Nuggets 114, Bulls 101: Bulls go small, collapse
I'll have more later, this is a mere postgame stub for now.
(It's short like our lineup!)
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TT, Sef
Why did u ride the bench?
What to do, with Larry Hughe?
by Rudey on Nov 23, 2008 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WHY DO YOU ALL LOVE NOC??????!!!!!!
What to do, with Larry Hughe?
by Rudey on Nov 23, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coz he tries.(another issue amongst the posters here)
But after tonight…still, im hoping he will bounce back with a good game.
by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to puke every time VDN says "match-ups"
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Nov 23, 2008 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
VDN's speech
“I didn’t think Tyrus worked out for us much”
he was 2-2 in 4 min, 1 rebound, 1 foul
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 23, 2008 10:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol
vdn had a lineup with gooden at 5 noc at 4 and rose, gordon, hunter. Which one of Rose, Gordon, or hunter “worked” as a 3. friggin Vinna Da Moron
by robinhood on Nov 23, 2008 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That lineup was not that bad.
Actually. They got the Bulls the lead in the fourth. They lost it when they went big with Gray and Hughes.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well that was by accident. That lineup is a PoS.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Nov 23, 2008 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's not because they were going big.
That’s because they were playing Hughes.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Nov 24, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
guh, did he really say that?
I thought Tyrus had a nice stint, brief as it was. He was camping on the baseline for once and not at the elbow.
He was part of a lineup that was burned on transition D though, so maybe Vinny had enough of that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2008 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Altho TT played better than his last few games.
Is VDN losing his patience and confidence in TT?
by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand the VDN hate. I’m not going to tell you that he’s Chuck Daly, but he’s not as bad as described in some of these posts. He has an abysmal front court. Tyrus and Noah are career subs. Gray has some post moves but is a total liability on D. Deng didn’t play tonight. In the back court, Thabo and Hughes are jokes. Who’s left? Rose and some spare parts (which includes Gordon given his one-dimensionality). That’s not a real team. Blame Pax for creating this mess.
by Stay Chisel on Nov 23, 2008 10:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I blame VDN
for trotting out Hunter, Rose, Gordon, Nocioni, and Gooden in crunch time. It’s a lineup so obviously flawed that, when confronted with size of any kind, it could only fail. And it did. I also blame VDN for caving – instantly – to Hughes when he demanded more playing time. And caving, in fact, to the point that he’s actually playing a bad player out of position. Lastly, I blame him for not installing offensive sets. Injuries, I know, sure. But every team has injuries. They also have sets.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 23, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that lineup got the Bulls the lead.
It was not until he went with Gray and Hughes for Noc and Hunter that the Bulls collapsed.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I must be misremembering then,
because I thought they lost the least and then he subbed in Gray/Hughes.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 23, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was both.
They got the lead, then lost it on the missed free throw extended possession dunk by Kmart…then VDN subbed in Gray and Hughes. I think.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Game log
says Vinnie went to the uber small lineup and played ok…. up 99-97
… right up until the Nugs figured it out and replaced a small guy, Balkman, with a big one, Nene.
They then rolled off 5 points pretty quickly with a lineup of
1- Carter vs Hunter?
2- Billups vs Gordon?
3- Melo vs Rose?
4- Martin vs Noc
5- Nene vs Gooden
I have no idea how we defended that lineup, but I don’t see any good options with what we had on the court.
Likewise, I don’t see why Gooden was playing that long… I think he was gassed.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2008 6:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it was a time bomb
they got a lead by hitting some 3s, but the defense was still poor. Granted that’s part of the risk/reward of the small lineup, but it lingered too long, and then bringing back Hughes and Gray just solidifies that VDN actually thinks those players are any good, instead of viewing any stretch of good play by them is some kind of gift that shouldn’t be tempted to ask for again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stand by what I said
because technically Hughes at the 3 is going small too. It’s more accurately ‘going suck’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have 2 players that would start on most teams...
In Rose and Deng (who is obviously hurt).
After that we have a mix of players that will almost always be destined to fail if we start trying to matchup head to head with most teams.
We can paint it any color we like, but VDN is playing five card poker with four cards every night. The only way this team will win games is to play risky (ie: usually poor) matchups.
It sucks, I totally agree with you that VDN plays guys out of position, but it’s still Pax’s fault. At least when we had Wallace we knew we had a chance to rebound and play some interior D. Obviously that didn’t work out for more than one season, and we continue to pay for it.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 23, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls had the lead 99-96 with 5 minutes left.
Brought back Hughes and Gray, then the Nuggets went on 18-2 run to close the game. Thank you Larry Hughes for two consecutive wasted possessions, thank you Ben Gordon for dribbling off your leg and thank you defense for failing to guard the simplest screen roll…this was an embarrassing finish to the game, punctuated by allowing Kenyon Martin two offensive rebounds to finish the possession with a three pointer. Terrible.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was totally embarrassing.
Things got out of hold just before the substitution, though – the sub you mentioned was VDN’s way of “stopping the bleeding.” I think.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 23, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think it was 102-99.
When VDN made the sub…so actually a 12-2 run to close with Gray and Hughes. Yuck.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 23, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
According to the Recap, the Nuggets ended on an 18-2 run
Felt like one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to watch, but I’m sure that’s an exaggeration.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That must be it.
And yuck is right. Oh well – Utah’s hurting and San Antonio’s old and slow. Rose should kill.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 23, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AARON GRAY IS NOT A REAL BULL. He's more of a matador letting opposing players get to the rim.
Toro! Toro!
If the big fellow can’t even clog the middle of the lane from letting the enemy through, what can he do?
He’s good at picking up the basketball and inbounding the ball after the opposing team scores, though.
(and yet his Aaron Gray Game at the end of last year magically helped us get Rose. Sigh.)
by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 23, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a law (it's on the books somewhere) that Gray isn't allowed to move his feet
So it’s not really his fault.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering, have a thank you in your heart for Gordon's very efficient 28 points?
Yeah, I thought not.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is unexcusable that TT only played 5 minutes, in conjunction with his recent PT
Remember the preseason promises from VDN about developing players this season? We’re not even two months in and he’s already proving himself to be a big liar.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rose is developing nicely :)
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 23, 2008 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But a petal fell tonight
Denver hammered him and he didn’t get the calls, you may say Denver doesn’t play defense, but Martin is one of the dirty players in the NBA. Watch how that first 10 game average is coming down real fast, sure, there is an excuse for everygame, but don’t forget to give the same excuse to another player with an off night. Gooden played great, not word on the board, why don’t we just forfeit if the only player you all like is a rookie? Del Negro is trying everything, and for 2 months that is what you have to do. He needs Rose, but he won’t make it much over 30 minutes a game for the season as a rookie.
Who has? You need Gordon for points, Gooden for muscle, Gray and Noah, those two, I have to side with you all, so that’s why you push Hughes up for he is out rebounding the two of them. Plus has more steals than anyone and has played 7 games, How sad is that? 41% average on shots, same as the last 10 years, who on this team is better by a percentage point or two. PLEASE, don’t say THABO, for then you better look at FT, Steals, Three pointers, any defense. Deng looks like he’s at a funeral and is pissed at the whole team and league, maybe a bad Y coach. Someone says Hughes sucks at forward and he lead the team in scoring the last game and popped 5 three pointers, beautiful. I got to get off this board, I think my teenage girls know more about offense and defense to understand what this coach is doing, when all you want is high scorers. Get the win, forget about who scores alot, has a high average, just get the fn win. Ain’t nothing to trade, nobody wants anything we got, so you go for 10 more wins, get rid of the golden spoon boy and get to old veteran centers that will give you 15 smart minutes a game. National Championships clouded that draft pick.
by Know on Nov 24, 2008 2:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I got to get off this board"
please? If you need help lemme know.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Tyrus Thomas
It’s hard to develop a player when he has the basketball IQ of Alf. It’s unfair to the rest of the team to play a guy a certain amount of minutes every night when he makes stupid mistakes and does the same stupid shit every night. If he’s playing well..then leave him in….but if he’s shooting jumpshots like he’s Pippen circa 1993…then fuck him…bench him.
by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't sugarcoat it...
Let us know exactly what you think about TT.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 23, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you by the way.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 23, 2008 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The worst thing he ever did was to work on the jumpshot
Now he thinks he’s a jumpshooter. Tyrus was at his best the second half of his rookie season, and for the most part he was taking the ball to the basket. He obviously made a lot of reckless plays, just like he still does, but some of these jumpshots might as well be turnovers. Jesus, you’d think shooting 30 percent would be enough to convince him that he’s not a jumpshooter.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Nov 23, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
It’s a skill he absolutely has to be proficient at, but it might take time for him to understand the optimal way for him to play the game, which might be going to the hoop a lot more. In the second half of last season, his assist and turnover numbers were really impressive, and we haven’t seen any of that yet this year.
Being patient is hard, but it’s what is called for right now with respect to TT. If VDN shows that he doesn’t have the requisite patience, then the stated reason for hiring him is proven false and I’m not sure what he brings to the table at all.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think he should have worked more on his strength than on his jumper
He doesn’t have to be a great shooter, he just has to be adequate enough that teams aren’t constantly backing off of him. He was a good enough jumpshooter last season. Obviously he’s not going to continue shooting 30 percent all season, but this team has more than enough jumpshooters. We need someone who can finish down low, but he’s just not strong enough to finish right now.
That’s actually one of the reasons I’ve been harder on Noah than on Thomas, though. Tyrus obviously has spent time working on his jumper in the offseasons (even if the results so far this year don’t reflect it). Noah, on the other hand, apparently spent the offseason working on his bong.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Nov 23, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
VDN showed patience
Remember when tyrus was like 4-38 for a few games. VDN was patient but tyrus showed little improvement is shooting or decisions.
Having a PF that can hit the 17 footer from the elbow is nice, but only when its used right. That shot should only occur as a catch and shoot(not off of a dribble set up by the PF) and typically if they are wide open or at the end of the shot clock. Tyrus dribbles around to his spot and shoots like hes chris mullin or reggie miller. He should learn to finish at the rim first before he tries stretching out his game.
wt
by Syxx on Nov 23, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"a few games" is patience?
Thank god I’m not one of your kids.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if you were my kid...
and you brought home a paper that got an f, id give you the benefit of the doubt and let you work out the kinks. After the next few days of you continuing to bring in f’s youd find yourself grounded and not being to play either.
When you are being paid to do a job, you do it, you learn on the job and then do it, or you learn on the job, struggle for a while and then you find that the boss found someone else thatll do your job.
I like tyrus, but he needs to figure out what player he is. When he was drafted i hoped for a shawn marion-type, then i hoped for a more talented tyson chandler, now id go for a kenyon martin (not saying him just because of his good game tonight. Remeber him with jason kidd? Kidd made him an allstar by creating dunk opportunities. He needs to let rose do that for him).
by Syxx on Nov 23, 2008 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus has never 'flunked' (until perhaps this season)
so your analogy sucks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2008 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
flunked in the 2006 NCAA Qtr finals and has been fluncking ever since!
aside from a few highlight clips…both in college and the NBA.
He’s a very consistent flunker!
man up!
by exult463 on Nov 24, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dunk comp. 2006-07
ha! now thats flunking!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Nov 24, 2008 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man...I need to have another commenter purge
some things…just aren’t fun to discuss anymore. for instance, 60% of the players.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't understand why you won't discuss him...
I realize you think everyone has a prejudice that is impossible to overcome, but honestly Matt you never offer up anything to refute it.
Just an observation.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Discussion:
One person: “Tyrus Thomas has the IQ of a paper bag, only he can’t shoot jumpers like the bag.
Other person: "TT should get playing time so he can grow, it’s not like we have any better alternatives.
One person: "You’re wrong, he’ll never get better!”
Other: “He can get better and worked in the offseason!”
One: “HE WILL SUCK FOREVER”
Other: “NO.”
That’s basically what it boils down to, and there are glimpses of talent – some players take a long time to develop, and right now, IMHO, he’s better than anything else we trot out at the 4, so we may as well play him.
But it’s two sides of an argument that you can’t really make, it’s more of a gut thing.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Nov 24, 2008 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, I guess so...
It just seems that with TT it’s almost like a personal thing.
Honestly I’d be thrilled if he ever develops, but I just don’t see it happening, and I’m not sure a guaranteed 30 minutes of PT a night will ever be the answer for him.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 1:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
in my opinion it beats a guaranteed 30 minutes given to whoever else we have at the 4. Not like we have All-Stars playing. Really, we have three starters [one of whom is Superstar caliber, one who is borderline All-Star, and one who is sucking this season and I don’t know where to put him] and a bunch of people who should at this point in their career be backups. Gooden is, I suppose, a marginal starter.
TT has never really had consistent minutes for a long time, they’re always taken away after ~6 games. It would be cool to see what he could do with them, even if it was random good play plus a lot of suck.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Nov 24, 2008 1:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'll have to wait and see at what point VDN waives the white flag...
And decides it’s time to develop young players over playing average vets. The over under should be around 30 games in IMO.
The thing is though that I see VDN in the same light as Boylan and Skiles (at the end). He has to know he’s in a no win situation and probably won’t be around to coach this team in the long run. From his perspective I’m sure he thinks he has a better chance of winning with screwball lineups he can control, over playing a guy like TT who might give him 15 pts and 10 rebounds, but could just as easily put the ball into the 300 level trying to hit BG for a breakaway jam and lose games we might win with our crappy “already developed” squad. It’s the kind of thing that probably made Skiles lose his hair in Orlando I’m sure. VDN however has a gorgeous flowing mane. He’d no doubt like to keep it beyond his tenure in Chicago.
If I’m VDN I’m playing the guys that I know suck, but will at least do what I think they will. Keep in mind that while most people around here are convinced VDN has no gameplan whatsoever, he at least thinks he has one I’m sure. Just a thought.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 2:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty good analysis.
VDN can play with guys who suck in the ways he is familiar with and that he can control in some way rather than play guys who suck in the most unexpected way possible.
by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 2:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
This whole team sucks. We really just need a trade for a decent big man.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the over/under was 0.
I was 100% positive this was a rebuilding season. What little did I know!!!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Analogy perfection
You and i were talking about this season ( remember? VDN? Bad shooting stretch earlier in the season? Feel free to look above to refresh your short term memory )
Id give your reply an F
by Syxx on Nov 24, 2008 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry bullsbloggger i thought you were jivas
you and i werent conversing prior, but the topic that was being replied to was regarding earlier in the season
I agree talking/the inevitable arguing about most of the roster is tiring. But alas, thats why we are here, to voice our concerns and rejoice in the good.
by Syxx on Nov 24, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring Bail Money
Martin is a thug since playing at Cincy, arrested how many times in Denver now?
You don’t want him. Favorite Martin Moment, got his leg broke trying to hurt someone in the Cincy playoffs, when Huggy Bear would unleash him. Backfired bigtime and blew their chance at the title and number one ranking that year.
by Know on Nov 24, 2008 2:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but when you're getting paid in the millions...
…and you’re in your 3rd year in the league…I consider it patience that VDN didn’t just shoot TT after the horrendous shooting games.
by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you have given up on Chauncey Billups?
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Nov 24, 2008 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In hindsight, it's always easier to say say no.
But teams did give up on billups. You know why? Because when you’re on your third year in the league, you are supposed to get better, not worse.
Also, Billups is the exception that proves the rule. For every Billups there is, there are hundreds of players whom none of us can remember anymore who kept on regressing in their third year and washed out of the league.
You can’t point to Billups and say EVERY third year player who make no progress will become just like him.
by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The supposition was that VDN had more patience than you
Which was one of the traits that made him – supposedly – a coach who would develop players. This has not manifested itself at all.
I understand that you’re frustrated – lord knows I am as well – but if you’re willing to completely give up on a player after ~12 games, after that player was league-average for two full seasons at the ages of 20 and 21, then thank goodness you’re not in a position to make decisions for this basketball team. Or any really important decisions anywhere, I guess.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So we should keep giving him 30 mins a game....
just because he’s tyrus thomas? Youthful mistakes are one thing…..but his basketball IQ is on par with someone who just picked up the game of basketball at 17. Until he’s there mentally every night….he should not be guaranteed any minutes.
by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're willing to sacrifice the development of one of the most important players on our team
To prove some kind of point?
He’s already proven that he understands what it means to be a professional off the court. Withholding PT as some sort of punishment for not being fully developed doesn’t make any sense at this point – he needs to play in order to get better. It’s a long season, and I guarantee TT plays really well over a long stretch at some point. It’s VDN’s job to maximize that stretch and to see that it’s some sort of permanent development on TT’s part.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At some point...
you no longer receive entiitlement minutes….and you have to earn your burn on the floor. I don’t see you bitching about Noah receiving a DNP-CD against Golden St. I don’t even mind Tyrus shooting….when open…but to see him jacking up shots…or trying to lead a fast break and hitting Becky Sue in the 3rd row….No….sit his ass on the bench.
by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah did nothing this offseason but drink and smoke pot
They’re not “entitlement” minutes, they’re development minutes.
It’s a long damn season, and a lot of things will happen over the course of a season that are not imaginable based on the results of the first dozen games. TT will play well and show improvement, but dammit he needs minutes to actually improve.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying deactivate the hyper lad
but he needed a game or two to sit back and relax. he gets out there and tries to save the world. he needs to play within himself. Sometimes taking a game off helps you remember when you need to do to be successful. Hopefully he watched Kenyon Martin very closely tonight.
by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At some point we need to decide on what we hope to achieve...
Are we here to win games or develop players?
If we aim to win games, then TT, Noah, Thabo and the rest of the youngsters should play only if they can contribute something.
If we want to develop them, then let’’s play TT, Noah and Thabo with Gordon and DRose.
Gooden, Deng and Noce can back them up and rest for next year.
by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That last line is stupid.
Deng is is still 23 and definitely here for the long haul. If he’s not developing his own game (which I still think he is), he needs to develop his game w/in the new offensive system and alongside Derrick Rose.
Don’t be dumb.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't people just express disagreement...
without personal insults? Must be the way their mothers raised them.
Again, the point of contention is development. Yes, Deng can still develop. But does he need the development minutes more than TT, Thabo or Noah?
Decide already! Are we rebuilding and developing? Are we trying to win?
Awaiting your next personal insult (which Im sure has nothing to do with the topic at hand)
by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Patience is hard
I don’t expect anyone here to be patient with TT, but I damn sure expected VDN to be patient. This hasn’t been the case, and I’m quickly losing my patience with VDN as a result.
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by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not? Who's better?
Nocioni? Whatever little efficiency he has rapidly evaporates after 20 mins, and even that’s too much. Drew Gooden? Who plays C? Noah? Gray? Deng at the PF?
What do they have to lose besides a couple of more games? Big whoop.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to absolve TT
but I couldn’t help but notice that Hunter found TT early for two quick dunks. I’ve seen plenty of drive-and-kick from Rose, but not enough drive-and-dump. Rose pretty much walks on water for me, but there are areas of his game that will improve. And TT’s game will improve along with it.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Nov 23, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the comment that makes you go Mmmm!
man up!
by exult463 on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Hughes ends up starting at the 2 when Deng comes back
How can any of the other players respect VDN when he caves in so embarrassingly to a player who bitches in the papers about playing time? Because VDN caved, we’re going to see players publicly bitching all season. It’s already happening subtly , and it’s not even December.
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by Big D on Nov 23, 2008 11:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
is deng even coming back?
word on the street is that his hammy is fried for life
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 23, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pussy street
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 23, 2008 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
a few observations
first, forgive typos and punctuation for Im typin in ny iphone.
Tyrus needs to take a lesson from kenyon martin. Be active, get blocks, and get dunks.
Gordon demanded the ball from rose the play he dribbled it away at the end. Ben cannot drinble well and his passing decisions are terrible.
Noah looks like he just finished a hit off his bong when he plays. Slow, unresponsive, and he flails the ball away with any little bit of contact.
While i like noc’s play in general, tonight was bad. He did manage to draw a charge or two
Gray looked like a decent backup center.
Is it wrong that im starting to want to see hughes out there over gordon. At least hughes wont dribble it away and he attacks the basket better ( gordon flails like noah with contact). Hughes takes bad shots like gordon, but at least hughes doesnt make rose give him the ball to bring it up the floor. Hughes at least looks like he moves to get his shot (which he would never pass up).
Im so glad we went with rose over beasley. I wanted us to take beasley because he would have been a better fit, but rose is definitely the right choice. Now all we need to do is find another team that overvalues our palyers like we do and get them to trade with us.
Lastly, is it me or does the back court of rose and hunter look the best? Hunter defends well , can handle, differs to rose, and can hit the open 3.
by Syxx on Nov 23, 2008 11:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Is it wrong that im starting to want to see hughes out there over gordon"
In my opinion – yes, that’s wrong.
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You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Nov 23, 2008 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah its bad to want to see hughes
but im getting tired of ben’s game. The worst thing is that gordon’s stat line looks good. People will bring up his points and his 3shooting, but that doesnt show his poor passing and dribbling nor his lackluster D. Im not one of those that thinks BG is a poor defender (he has gotten better), but tonight was a rough night for him.
Ben needs to realise that he is a true 6th man. Parts of game are flawed, but can score in spirts. Being a 6th man is okay for a lot of good players, bobby jackson, kukoc, ginobili(an allstar 6th man), even the great havlichek (sorry for spelling -re iphone) were/ are 6th men. He needs to play with his strengths rather than trying to do too much to make people think you have a complete game.
by Syxx on Nov 23, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
Ben played great tonight on offense. I thought it was the best game him and Rose had together.
They lost because the defense collapsed (though Gordon had some bad defensive moments himself, that’s not on him as it is on the frontcourt),
hell, Gordon is the only reason it was close in the first place. What the hell is wrong with everyone. He can be a 6th man when the Bulls get some better players.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We watched different games...
I thought Ben played a very efficient game tonight….with the exception of that last turnover tonight. At one point in the game he was 4-5FG, 4-4FT with a couple of assist. He played within himself well tonight. I don’t know what Ben did to create such a either you love Ben or you hate Ben chism……but there’s seems to be no middle ground when it come to Ben Gordon.
by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not true
but no one wants to hear neutral comments. im a huge hinrich fan who also believes gordon shud coexist with hinrich on this team but i end up having to defend kirk which creates the misconception im anti gordon
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Nov 24, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but
Look through the game threads especially, and it’s totally crazy. I mean, you’d get the impression that Gordon was the reason we lost last night. Like he shot 4-28 and had 10 turnovers and stabbed a cheerleader at mid-court.
I mean, the guy has his faults, but when I see huge discussion of him and little to no discussion of the fact that Kenyon Martin and Nene were like 30-32 shooting last night I think there’s some lack of perspective.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I've brought it up
this team gives up so many easy baskets it’s unfair to blame any guard. even going small pales in comparison to the points in the paint given up on this road trip. If I knew were to find that stat I’d post it but it’s embarassing. They gave up some 60 to Golden State. Oden and Przybilla had a field day. This team can’t stop anybody at the rim.
by CJ Bulls on Nov 24, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the problem
has to be that we dont have any real centers on this team. Noah is not a center, right now he is more of a power forward, and he is the biggest dude we have. Gray is the only real C, and he is real slow. We need to get a center, which is why miller or kaman and any trade that gets us one of the two should be in affect. Even if we get bosh ones gotta wonder, bosh for all his ability, is still yet another power forward.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Nov 24, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree...
If this team had a center that can extend the defense too (ie: Miller) it would only make life better for Rose.
I think what Matt was saying in another post about TT playing away from the basket when Rose in on the floor has something to do with this as well. We need to create more spacing so our smaller guys can operate and not resort to launching 3’s in the 4th when the game is tied.
Teams know that TT is in a shooting slump and until he shoots his way out of it they will take away the paint. This creates further problems for a guy like Rose whose game is predicated on getting to the rim, but often finds it clogged with guys sagging off their assignments.
We need big guys who take their man away from the rim, or pay for not doing so… Gray and Noah are the exact opposite.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and I did notice that you noticed that as well
So little discussion of those inconvenient facts.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the game threads are naturally supposed to be light on the perspective
but even with that consideration…yeah, it’s a bit much in there.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a 6th man if you have a decent 2-guard
Havlicek was a 6th man because the Celtics had Bob Cousy and Bill Sharman (two Hall of Famers) starting in front of him.
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by Big D on Nov 23, 2008 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very good reply
What makes those other 6th men different from gordon is that they seem okay with theyre backup role. Gordon wants to be a starter and the teams focus (thats coming from his own words- he thinks hes the best palyer and that he thinks he should be treated like it). However gordon is at his best and most productive in a reduced/secondary role. When he becomes the primary role player, he forces things too much (in shot selection, passing, and ball handling).
Every time he does hia playground inside out dribble into a “rhythm” contested shot or when he takes his patented 3 (or the worse, foot on the line 2) in transition ( kirk does this one too) like he did a few times tonight i shake my head. I expect that from hughes, but gordon has been doing this lately too.
by Syxx on Nov 24, 2008 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He probably is better in a secondary role
The problem is that the Bulls don’t have anyone good enough to put him in a secondary role. Starting Hughes, a shitty player, just to bring Gordon off the bench is like shooting yourself in the foot.
Why resort to name calling?
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by Big D on Nov 24, 2008 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be okay with it when the Bulls get someone better than him.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this night to pick on Gordon?
He was 7-13 from the field, 5-7 from 3pt, and 9-9 from the FT line. This was good for 28 points.
Ben Gordon was terrific last night. The mistakes he made weren’t timely, but this was a game where we should have built a big lead when the Nuggets were sitting Melo and Billups in the 2nd half.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If for some reason Dumars didn't exist
and Vinnie Johnson had started in Detroit, would anyone even be commenting about Ben G not starting? It’s like because he has a comparison, everyone wants to throw him into a bench role.
by CJ Bulls on Nov 24, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Every night is the night to pick on Gordon!
Most of these dudes won’t be happy till he’s gone and we’re starting Hughes. Or bring back Thomas Gardner. Either way, folks will say it’s an upgrade from Gordon.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"At least Thomas Gardner is consistent!"
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And what say ye of hinrich
When it comes to hinrich, you are one of “those dudes”
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Nov 24, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
Don’t misunderstand… I won’t be happy until Kirk is gone because we have limited resources and given that we’ve got Rose we simply can’t afford to pay Hinrich what he makes. The resources allocated to him would be better spent somewhere else.
That doesn’t mean I don’t have respect for him as a player. He looked a bit better this year than he did last year, and he’s a starting quality player. In any particular game this year, I’d rather see him out there than Hughes, Thabo or Hunter.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Gordon played well last night
And that’s coming from someone who’s more into Hinrich, Noce and Deng.
by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhm...is Hinrich considered...
a better 2 guard compared to Gordon in terms of playing with DRose?
by PatBull on Nov 24, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
Ive been wondering that myself, and if we are talking about the better two guard, then gordon might be the better option, at least to start. Hinrich is streakier than gordon when it comes to his offense, not that hinrich is a terrible shooter, but if he starts he is defended better, and may force a bad shot. As a result of being a streaky shooter, if hinrich starts off bad, most likely he will be off the rest of the game. D-rose has shown some nice offensive ability, though i dont think its a good idea for him to drive into lanes early in games (the other team has alot of fouls to give, they are gonna be fresher and stronger, and most importantly you dont want rose injured to begin the game). So having gordon start forces the defense to work harder (gordons a threat, rose if left unchecked is a threat, goodens a threat, deng if left unchecked is a threat) and that wears down the other teams starters.
However hinrich i think would be best with most of his minutes coming in the second and third quarters. I think his combo ability, high basketball iq, and generally unselfish play and defense can help keep the bulls “ship” on course, or change course (he is captain kirk).
kirk can fill in for either guard on our team and really hold his own in that position. At pg, he can run any offense, without turning the ball over and keep the pace of the game going. At sg, he can take advantage of tired sgs on the other team on both ends of the court.
With gordon hinrich knows how to set up gordon, he can bring the ball up, take on the better guard on the other team and let gordon do what he needs to, to score, or move the ball and keep the offense moving. He would remain at the top of the key and be fine there because he really can shoot the ball.
With rose hinrich would be like a younger (and better) lindsey hunter, doing a great job of peremeter d, hitting the shots rose sets up for him, and at times setting rose up.
Ideally i think having a rose gordon and hinrich guard rotation would make our backcourt very powerful, especially with the recent developments coming from rose. Whats more, if gordon has an off night, we wont be at such a big loss since hinrich may end up having an on night that same day. In the previous years, hinrich and gordon being on meant a guaranteed win, but now we would just need one of them to be on (in terms of shooting) and that person would be closing out the game with rose.
So is hinrich better than gordon at playing the 2 with rose…no…but he really isnt much worse, and having him as the first guard off the bench allows the bulls to keep moving without missing a beat no matter which guard is hurt, tired, or just resting.
——If all that was too much reading then to summarize, hinrich will bring what hunter brings, but alot better, with alot more oomph, and for a longer period of time
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Nov 24, 2008 4:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot
Michael Cooper and the Immortal Jungle Jim Luskatoff.
by Cannoli on Nov 24, 2008 4:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Even on such a great shooting night?
Prejudices abound!!!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Offensively gray can give you a few minutes
Defensively…..not a chance. He can’t rebound and he cant move his feet to be even an average help defender. God forbid when he’s out there with Gooden…who refuses to play help side D.
by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that last paragraph described kirk
sorry i wont let blogabull 4get about him. if hunter and rose look good, shouldnt kirk and rose? let rose play point and kirk combo guard, shoot open jumpers or set rose up on offense. defensively kirk may be a better defender. kirk shudder still come off the bench though (we need a real 2 guard starting)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Nov 23, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because he sounds like a hell of a player
by Ayeljay54 on Nov 23, 2008 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh he is...
;)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Nov 23, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that last 5 minutes
was excruciating..lack of rebounding really did us in there..way to go small ball!
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
by Othella on Nov 23, 2008 11:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
as bad as i thought we were on the boards, we only got outrebounded by 2
Fast breaks points(29-9) and Points in paint(50-23) are the stats that killed us hardcore.
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 23, 2008 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was referring to only that last stretch
it definitely seemed like they outrebounded us all game, so I’m surprised..then again, they don’t exactly have elite rebounders either
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
by Othella on Nov 23, 2008 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha. didnt even see the bold "the last 5 minutes"
it is late
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 23, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nuggets 4th Quarter Rebounding advantage
Total: +8
We shot 6-23 in the 4th. The Nuggets were 12-20. Want to guess how much the rebounding played a role in that 60% FG shooting for the Nuggets?
Vinny lost me entirely when the Rose-Gordon-Hunter lineup was out there.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh, I lied
too tired, maybe I’ll have something in the morning.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 12:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait
The one thing that really bothered me about the game was that it seemed like we’d played very well with Noah and TT on the court. I was really expecting Noah to have a great rebounding game here. When I checked out the gameflow, it absolutely confirmed my gut feelings. 9 boards in 19 minutes, and we were +7 against their starting lineup. That, of course, puts us -20 while he was sitting. And 43 f*in minutes for Rose???? What the hell did we get Hunter for, to rest our bigs?
The way their playing, I don’t give a damn if Noah ever scores, because noone is trying to get points in the paint, except Hunter and Thabo, who appear hesitant to shoot. If we’re going to try to score from outside and the opposition is countering by running a big out to double Rose and Gordon whenever they get the ball, at least have a rebounder in there to burn them for drifting out. And it looked like TT was positioning himself well on the baseline again, so I don’t get it. I’d have had both of them in there for heavy minutes against Denver. Very discouraging game.
by California Al on Nov 24, 2008 6:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we rid ourselves of the skilled joe smiths and the other like veterans
to force make playing time for the tyrus and noah, now since these don’t produce we are only left to fall back using noc and hughes as forwards with fragile deng in his usual position.
Let’s revisit the Ben Wallace 2 Cleveland trade… we get back hughes and simmons, and give up interior D and a real spot scorer (1st pick Joe Smith). Only because we signed Wallace to do things he never did before, but said he could do just after the signing. “I can score” I haven’t forgot Gooden. Who and what is Simmons, is he really worst than tyrus ? how can that be?
man up!
by exult463 on Nov 24, 2008 12:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
it seems cleveland,like most, best the John Paxson Bulls in that deal also
I’d take Joe Smith & Wallace over Gooden & Hughes, especially if I had to give minutes to the two no-offensive twin thins where one lacks defensive fundamentals and the other is a out of shape pot head.
When we thought Paxson did something good, because we complained of Ben Wallace, who got no love in Chicago. Now Paxson again Inherits the fleeced Zeke GM crown in his absence from the NBA.
Maybe Skiles couldn’t take it no longer? I now wonder?
Will the ground hog paxson surface again this year, or next year to get fleeced again? Or is he off again scouting the next Roy Hibbert, who is average 3.4 pts and 2 rebounds thus far in his rookie year.
A GM with a real gift for keying in on talent?… how many times did he fly over seas to watch Thabo?
We can only wait and see!
man up!
by exult463 on Nov 24, 2008 1:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to the next reply to yourself
complete with lunacy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really missing Joe Smith
Hell. Even PJ Brown.
by gobulls1124 on Nov 24, 2008 1:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
So sad.
So true.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 1:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Omer Asik
a Paxson pick, two second rounders for this scrub. If anybody thinks something good will come from this selection, I have a number 91 Dennis Rodman jersey I purchased from walmart on discount rack, but before I put it on Ebay I’ll sell it to you for $$$$$ and state this could have been a jersey Rodman threw into the crowd after a Bulls victory?
Asik averaging about 7 pts, 50% FT in the EuroLeague, which equals about 0.7pts average in the NBA.
And with a mug like this he would look appropriate on the bench next to Gray, Tyrus and Noah
Omer career high in Euroleague for points and rebounds is 13 and 11, therefore in the NBA if Asik ever makes it, he will make Aaron Gray look like a superStar. This is the Euro league where Deng and Thabo even look bonafide?
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=ulk&pcode=000709
man up!
by exult463 on Nov 24, 2008 1:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deng and Thabo NEVER played in the Euroleague.
So stop with your bullshit. Asik is what he is, a second round pick. He’s no star, will not be.
Also, 7 points in Euroleague, depending on the player, may net you more points in the NBA (shorter games, at 40 minutes, more rotations, zone defense, etc).
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on Nov 24, 2008 4:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With your disdain of how Paxson used that 2nd round pick...
…I’m surprised you’d want him to have two more. No I’m not. You’re a fan of Aaron Gray.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Advice to Paxson
look in the usa, don’t be ruled by selecting any player you can get who played on a final four team without critically reviewing their skills and complete game. Srubs play on winning teams also.
Watch especially how they perform against key competition, the big game and against other great players. If they fold when on highest spot light, just remember the Adam Morrisons, Tyrus Thomases, and the JJ Redick experients, yet if they hold their own fighting to the end, but the team folds then give then a second look and review their other game situations. Don’t watch highlight reels or agent reels.
Watch the entire game. Don’t discount the smaller conferences which landed players like Scottie Pip and Detroit’s Rodney Stuckey.
Be prejudice, you now have D. Rose..and never again draft a guard your height or slightly taller. What was with drafting “PeeOn”? Don’t sly away
from players with an attitude or tough guys whom you traditionally shy away from. Too many guys now on your team don’t care and have no attitude.
Change your attiude, recognize scoring and offensive talent is a skill and anybody can’t just acquire it by taking 500 jump shots in the off season. That type of person might improve his scoring average from 6 pts to 9 pts per game. But players like Gordon are natural scorers and most all have been doing it since High School, if not before. You really can’t teach offensive stardom as you have stated before.
Keep your eyes open, there is no way you shouldn’t have signed, or traded for Walter Herrmann from Bobcats, when he fell out of favor with that scrub coach who coached the Bobcats last year.
Recognized you have messed up royally, get tough. You’ll have to trade some players who you love, you have been asleep and are wasting time, Man up! Clear some salary space dump thoses over paid backups on your roster. Show case Deng, and don’t be afraid to pull the trigger for a big like Okafor, or even Gerald Wallace. Larry Brown is sometimes crazy, allow Deng to take 30 shots when you play the Bobcats, also give Hughes some good burn during that game also.
man up!
by exult463 on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You can't rub shoulders with ND boosters
at Central Arkansas and Indiana-PU(or whatever school George Hill went to).
Actually you might rub shoulders with ND boosters as IPU.
Gar Heard is our GM for all I know.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i've thought about it
and maybe this is a good thing. and gs they went super small and managed to win the game. tonight it backfired…
by Jaina on Nov 24, 2008 7:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sure but...
GS plays ZERO defense, and his no real big men. Even Biedrens is built like a stick. They will only be smaller now that Jamal Crawford is in and Harrington is out… I wish we could play them 10 more times this year.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i mean
it wasn’t that bad for gs, but it’s not something we should be doing too often. we had the midget lineup while melo was playing the 3. seriously wtf.
by Jaina on Nov 24, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right, my mistake...
The problem is that we really only have a midget lineup, especially while Deng is hurt. Our big lineup is always full of matchup problems anyway.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we didn't need all of
hunter, gordon, and rose out there at once. they did get on a 6-0 run when they first entered, but as soon as melo and martin came back in we blew it.
we don’t HAVE to go small. we can have 2 of gooden, tyrus, and noah (or even gray at the C), and have noc get minutes at the 3 instead.
by Jaina on Nov 24, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The personel options on this team is so screwy.
I honestly can’t remember it ever being this bad.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that hughes has been starting over noc
at the 3 is pretty ludicrous.
by Jaina on Nov 24, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny played with Larry
They have that magical bond where only a former teammate can watch another player put up silly shot after silly shot and never get benched.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This dovetails with Gordon's quote on Sam Smith's blog
When the 3 guards are out there they don’t know who they are supposed to guard. It left Melo open for a crucial wide open three in the 4th quarter.
Whatever the 3guards give you offensively they just give it right back defensively. It’s stupid and the coaches that use the strategy should be drawn and quartered.
Nellie ball might be fun, but it doesn’t win you anything in the long run.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if you're not Nellie
The guys that play for Nellie presumably know who they’re supposed to be guarding.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
I kinda looks like little kid streetball to me sometimes. Just guard the closest to you when the other team has the ball. Fun stuff.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could hear Gooden
yelling at someone last night, “Do you know who you have?” He repeated it several times.
by sue369 on Nov 24, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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