Bulls 101, Jazz 100: Bulls have a go-to guy. No, it's not Larry Hughes.
via d.yimg.com
First regarding the final hero of the night, Larry Hughes. Finally, all of those forced up leaning 22 foot jump-shots paid off. He's practiced that in any situation, with any group of teammates, and against any opponent. So he knew how to get it done as the clock (which he couldn't even see as the Jazz arena was a joke tonight) expired. May this get you traded after all, good work!
But this was a game that was truly won by Derrick Rose. Faced with daunting odds: not only the Utah Jazz, but his own coach who left out an atrocious defensive lineup and ran out of time outs, Rose was sensational down the stretch. Beating his man at will and letting the Jazz do what they do best, foul.
This could've played out like any other blown lead over the past several seasons due to mismanagement (why do our coaches not value rebounding and defense in crunch time?), but that's the difference when you have a player like Rose, who can make something happen on every possession, even if they're disorganized ones.
The Jazz were without most of their team tonight, but a win in their arena is still a nice prize. They catch another break with the similarly (though Manu is back) banged-up Spurs on Wednesday. So while it may not be a pretty road trip, and this team is still pretty much a mess...the results may be successful after all.
Other random real-quick observations:
Good: Tyrus played a lot more than he had the previous few games, did some decent non-scoring work. Gray had some key offensive rebounds. Noc did hit a couple shots in the 4th to partially mitigate his damage on the other end.
Bad: Tyrus had only 2 points. Him and Noah were again buried at the end. Gray was out a bit too long. Thabo got a DNP.
Terrible: Luol Deng. What the hell was that? Either he's still hurt, or he really is lost. Up there with Tyrus' jump shot early in the season, Luol's one-on-one play is something that was worked on over the summer but is now being showcased to the team's detriment.
Awesome: Rose! and any Circus Trip victory.
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you missed Vinnie
and that big group lineup. it did change the score even if deng dropped the ball on 2 occasions
by gman2849 on Nov 24, 2008 11:44 PM CST 0 recs
well I liked that it kept Tyrus in the game
didn’t like that they didn’t really have a PG (Hunter) or a SG (Deng). the way Vinny’s been lately, it seemed more strangeness than tactics.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 25, 2008 12:02 AM CST
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also, not sure if it was in that lineup or not
but there was a possession where Tyrus was standing outside the 3-point line. Just…not a part of the play at all.
You could see a huge difference in how the Jazz had off-ball movement and screening, and the Bulls just have so much standing spacing
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 25, 2008 12:04 AM CST
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but it wasn't noce at the 5
and larry at the 4.
we got important rebounds and some scores
by gman2849 on
Nov 25, 2008 12:07 AM CST
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Was that the possession where Tyrus and a guard, maybe BG, were like a foot apart...
at the top corner of the arc? That was the most bizarre set to me because it wasn’t really a clear-out, and no one was directing Tyrus away so I don’t think it was accidental. They just hung out together in the middle of the floor, just standing there. The craziest part is I think it ended with a basket, but I hope that’s not a “play” we ever see again.
by smash! on
Nov 25, 2008 4:48 PM CST
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Like a true Bulls fan, I will go directly to the terrible.
Luol Deng. Seriously? This guy came into the game and single handedly sucked the life out of this game. He looked like he didn’t know how to play. Which isn’t good.
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 24, 2008 11:45 PM CST 0 recs
Probably because
he came in with second unit after not playing for 3-4 days. His touches are mostly off post ups which isn’t his game. I think its a more a reflection to how poorly VDN is using him.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Nov 25, 2008 12:10 AM CST
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No Way! U cant make excuses for that guy
He has really sucked, especially tonight. Dude is just lost and out of sync.
His only permissible excuse is if he is hurting…. and if thats the case then he should sit.
by scottie33 on
Nov 25, 2008 1:13 AM CST
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Yeah, no excuses for forgetting how to dribble.
That’s BG’s specialty! But seriously, at least Gordon can usually rely on his jumpshot if nothing else. If Luol forgets how to dribble and can’t take smaller defenders to the basket, God help us.
by smash! on
Nov 25, 2008 4:51 PM CST
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Tyrus played a lot more than he had the previous few games, did some decent non-scoring work
^
lol
Man, I did a 360 spin in the air after Larry hit that shot…great friggin game. Wish Rose hit it, but it is what it is
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by Belize on Nov 24, 2008 11:46 PM CST 0 recs
LH is not gonna sleep tonight.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Nov 24, 2008 11:48 PM CST 0 recs
I just heard he already added a new tattoo...
to commemorate the occasion.
by smash! on
Nov 25, 2008 4:52 PM CST
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Nice.
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by Illini15 on
Nov 25, 2008 5:04 PM CST
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todays forecast in hell...
blizzard-like conditions, high around 0
by Calogero on Nov 24, 2008 11:52 PM CST 1 recs
Who here thinks Hughes is going to shut the hell up about playing time NOW?
Congratulations to anyone who saw the game. You witnessed the one reference point that confirmed in Larry Hughes’ own mind that he is a superstar.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Nov 24, 2008 11:56 PM CST 1 recs
Larry Hughes isn't even a problem.
By this time next year he’ll have one of the most sought after contracts in the league and will be an asset. The guy to worry about is Luol Deng.
by Juiceboxjerry on
Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM CST
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Deng will likely be fine
we KNOW Larry Hughes sucks. (see what I did there, odd Larry Hughes friend who comments here?)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 25, 2008 12:03 AM CST
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I didn't say Hughes was good, I just said he isn't the problem everyone is making him out to be
by Juiceboxjerry on
Nov 25, 2008 12:06 AM CST
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no, he completely is
if he plays this much.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 25, 2008 12:22 AM CST
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No, you're wrong again. If he plays this much the coach is the problem.
by Juiceboxjerry on
Nov 25, 2008 12:40 AM CST
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if you want to argue it that way
then the real blame falls upon the gm
by lampnasty on
Nov 25, 2008 2:13 AM CST
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well then its all reinsdorfs fault for getting wallace
It aint easy bein' Piatkowski
by Yibs on
Nov 25, 2008 8:48 AM CST
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The problem is
if Hughes is starting than Deng is not. At some point we have to find a way to use Deng more effectively. Starting him with the second unit and asking him to create his own shot is not going to work. Its on the coach to put his players in position to win. I would much rather see Hughes coming off the bench with the second unit and Deng starting.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Nov 25, 2008 12:29 AM CST
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Deng will start when he's healthy;
it’s the BG for Hughes switcheroo that has me worried. “Well, you know, Larry brings size to the backcourt, and Ben’s scoring punch off the bench is such a psychological advantage….”
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Nov 25, 2008 8:42 AM CST
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Jesus... that was too familiar.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on
Nov 25, 2008 9:08 AM CST
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LOL
avert your eyes!
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by MPG on
Nov 25, 2008 9:16 AM CST
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The inability to really think through the logic of what he's saying and doing is frightening
VDN’s far from alone in this inability, especially amongst coaches. Still, how can he not see the disconnect in his need to start big and emphasize size and defense at the start and willingness to go small and emphasize offense at the end? It has been said thousands of times on this site but bears repeating: Just give your best players the most minutes.
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Ronald Reagan
by snley on
Nov 25, 2008 9:20 AM CST
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Know
SI.com: Define a reasonable Bulls fan’s expectations for draft picks Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha.
You also said Thomas was going to be a best chance at at STAR?
Bernhardt: The Bulls were able to take a gamble at No. 2 (thanks, Isiah!) in taking Thomas. They know he likely isn’t ready to contribute instantly, but he has the best chance at eventually becoming a star. I am expecting little from Thomas in his rookie season, though despite being very raw, at least he seems to be the type of player who fits the Bulls’ style of play. His work ethic and effort will be beneficial in practice even if he doesn’t see many minutes on the court, and if he does gets the minutes we’ll know he’s earned them.
by Know on
Nov 26, 2008 1:04 AM CST
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nice use of google
surely you can see the difference in projecting a draft pick and knowing Larry Hughes already sucks.
I mean, YOU can’t, but sensible people reading can.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 26, 2008 10:09 AM CST
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well I'm a hater of your work
since all you do is repeat yourself. Good to know Hughes scored 10000 points
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 26, 2008 10:10 AM CST
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You do have a lot of hate, too bad, your opinion of me doesn't mean a thing, for I would not lower myself to your level of sportsmanship.
Now your consistent target with about 10 games after a torn out shoulder is hitting his 11 year career average, beating the team on 3 pt averages and your winning more than last year, “but larry sucks” and anyone that has a bad night does, so what player can play the point, the number 2 and your forward position? Ben Wallace? Don’t hate the player just cause Cleveland gave him a outstanding contract, when actually the second year of it, was his best year ever (not a contract year, stated wrong on this site about 100 times that after the Wizards he never had a good year. We got a better deal in the trade, if your jealous of the money, do the math, 30 teams, 12 players, the average one last only 4.7 years in NBA history, to make the NBA is an awesome accomplishment. We will win more with Gooden and Hughes and thats the game pal. No, there not the future, but that is not how the game works, this is where you get so foolish with your post.
It is just weird how for a so called “fan site”, copy the bulls trademarked logo and you attack someone with zero stats to back anything up, surely you can only talk about points and shots?
You can’t talk defense, you can’t even mention a broken play, I doubt you even notice them being run, but claim to watch all these games? You can’t understand there is one month and four more months to go either and recommend trades after 4 weeks. It takes any team if you been around the game much in life about 2 months to learn other players moves and start to gel. Hughes, Deng, have had injuries, and less than 10 games in a season and you just write hate everyday. It just shows how poor someone taught you about sports, maybe, I don’t know, but your knowledge of the game is really pretty weak. I don’t know you, maybe your a fantastic person, good father, spouse, so I can’t say I hate you, sorry.
Your probably a different man when met in person. On the site I will tell you that you are getting very risky when someone can slap a slander suit that will have you tangled in up court whether your right or wrong for five years and about 130K in legal bills. There is free speech and there is slander, anyone can sue, but if you have money, and every player does, on any team, they could tie you up for years, so read up, for if you have noticed myspace and facebook cases lately, your pushing the envelope not with people earning an average paycheck. Also remember, have a heart, kids look up to every player on their team, if your a moderator, maybe clean up your site so it doesn’t attack anyone that doesn’t share your constant daily complaining . Put a warning, this is not for kids.
The post above just was to show, nobody is always right, even you, well documented with a reference, I’m not either, I make mistakes, we all do, but heck if we can have some fun, post a disagreement (without trash talk and foul language, what’s the point, it just shows quite frankly poor on our franchise, which you seem to like to follow)?
You have a website, quite frankly that one NBA player or Coach or Franchise (even the lowest paid) could take down in 48 hours with GODADDY running from you in a heartbeat.
Remember, all information, even under GODaddy is available.
Would it be that bad that a grammar school kid could come on here, or do you ask for verification of age? Hey, its entertainment, but you really take the fun out of it. Try a little balance for your maybe the next guy that sits next to a family of four, shouting out trash talk, telling the coach who to start and then, before you know it, your hate will grow into throwing beers at players, you do it 82 times a year on line.
Would really like to know if you ever played the game in high school or division I or II ball? Not that I would check back to know, for I already do, but maybe you should share your education and credentials to the board? Your terminology is so weak to even suggest that you have ever felt the pine on your rear. So you can rip everyone, but remember, you can’t or never could play, much I think is your frustration, not the way to spend your life on the rock Bernny Baby, it will eat you up soon enough. Finally, “Friendly BullsBlogger?” What a joke.
I have seen other team boards give more credit to Bulls players than you.
Sorry I upset you with your “free speech site”, there is too many well versed sites on the net that makes this enjoyable game to watch, not reading vulgar words slandering anyone that you personally don’t like, heck, even the new coach after a dozen games is your headline, how weak.
Maybe you don’t see Bernie or Del back there, the game has changed, players do what they are told, coaching is almost by committee. Shoot fast, shoot often, you have no idea. Go get a hot dog and a coke, see a therapist and try to enjoy a day. Maybe say something positive once, you may improve your traffic or as aforementioned and I am doing you a favor here, legal rules of postings on the net have changed dramatically in the past 18 months. If I was you, I may suggest some fancy book learning, before your really experience “hate”, wow, such a vocabulary.
by Know on
Dec 3, 2008 3:39 AM CST
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If rose did hit that shot
it would of been the 97 finals all over again. Cuz Jordan hit that shot in the same arena, at the exact same spot at the exact same time. MAN I wish rose had made that.
by Capo on Nov 24, 2008 11:56 PM CST 0 recs
Little different circumstances...
But I like where you’re going with it.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Nov 25, 2008 12:17 AM CST
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1998 :)
’97s shot was all Kerr baby.
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on
Nov 25, 2008 12:27 AM CST
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Kerr should trade
Amare to us, just cuz
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by Belize on
Nov 25, 2008 12:46 AM CST
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out of all the kerr bulls moments
i liked this one better. it helped me win some money
It aint easy bein' Piatkowski
by Yibs on
Nov 25, 2008 8:46 AM CST
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Needs more push off
and holding the follow through for effect.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Nov 25, 2008 12:31 AM CST
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Come on now
I am one of the biggest Jordan homers out there. Russell was all over him, Jordan pushed off and Russell slipped going the other way. Jordan hits the shot and the rest is history.
The zombie like look the fans had in the background after that shot from 98….that’s the look Jazz fans had last night. It was awesome.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Nov 25, 2008 8:31 AM CST
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Russell got dicked
Russell’s feet were facing the baseline before Jordan even put a hand on him. There was no way he was ever going to get back in the play, his body momentum demonstrates that Russell was playing him for a drive.
by Bulls Mouthpiece on
Nov 25, 2008 11:49 AM CST
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I really wanted Rose to hit that shot too because
it wouldve shown he could do it inside and out.
U can tell he is really working on that mid range jumper.
His hard work is paying off. If he can hit that shot consistently like tonight, He will be unstoppable!
by scottie33 on
Nov 25, 2008 1:18 AM CST
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Maybe tonight
will actually make people want those “shirt off your back” Hughes Jersey give-a-way’s
…maybe.
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 25, 2008 12:03 AM CST 0 recs
still don't want it
but he’s playing better because of rose
by gman2849 on
Nov 25, 2008 12:09 AM CST
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What a game
Tonight was the first game I was able to attend live. Nothing better than seeing all those Jazz fans stunned and bewildered as Larry “F***ing” Hughes hit the game winner. Its true Rose carried the team down the stretch. He was even getting the star treatment with the refs which says a lot.
I thought he and Gooden played the two man game well. Lots of pick and pops. Gooden got a lot of nice looks rolling away from Rose and waiting for the cross court pass.
I was disappointed with the way the Bulls came out in the third. They came out flat and lost their lead. The Jazz by contrast came out hungry and got a lot of easy baskets off turn overs.
We also have no interior defense whatsoever. We got chewed up inside by Millsap and Okur. It seems like the Jazz scored most of their points in the paint and on transition. We looked terrible in both areas.
Loved Jazz fans telling Noc to “go back to where ever he came from in Europe”
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:06 AM CST 0 recs
Gooden=poor man's David West?
Nahhhh.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 25, 2008 12:09 AM CST
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His face is funny
in the pic. funny
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo
by Belize on
Nov 25, 2008 12:16 AM CST
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gooden= rich man's malik allen
sometimes with drew, those 20 footers actually go in!
by Calogero on
Nov 25, 2008 12:24 AM CST
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ew
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 25, 2008 12:41 AM CST
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Hmmm...
I guess they didn’t realize that Argentina was in South America.
Russia, on the other hand straddles Europe and Asia. Turkey is definitely Asia. Think Jazz fans knew this?
by PatBull on
Nov 25, 2008 12:10 AM CST
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Well they ARE inherently bad at geography...
????
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 25, 2008 12:12 AM CST
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Bad at math too
I wore my Jordan jersey and was mocked by one fan. He told me Jordan left the Bulls 8 years ago and I needed a new jersey. Of course Jordan’s last game as a Bulls was on their court 10 years ago for the Championship. This was at half time when the Bulls were up by 5. I responded by asking him what the score was.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Nov 25, 2008 12:21 AM CST
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i think youve found a suitable new jersey
#1, derrick rose.
currently looks like a better investment than my tyrus thomas jersey. i still believe.
by Calogero on
Nov 25, 2008 12:25 AM CST
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I tried all weekend to get a D. Rose jersey
There is a complete dearth of Bulls gear here. I plan on ordering one online after Xmas.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Nov 25, 2008 12:34 AM CST
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Im glad i bought
the shirt jersey
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo
by Belize on
Nov 25, 2008 12:40 AM CST
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I still have Fizer, Eddie Robinson, Jalen Rose, Chandler, Curry
all buried in my closet.
damn it all to hell
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on
Nov 25, 2008 12:41 AM CST
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Fizer?
You deserve season tickets on GP
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo
by Belize on
Nov 25, 2008 12:41 AM CST
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That would make for one hell of a bombfire.
sadly that’s about all.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Nov 25, 2008 12:42 AM CST
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I wanted a TT jersey
But I just had this…feeling, that the second I bought it, he’d be traded.
Maybe it’s time I got that jersey.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 25, 2008 12:44 AM CST
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i hoped soo bad that derrick will somehow get the bumber 5. so i can finally wear my old jalen rose jersey and no one would be the wiser.
but noch had it i guess
It aint easy bein' Piatkowski
by Yibs on
Nov 25, 2008 8:50 AM CST
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Russia, on the other hand straddles Europe and Asia
So does Turkey !
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on
Nov 25, 2008 3:30 AM CST
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You're right.
My geography teacher must have misspoke.
by PatBull on
Nov 25, 2008 4:36 AM CST
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Turkey is Asia?! LOL
No it’s not… The country is separated in two parts: one is on the European side and the other (the big one) is, in fact, on the Asian side…
http://comunidadebulleana.blogspot.com/ - Comunidade Bulleana (O blog dos Bulls em Portugal)
by bull83 on
Nov 25, 2008 6:42 AM CST
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I did mean to say that Turkey, literally, is Asia.
It was in this context…
Russia= Europe+Asia
Turkey =Asia.
However, I was corrected by Diabolo and a quick internet search revealed that Turkey is considered Eurasian.
My mistake. Just hope it doesn’t become an international incident.
by PatBull on
Nov 25, 2008 8:31 AM CST
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Don't worry ;)
I didn’t saw that Diabolo had already done the correction…
http://comunidadebulleana.blogspot.com/ - Comunidade Bulleana (O blog dos Bulls em Portugal)
by bull83 on
Nov 25, 2008 8:53 AM CST
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For those...
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo
by Belize on Nov 25, 2008 12:09 AM CST 0 recs
I noticed tonight
and in a few games I have caught on TV … there are times where Gordon will have the ball at the top and Rose is open on the side. Gordon will dribble the ball around either trying to work off a screen with the big or create his own shot. In teither case the result is usually the same… Gordon will dribble the ball around until he looses it or finds a shot he likes. I am not sure if this is done be design or if Gordon is trying to get his shots.
Each times this happens I wonder why he doesn’t rotate the ball over to Rose and let him attack the rim. The odd are the ball will end up back in Gordon’s hands for an uncontested shot.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on Nov 25, 2008 12:50 AM CST 0 recs



