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Nuggets 114, Bulls 101: Bulls go small, collapse

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TT, Sef

Why did u ride the bench?

What to do, with Larry Hughe?

by Rudey on Nov 23, 2008 10:55 PM CST   0 recs

WHY DO YOU ALL LOVE NOC??????!!!!!!

What to do, with Larry Hughe?

by Rudey on Nov 23, 2008 10:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Coz he tries.(another issue amongst the posters here)

But after tonight…still, im hoping he will bounce back with a good game.

by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 12:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I want to puke every time VDN says "match-ups"

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Nov 23, 2008 10:55 PM CST   0 recs

VDN's speech

“I didn’t think Tyrus worked out for us much”

he was 2-2 in 4 min, 1 rebound, 1 foul

Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.

by chibullsfan03 on Nov 23, 2008 10:56 PM CST   0 recs

lol

vdn had a lineup with gooden at 5 noc at 4 and rose, gordon, hunter. Which one of Rose, Gordon, or hunter “worked” as a 3. friggin Vinna Da Moron

by robinhood on Nov 23, 2008 11:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That lineup was not that bad.

Actually. They got the Bulls the lead in the fourth. They lost it when they went big with Gray and Hughes.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, well that was by accident. That lineup is a PoS.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Nov 23, 2008 11:25 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

yeah.

Hughes jacks up a runner, missed it, denver scores.

Hughes jacks up a three, missed it, denver scores again.

by PatBull on Nov 23, 2008 11:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well, that's not because they were going big.

That’s because they were playing Hughes.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Nov 24, 2008 12:58 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

guh, did he really say that?

I thought Tyrus had a nice stint, brief as it was. He was camping on the baseline for once and not at the elbow.

He was part of a lineup that was burned on transition D though, so maybe Vinny had enough of that.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2008 11:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Altho TT played better than his last few games.

Is VDN losing his patience and confidence in TT?

by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 12:17 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don’t understand the VDN hate. I’m not going to tell you that he’s Chuck Daly, but he’s not as bad as described in some of these posts. He has an abysmal front court. Tyrus and Noah are career subs. Gray has some post moves but is a total liability on D. Deng didn’t play tonight. In the back court, Thabo and Hughes are jokes. Who’s left? Rose and some spare parts (which includes Gordon given his one-dimensionality). That’s not a real team. Blame Pax for creating this mess.

by Stay Chisel on Nov 23, 2008 10:57 PM CST   0 recs

I blame VDN

for trotting out Hunter, Rose, Gordon, Nocioni, and Gooden in crunch time. It’s a lineup so obviously flawed that, when confronted with size of any kind, it could only fail. And it did. I also blame VDN for caving – instantly – to Hughes when he demanded more playing time. And caving, in fact, to the point that he’s actually playing a bad player out of position. Lastly, I blame him for not installing offensive sets. Injuries, I know, sure. But every team has injuries. They also have sets.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 23, 2008 11:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Except that lineup got the Bulls the lead.

It was not until he went with Gray and Hughes for Noc and Hunter that the Bulls collapsed.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I must be misremembering then,

because I thought they lost the least and then he subbed in Gray/Hughes.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 23, 2008 11:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think it was both.

They got the lead, then lost it on the missed free throw extended possession dunk by Kmart…then VDN subbed in Gray and Hughes. I think.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The Game log

says Vinnie went to the uber small lineup and played ok…. up 99-97
… right up until the Nugs figured it out and replaced a small guy, Balkman, with a big one, Nene.

They then rolled off 5 points pretty quickly with a lineup of
1- Carter vs Hunter?
2- Billups vs Gordon?
3- Melo vs Rose?
4- Martin vs Noc
5- Nene vs Gooden

I have no idea how we defended that lineup, but I don’t see any good options with what we had on the court.

Likewise, I don’t see why Gooden was playing that long… I think he was gassed.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2008 6:57 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

it was a time bomb

they got a lead by hitting some 3s, but the defense was still poor. Granted that’s part of the risk/reward of the small lineup, but it lingered too long, and then bringing back Hughes and Gray just solidifies that VDN actually thinks those players are any good, instead of viewing any stretch of good play by them is some kind of gift that shouldn’t be tempted to ask for again.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2008 11:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'll stand by what I said

because technically Hughes at the 3 is going small too. It’s more accurately ‘going suck’.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2008 11:40 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

We have 2 players that would start on most teams...

In Rose and Deng (who is obviously hurt).

After that we have a mix of players that will almost always be destined to fail if we start trying to matchup head to head with most teams.

We can paint it any color we like, but VDN is playing five card poker with four cards every night. The only way this team will win games is to play risky (ie: usually poor) matchups.

It sucks, I totally agree with you that VDN plays guys out of position, but it’s still Pax’s fault. At least when we had Wallace we knew we had a chance to rebound and play some interior D. Obviously that didn’t work out for more than one season, and we continue to pay for it.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 23, 2008 11:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Bulls had the lead 99-96 with 5 minutes left.

Brought back Hughes and Gray, then the Nuggets went on 18-2 run to close the game. Thank you Larry Hughes for two consecutive wasted possessions, thank you Ben Gordon for dribbling off your leg and thank you defense for failing to guard the simplest screen roll…this was an embarrassing finish to the game, punctuated by allowing Kenyon Martin two offensive rebounds to finish the possession with a three pointer. Terrible.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:02 PM CST   0 recs

It was totally embarrassing.

Things got out of hold just before the substitution, though – the sub you mentioned was VDN’s way of “stopping the bleeding.” I think.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 23, 2008 11:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I think it was 102-99.

When VDN made the sub…so actually a 12-2 run to close with Gray and Hughes. Yuck.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

According to the Recap, the Nuggets ended on an 18-2 run

Felt like one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to watch, but I’m sure that’s an exaggeration.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That must be it.

And yuck is right. Oh well – Utah’s hurting and San Antonio’s old and slow. Rose should kill.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Nov 23, 2008 11:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

AARON GRAY IS NOT A REAL BULL. He's more of a matador letting opposing players get to the rim.

Toro! Toro!

If the big fellow can’t even clog the middle of the lane from letting the enemy through, what can he do?
He’s good at picking up the basketball and inbounding the ball after the opposing team scores, though.

(and yet his Aaron Gray Game at the end of last year magically helped us get Rose. Sigh.)

by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 23, 2008 11:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

There's a law (it's on the books somewhere) that Gray isn't allowed to move his feet

So it’s not really his fault.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Just wondering, have a thank you in your heart for Gordon's very efficient 28 points?

Yeah, I thought not.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

It is unexcusable that TT only played 5 minutes, in conjunction with his recent PT

Remember the preseason promises from VDN about developing players this season? We’re not even two months in and he’s already proving himself to be a big liar.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:05 PM CST   0 recs

But a petal fell tonight

Denver hammered him and he didn’t get the calls, you may say Denver doesn’t play defense, but Martin is one of the dirty players in the NBA. Watch how that first 10 game average is coming down real fast, sure, there is an excuse for everygame, but don’t forget to give the same excuse to another player with an off night. Gooden played great, not word on the board, why don’t we just forfeit if the only player you all like is a rookie? Del Negro is trying everything, and for 2 months that is what you have to do. He needs Rose, but he won’t make it much over 30 minutes a game for the season as a rookie.
Who has? You need Gordon for points, Gooden for muscle, Gray and Noah, those two, I have to side with you all, so that’s why you push Hughes up for he is out rebounding the two of them. Plus has more steals than anyone and has played 7 games, How sad is that? 41% average on shots, same as the last 10 years, who on this team is better by a percentage point or two. PLEASE, don’t say THABO, for then you better look at FT, Steals, Three pointers, any defense. Deng looks like he’s at a funeral and is pissed at the whole team and league, maybe a bad Y coach. Someone says Hughes sucks at forward and he lead the team in scoring the last game and popped 5 three pointers, beautiful. I got to get off this board, I think my teenage girls know more about offense and defense to understand what this coach is doing, when all you want is high scorers. Get the win, forget about who scores alot, has a high average, just get the fn win. Ain’t nothing to trade, nobody wants anything we got, so you go for 10 more wins, get rid of the golden spoon boy and get to old veteran centers that will give you 15 smart minutes a game. National Championships clouded that draft pick.

by Know on Nov 24, 2008 2:19 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

"I got to get off this board"

please? If you need help lemme know.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 8:39 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Fuck Tyrus Thomas

It’s hard to develop a player when he has the basketball IQ of Alf. It’s unfair to the rest of the team to play a guy a certain amount of minutes every night when he makes stupid mistakes and does the same stupid shit every night. If he’s playing well..then leave him in….but if he’s shooting jumpshots like he’s Pippen circa 1993…then fuck him…bench him.

by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Don't sugarcoat it...

Let us know exactly what you think about TT.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 23, 2008 11:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The worst thing he ever did was to work on the jumpshot

Now he thinks he’s a jumpshooter. Tyrus was at his best the second half of his rookie season, and for the most part he was taking the ball to the basket. He obviously made a lot of reckless plays, just like he still does, but some of these jumpshots might as well be turnovers. Jesus, you’d think shooting 30 percent would be enough to convince him that he’s not a jumpshooter.

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because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Nov 23, 2008 11:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Disagree

It’s a skill he absolutely has to be proficient at, but it might take time for him to understand the optimal way for him to play the game, which might be going to the hoop a lot more. In the second half of last season, his assist and turnover numbers were really impressive, and we haven’t seen any of that yet this year.

Being patient is hard, but it’s what is called for right now with respect to TT. If VDN shows that he doesn’t have the requisite patience, then the stated reason for hiring him is proven false and I’m not sure what he brings to the table at all.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:23 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I just think he should have worked more on his strength than on his jumper

He doesn’t have to be a great shooter, he just has to be adequate enough that teams aren’t constantly backing off of him. He was a good enough jumpshooter last season. Obviously he’s not going to continue shooting 30 percent all season, but this team has more than enough jumpshooters. We need someone who can finish down low, but he’s just not strong enough to finish right now.

That’s actually one of the reasons I’ve been harder on Noah than on Thomas, though. Tyrus obviously has spent time working on his jumper in the offseasons (even if the results so far this year don’t reflect it). Noah, on the other hand, apparently spent the offseason working on his bong.

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-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Nov 23, 2008 11:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

VDN showed patience

Remember when tyrus was like 4-38 for a few games. VDN was patient but tyrus showed little improvement is shooting or decisions.

Having a PF that can hit the 17 footer from the elbow is nice, but only when its used right. That shot should only occur as a catch and shoot(not off of a dribble set up by the PF) and typically if they are wide open or at the end of the shot clock. Tyrus dribbles around to his spot and shoots like hes chris mullin or reggie miller. He should learn to finish at the rim first before he tries stretching out his game.
 wt

by Syxx on Nov 23, 2008 11:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

"a few games" is patience?

Thank god I’m not one of your kids.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

if you were my kid...

and you brought home a paper that got an f, id give you the benefit of the doubt and let you work out the kinks. After the next few days of you continuing to bring in f’s youd find yourself grounded and not being to play either.

When you are being paid to do a job, you do it, you learn on the job and then do it, or you learn on the job, struggle for a while and then you find that the boss found someone else thatll do your job.

I like tyrus, but he needs to figure out what player he is. When he was drafted i hoped for a shawn marion-type, then i hoped for a more talented tyson chandler, now id go for a kenyon martin (not saying him just because of his good game tonight. Remeber him with jason kidd? Kidd made him an allstar by creating dunk opportunities. He needs to let rose do that for him).

by Syxx on Nov 23, 2008 11:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Tyrus has never 'flunked' (until perhaps this season)

so your analogy sucks.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2008 11:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

flunked in the 2006 NCAA Qtr finals and has been fluncking ever since!

aside from a few highlight clips…both in college and the NBA.

He’s a very consistent flunker!

man up!

by exult463 on Nov 24, 2008 12:03 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

dunk comp. 2006-07

ha! now thats flunking!

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Nov 24, 2008 12:06 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

man...I need to have another commenter purge

some things…just aren’t fun to discuss anymore. for instance, 60% of the players.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I still don't understand why you won't discuss him...

I realize you think everyone has a prejudice that is impossible to overcome, but honestly Matt you never offer up anything to refute it.

Just an observation.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 12:23 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Discussion:

One person: “Tyrus Thomas has the IQ of a paper bag, only he can’t shoot jumpers like the bag.
Other person: "TT should get playing time so he can grow, it’s not like we have any better alternatives.
One person: "You’re wrong, he’ll never get better!”
Other: “He can get better and worked in the offseason!”
One: “HE WILL SUCK FOREVER”
Other: “NO.”
That’s basically what it boils down to, and there are glimpses of talent – some players take a long time to develop, and right now, IMHO, he’s better than anything else we trot out at the 4, so we may as well play him.
But it’s two sides of an argument that you can’t really make, it’s more of a gut thing.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Nov 24, 2008 1:03 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sure, I guess so...

It just seems that with TT it’s almost like a personal thing.

Honestly I’d be thrilled if he ever develops, but I just don’t see it happening, and I’m not sure a guaranteed 30 minutes of PT a night will ever be the answer for him.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 1:33 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well,

in my opinion it beats a guaranteed 30 minutes given to whoever else we have at the 4. Not like we have All-Stars playing. Really, we have three starters [one of whom is Superstar caliber, one who is borderline All-Star, and one who is sucking this season and I don’t know where to put him] and a bunch of people who should at this point in their career be backups. Gooden is, I suppose, a marginal starter.
TT has never really had consistent minutes for a long time, they’re always taken away after ~6 games. It would be cool to see what he could do with them, even if it was random good play plus a lot of suck.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Nov 24, 2008 1:37 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I guess we'll have to wait and see at what point VDN waives the white flag...

And decides it’s time to develop young players over playing average vets. The over under should be around 30 games in IMO.

The thing is though that I see VDN in the same light as Boylan and Skiles (at the end). He has to know he’s in a no win situation and probably won’t be around to coach this team in the long run. From his perspective I’m sure he thinks he has a better chance of winning with screwball lineups he can control, over playing a guy like TT who might give him 15 pts and 10 rebounds, but could just as easily put the ball into the 300 level trying to hit BG for a breakaway jam and lose games we might win with our crappy “already developed” squad. It’s the kind of thing that probably made Skiles lose his hair in Orlando I’m sure. VDN however has a gorgeous flowing mane. He’d no doubt like to keep it beyond his tenure in Chicago.

If I’m VDN I’m playing the guys that I know suck, but will at least do what I think they will. Keep in mind that while most people around here are convinced VDN has no gameplan whatsoever, he at least thinks he has one I’m sure. Just a thought.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 2:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

That's a pretty good analysis.

VDN can play with guys who suck in the ways he is familiar with and that he can control in some way rather than play guys who suck in the most unexpected way possible.

by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 2:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't know...

This whole team sucks. We really just need a trade for a decent big man.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 11:18 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I thought the over/under was 0.

I was 100% positive this was a rebuilding season. What little did I know!!!

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Analogy perfection

You and i were talking about this season ( remember? VDN? Bad shooting stretch earlier in the season? Feel free to look above to refresh your short term memory )

Id give your reply an F

by Syxx on Nov 24, 2008 12:10 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

sorry bullsbloggger i thought you were jivas

you and i werent conversing prior, but the topic that was being replied to was regarding earlier in the season

I agree talking/the inevitable arguing about most of the roster is tiring. But alas, thats why we are here, to voice our concerns and rejoice in the good.

by Syxx on Nov 24, 2008 12:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Bring Bail Money

Martin is a thug since playing at Cincy, arrested how many times in Denver now?
You don’t want him. Favorite Martin Moment, got his leg broke trying to hurt someone in the Cincy playoffs, when Huggy Bear would unleash him. Backfired bigtime and blew their chance at the title and number one ranking that year.

by Know on Nov 24, 2008 2:26 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sorry but when you're getting paid in the millions...

…and you’re in your 3rd year in the league…I consider it patience that VDN didn’t just shoot TT after the horrendous shooting games.

by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 12:19 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Would you have given up on Chauncey Billups?

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Nov 24, 2008 8:20 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

In hindsight, it's always easier to say say no.

But teams did give up on billups. You know why? Because when you’re on your third year in the league, you are supposed to get better, not worse.

Also, Billups is the exception that proves the rule. For every Billups there is, there are hundreds of players whom none of us can remember anymore who kept on regressing in their third year and washed out of the league.

You can’t point to Billups and say EVERY third year player who make no progress will become just like him.

by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 7:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The supposition was that VDN had more patience than you

Which was one of the traits that made him – supposedly – a coach who would develop players. This has not manifested itself at all.

I understand that you’re frustrated – lord knows I am as well – but if you’re willing to completely give up on a player after ~12 games, after that player was league-average for two full seasons at the ages of 20 and 21, then thank goodness you’re not in a position to make decisions for this basketball team. Or any really important decisions anywhere, I guess.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:20 PM CST to parent up   1 recs

So we should keep giving him 30 mins a game....

just because he’s tyrus thomas? Youthful mistakes are one thing…..but his basketball IQ is on par with someone who just picked up the game of basketball at 17. Until he’s there mentally every night….he should not be guaranteed any minutes.

by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:23 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You're willing to sacrifice the development of one of the most important players on our team

To prove some kind of point?

He’s already proven that he understands what it means to be a professional off the court. Withholding PT as some sort of punishment for not being fully developed doesn’t make any sense at this point – he needs to play in order to get better. It’s a long season, and I guarantee TT plays really well over a long stretch at some point. It’s VDN’s job to maximize that stretch and to see that it’s some sort of permanent development on TT’s part.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

At some point...

you no longer receive entiitlement minutes….and you have to earn your burn on the floor. I don’t see you bitching about Noah receiving a DNP-CD against Golden St. I don’t even mind Tyrus shooting….when open…but to see him jacking up shots…or trying to lead a fast break and hitting Becky Sue in the 3rd row….No….sit his ass on the bench.

by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noah did nothing this offseason but drink and smoke pot

They’re not “entitlement” minutes, they’re development minutes.

It’s a long damn season, and a lot of things will happen over the course of a season that are not imaginable based on the results of the first dozen games. TT will play well and show improvement, but dammit he needs minutes to actually improve.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying deactivate the hyper lad

but he needed a game or two to sit back and relax. he gets out there and tries to save the world. he needs to play within himself. Sometimes taking a game off helps you remember when you need to do to be successful. Hopefully he watched Kenyon Martin very closely tonight.

by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

At some point we need to decide on what we hope to achieve...

Are we here to win games or develop players?

If we aim to win games, then TT, Noah, Thabo and the rest of the youngsters should play only if they can contribute something.

If we want to develop them, then let’’s play TT, Noah and Thabo with Gordon and DRose.

Gooden, Deng and Noce can back them up and rest for next year.

by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 12:23 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

That last line is stupid.

Deng is is still 23 and definitely here for the long haul. If he’s not developing his own game (which I still think he is), he needs to develop his game w/in the new offensive system and alongside Derrick Rose.

Don’t be dumb.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:54 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why can't people just express disagreement...

without personal insults? Must be the way their mothers raised them.

Again, the point of contention is development. Yes, Deng can still develop. But does he need the development minutes more than TT, Thabo or Noah?

Decide already! Are we rebuilding and developing? Are we trying to win?

Awaiting your next personal insult (which Im sure has nothing to do with the topic at hand)

by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 7:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs