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Quick observations of Bulls/Nuggets

Mostly unsubstantiated, since I don't have much time. And there's a game tonight anyway...

Vinny's going small way too often, and sometimes following it up with going suck. He had Rose/Gordon/Hunter/Noc/Gooden for nearly 6 minutes,  then brought back Larry Hughes and Aaron Gray to close it out. So basically re-read this post, replacing 'starting' with 'finishing'.

I thought Gordon and Rose had their best game together. It wasn't merely taking turns, there were spots when they were creating for eachother. That was neat.

It kept them in the game (plus some poor Denver FT shooting), and it's some solace that they hung around against a better team, but this Vinny thing is trending badly...and had been doing so even when they were getting wins. He brought Larry Hughes and Aaron Gray (who had a good stint earlier, but it should've been appreciated and not tested for a reappearance) back into close a game, so he actually thinks those players can be relied on.

Can Thomas and Noah be relied on? meh, not really. But, hell, they lost anyway, and we still know nothing about if they're going to get untracked this season. I already knew Nocioni couldn't set a proper screen and Gray can't defend the basket.

Maybe he's resting the young bigs knowing that more games against good teams will further destroy their confidence...saving them? or something? Or Vinny really has no plan for the season and is just throwing out whatever works. Or what he thought worked.

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The Nuggets shot poorly from the field in the 3rd quarter. However, they had 17 FTA in the same period.

The Bulls shot poorly from the field in the 4th quarter. However, we had NO FTA in the same period.

You either get to the line when you shoot poorly or you rebound the shit out of the basketball. We failed to get the line in the 4th and we -8 in the rebounding department.

What is the purpose of the 3 guards if not to get to the free throw line? You certainly aren’t going to rebound the basketball with 3 guards.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 10:00 AM CST   0 recs

so?

It’s possible to be deficient in talent AND coaching. and criticize both. The only one who gets it doubly good in that scenario is Paxson

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 10:27 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

It's hard not to realize this

My concern is what is our objective?

1) Do we want to win these games? We can.
2) Do we want to develop players, keep games close, yet accept a loss?
3) Are we playing guys to get them noticed as part of a trade?

I have no clue what we’re trying to do right now, but it’s pretty obvious that we are not trying to win these games. We have had opportunities to put away these teams in the 3rd quarter in GSW and DEN and we trotted out lineups that say “keep it close” or “give it away”.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 10:37 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

You're right,

and this has been bothering me as well. Right now it’s just a confused mess on the court. Hughes at sf? Rose at the 2 with Hunter at the 1? Posting up Ben Gordon in crunch time? Noah and Tyrus not playing?

As you point out, this seems to be a pretty divided team. There’s a lot of crap floating around about agendas, grumbling, egos. No apparent strategies on offense, though I liked what he did with defense last night.

It’s amazing they’re as competitive as they are.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 24, 2008 10:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

everything you just mentioned though

falls on the shoulders of the head coach…and they are things that he can control. Why isn’t he doing these things?

by NormVanBeer on Nov 24, 2008 10:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Jackpot:

we have a winner.

I don’t think we should fire VDN. But I think he’s been lost thus far. Being a nice guy isn’t enough, and it’s not appropriate to all situations, especially this one. Sometimes you have to be a hardass. D’Antoni’s an example. He’s benched Curry and Marbury – two talented, highly paid vets – in order to prevent exactly the kind of divisive environment we’re witnessing.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 24, 2008 11:04 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I find watching the Bulls painful.

Last night would have been a really nice win. They do not seem to have the talent to win games against teams that are good. We compete against Mil and Indie but cannot get over the hurdle of Denver, Portland, etc. It is legitimate to ask what the goal of the team is at this point. My guess is that the team has somewhat given up on Tyrus and is not thrilled with Joakim’s conditioning. They certaining are allowing Dr Rose to play. The cricisim of VDN is fair but I get the feeling the lack of talent over-rides the coaching decisions. I could be wrong and we may be looking much better now with D’Antoni at the helm.

by chgobr on Nov 24, 2008 10:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Portland is not that good, they lost to a Phoenix team that we beat soundly

There’s no excuse to lose to any team in this league by almost 50 points, that’s just pathetic. And the Bulls were leading the Nuggets in the 4th until abhorrent coaching doomed the game. I have no faith they will beat Utah tonight because instead of using Tyrus to just blow past Memo (or Kosta Koufos), Aaron Gray will be used for toughness and the Jazz will make a mockery of us.

"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2008 2:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i hope they give ty a good run tonight

but that’s wishful thinking… but okur is such a great matchup for him.

by Jaina on Nov 24, 2008 2:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Seriously the Jazz are a bad defensive team and foul like maniacs

But, given our awesome rotations and whether Deng actually plays or not who the hell will get to the line besides Rose?

"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2008 2:35 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i know...

he had such a great game in the preseason though, maybe he’ll get a chance… though it seems so long ago. :P

by Jaina on Nov 24, 2008 2:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

"Are we playing guys to get them noticed as part of a trade?"

As I mentioned earlier, I still think that ultimately, showcasing is ridiculous….but then again, it worked for NY. The difference is the Knicks actually had few better options than Randolph and Crawford. And the Bulls have Larry Hughes.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 10:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Showcasing, in this case, is absurd.

There’s about a half-decade of Larry Hughes suckage on tape, and it’s not as if people are saying his skills might have declined – they’re saying (rightfully) that he’s as bad as he’s been since his contract year. Showcasing only works when the point is to show that a player can still play. When Larry Hughes is on the court, it only demonstrates what everybody knows. He can’t.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 24, 2008 11:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I was in the process

of posting the exact same comment. Hughes is future expiring contract, nothing more. He should be treated as such.

by drew gooden's facial growth on Nov 24, 2008 11:11 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I thought you were the one

who marveled at the shortsightedness of GMs around the league? Why not showcase the guys we plan on trading – Hughes, Gooden, even TT/Thabo/Noah/BG – and hope that they turn good performances into phone calls to 1-866-4PA-XSON?

My second – and even scarier question – do the players realize they’re being showcased, and thus, trying to sabatoge the team by playing bad on purpose? I’m really only talking about Hughes on this but he might just naturally be god awful.

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 24, 2008 11:25 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hughes thinks he can play

and wants to show it. If anything, if he thought he was being showcased – and I’m sure it’s no secret – he’d want to play as well as possible to get himself into a better situation.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 24, 2008 11:29 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

No way...

Does Hughes play bad on purpose. He made 5 three pointers the other night. He wants to play, just like everyone else.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 11:35 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Matt

is who I was referring to with that 1st comment.

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 24, 2008 11:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

like I said

I’m surprised how shortsided the Clippers can be by acquiring Randolph. But Hughes and Randolph are two different classes of players. Both are malcontents and selfish on the floor…but at least Randolph is good.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 11:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't know that Randolph is a malcontent.

Perhaps just been in trouble with the law.

I understand why the Clips make that deal, because he is another Elton Brand, whom they wanted to keep. Since Brand ditched them over the Summer, they replaced him with another 20/10 guy at the expense of two over the hill rotation players.

Hughes, unlike Randolph, is not a consistent contributor on the court and is not entering his prime. He is an expiring contract next year.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 24, 2008 12:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

There have been plenty of reports out of Portland

That he was a bad seed, getting into fights in practice and all that great stuff. Hughes isn’t a cancer like that, but he’s so bad on the court it makes no difference. At least Randolph gives you a double-double for all the headaches he brings.

"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2008 2:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Because if they aren't all that good...

…then it is just as likely, if not more than likely, that they’ll put up bad games instead of good ones. For Hughes, you’ll have more nights like he did last night than against Golden State. That feeds more into “proving he isn’t good” then “showcasing him”.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 12:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

How many 3's did we launch?

Kinda hard to get to the line when we don’t drive very often.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 11:19 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

a little too much

Hunter for my liking last night. Both him and Hughes took some questionable shots in the 4th. Hughes pretty much single-handedly shot us out of the game.

Where were Tyrus and Noah in the 2nd half?

At one point in the 4th, the line up was Noc, Thabo, Gray, Hunter, and Rose. That same lineup (replace Gray with Gooden) made an appearance early in the 2nd. During both stints, momentum started shifting and bad things started to happen. Even with Rose, this was the lineup of death, especially in the 4th. What was Vinny thinking?

Del: Coach, who should go in?

Vinny: Uhhh, give me the kid, the chucker, and the 3 stiffs please…

by NormVanBeer on Nov 24, 2008 10:23 AM CST   0 recs

I picture Lt. Dike from Band of Brothers

staring blankly as the carnage unfolds all around him.

by drew gooden's facial growth on Nov 24, 2008 10:52 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

It's mostly a Del Negro problem...

Unfortunately, it’s not so much a matter of VDN using the wrong line-ups, although he’s undoubtedly guilty of that as well. It’s more a matter of an unacceptable lack of discipline, and utter failure to create effective strategies (especially offensive).

Virtually everyone knows by now that the Bulls have a terribly flawed team, and need to restructure through trades and draft picks. But given what they have right now, VDN is still underachieving to a stunning degree.

I’ll make a few points to illustrate just how bad the situation is. I haven’t watched all of the games, nor do I chart, or even take notes. But it has been glaringly obvious that when VDN calls a timeout, the Bulls almost invariably screw things up immediately after the time out. Yes, of course poor execution is sometimes to blame, but this is happening far too consistently for execution to be the main problem.

What I am saying is that the play which is used immediately after a time out reflects powerfully on the coach, as he has drawn that specific play up for precisely that moment. And yet time, and time again, VDN’s plays fail miserably. That, to my mind, is very revealing.

More broadly, and of course more importantly, the Bulls offense has looked consistently awful. And I am taking into account the limitations of the team. As I’ve pointed out a few times before, every opposing team knows that Rose is very dangerous, and they are all beginning to adjust by doubling him out high, and having their big men cheat to stop him from getting to the basket. Those are smart, albeit obvious adjustments to make. So what the hell has VDN done in response to this? Virtually nothing, as far as I can tell.

Rose and/or Gordon end up playing one-on-one (or two) around the arc, pick up their dribbles, and usually pass (dangerously) to someone else on the perimeter. It’s a joke.

Look, the only way they will be able to open things up and create some decent offensive opportunities is to either pass down low, or drive. In fact, the few times that they did that last night, you could see the court open up and opportunities appeared. But does VDN stress this? Obviously not, as he doesn’t have a clue. He’d apparently prefer to rely on BG getting hot and playing one-on-one.

Of course one of the other great advantages of either driving or going inside is that you often get fouled. But no, VDN would rather pass the ball around the horn and hope that the Bulls have a hot shooting night.

Now, one other important point is that while Skiles was hardly perfect, VDN completely lacks the very best quality that Skiles brought to the team: the stressing of fundamentals. This current team is embarrassing in that regard, and the coach is obviously the main culprit.

TT will never even reach his modest potential unless he is put on a tight reign. Many of the Bulls are picking up their dribble – including ROSE – when they shouldn’t. Far too often they are leaving their feet and making bad passes as a result. Far too often they are standing around on offense, while Rose or Gordon or Hunter get caught with no one to pass to.

I could go on and on, but the bottom-line is that VDN is not equipped to coach at this level, and his mistakes and lack of strategic preparation are painfully obvious, even in games which the Bulls somehow manage to win.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Nov 24, 2008 10:24 AM CST   2 recs

good points

at one point (in the 4th I think) after a timeout, Ben dribble the ball up, cleared out the side, and tried to post up Carter. Uhh what?! The shot was blocked and a fastbreak ensued.

If this play would have happened during the flow of the game, then I’d chalk it up to a bone-headed play by Ben. But this came immediately after a timeout was called. Who the hell is drawing these things up??

by NormVanBeer on Nov 24, 2008 10:28 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

that was an awful posession

I also wonder how much of the end-of-quarter situations are dictated for Ben, or is just Ben doing it on his own. I recall a quote from Vinny in the past that acknowledged Ben’s proven late-game successes (or something), not acknowledging that it was all before the point god and therefore irrelevant.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 10:33 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I wonder the same...

…I think it’s a little of both.

Though, I would actually like to see a real PLAY being run in those situations. Whether it’s Rose, Ben, Kirk, or whomever…why is the overall consensus to just let one player dribble at the top and be left with the responsibility with breaking down the defense on his own?

Is there some kind of unwritten NBA law that states that each end of quarter sequence must be the same for every team? “Give it to so-and-so and get the hell out of his way!”

If the “one guy dribbles at the top of the key for 10 seconds” play is going to continued to be called, then it HAS to be Rose. No questions asked.

by NormVanBeer on Nov 24, 2008 10:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

tight reign on Thomas

I agree, but the rope shouldn’t be merely minutes. It was pretty disturbing to hear that after Thomas went bananas shooting jumpers that VDN said it was fine. Stressing him to play to his strengths, while tolerating some mistakes…that’d be some actual coaching.

I’ll give Vinny some credit in that they appear to be playing hard. That’s something. But I’m with you in that a lot of times I can’t figure out if they’re running anything on offense. They also seem to be unsure when they’re playing zone defense, or maybe they’re not playing zone and Nocioni just makes it look like they are?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 10:31 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

basically

lineups are not the #1 problem, they’re just the easiest to point out and (you’d think) correct. Vinny’s a first-time coach, so I expect some bumps, but realizing Larry Hughes stinks should’ve been a floor expectation.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 10:35 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Vinny has these silly outs

via the Deng and Hinrich injury. All he’s got to say is “I have two rotation players on the shelf” and he’s in the clear.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 10:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Didn't seem to work for Eddie Jordan...

missing Arenas and Haywood recently

--Torch

by torch on Nov 24, 2008 2:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Here's a real question

Why was Lindsey Hunter able to run Tyrus Thomas through the pick and roll for the easy flush to close the first quarter?

Why can’t Rose and Gordon do this? Is it because the defense doesn’t expect Hunter to make a good pass or they think he’ll pick up his dribble so they can trap him?

TT was 2-2 with 2 dunks and never saw the floor again.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 10:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

on the replay

for the first dunk I believe, you could see Lindsey point with his right hand where he wanted Tyrus to go (veteran savvy or simple basics?). Tyrus went, dunk, 2 points, good play.

You would think they would go over these things in practice.

by NormVanBeer on Nov 24, 2008 10:46 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

We don't

know that they don’t go over them in practice.

by sue369 on Nov 24, 2008 11:20 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I didn't say we did

I said you would THINK that they do…meaning, I hope they do.

That’s not too much to ask of a professional basketball team is it?

by NormVanBeer on Nov 24, 2008 11:34 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

No it's not

too much to ask. But if they do go over them in practice what does that say about the players who don’t bring what they did in practice to the games?

by sue369 on Nov 24, 2008 11:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

that can say a bunch of things

…if most teams did probably 75% of the things they did on the practice floor, they would be annual contenders.

I’m sure the Thunder probably have some spirited practices too…

by NormVanBeer on Nov 24, 2008 12:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So the Bulls

must do only about 35% of the things they do in practice.

by sue369 on Nov 24, 2008 12:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

this play

would solve all the bulls problems and keep me from committing suicide.

why can’t coaches simply tell TT to cut to the hoop when guards drive. It makes no sense to me that no one has said this to him.

by mandoman10 on Nov 24, 2008 1:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think because Rose isn't a good PG yet

he’s just a great basketball player learning to play pg. Hopefully he can learn from Hunter in the few months before Hinrich comes back.

by CJ Bulls on Nov 24, 2008 10:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe when Rose is in, Tyrus is asked to just stay outside and out of the way?

I thought it was strange that all of a sudden he was trolling baseline when receiving those passes from Hunter.

I assume Thomas was lifted not because of this though, but for not getting back on D.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 10:58 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Don't think so

I’ve noticed that Rose tends to drive and then kick out to a jump shooter, even with the collapsing defense leaves an open a man down low. He just needs to make the adjustment.

by drew gooden's facial growth on Nov 24, 2008 11:02 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

THAT LINDSEY HUNTER PASS TO

tyrus thomas is exactly what thomas needs to be doing! cutting to the paint when a guard gets penetration. He will score like 10 points a game just by doing this.

he absolutely got pulled for letting nuggets bigs beat him down court.

by mandoman10 on Nov 24, 2008 1:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

This something Tyrus can bring every night.

He just needs someone to throw him the ball.

The biggest problem with our pick and roll is that our players don’t roll…they play more of a pick and linger…which works okay for Gooden who can knock down 18 footers, but Tyrus and Noah should roll hard to the basket looking for easy buckets.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 24, 2008 1:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I've been saying this for three weeks.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 1:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't matter

They will run the pick and pop with Tyrus till the cows come home, forcing him to either take a bad shot, drive into the lane and get called for a charge, or pass it again. It’s why our offense has already become predicated on getting Rose the ball and clearing space, their other offensive sets are stupid and with the wrong personnel. It also doesn’t help that Deng seemingly has one good offensive game a week and isn’t meshing as well with Rose as I’d like.

"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2008 2:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hunter and Thomas were on the left side of the paint

The Bulls insist on always running the high screen on the right side.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 2:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think that is a real question

Rose seems very inclined to kick out to the perimeter, where we have nothing but guys looking to chuck. That may be the plan, which makes them pretty exclusively a jumpshooting offense. That puts TT in the position of either drifting out to the wing to get a touch occasionally or joining Noah to chase down the misses to contribute.
   Even when the defense is yielding the paint to double on Rose and Gordon, they don’t seem to understand how to make them pay. Is this Vinnie’s version of 7 second offense? Looks like it.

by California Al on Nov 25, 2008 10:12 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Now this is great insight!

Last year the Blazers led the league in efficiency after a timeout, which is a direct reflection on Nate McMillan’s abilities as a coach. He has always been adept at developing young players like Rashard Lewis and Luke Ridenour, who have struggled after he was gone. Now he is developing the Blazer youngsters.

You guys have some young talent. I think you need a coach adept at developing that talent. The short term would be painful, you won’t win as many games. It’s really a long-term payoff.

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Nov 24, 2008 11:53 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Bull...

Efficiency after a timeout isn’t just about coaching. You also need the personel to execute plays. It must be nice to have a billionaire owner willing to get those players for his coach.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 12:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

and pay the coach a boatload

to leave Seattle in the first place.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 12:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I really hope they miss the playoffs this year...

Unless I’m mistaken Nate has only taken a team to the playoffs twice in 8 years anyway.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 12:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'd rather have D'Antoni and Phil Weber.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 12:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

D'Antoni or Thibs from Boston

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 24, 2008 12:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

he's also coached in the West.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 12:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, but...

it is MAINLY about coaching. The main reason that an athletically inferior team can compete with success against better rosters is because the coaching staff figures out creative ways to maximize talent, and take advantage of certain situations. The plays out of timeouts are microcosms of that, and when they are consistently successful, you can bet that the coaches are doing their jobs well. When they are consistently terrible, as has been the case with the Bulls this season, the lion’s share of the blame belongs on VDN’s shoulders.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Nov 24, 2008 12:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Because VDN decided we don't need a center to compete?

Oh yeah, I remember him saying that at his hiring news conference. Deng and Hinrich being hurt are probably his fault too. You are right, VDN should take most of the blame for this debacle.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 12:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Listen doughboy (oops!)...

you are being ridiculous, and distracting from any serious argument that you might have to offer.

Well coached professional athletes are able to execute quite consistently, whether they are overmatched or not. They may not win a particular game, or make a basket on a given play, but they put themselves in a position to do so. The Bulls have had a hard time getting a shot up, let alone making one after timeouts. And if you are watching them closely, you will see a lack of organization, confusion, and poor fundamentals on display with appalling regularity.

Obviously the players deserve some blame, but if you think that VDN is getting anything close to the best from what he has to work with, then you’re not a very good observer.

by badnewsintennisshoes on Nov 24, 2008 1:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

My observation...

We have a ROOKIE coach who has been forced to play without TWO STARTERS and use a ragtag group of one dimensional ROLE PLAYERS in starting and clutch situations daily. In one instance (at the 5) we continually trot out a mismatch on EVERY NIGHT. VDN has been here for 14 games, Pax has had YEARS to craft this retarded roster together. Red Auerbach would be lucky to be 6 and 8 with these jokers.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 3:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Auerbach would know that Hughes shouldn't play

and I don’t mean back when he was alive. Like right now.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 3:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

For 5 lottery picks, a prime Kevin McHale, and the ghost of Len Bias

"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2008 3:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

and Deng's the only starter out.

Hinrich was only a starter by tradition.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 3:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs