Al Harrington to the Knicks. (UPDATE: Randolph to Clippers too?)

Well, I wanted him,

if we could have gotten him as a 2010-friendly Nocioni replacement…

A way I can see this effecting the Bulls is if Crawford is involved. That creates a gap at shooting guard for the Knicks, and makes Larry Hughes – along with his 2010 deal – even more palatable in a swap for Z-bo.

Thanks for the find.

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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 8:34 AM CST 0 recs

I'm sensing something like this as well.

You just KNOW Walsh is targeting Hughes now.

How epic would a Duhon/Hughes starting backcourt be? Unreal.

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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 1:10 PM CST up 0 recs

I would just laugh and laugh

those two would be a backcourt for the ages.

(Then I would cry when D’Antoni actually makes something out of their lame asses, whereas VDN can’t make head or tails out of Gordon and Rose.)

OK, that negativity probably wasn’t necessary. VDN’s just got me fuming.

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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 1:18 PM CST up 0 recs

No.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:22 PM CST up 0 recs

I'll wait to see a better report

Vescey’s saying Rose and Bucher’s saying Crawford…that’s a huge difference.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 8:43 AM CST 0 recs

This is what Hoopshype is reporting

Knicks, Clippers and Warriors are discussing a deal that would send Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph out of New York for Tim Thomas, Cuttino Mobley and Al Harrington, according to Newsday …

by chgobr on Nov 21, 2008 10:02 AM CST up 0 recs

nutty

if the Clippers land Randolph, maybe they would be more serious about dealing Kaman?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 10:59 AM CST up 0 recs

yeah

i can’t imagine they’d keep camby, randolph, and kaman, but i could be wrong.

by Jaina on Nov 21, 2008 11:08 AM CST up 0 recs

they could from a basketball perspective

but I can’t see it salary-wise, especially considering it’s the Clips.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 11:17 AM CST up 0 recs

that's actually what i was referring to

by Jaina on Nov 21, 2008 12:15 PM CST up 0 recs

I already heard a report out here in LA

Saying that Kaman could be coming to Chicago because of this. YAY!

by Option27 on Nov 21, 2008 6:16 PM CST up 0 recs

That would be fantastic.

If Pax is still alive, there should at least be some rumors…right?

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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 6:20 PM CST up 0 recs

OMG

puhlleeeez. Because here’s the thing about 2010 – ain’t no centers there.

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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 8:04 PM CST up 0 recs

so if it was Amare or Bosh

you’d be disappointed?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 8:18 PM CST up 0 recs

a report?

link? quote? anything?

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 8:12 PM CST up 0 recs

Must be great to have a GM that knows how to trade

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 11:07 AM CST 0 recs

Is that a jab at Pax?

Remember that blockbuster trade deadline deal that he pulled off to get us Larry Hughes?

by Syxx on Nov 21, 2008 11:11 AM CST up 0 recs

you want wallace back?

Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.

by chibullsfan03 on Nov 21, 2008 11:16 AM CST up 0 recs

As much as we all hate Larry

Is anyone not happy that we got him instead of Ben? Gooden is at least serviceable. As bad as our frontcourt is, can oyu imagine what it would be like without Gooden? Maybe Griffin could have been our starting center!

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by bennythebull on Nov 21, 2008 11:16 AM CST up 0 recs

Put that trade in the plus column

Gooden and Hughes for Wallace – a no brainer

by chgobr on Nov 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST up 0 recs

Hey if you wanna talk about 2010

Larry is our best trading chip!

by Option27 on Nov 21, 2008 6:24 PM CST up 0 recs

listen, I'm sure Pax is on the trade machine too

it’s just that Jerry is out in Arizona, and Pax would have to fly out there for a good cry first….

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 11:15 AM CST up 0 recs

No 3 way trade?

Id like to get Lee

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by Belize on Nov 21, 2008 11:37 AM CST 0 recs

He's going abaolutely nowhere

Am I drunk at 1 in the afternoon? You betcha.

by NittanyCub on Nov 21, 2008 12:02 PM CST up 0 recs

Cheap beer?

or Guiness? There is no middle ground

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by Belize on Nov 21, 2008 12:41 PM CST up 0 recs

I envy you

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 PM CST up 0 recs

ESPN is saying it's Harrington for Crawford, straight up, interesting.

Doubtful that Jamal will play against the Bulls tonight right?

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 11:45 AM CST 0 recs

yup

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by Belize on Nov 21, 2008 12:41 PM CST up 0 recs

wash

Harrington hasn’t been playing and Crawford won’t clear a physical for a few days.

Plus the Warriors have this stud SG named Anthony Morrow.

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by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 PM CST up 0 recs

Right

Like positions matter to the Warriors. They play Maggette as a PF.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 21, 2008 3:14 PM CST up 0 recs

right now

I would honestly like to get Randolph. Pair him with Noah in the frontcourt. Ahh, look what the Bulls are doing to me…pining for Z-Bo…

by kig on Nov 21, 2008 11:46 AM CST 0 recs

espn confirmation

Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.

by chibullsfan03 on Nov 21, 2008 11:46 AM CST 0 recs

I wonder if the Knicks would have any interst in Larry Hughes now?

Given his contract and their sudden lack of a shooting guard, could be possible.

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 11:51 AM CST 1 recs

i think Pax has to inquire

at the very least. JC was averaging close to 20 for them. Maybe Larry can have a couple of 15 pt nights on this trip, duping Walsh into thinking he still has something left.

This is going to be the best opportunity to get rid of LH this season.

by NormVanBeer on Nov 21, 2008 12:02 PM CST up 0 recs

I think it's possible

unfortunately the only post-2010 salary the Knicks could pawn off are Curry and Randolph, and the Bulls should be interested in neither.

But if the Knicks just want to clear out roster crap and figure at least Hughes will soak up minutes, a deal could be done. Even if it was MalikRose+JeromeJames for Hughes (and Simmons), it’d free up 2009 salary to re-sign Gordon.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 12:55 PM CST up 0 recs

This is the best option IMO.

If we trade Hughes for Curry, though……………………

BLECH

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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 1:11 PM CST up 0 recs

please don't mention curry and the bulls ever again while pax is the GM.

Not gonna happen. Prolly ever. Not willing to risk a heart attact and being sued by currys family for millions. Some kindof illinois law.

by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 21, 2008 3:34 PM CST up 0 recs

completely agree.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:43 PM CST up 0 recs

I think you misunderstood my post

I’d vomit if that happened. Numerous times.

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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 5:13 PM CST up 0 recs

Lee

Maybe now is the right time to make a play for Lee. He’ll be a RFA next summer, so he’s just as much of a post-2010 salary problem as Curry and Randolph, and he seems to me to be about that MLE sort of player we were debating yesterday. Also, with Harrington on board, I really don’t see how they play Lee at all.

So what sort of Hughes+ something for Lee + something can work?

Also, I doubt they’d include Rose’s expiring contract without getting something back, because they’re no longer in Zeke’s completely ignore the luxury tax mode. They might trade it if suitably induced, but I can’t imagine Hughes is suitable inducement.

Maybe Hughes, Tyrus, Thabo for Q Rich, Rose, Lee? That’s accomplish a few things for us:
1. Even if we re-sign Lee for about $6M next year, our net savings off next summer’s cap are another $6.5M or so. That gives us plenty of breathing room to re-sign Gordon if we choose, and perhaps to bring back Gooden if we want/can.

Q Rich wouldn’t be entirely useless either, since he back up the wing spots and make Nocioni that much more expendable. So down the road, we can look to 2010 with

1- Rose
2- Gordon
3- Deng
4- Lee
5- Noah
our 1st rounders and room for a big time FA if we can get one.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 21, 2008 1:52 PM CST up 0 recs

That future frontcourt is not gonna cut it.

Noah is garbage and Lee is a good player, but not a championship caliber pf imo.

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 2:02 PM CST up 0 recs

Err...

… as you may not have read the first time around, the idea is to have that team, two first round picks, and a big name free agent. So if we’re adding Amare, Bosh, or god help us Lebron, I’m going to feel pretty good about that lineup.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 21, 2008 2:10 PM CST up 0 recs

That's what's great and stinks about this team.

Rose, Gordon, Deng and Noah (if he gets back into shape and merely marginally improves on his rookie season) is a solid starting 4. In fact, depending on the reserves and the 5th starter, it’s a 50-win team in a year or two.

You add Bosh to that… or someone else, and you’ve got a championship-caliber team.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST up 0 recs

Come on...

David Lee sucks. Why do so many people post about trading for him? Is it because he’s on the Knicks and we love trading with the Knicks— usually getting the better end of the bargain? Well Isiah is gone and so too are the days of us swindling the Knicks. If we give up anything decent for Lee we’d be the ones getting swindled.

by smash! on Nov 21, 2008 4:11 PM CST up 0 recs

I should add that I'd trade Highes for a bag of chips...

…so if you didn’t throw in TT & Thabo in your suggestion I probably wouldn’t have bothered to disagree.

But I would not throw in TT + Thabo. I haven’t given up on Tyrus yet and I think their trade values could both go up if they were used properly.

by smash! on Nov 21, 2008 4:15 PM CST up 0 recs

I forgot

they also have Jared Jefferies under contract in 2010.

When I first made that comment about taking 2010 money, it was the premise that maybe in exchange for taking someone who was no good, the Bulls could get actual talent. Jefferies would qualify as the ‘no good’ 2010 money, as would someone like Darius Songaila.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 4:20 PM CST up 0 recs

I realize my example makes no sense

as the Knicks have no real talent to trade

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 4:23 PM CST up 0 recs

We could send Hughes to NYK

For Malik Rose and Jerome James. They give up some post ’10 salary, we get rid of Larry Hughes for frontcourt help.

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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 21, 2008 3:16 PM CST up 0 recs

The Knicks would be small

like smaller than the Nellie Ball warriors small.

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by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 3:20 PM CST up 0 recs

No one would ever have any interest in Larry Hughes.

You know why? BECAUSE HE SUCKS. I don’t know why it’s such a hard concept to grasp that the Bulls are stuck with him until the end of next season. No one wants him because he’s piss-poor in shooting, and (seems to be) a clubhouse cancer.

by NittanyCub on Nov 21, 2008 12:05 PM CST up 0 recs

I hear ya, but if Ben Wallce can be traded, ANYONE can be traded.

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 12:12 PM CST up 0 recs

I'd take Wallace back

for Hughes.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 1:31 PM CST up 0 recs

blasphemer

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 1:42 PM CST up 2 recs

Ditto

by chgobr on Nov 21, 2008 1:50 PM CST up 0 recs

It's not about his suckyness

It’s all about the contract.

by J Theory on Nov 21, 2008 12:18 PM CST up 0 recs

OK, so this G State roster currently consists of:

Monta (when healthy), Jamal, S. Jackson, Corey Maggette, Azubuke, that rookie Morrow, Bellinelli. Am I missing someone? Anyway, you get the point. What the hell is going on in Golden State?

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 12:58 PM CST 0 recs

Their roster makes absolutely zero sense

But it’s certainly a FreeDarko wet dream.

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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 1:12 PM CST up 0 recs

I'm feelin' a win tonight. D Rose: 20 pts. 10 ass. minimum

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 1:16 PM CST up 0 recs

according to the mybulls email

both teams have 3 starters that are guards. though i thought s-jack was a sf anyways. but their 4th starter is maggette, so they have 4 guys starting 6’8 and under. even smaller than ours!

though why gray is the projected starter against biedrins is beyond me…

by Jaina on Nov 21, 2008 1:12 PM CST up 0 recs

Is Hughes still listed as a starter?!?!

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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 1:18 PM CST up 0 recs

Hey, maybe G State wants Hughes to play the 5?!!

by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 1:21 PM CST up 1 recs

unfortunately

by Jaina on Nov 21, 2008 1:57 PM CST up 0 recs

Maybe on the first possession he can manage to immediately pass the ball straight to his defender,

leading to a quick score again, just like the Blazers game.

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by bullhockey on Nov 21, 2008 3:25 PM CST up 0 recs