned and I am doing you a favor here, legal rules of postings on the net have changed dramatically in the past 18 months. If I was you, I may suggest some fancy book learning, before your really experience “hate”, wow, such a vocabulary.

by Know on Dec 3, 2008 3:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe tonight

will actually make people want those “shirt off your back” Hughes Jersey give-a-way’s

…maybe.

Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.

by chibullsfan03 on Nov 25, 2008 12:03 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still don't want it

but he’s playing better because of rose

by gman2849 on Nov 25, 2008 12:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a game

Tonight was the first game I was able to attend live. Nothing better than seeing all those Jazz fans stunned and bewildered as Larry “F***ing” Hughes hit the game winner. Its true Rose carried the team down the stretch. He was even getting the star treatment with the refs which says a lot.

I thought he and Gooden played the two man game well. Lots of pick and pops. Gooden got a lot of nice looks rolling away from Rose and waiting for the cross court pass.

I was disappointed with the way the Bulls came out in the third. They came out flat and lost their lead. The Jazz by contrast came out hungry and got a lot of easy baskets off turn overs.

We also have no interior defense whatsoever. We got chewed up inside by Millsap and Okur. It seems like the Jazz scored most of their points in the paint and on transition. We looked terrible in both areas.

Loved Jazz fans telling Noc to “go back to where ever he came from in Europe”

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:06 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gooden=poor man's David West?

Nahhhh.

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Nov 25, 2008 12:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His face is funny

in the pic. funny

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo

by Belize on Nov 25, 2008 12:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gooden= rich man's malik allen

sometimes with drew, those 20 footers actually go in!

by Calogero on Nov 25, 2008 12:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ew

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Nov 25, 2008 12:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

I guess they didn’t realize that Argentina was in South America.

Russia, on the other hand straddles Europe and Asia. Turkey is definitely Asia. Think Jazz fans knew this?

by PatBull on Nov 25, 2008 12:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well they ARE inherently bad at geography...

????

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Nov 25, 2008 12:12 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad at math too

I wore my Jordan jersey and was mocked by one fan. He told me Jordan left the Bulls 8 years ago and I needed a new jersey. Of course Jordan’s last game as a Bulls was on their court 10 years ago for the Championship. This was at half time when the Bulls were up by 5. I responded by asking him what the score was.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think youve found a suitable new jersey

#1, derrick rose.
currently looks like a better investment than my tyrus thomas jersey. i still believe.

by Calogero on Nov 25, 2008 12:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I tried all weekend to get a D. Rose jersey

There is a complete dearth of Bulls gear here. I plan on ordering one online after Xmas.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im glad i bought

the shirt jersey

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo

by Belize on Nov 25, 2008 12:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still have Fizer, Eddie Robinson, Jalen Rose, Chandler, Curry

all buried in my closet.

damn it all to hell

Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.

by chibullsfan03 on Nov 25, 2008 12:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fizer?

You deserve season tickets on GP

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo

by Belize on Nov 25, 2008 12:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would make for one hell of a bombfire.

sadly that’s about all.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wanted a TT jersey

But I just had this…feeling, that the second I bought it, he’d be traded.

Maybe it’s time I got that jersey.

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Nov 25, 2008 12:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right.

My geography teacher must have misspoke.

by PatBull on Nov 25, 2008 4:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turkey is Asia?! LOL

No it’s not… The country is separated in two parts: one is on the European side and the other (the big one) is, in fact, on the Asian side…

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by bull83 on Nov 25, 2008 6:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did mean to say that Turkey, literally, is Asia.

It was in this context…

Russia= Europe+Asia
Turkey =Asia.

However, I was corrected by Diabolo and a quick internet search revealed that Turkey is considered Eurasian.

My mistake. Just hope it doesn’t become an international incident.

by PatBull on Nov 25, 2008 8:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I meant...

I did NOT mean to say…

by PatBull on Nov 25, 2008 8:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't worry ;)

I didn’t saw that Diabolo had already done the correction…

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by bull83 on Nov 25, 2008 8:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For those...

that missed it

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo

by Belize on Nov 25, 2008 12:09 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I noticed tonight

and in a few games I have caught on TV … there are times where Gordon will have the ball at the top and Rose is open on the side. Gordon will dribble the ball around either trying to work off a screen with the big or create his own shot. In teither case the result is usually the same… Gordon will dribble the ball around until he looses it or finds a shot he likes. I am not sure if this is done be design or if Gordon is trying to get his shots.

Each times this happens I wonder why he doesn’t rotate the ball over to Rose and let him attack the rim. The odd are the ball will end up back in Gordon’s hands for an uncontested shot.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:50 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BG's bball IQ scares me sometimes.

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by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 1:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gordon is playing for a contract

The game says you defer to Rose. But the player is going to look out for their own self interest first.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ROSE

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 1:39 AM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

its seems like i see a little jealousy in gordon

and also I hate the way he so lethargic on the court, looks like he’s just goin through the motions cuz of his contract issue.

by Capo on Nov 25, 2008 1:46 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt it's jealousy... unless you mean of Nocioni and Hinrich.

I’m sure he feels he’s better than those guys and wants to be paid by it. He’s probably sad that other guys get paid more because they sell and scream and stuff.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 8:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BG didn't seem thrilled with Hughes hitting the game winner

But I’ve never seen his personality reflect lots of emotion. He’s a much more calm winner rather than an emotional roller coaster.

Ben knows he can score. He wants to score. He has to score. He’ll find the harmony with Rose that won’t make him the second chair, but will make him lead guitar.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh -- poetic, but i like the analogy.

Being Jimmy Page wouldn’t be the end of the world.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 9:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This picture summarizes Ben Gordon's enthusiasm to me

He is Jimmy Page though. I like that one.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 10:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awww

He looks so left out. Like a little kid tugging on his mom’s coattail.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 10:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lmfao

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo

by Belize on Nov 25, 2008 3:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what's that matter?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 11:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With Rose

can we be Led Zeppelin or are we going to be more like the Eagles or Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young?

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol @ rose

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo

by Belize on Nov 25, 2008 1:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gray blocks out the sun, they didn't know BG was there

"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 25, 2008 7:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

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by bennythebull on Nov 25, 2008 9:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

give him a Noc wig

so you can see the hair intensity fly through the air!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2008 9:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need to hype this last second heroics

to the point where some GM somewhere picks up the phone and says “Pax, that Hughes guy is clutch. What a scorer! And he comes off the books in 2010! What will it take to get him?”

I know, a pipe dream…

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by torch on Nov 25, 2008 6:25 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No pipe dream

His numbers are improving and his expiring contract is very attractive to other teams.

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 25, 2008 7:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But what could they get?

Someone like Jamal Crawford? Zach Randolph? Personally, I’d rather have the Bulls have the cap space—though I can see the argument from the other perspective.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 8:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ditto;

I don’t care whether Hughes contributes or rides the pine. Derrick’s going to be an unselfish superstar in 2010. Pax better be ready.

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by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 8:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And those are even the most optimistic guesses?

You couldn’t get Kirk Hinrich for Larry Hughes right now. And i mean that “now”, as when Hinrich is injured.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 9:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they could deal him for hot garbage

that’s at least not going to play as much and hopefully less money (within the 125% obviously for deals) then doooo it.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2008 9:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meh... Del Negro will be gone in 2010.

Hopefully, Paxson, too. This team won’t over-achieve in the interim (yes, I’m obviously making broad generalizations based on 20% of the season). Rose will develop just fine.

There won’t be a Donnie Walsh or Mike D’Antoni available in 2010, but there might be another good GM and maybe George Karl becomes available. Or Flip Saunders still is. As long as Rose and Deng progress, and the Bulls don’t hinder the future of whatever future administration, I’m satisfied, if not happy.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 9:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's somewhat of a leap

in logic to say that Pax and VDN will both be gone. What in this organization do you see that makes you think one, or both, would actually happen? I’m genuinely curious, because I hope they’re both gone by then as well but I don’t see that happening.

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by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 11:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah. Hope. ;-P

That Del Negro’s deal is only for two years, and he won’t be good enough.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 12:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The last good thing Krause did

was trade Perdue for Rodman, and JR kept him around for 8 more years. However, who knows (considering his age) how much longer JR will run the Bulls (sorry for the pun).

by Granny Waiters on Nov 25, 2008 6:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This team is already overachieving

and I am fine with the job VDN has done so far. This team has been notorious for starting out the season slow. This year is the best recent start I can remember. This team already has two wins, could have had three, on the circus trip. This team has a chance to be .500 after this trip is done. This team has little to nothing in the frontcourt (including Deng), has been plagued with injuries albeit in its area of surplus, and it’s rookie franchise player is seeing considerable minutes and appears to be improving every single game, his teammates seem to be recognizing how to play with Rose more each game, and VDN isn’t burying guys like Tyrus and Noah even though their play would support such a move. Maybe the best way to play Ty and Noah is to ease them in rather than just playing them 35 entitled minutes and letting them “figure it out”. I think VDN has done a fine coaching job this year.

by messwiththebull on Nov 25, 2008 12:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say that Rose is overachieving

Or at least exceeding expectations, which is why I can’t give VDN too much credit for the Bulls’ early success.

by drew gooden's facial growth on Nov 25, 2008 12:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think this team is overachieving.

Not demonstrably so. And even if they are, it’s solely to Derrick Rose being awesome, playing 40 minutes a game, and Vinney Del Negro getting out of his way. And Ben Gordon ignoring VDN (admittedly—by both), and having a hot start to his season.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 1:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This team is overachieving?

When 3 of the key players (Tyrus, Deng, Noah) aren’t even playing well on a consistent basis? If anything Rose has kept this team respectable (so maybe he’s overachieving) while the rest of the roster alternates between good and crap.

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by Ozzie Montana on Nov 25, 2008 7:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Record-wise they are; I concede that

certainly guys aren’t having career years, but is this not the best recent start in memory? Is this not with a team coming off a 33 win season led by a rookie PG and rookie head coach? Is the SOS so far this year not daunting? Have the Bulls not seen the desired or expected development from guys like Ty and Noah? Can Deng be considered a disappointment thus far? Those are the questions whose answers influence my perception of overachieving. I would expect this team to be 5-10 at this time at best.

by messwiththebull on Nov 25, 2008 7:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno, I agree with your point about the record

When the consensus seems to be around 43 wins, this is indicative of that kind of record. It’s just the way they’ve won games…..I honestly thought we’d be seeing a return to strong form from Deng, solid contributions nightly from Noah/Tyrus, and by the ASG Rose would be rounding into form.

It’s not Derrick’s fault, but I think everyone (you’d think they would have seen this in practice, no) underestimated how ready this guy was to lead this team. Players have failed to adapt, and it’s led to sluggish play from some of the key guys. Lu isn’t a bust or big pussywillow like others will say, but I haven’t seen the off the ball movement I was expecting from him.

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by Ozzie Montana on Nov 25, 2008 10:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would explain our differences in evaluating the team thus far

I didn’t agree with the consensus opinion of 43 wins. I went with 38, I believe. It looks like I’ll be wrong on this one and I certainly hope I am.

by messwiththebull on Nov 26, 2008 7:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm thrilled with 7 wins at this point

We’re number 1 in SOS right now and we have 7 wins without Deng for two games(1W1L) and Hinrich is on the shelf until February. Arguably, we should have pulled out a W at Denver, so you might we could be as good as 8-7 right now.

Four of our losses(Cavs-2, Celtics-1, Lakers-1) are to conference title contenders. 3 of those 4 losses are on the road.

I think we’re in position to finish the month of December with a record around 19-13. Rose is much better this early that I anticipated. I think he eventually hits the rookie wall, but he’s showing little signs of that now. He seems to get stronger as game continues.

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by NBA Observer on Nov 26, 2008 8:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the record's good

the play is not.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 26, 2008 10:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

I’m happy with the record so far, but the play has been very choppy.

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by Ozzie Montana on Nov 27, 2008 1:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gordon was really quiet on the 4th quarter

I’m happy to see Rose taking care of the ball and making shots on crunch time, but I thought he would create some shots to Gordon too. But yesterday just wasn’t the day for Gordon, anyway. Did you notice that he didn’t make one shot during the fourth quarter? He tried a 3pt shot, but missed it…

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by bull83 on Nov 25, 2008 7:17 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he did create sum for BG

a few times he drove to the basket and kicked it out at the last second to BG, but i think he only made like 1 shot.

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by Yibs on Nov 25, 2008 8:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's really weird

how Ben seems to have trouble making shots off Rose passes.

by CrashDavis on Nov 25, 2008 8:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think it's a couple of things

1) they’re still learning each other. Rose is still learning where and when Ben likes to have the ball. It takes time.

2) Ben needs to work harder at getting open. This is part Ben, but it is part the rest of the guys on the floor. The last 2-3 games, I’ve noticed Ben just standing on the perimeter waiting for something to happen. Ben needs to cut or slash. Also, the other guys have to do a better job of setting some screens for him.

In most scenarios, Ben often ends up on the other side of the floor from Rose. Seeing as how cross-court passes aren’t really effective, it’s hard for Rose to get the ball to Ben at the right time and in the right spot. They need to work in closer proximity of one another.

I think overall, once they start to learn each other’s sweet spots on the floor, they’ll be fine.

by NormVanBeer on Nov 25, 2008 9:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a shame that they're learning to play with each other...

and in the next year they won’t play anymore, cuz we won’t sign Gordon

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by bull83 on Nov 25, 2008 9:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With a strong defenders at the 3, 4 and 5,

the Bulls would be a contender with ROSE and BG playing starters’ minutes.

by Granny Waiters on Nov 25, 2008 6:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

off any passes...

I was hesitant to believe it when others, and then Scotter, mentioned it, but he is definitely much better off the dribble. If there’s one aspect of his shooting he needs to work on, it’s catching-and-shooting. I think he’d be fine if he worked on it….

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 9:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

get the man-slave out there

to throw 600 passes.

I don’t think he’s worse at catch/shoot, it’s just anecdotal evidence.

I can say this until someone actually tracks it :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2008 9:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I just looked at 82 games.com, used assist% vs. eFG in shot clock seconds (the most detailed I could find) and did the same for jump shots for whole seasons as well (the shot clock didn’t break it down further) and found very little correlation that a lower-assisted percentage meant a higher eFG on jump shots in general (per year) or at any point in the shot clock (jump shots or “close” or whatever).

Granted, that’s about as rudimentary as one get, and there might be more detailed information elsewhere, but…

So, um… yeah.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 10:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not just Ben

Noah and Noc have had problems receiving passes from Rose as well. Noc receives them better when he’s at the top of the key.

Rose has created excellent opportunities for easy dunks for Gray and Noah. However, they are Gray and Noah with each wearing cinder blocks for shoes. Neither player is very good at receiving a pass right near the rim for the easy dunk. Noah has been expecting Rose to shoot anytimes he enters the paint, but the easier shot is the pull of Noah’s defender towards Rose and a little drop off or pass near the rim for the flush.

We’ll get better with more playing time. I want the recipients of Rose’s passes in the paint to be Thomas and Noah.

Kenyon Martin would probably look like an all-star playing with Derrick Rose. Anyone else we can acquire that can be the “go get it” rim wrecker that also rebounds?

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by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

You’re right. Right now, they seem to keep making plays for Gooden and the others, like TT, stand still at the 3 point line or something like that. They always try to give Gooden the ball and pray that he makes that 18/20ft jumper or something else…

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by bull83 on Nov 25, 2008 9:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We give away a lot

when we launch jumpers instead of dunks. Points in the paint isn’t that big of a deal numbers wise. But when you give up a lot of them it demoralizes a team. When you get a lot of them it inspires a team.
Plus dunks on the road shut the home crowd up. And dunks at home get them on their feet. Nice assists make them louder.

Hopefully by the end of this season the assists to dunks will get the UC people out of their seats instead of free big macs.

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by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea i dont get it. he set him with sum easy shots yest.

for all the noch hate that goes on here. u gotta admit he learned to play with rose quick.

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by Yibs on Nov 25, 2008 6:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

luol was clearly immobile

i assume he was either still hurting or at the very least rusty… thabo gets a dnp yet we see luol trying to play sg!

by Jaina on Nov 25, 2008 7:45 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

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by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2008 11:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We waste Thabo

while Jerry Sloan is turning Ronnie Brewer into a remarkable talent.

What’s the difference between Thabo and Brewer? The system they play in.

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by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that was a huge question, too.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 10:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hasn't improved since college

Yet he’s worked himself into the starting role on a top 5 team in the West because he (SHOCK) plays in an offense that maximizes his athleticism and quickness.

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by Ozzie Montana on Nov 25, 2008 7:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few points

VDN didn’t appear to want to call that final timeout with 51 seconds left but the players seemed to have panicked and called it on their own, so that should be considered when criticizing VDN for having no timeouts left for the last few seconds.

Rose was a beast, what more can be said? But I thought Hughes played well last night, last shot aside, and I thought he looked better at the 3 than what I’ve seen this year from Deng in terms of seeing to fit in more with the offense. I think Deng has to stay the starting 3, and I think he’ll bounce back to have a fine season.

All BaB bias aside, maybe it is time to consider staring Larry at the 2. Especially if this means that we won’t have to force Derrick Rose to get abused by big 2 guards like Ronnie Brewer was abusing him last night because the coaching staff didn’t seem to want to put BG on him. If BG’s going to play the 2 on offense, make his ass guard the 2s on defense, and if the cost benefit of this doesn’t fall in BG’s favor, then bring him off the bench. You don’t accomodate for his defense by making your franchise player guard bigger players.

by messwiththebull on Nov 25, 2008 8:33 AM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

the timeout
“I didn’t want to, but then I realized where we were going to have to inbounds the ball,” Del Negro said. “I was a little nervous about our inbounds play down there. I didn’t want to turn the ball over. I was trying to figure out if it was on the side or if it was underneath. When it was underneath, I thought I should definitely take it.”

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by NormVanBeer on Nov 25, 2008 8:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More spin doctoring

I guess that explains why VDN was waving his arms “no” like an air traffic controller when the timeout was in the process of being called.

by messwiththebull on Nov 25, 2008 12:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

If Gordon wants to be the man then he must play defense too. Even against the other teams 2.

by MuleTrain on Nov 25, 2008 9:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In most of the cases I've seen

The Bulls have been giving BG the tougher cover to protect Rose. So I think the foundation of your criticism is a bit misplaced there.

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by Sports2 on Nov 25, 2008 2:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not from what I saw last night

and that’s all I had to see. I saw my franchise rookie PG guarding a mean big SG and getting owned (physically) in the process.

by messwiththebull on Nov 25, 2008 7:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Deng is still hurt or rusty...

Why not just send him to the D league for a game or two to get back in Sync? They do it in baseball all the time! Send him down for one game to get his timing in sync and his shot back and then when we send him out for real game he’ll actually be ready. It would be better than watching him suck the life out of the team like he did last night.

by 72-10 on Nov 25, 2008 8:46 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's dumb

what is the point of having a D league if you can’t move players back and forth from there to the NBA…. o-well, thanks for the info.

by 72-10 on Nov 25, 2008 8:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

obviously not

but maybe it should be. It would improve the product on the floor for the NBA. You wouldn’t have rusty players out there sucking quite as often.

by 72-10 on Nov 25, 2008 8:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they'd be better served having some sort of better minor league system

that’s for sure.

the d-league has problems though. i remember reading (sam smith, i believe) about how the teams didn’t trust the d-league. and that the incident with our guy getting a cracked skull by his own teammate was sort of embodying the reason why.

by Jaina on Nov 25, 2008 9:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very good point!

I forgot about that. I never did here about what happened to the buy who hit him. I sure hope he was sent to jail for assault.

by 72-10 on Nov 25, 2008 9:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

after his contract was terminated

by his d-league team, he was actually signed by the bucks!

by Jaina on Nov 25, 2008 9:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How's he going to get "back in sync"...

…w/ the team and the offense and Derrick Rose playing in the D-League? He’s only been out a few games.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 9:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you lose it that quickly;

I know it’s counter-intuitive. But the whole think – inactivity, coming off the bench, not exactly flowing before he got hurt. Kind of a bad combination.

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by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 9:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not if you're a pro.

And my point is, even if you do lose it that quickly, playing inferior athletes and basketball players won’t help you get it back quicker after such a short time out. What’s better? 15 mins. against pros or 2 or 3 games against d-leaguers? After missing 3 games and less than a week? I’ll take the former, for sure.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 10:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa,

I think the D-league thing is crazy. Completely against it. Completely for playing Deng against pros. I was only saying that even though he’s only missed three days, it takes a day or two to get back into sync, so we can pretty much toss out his play last night. I would never send Deng to the d-league.

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by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 10:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, okay, my fault

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 11:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

players need to get their game back in sync, it isn't just how they jell's with the team.

I know when I haven’t played for a few weeks, I need a couple of days to get back in the groove… now I’m not a pro of course, but can take time to get your shot back, know where to go on the floor etc. You could work out the kinks in games that don’t matter and then bring players up to the big club when they are ready and you know that they are healthy. You would probably need a minor league system where each team had their own minor league team that played the same sets as the pro club to make this effective.

by 72-10 on Nov 25, 2008 9:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right. You're not a pro.

And people constantly forget that pro athletes are on a vastly different physical level than us normal people. Plus, he didn’t miss a few weeks, but a few days. Would you be better served getting back in the flow playing against your normal peers or against a bunch of junior high schoolers? If you’re physically ready, it’s easily the former. It’s up to the coach to mitigate the negative effects of your play getting back into it (which Del Negro clearly did last night), but you would best be served by playing against he best competition possible right away (again, as long as you’re physically ready).

Now, if you were talking about Hinrich and being out 3 months, you might have an argument. But I don’t think so in this case.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 10:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luol needs to get a few practices

under his belt. Not sure why VDN felt a need to throw him out there. Especially with Thabo right there on the bench.

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by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 8:51 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's better than Thabo.

Yeah, he should have evaluated on the fly and if Deng didn’t have it, use Thabo over him. But he’s better… and if he thuoght Deng was close to 100%, he has to get him out there. And he didn’t start him. Only 16 mins. I wouldn’t nitpick that much on Del Negro considering all his other lineup decisions.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 9:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But of course, to each his own.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 9:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

considering vinny's pulled guys

for looking better than luol, after his first stint, i wouldn’t have brought him back in.

by Jaina on Nov 25, 2008 9:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok?

he actually did better his second stint. well, arguably, kind of

my hope is that the second stint (and the first) means he’s not taking a second game to get back into it.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 10:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bollocks

His second stint was worse. He turned it over twice and provided little to nothing on defense.

4 missed jump shots on the night. 1 made layup. If he doesn’t have the health to get to the rim sit his ass on the bench until he’s ready. At least he can’t turn it over from the bench.

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by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 10:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Jazz were depleted

so I can see why Vinny threw Deng out there. However, Deng was just terrible and ineffective on both ends. Play Thabo. You’re getting run out of the gym in the 3rd quarter and one of your best players at stopping these runs and creating them for you gathers dust at the end of your bench.

That’s bad.

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by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay. Wasn't that basically what I said?

Only not w/ all your pomp and circumstance?

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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 10:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here u go

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by Yibs on Nov 25, 2008 9:01 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That play at the end of the first half is sick

The boy is really, really, really, really, really, really good

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by bull83 on Nov 25, 2008 9:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

best part of it

if u look at the top as he gets to the basket i think BG(maybe hunter) is open for a 3. but while it was happening all i said was please dont pass it, please dont pass it…

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by Yibs on Nov 25, 2008 6:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm really scared

that VDN and other people in the Bulls organization will really think Larry is a good player and continue to give him quality minutes.

I even had a friend who said today what I think is the biggest mistake someone can make when summing up Hughes’ game by saying: “when he wants to be, Hughes is a really good all-around player”

I almost headbutted my monitor upon reading those words…

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by Ugh It Live! on Nov 25, 2008 9:25 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't headbutt your monitor,

but I agree. When he wants to be. I.E., when he’s in a contract year.

When Hughes doesn’t take awful shots, plays intense defense, slashes, and runs the break, he’s very good. Sadly, he doesn’t do that anymore, and he stinks.

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by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 9:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So will Hughes play well next year,

since he will be an unsigned free agent at the end of the season?

by Granny Waiters on Nov 25, 2008 7:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is showing up statistically too

By my count he’s had more good games than bad ones and his stats are up by most every measure. He’s back to playing the decent but not more than that basketball he was his first couple years with the Wiz

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by Sports2 on Nov 26, 2008 6:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hughes is a great talent with many solid seasons ahead of him

Any number of NBA clubs can get more out of Hughes than he can deliver for our rebuilding team. He deserves a role with a playoff contender.

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by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think if he

just eliminated those transition jumpers last night he had a pretty decent game.

The problem with what you’re saying is he thinks that role involves forty minutes a night.

by CrashDavis on Nov 25, 2008 9:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm really scared

that no matter how much Hughes produces, I’ll have to keep reading about how much he sucks. If he’s sucking, that’s one thing, but even his good performances are being lamented and that is just ridiculous.

by messwiththebull on Nov 25, 2008 12:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First, why does that "scare" you?

Second, it’s the stupid-lineup principle. Said things are not good. The rare times they are good reinforce to the selective observer that they should be used more often. The overall bad will outweigh the occasional good. If there was a coach that I felt comfortable who would only ride a hot hand as long as its hot and pull it as soon as it was cold, it would be good. They don’t. So it’s not.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2008 1:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It doesn't scare me

I just wanted to make a play on the title of his post.

I would like to see Larry get more run with Derrick, ideally not at the expense of benching Deng, to see how those two play off each other. I am reading way more into this than I have any business doing, but I got the impression that Rose likes Larry, or likes playing with Larry, for whatever reason. Maybe there’s something about their pairing, a vibe, the meshing of their games, that goes well. If not, it probably won’t take long to recognize.

by messwiththebull on Nov 25, 2008 7:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With a

name like MrBungle I would like to believe you’re joking…otherwise I, I don’t even know – can we de-rec someone?

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 25, 2008 10:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

Like I said – I assumed you’re joking…so lets leave it @ that. Some people really do think Hughes is good though – and that’s what really scares me.

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 25, 2008 11:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hughes just needs the minutes to be an all-star

That contract is a good one for the spot 2010 year, but he can help a contender right now.

I can’t keep this going for very long. It’s painfully true.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 11:12 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Larry Hughes

is a ball-hawk who’s never afraid to take the big shot. He’s a true NBA veteran, having played for five teams, which gives him a wealth of experience. Like all great NBA players, he’s supremely confident in his abilities. Furthermore, his unique skillset has allowed him to log minutes at three positions. It’s not Larry Hughes’ fault that coaches have consistantly failed to maximize Larry Hughes’ diverse talents. He’s also a gamer, willing to play through pain, coming back from injuries much earlier than people would expect. That’s the one thing you can really say about Larry. When you think you’ve seen the last of him, he’s back for more.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 11:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hughes is a Seven Tool player

who any GM would be wise to build around. Unfortunately, the Bulls have decided to build around Rose. Parting with Hughes would be difficult and his departure would leave the Bulls with a huge void at Shooting Guard. However, as difficult it is for me to say this, for his own good, Larry must be allowed to shine with another team. The Bulls are clearly not a fit for Larry with their bland concept of team play. I truly belive that Hughes would flourish under the tutelage of a coach who is capable of devoping once in a generation type superstars, ala Phil Jackson. I am not afriad to admit that my love for Hughes is greater than my love for the Bulls and thus I would be happy to see Larrty leave for his own good.

by MrBungle on Nov 25, 2008 11:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Amare,

The Amazing Larry Hughes is the REAL 2010 free agent prize! ;)

by Granny Waiters on Nov 25, 2008 7:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Don't worry. Anyone who has seen the Bulls play knows how worthless Hughes is.

Like the saying goes, “When you Hughes, you lose.”

I gotta admit though, when Hughes drives to the rim he is decent. If he would stop taking 20ft off-balance jump shots he could actually help the team.

by MrBungle on Nov 25, 2008 11:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've incorporated a new

twist in our usual weekend Bulls drinking game. Every time you hear Stacy/Neil say that a player scored bc Huges got lost or Hughes blows a defensive assignment- you chug a beer. It’s guaranteed to get you hammered, especially w/ all the minutes he’s been logging lately.

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 25, 2008 11:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm adding "a Hughes assist is an immediate chug" rule

Help me avoid alcoholism John Paxson.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 11:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm still happy bout the Deng contract

He’s a bit injured right now but don’t take away what he’s done in the past

by Option27 on Nov 25, 2008 2:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

turned the Great Britain National Team into a powerhouse

Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.

-- Scottie Pippen

by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 25, 2008 5:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh

That’s like reaching the age of 21 to drink the non-alcoholic beer.

Yay! * half ass fist pump *

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2008 9:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't thrilled with the $ we gave him

but we’ll see Deng bounce back this year. His game hasn’t regressed from what I’ve seen; he just seems a bit out of place in the offense. His FG% decline is the biggest surprise but one has to expect some reversion to the mean for a guy who’s otherwise been a career 48% shooter.

It’s still to early to give up on Deng. I would no more give up on Deng today than I would expect him to finish the season at the 82.4% free-throw shooting he’s currently at.

by messwiththebull on Nov 26, 2008 7:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noah

Does the Bulls trainer do anything to this guy? I never seen any NBA player lost his breath like Noah did today.

by koolaje on Nov 26, 2008 4:52 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trainers can only

do so much. The players have to be accountable for keeping themselves in shape.

by sue369 on Nov 26, 2008 10:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He couldn't work out during the eye injury,

and there was another injury I think.
And also what sue said, he didn’t come into the season in shape. Which sucks. :/
Hopefully he’ll be better off near the all-star game.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Nov 30, 2008 3:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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