Al Harrington to the Knicks. (UPDATE: Randolph to Clippers too?)
Meh. Not that the Bulls wanted him, but its interesting that no one can agree for whom he is being traded.
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Well, I wanted him,
if we could have gotten him as a 2010-friendly Nocioni replacement…
A way I can see this effecting the Bulls is if Crawford is involved. That creates a gap at shooting guard for the Knicks, and makes Larry Hughes – along with his 2010 deal – even more palatable in a swap for Z-bo.
Thanks for the find.
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 8:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sensing something like this as well.
You just KNOW Walsh is targeting Hughes now.
How epic would a Duhon/Hughes starting backcourt be? Unreal.
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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would just laugh and laugh
those two would be a backcourt for the ages.
(Then I would cry when D’Antoni actually makes something out of their lame asses, whereas VDN can’t make head or tails out of Gordon and Rose.)
OK, that negativity probably wasn’t necessary. VDN’s just got me fuming.
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll wait to see a better report
Vescey’s saying Rose and Bucher’s saying Crawford…that’s a huge difference.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is what Hoopshype is reporting
Knicks, Clippers and Warriors are discussing a deal that would send Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph out of New York for Tim Thomas, Cuttino Mobley and Al Harrington, according to Newsday …
by chgobr on Nov 21, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nutty
if the Clippers land Randolph, maybe they would be more serious about dealing Kaman?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i can’t imagine they’d keep camby, randolph, and kaman, but i could be wrong.
by Jaina on Nov 21, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they could from a basketball perspective
but I can’t see it salary-wise, especially considering it’s the Clips.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I already heard a report out here in LA
Saying that Kaman could be coming to Chicago because of this. YAY!
by Option27 on Nov 21, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be fantastic.
If Pax is still alive, there should at least be some rumors…right?
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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
puhlleeeez. Because here’s the thing about 2010 – ain’t no centers there.
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so if it was Amare or Bosh
you’d be disappointed?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a report?
link? quote? anything?
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Must be great to have a GM that knows how to trade
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is that a jab at Pax?
Remember that blockbuster trade deadline deal that he pulled off to get us Larry Hughes?
by Syxx on Nov 21, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you want wallace back?
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 21, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as we all hate Larry
Is anyone not happy that we got him instead of Ben? Gooden is at least serviceable. As bad as our frontcourt is, can oyu imagine what it would be like without Gooden? Maybe Griffin could have been our starting center!
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by bennythebull on Nov 21, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Put that trade in the plus column
Gooden and Hughes for Wallace – a no brainer
by chgobr on Nov 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey if you wanna talk about 2010
Larry is our best trading chip!
by Option27 on Nov 21, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
listen, I'm sure Pax is on the trade machine too
it’s just that Jerry is out in Arizona, and Pax would have to fly out there for a good cry first….
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No 3 way trade?
Id like to get Lee
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by Belize on Nov 21, 2008 11:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's going abaolutely nowhere
Am I drunk at 1 in the afternoon? You betcha.
by NittanyCub on Nov 21, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheap beer?
or Guiness? There is no middle ground
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by Belize on Nov 21, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I envy you
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by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN is saying it's Harrington for Crawford, straight up, interesting.
Doubtful that Jamal will play against the Bulls tonight right?
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
wash
Harrington hasn’t been playing and Crawford won’t clear a physical for a few days.
Plus the Warriors have this stud SG named Anthony Morrow.
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by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Like positions matter to the Warriors. They play Maggette as a PF.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 21, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right now
I would honestly like to get Randolph. Pair him with Noah in the frontcourt. Ahh, look what the Bulls are doing to me…pining for Z-Bo…
by kig on Nov 21, 2008 11:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
espn confirmation
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 21, 2008 11:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the Knicks would have any interst in Larry Hughes now?
Given his contract and their sudden lack of a shooting guard, could be possible.
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 11:51 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
i think Pax has to inquire
at the very least. JC was averaging close to 20 for them. Maybe Larry can have a couple of 15 pt nights on this trip, duping Walsh into thinking he still has something left.
This is going to be the best opportunity to get rid of LH this season.
by NormVanBeer on Nov 21, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's possible
unfortunately the only post-2010 salary the Knicks could pawn off are Curry and Randolph, and the Bulls should be interested in neither.
But if the Knicks just want to clear out roster crap and figure at least Hughes will soak up minutes, a deal could be done. Even if it was MalikRose+JeromeJames for Hughes (and Simmons), it’d free up 2009 salary to re-sign Gordon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the best option IMO.
If we trade Hughes for Curry, though……………………
BLECH
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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
please don't mention curry and the bulls ever again while pax is the GM.
Not gonna happen. Prolly ever. Not willing to risk a heart attact and being sued by currys family for millions. Some kindof illinois law.
by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 21, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you misunderstood my post
I’d vomit if that happened. Numerous times.
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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lee
Maybe now is the right time to make a play for Lee. He’ll be a RFA next summer, so he’s just as much of a post-2010 salary problem as Curry and Randolph, and he seems to me to be about that MLE sort of player we were debating yesterday. Also, with Harrington on board, I really don’t see how they play Lee at all.
So what sort of Hughes+ something for Lee + something can work?
Also, I doubt they’d include Rose’s expiring contract without getting something back, because they’re no longer in Zeke’s completely ignore the luxury tax mode. They might trade it if suitably induced, but I can’t imagine Hughes is suitable inducement.
Maybe Hughes, Tyrus, Thabo for Q Rich, Rose, Lee? That’s accomplish a few things for us:
1. Even if we re-sign Lee for about $6M next year, our net savings off next summer’s cap are another $6.5M or so. That gives us plenty of breathing room to re-sign Gordon if we choose, and perhaps to bring back Gooden if we want/can.
Q Rich wouldn’t be entirely useless either, since he back up the wing spots and make Nocioni that much more expendable. So down the road, we can look to 2010 with
1- Rose
2- Gordon
3- Deng
4- Lee
5- Noah
our 1st rounders and room for a big time FA if we can get one.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 21, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That future frontcourt is not gonna cut it.
Noah is garbage and Lee is a good player, but not a championship caliber pf imo.
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Err...
… as you may not have read the first time around, the idea is to have that team, two first round picks, and a big name free agent. So if we’re adding Amare, Bosh, or god help us Lebron, I’m going to feel pretty good about that lineup.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 21, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what's great and stinks about this team.
Rose, Gordon, Deng and Noah (if he gets back into shape and merely marginally improves on his rookie season) is a solid starting 4. In fact, depending on the reserves and the 5th starter, it’s a 50-win team in a year or two.
You add Bosh to that… or someone else, and you’ve got a championship-caliber team.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on...
David Lee sucks. Why do so many people post about trading for him? Is it because he’s on the Knicks and we love trading with the Knicks— usually getting the better end of the bargain? Well Isiah is gone and so too are the days of us swindling the Knicks. If we give up anything decent for Lee we’d be the ones getting swindled.
by smash! on Nov 21, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should add that I'd trade Highes for a bag of chips...
…so if you didn’t throw in TT & Thabo in your suggestion I probably wouldn’t have bothered to disagree.
But I would not throw in TT + Thabo. I haven’t given up on Tyrus yet and I think their trade values could both go up if they were used properly.
by smash! on Nov 21, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot
they also have Jared Jefferies under contract in 2010.
When I first made that comment about taking 2010 money, it was the premise that maybe in exchange for taking someone who was no good, the Bulls could get actual talent. Jefferies would qualify as the ‘no good’ 2010 money, as would someone like Darius Songaila.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I realize my example makes no sense
as the Knicks have no real talent to trade
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could send Hughes to NYK
For Malik Rose and Jerome James. They give up some post ’10 salary, we get rid of Larry Hughes for frontcourt help.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 21, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Knicks would be small
like smaller than the Nellie Ball warriors small.
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by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one would ever have any interest in Larry Hughes.
You know why? BECAUSE HE SUCKS. I don’t know why it’s such a hard concept to grasp that the Bulls are stuck with him until the end of next season. No one wants him because he’s piss-poor in shooting, and (seems to be) a clubhouse cancer.
by NittanyCub on Nov 21, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya, but if Ben Wallce can be traded, ANYONE can be traded.
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Wallace back
for Hughes.
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by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
blasphemer
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It's not about his suckyness
It’s all about the contract.
by J Theory on Nov 21, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so this G State roster currently consists of:
Monta (when healthy), Jamal, S. Jackson, Corey Maggette, Azubuke, that rookie Morrow, Bellinelli. Am I missing someone? Anyway, you get the point. What the hell is going on in Golden State?
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 12:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Their roster makes absolutely zero sense
But it’s certainly a FreeDarko wet dream.
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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
according to the mybulls email
both teams have 3 starters that are guards. though i thought s-jack was a sf anyways. but their 4th starter is maggette, so they have 4 guys starting 6’8 and under. even smaller than ours!
though why gray is the projected starter against biedrins is beyond me…
by Jaina on Nov 21, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Hughes still listed as a starter?!?!
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe on the first possession he can manage to immediately pass the ball straight to his defender,
leading to a quick score again, just like the Blazers game.
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by bullhockey on Nov 21, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is deng out tonight? Or is he going to give it a shot like the fantasy people say.
by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 21, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
everywhere i've read
indicates that he is going to try to play. but mybulls still has larry listed.
by Jaina on Nov 21, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gotta put a big body on Biedrins
Aaron can create space, um…I ran out of coach-y points real quick.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a couple of more rumors out there
Knicks, Warriors, Mavs, Clippers
Crawford, Randolph, Harrington, Tim Thomas, Mobley
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55578/20081121/possible_three_way_blockbuster/
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55584/20081121/randolph_to_dallas/
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by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yet sadly we're not involved in any of them
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by Illini15 on Nov 21, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This trade should happen.
Then they can let the Sczcerb go after this season.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or this trade.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or another one, when it's available.
Nocioni for Damon Jones and Tyronn Lue… to the Bucks.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reunite Noce and Skiles, yusssss.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or this one.
Jason Collins and Calvin Booth for Nocioni.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or another one...
Ryan Bowen and Mike James for Nocioni. ???
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by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Oklahoma city.
Joe Smith and Sene for Nocioni.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Sacramento...
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by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't expect any, or even all of these to work.
I do expect Paxson to be trying to do things like this… And I doubt he is.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph to Clips done?
http://www.insidesocal.com/clippers/2008/11/randolph-trade-should-be-done.html
The Clippers have agreed to a trade for New York Knicks forward Zach Randolph in exchange for guard Cuttino Mobley and forward Tim Thomas, a league source told the Daily News Friday afternoon.
(ht: Clips Nation)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well, looks like we won't be able to dump Hughes off on them now
they got Mobley to fill the 2 guard spot.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, we suck :-(
But a Hughes-dump door closes, a Kaman-available window opens?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully we can get Kaman.
He may not be a perfect fit, but he’s better than anything we’ve got right now and he’s still relatively young at 26.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as it doesn't lead to VDN
employing the Twin Towers of Gray and Kaman at the same time in some sort of matchup epiphany that he has. I put the chances of the Bulls acquiring Kaman at 3.824%
by BNeL21 on Nov 21, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lets send back Gray just to be safe
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, they are stacked down low.
by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 21, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats Kavemans contract look like.
by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 21, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
details
08-09: $9,500,000
09-10: $10,400,000
10-11: $11,300,000
11-12: $12,200,000
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by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good but for Noce and filler?
by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 21, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of all the teams out there why would the clips trade Kaman here?
We have nothing of value to offer and a gm that is incapable of getting anything done.
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*fingers crossed*
Camby, Kaman, Randolph
What would we send the Clips? Hughes and Noah? We’ll have to give them something. Noc?
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by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we're getting Kaman,
I’m fine and dandy with sending them Noah. I actually T2 and Kaman would complement each other.
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gooden?
Clips may be interested in cutting some salary, as the below quote from ClipperBlog suggests. Gooden and TT, Noah, or Thabo? Maybe a protected pick? Pax had better be on the phone suggesting ever possible permutation of players that will work.
I can’t believe how badly I want the Bulls to get this guy. It’s pathetic.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have issues if it's Gooden+prospect
because basically you’re trading Ben Gordon for Kaman too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your probably right, but...
We at least still have the option of entering the luxury tax for Gordon if we want him bad enough.
by Jamaicanpi on Nov 21, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was that young and naive once...
:)
I hope it’d happen too. More likely, they’d say “we still have Kirk! he was injured last year so we’re expecting a bounce-back season as the off-guard. Derrick Rose said he was a big help!”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More likely than not.
There’s always the option of trading some of Noc, Kirk, Thabo or Tyrus before the deadline as well.
And realistically, the Clips would probably be interested in some or all of those guys given their newly shallow team. Besides their starting five (which includes a really not ready for prime time looking Eric Gordon), they’ve got no one.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 21, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not if Pax deals Hinrich and Ced Simmons for Raef Lafrentz in a salary dump.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
salary dump to clear space to sign BG*
fixed
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MULTIPLE deals?!?
sloooow down friend. baby steps.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just saying what I would be trying to do if I were Pax
and what I hope he does do. Kirk has no role on this team and doesn’t fit well with Rose because they both handle the ball a lot. Ben does this too, but he’s at least a scorer who can hit open 3’s off of Rose’s penetration to the rim. I just hope the Bulls realize that Ben > Hinrich and he’s YOUNGER.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I completely agree
I’m just suggesting Pax will have trouble pulling the trigger on one deal, let alone two. I make a funny. Or I thought I did anyways…
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was funny and well done. I just brushed it off because I'm
in a bitter mood about Pax and not really in the mood to laugh at him. I’m more in the mood to curse him. Unless he snags Kaman, then I’ll be smiling.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're in complete agreement.
Chris Kaman would make me so happy. I’m not even ashamed to admit it, though I know how stupid it sounds.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man what would happen when Noc and Kaman were on the floor together
That’s a whole lot of funny looking
by Jamaicanpi on Nov 21, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oy
Thats a face that would take some time getting used to seeing night in and night out.
Maybe we can convince him to wear the face mask players with broken noses get. An opaque one.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point,
I wasn’t thinking about that. Too bad, because it seems like easily the most palatable deal, BG aside. I feel like that means Noc has to be the guy then. Noc+prospect+picks. Thats all I got.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hoping:
If Randolph is on his way in, does this mean Kaman is on his way out?
That’s the only possible rationale I can see for obtaining Randolph. The term of Kaman’s salary extends a year longer than Randolph’s, into 2011-2012 . If the Clippers truly believe that they’ll never win with Chris Kaman — and there are reasonable arguments that can be constructed to that effect — then I guess swapping him for, say, a Gerald Wallace, starts to at least make sense. Because a frontcourt rotation at the 4-5 of Kaman, Randolph, and Camby offers no logic, particularly when you consider the first two will make a combined $28.67 in 2010-11, the year you’d like to put a nice offer on the table for the services of someone like Chris Bosh.
I’m not saying I’d approve many deals involving Kaman, but it’s interesting that he’s at least available.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would be the
competition in terms of other teams who need big men? I can’t think of any besides maybe Indiana or Memphis…maybe NJ?
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by Ugh It Live! on Nov 21, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Kaman or Camby;
Kaman’s a better fit, but Camby’s better than anybody we have and has a 2010 deal. Keep hope alive. :)
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now we can say Pax missed something.
Another 20/10 guy was traded…
I didn’t want Randolph and think he is a bad fit for our team. But, he is a young PF with Elton Brand like numbers (and more playoff appearances)
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 21, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"playoff appearances"
who are you, Sam Smith?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's like saying Kendrick Perkins is better than Al Jefferson because Perkins
went to the playoffs last year with Boston and Jefferson had the misfortune of being dealt to the black hole of basketball that is Minnesota.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I just like to point that Elton Brand is a loser.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 21, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you pass the test
Sam would’ve said Pau Gasol.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI: Deng's agent just got hired as assistant to the Kings GM
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2008/11/21/666990/the-stakes-for-jason-levie
First reply.
Can It be a trick to get Luol Deng?
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 3:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha, the Bulls JUST locked Deng up long term, why would they turn around and deal him?
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something about not meeting expectations or something or not playing well enough with rose.
Besides it was just a joke. Sac town won’t take his contract.
by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 21, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they'd take his contract if all they had to give up for him was Brad Miller
Kevin Martin, Deng, the kid from Rider, and Hawes would make a pretty nice core and parts that actually fit together. Imagine that.
by fundamentallysound on Nov 21, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
separate fanshot please
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that is my job here
spreading shame. I have too much of it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess that Randolph trade is official now,
it’s on the crawl on espnnews.
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 21, 2008 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm continually impressed with the shortsightedness of GMs
I always think showcasing is silly because it’s not like GMs look at daily PPG numbers and think a guy’s worth acquiring.
But look at what the Knicks did: Hire D’Antoni, get everyone boffo numbers, and all of a sudden guys like Randolph and Crawford are movable. Unbelievable.
Maybe we should’ve hired that guy for that reason alone. Noc would be averaging 20+ and Paxson’s phone could have been dusted off.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 4:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The resurgence of the Knicks just points out
how poor a job Paxson’s done. Here are Walsh’s moves since inheriting the worst roster in the NBA:
1) Steal D’Antoni from the Bulls, who get his lesser brother, VDN
2) Move Jamal Crawford, who stinks, for a player who stinks less and expires in 2010.
3) Move the non-fitting Z-bo for two players who fit D’Antoni’s system and expire in 2010.
4) Draft a guy who’s hurt (you can’t judge Gallinari yet.)
Aside from the draft pick, these are moves that help the Knicks short-term and long-term. Paxson had so much more to work with, and he’s done so much less.
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is going to make all that much better
when they strike out on all the free agents in 2010.
by BNeL21 on Nov 21, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well for them there's little risk
they’ll suck regardless.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well to be fair
Paxson has done D’Antoni’s job before, which is dumping garbage. He can do that fine.
My issue is that Paxson did not have a clear plan to dump guys who aren’t quite garbage, but are at the least superfluous (I guess the Crawford deal is this type though).
Pax’s remarks about keeping Hinrich just in case he couldn’t sign Gordon were specific to this point. No plan.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
*Walsh's job before
not D’Antoni
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm being too harsh on Pax
because I’ve been frustrated with his inactivity for a year now. Especially when it’s so obvious that the Knicks do have a plan.
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although,
Walsh isn’t working with Pax’s handicaps. It’s just that they’re(the Knicks are) making such good moves…the type moves I’d like the Bulls to be making. It’s frustrating. I know it’ss not the same situation.
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the salary relief down the road
but they just traded their two best players for a guy who was banished in GS, and two over the hill role players from LAC. If they don’t sign one of the big dogs in 2010(likely), these turn around and become terrible moves.
by BNeL21 on Nov 21, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's some well needed perspective.
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by MPG on Nov 21, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least Walsh has a vision of what he wants. He may not achieve it but it is a good plan.
I like Paxson. He has made some good moves. I do not know what our plan is to win a championship. I do know you are more likely to succeed with a vision of what to do than without.
by chgobr on Nov 21, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never thought of it that way but
Seriously well said.
by Option27 on Nov 21, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
New York has...
4 players set to bee under contract in 2010,
Curry
Jeffries
Gallinari
Chandler
~23 million on the books. They basically are going to be able to offer 2 max (or close enough to it) contracts. They will look very appealing to every player in the league with D’Antoni and LeBron at the helm.
by Jamaicanpi on Nov 21, 2008 5:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If they could shed Curry (next plan)...
…they could even re-sign David Lee. If they even care about that.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they got LeBron???
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Top notch comment
I assume you know what I meant, but just in case I’ll elaborate: the point is that it will be like Boston. If they can sign 1 great player, then another might follow. So if they get LeBron, then Bosh or Wade might follow; or vice-versa and it will be easier to convince Wade or LeBron to come when they know that they’ll have a great coach and that there’s the prospect that another amazing player could join them.
by Jamaicanpi on Nov 21, 2008 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Donnie Walsh has a rule: as soon as the Knicks FINALLY start winning games with
their players, it’s time to SHAKE THINGS UP! Knicks have been decent (6-5) this year, and would have killed to have a team with decent chemistry (with good coaching and well chosen lineups) or half as good as this the past few years.
(yeah, I know the Knicks are salary dumping for 2010, but they just got rid of their two best players – Crawford and Randolph – even with the team not sucking so hard..they must be planning to go WAY WAY OVER THE LUXURY TAX in 2010 for at least TWO all-star free agents or they wouldn’t be dumping so much)
Meanwhile, I wonder if D’Antoni will let Tim Thomas even on the floor this season. That gives the Knicks 3 permanently disgruntled players: Starbury, Curry, & Thomas. If Donnie Walsh adds two more toxic waste contracts through trades, they’ll have a whole starting lineup of Bizarro World All-Stars.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 21, 2008 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni didn't have any problem letting Tim Thomas see the floor in Phoenix.
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by Sports2 on Nov 21, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I see Donnie's strategy now. By being AS HORRIBLE AS POSSIBLE over the next
two years, the Knicks should be able to get two top-5 draft picks to surround two 2010 All-Star free agent signings. The fans will put up with it, since they can see sunshine is just around the corner in a couple years. It’s 2010 or bust.
Hell, the Bulls lucked into the 1st draft pick and Derrick Rose; and Miami lucked into the 2nd pick.Why not take that chance instead of keeping two non-All Stars, even if they are his best players? Surround Lebron + All Star Free Agent + 2 good young players.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 21, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Knicks don't have a first round pick in 2010
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by snley on Nov 21, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap, the Utah Jazz have the rights to the 2010 Knicks pick, and its unprotected!
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2008/01/knicks-could-lose-lottery-pick.html
That pick could really be worth something now.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 21, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The result of this trade
Is that two teams are now completely overloaded up front and need guards.
So we ought to be able to get something done with either the Clippers for Kaman or the Knicks for Lee.
Hell, maybe both. Why not think big.
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by Sports2 on Nov 21, 2008 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Clips in need of guards?
Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, Mike Taylor (their D-League draftee), Mardy Collins (from the trade), Al Thornton and Ricky Davis can play there too…
I don’t see them being in desperate need of guards, much less the guards WE have to offer. BG, Kirk, Hughes, Thabo…which one do they need exactly?
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Hughes
for equal or less salary that expires in 2009 or 2010 (except Bum Wallace). Some stiffs riding the pine are perfectly acceptable.
by Granny Waiters on Nov 21, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To the Knicks sure
I just don’t see Sport2’s point applying to the Clips is all.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok nevermind
I dont see what the point in trading hughes for stiffs to ride the bench is at all. we could just as easily sit hughes and he expires in 2010 too. depth at the 4/5 is why you trade hughes. that or contracts expiring this year.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he gets us a solid post big man this year
I’m all for trading him.
If not, let him suffer on the bench till 2010
by Option27 on Nov 21, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because VdN thinks
Hughes is a starter and deserves playing time. :(
The Bulls are not winning the championship this year, so play Rose and BG 36 minutes each, and give Thabo the rest. We know Hughes is not a long term solution for anything, let us find out if Thabo is worth keeping.
by Granny Waiters on Nov 21, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Hughes will make that easy
he’s already whining about PT
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't wanna trade Larry
He’s our biggest contract coming off in 2010!
by Option27 on Nov 21, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al Thorton plays guard.
Like Andres Nocioni plays guard. Badly.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 21, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fine. My statement still stands.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
except that most of the guards you listed suck
Baron is worthwhile and Eric Gordon could be nice, especially paired with Baron. But the rest is like saying we have plenty of centers because of Cedric Simmons and Aaron Gray
by Jamaicanpi on Nov 21, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Nov 21, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jalen Rose reporting....
“Credible sources tell me Chris Bosh and Lebron James are going to New York in 2010. It’s a done deal.”
They later ask him about the Knicks, Rose responds
“Nate Robinson wears #4. Chris Bosh will be wearing #4 for the Knicks in 2010. Quentin Richards wears #23. Lebron James will be wearing #23 for the Knicks in 2010.”
Not that Rose is a top source, but I can tell you watching him on tv he was dead set this is going to happen.
by CJ Bulls on Nov 21, 2008 8:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Derrick Rose will wear my #5 in Chicago"
“so my jerseys will be donated to charity no more!”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls-Kaman
I’ve created a separate thread.
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