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A New Development in the Story of Rose:

teams are gameplanning him.  For three nights now - at Portland, Golden State and Denver - the singular goal of their defenses was to stop Derrick.  The strategy thus far is simple: double team hard, and as far from the hoop as necessary.  Do what you have to get the ball out of his hands.  And while it's cool that teams have decided, this early in his career, that Rose is a player worth gameplanning (you don't see, for instance, teams worrying in the same way about Mayo or Beasley), it also provides a unique challenge.   He never saw this at Memphis, and in high school the talent divide was such that it didn't matter what defenses did.  This is a new thing he's facing - elite athletes, several, who are bent on getting the ball out of his hands.   He's getting the star treatment, and it's kinda cool.

But now it's time to for VDN to adjust.  That's right - I'm asking him to "coach".    

The reason is simple - it's a risky, bad defense to double that hard and that far from the basket.  One play demonstrates what I'm talking about.   Rose was doubled in no-man's land, Nocioni cuts to the top of the key.  Easy pass to Noc.  Noc, in the middle of the floor, has easy passes to one of three players spaced around the perimeter.  There are only two players remaining to defend.  Simple pass to wide open Hunter; and the three pointer is good. 

Easy passes made easy by one cut.  One.  Every person who played high school basketball on this forum has made that cut, and seen those options open up literally hundreds times.  For most of us, that cut and those passes are muscular memory by now.  It's why teams don't try that b.s. with Nash, Parker, or CP3 - they know that they'll get torched.   

The other option, of course, is this

Noah's a superb player to make that cut.  He's a big target, got good hands, good vision, and if the perimeter is well spaced he just has to beat one man for the dunk.  Surrounded by good perimeter shooters like Gordon, Noc, Deng, and even Gooden, teams would have no choice but to go back to a soft-double, or no double at all, in which case Derrick can go back to killing them. 

It's on VDN.  He's at the helm, manning the wheel.  Teams have adjusted to his offense, the famed GDG (go Derrick go), and now it's up to him to adjust in turn. 

It's a simple play, too.  Any experienced coach would know that. 

 

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Yup,

I agree. Billups said of Rose "He’s already really good. He’s going to be really awesome"

by PricanStar on Nov 24, 2008 9:59 AM CST   0 recs

I agree with the Noah insight.

One his much-touted abilities going into the draft was his ability to pass. He does seem to have good court instincts, the couple times a year he gets to use them.

I’d also like to say that Rose has to learn to stay in the middle of the court. Even a “hard” double in the middle of the court is softer than any double on the sideline. If Rose stays in the middle and we have cutters to the middle, there will be all kinds of options.

by arjoseph on Nov 24, 2008 11:36 AM CST   0 recs

good point;

I missed that w/regard to Rose. He can’t allow himself to get funneled.

It’s one of the hardest things to learn: when confronted with an aggressive double team, the urge is to shrink back. It’s just human. But the thing to do is attack the middle.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 24, 2008 11:55 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

If teams are going to jump a double team at him every time

Might as well have someone else bring the ball up and then run an iso play for Rose.

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 24, 2008 11:58 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Assuming the person

who brings the ball up will actually make that pass…

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by Ugh It Live! on Nov 24, 2008 12:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

This is where Hirich would help out were he not injured.

Alot of times teams do the same hard double on Ben because they want to get the ball out of his hands.

"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"

by Bigred15 on Nov 24, 2008 12:40 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Indeed

i wrote a quick reply that had something to do with this concept, its kind of long but its discussing the strength of having hinrich on the team, however, having him come off as the sixth man which is where i think hinrich can fit perfectly for the rest of his contract on the bulls just because of his skill set. Although i dont think gordon is the answer at sg, i also recognise he is the best sg on the team by far, so it makes sense to start him until that upgrade comes along (much like hinrich was our pg until rose came along) yet having hinrich, a true combo guard, come off the bench will allow him to play within himself, and give the team whatever it needs at the time (if the team needs per. defense, hinrich can go all out on d. If the team needs scoring boosts cuz gordon is off, hinrich can focus on getting good looks, if the team needs a pg cuz rose is out hinrich can efficiently run the offense).

Anyway if your willing to read (like alot of my comments its really long) then feel free to
http://www.blogabull.com/2008/11/23/668970/nuggets-114-bulls-101-bull#10238612

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Nov 24, 2008 2:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That's another solution;

so long as we implement one, I don’t care what it is.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 24, 2008 12:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

NO!

That’s the whole point of their double team: get the ball out of Rose’s hands. Our strategy should not be to avoid the double, it should be to exploit it. In years past we were always searching for a guy who could “draw double teams.” Now we’ve got him.

Look, a lot of this is is just inexperience. As MPG pointed out, Rose hasn’t really had to deal with this. The first time he saw it was in the national championship game, and it worked. Now, he’s seeing it from NBA athletes. Any PG with his talents in body control, keeping defenders off-balance, seeing the court, etc., will learn how to beat a double pretty quickly. He needs a little coaching, but with some basic principles, you’ll be seing him split these things more often. Also, and more importantly, a double in the backcourt above the 3-point line is a gift if you can get pass out of the double and into the middle around the free throw line. It’s not hard; whoever is lingering in the high post waiting to set a pick for Rose just sets a pick for a cutter instead, the cutter cuts to the middle, and now you’ve completely broken down the defense. I trust Rose to be able to get that guy the ball. We just need to get that guy there.

by arjoseph on Nov 24, 2008 4:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noah

got another month in the DogHouse till he gets that THC out of his chest

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by Belize on Nov 24, 2008 1:04 PM CST   0 recs

They were trapping with Gooden's man late in the last game

and Rose dribbled himself into two turnovers. I’m guessing nobody noticed because it wasn’t Ben Gordon.

Of course, even later, they just stopped sending a screener and let Rose go one-on-one.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2008 11:29 AM CST   0 recs

i noticed

and it was still frustrating. that said, he’s still a rookie, and he’ll learn better to be able to pass out of the double team. this isn’t something ben has learned in his 4 previous seasons. :P

by Jaina on Nov 25, 2008 12:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I only got to see the last few mintues

but this is going to be interesting. I’m willing to bet San Antonio’s going to seriously game plan him, considering a) they’re good on D b) Pop’s brilliant.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 25, 2008 12:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

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