Game #13 Preview - Chicago Bulls at Golden State Warriors
[Thanks to arjoseph for today's game preview -ed.]
This should be fun. Golden State play at the second-fastest pace in the Association (behind only the Knickerbockers), scoring 105 points per game. With all the young athletes fielded between the two teams, this one is going to be wild and wily, and certainly "winna-Bull" (yeah, I said it).
The Warriors
GSW enters this game 5-6 with a 2-win streak, standing third in the Pacific. Hollinger's magical formulas project them to win 38 games this year and just miss the playoffs, much like the Bulls (projected to win 40 and just miss the playoffs). In fact, Hollinger's Power Rankings have us sandwiched at 19 and 20 (the Bulls on top), although the Bulls' rating is noticably higher (1.79 higher). All this speaks to the game being competitive.
On the other hand, GSW just beat Portland (despite a 22 pt 10 reb game from Oden), the same team that obliterated us yester Wednesday. (That is, if you believe the game counted.) And they tend to be very good at home, going 81-48 in the Oracle over the past three years.
Last year we split our two games with the Warriors. In the first (a Bulls loss), Baron Davis went off for a career-high 40 pts (and Monta "Don't Call Me Mont-uh" Ellis chipped in 23). In the second (a close Bulls win), Baron was human, Chris Webber was back on the team (and sucked), Biedrins killed us on the boards (compiling 18), and GSW lost despite having three 20-point scorers. Our win was fuelled by Chris Duhon (34 pts, 9 ast) and Joe Smith (27 pts, 8 rebs). Gordon, Hinrich, and Deng didn't play.
Needless to say, things are a bit different now.
GSW has retooled in the wake of the Baron defection and the Monta moped mistake, running their offense through Captain Jack of the Ridiculous Extension. Stephen is also their second-tallest starter (at 6'8") in what is effectively a four-wing lineup, recently featuring undrafted summer-league wonder Anthony Morrow, undrafted 2006-2007 discovery Kelenna Azubuike, foul-drawing savant Corey Maggette, and lone big man Andris "The Rebounder from Riga" Biedrins. Previous starting line-ups have featured C.J. Watson at point instead of Morrow. Key bench players are Ronny "The Predator" Turiaf, who leads the team in blocks and provides them with their only real heft down low, and Brandan Wright (who, if Nellie deigns to put him in the game, is dangerous at both ends of the floor).
We probably won't be seeing any of Al Harrington as he's on his way to the aforementioned Knickerbockers, rumor has it.
The Matchup
Unlike Portland, Golden State doesn't have lots of power in the frontcourt. Turiaf plays sparingly, and Biedrins isn't exactly a monster. This means we shouldn't need to see Gray much, as long as Noah, Gooden, and Tyrus can remember to box out the Latvian ball of energy (who currently leads the league in rebounding, by the by).
Unfortunately, we might "need" to see more of Hughes at SF. If Deng (listed as day-to-day) can't go, we'll be shorthanded at the 3 spot, with only Thabo and Noc. Noc is too slow to guard the athletes GSW will field at the position. As mentioned before, Maggette is adept at drawing fouls and will most likely precipitate some tough roster decisions for Vinny when Thabo gets his third foul sometime in the first half. Who knows, maybe we'll be treated to Cedric Simmons for 25 minutes tonight.
Speaking of fouls, Biedrins has a tendency to foul quite a bit. He's been better this year about early fouls, but if we can force his hand, it might severely impinge on his playing time. Turiaf is no slouch as a back up, though, and I'm surprised he hasn't played more anyway (which I shouldn't be, knowing Nellie's love for small ball).
The keys to this game: (1) Rebounding. If we control the boards, it decreases their opportunities to run and increases our opportunities. Also, it's just generally a good idea not to give the other team second (and third) chances. With a long-distance shooting team like GSW, everyone is going to have to box out and board, as some of those misses will carom outside the paint. (2) Offensive execution. You beat the Warriors by outscoring them. They aren't that oppressive on defense, and they don't really have anyone at the point who can stop Rose. As long as we don't kill ourselves with dumb, rushed, or Larry-Hughes shots, instead attacking the rim and getting to the line, we'll be in this thing.
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Nice Preview
Hopefully they bounce back from that craptastic abomination on Wednesday night. I also hope Paxson is holed up in his office right now with a phone and the ESPN trade machine.
by Dalibored on Nov 21, 2008 3:04 PM CST 0 recs
I just got my mybulls email
It has the same probable starting lineup as last night in it.
If that’s the case I’m not watching it.
by CrashDavis on Nov 21, 2008 3:25 PM CST 0 recs
I'm pretty sure VDN's coaching strategy is:
1) Determine best strategy for success
2) Do the exact opposite
3) …
4) Profit!
by Dalibored on
Nov 21, 2008 3:39 PM CST
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Hughes at SF?
No whammy, no whammy, no whammy, STOP!
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Nov 21, 2008 4:08 PM CST
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Some may disagree, but in my opinion, Hughes is the Bulls top offensive player.
Can anyone on this blog honestly name a more offensive player than Larry Hughes?
He is offensive on so many levels, I don’t think it is necessary to name them.
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by Tyrusmancrush on
Nov 21, 2008 5:46 PM CST
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Not on the Bulls (Thank God)
but JJ Redick is more offensive than Hughes.
by Granny Waiters on
Nov 21, 2008 6:59 PM CST
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I disagree.
Would rather have JJ than Hughes, definitely. He can at least shoot, instead of sucking at everything.
by Prevenge on
Nov 21, 2008 7:22 PM CST
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21% from the field this year
Plus he is more arrogant and whiny than Hughes, and is a Dookie to boot. However his salary is $12M less offensive that Hughes’s.
by Granny Waiters on
Nov 21, 2008 8:16 PM CST
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That in itself
is MORE than reason enough.
Look at his shooting last season and the season before, though – I think his shooting’ll trend back up.
As the Thabo post said, ‘victim of small sample size?’
by Prevenge on
Nov 21, 2008 8:18 PM CST
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yeah, I'm not watching if it's Hughes+Gray
If it’s either Hughes or Gray….I may watch tomorrow on tape or something.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 21, 2008 4:17 PM CST
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Agreed
The Portland-Basketball-Rape that occurred nearly scarred my basketball viewing life and I refuse to be apart of that again. With no big scary Vanilla-Gorilla and Deng healthy, there should be no reason that we see that lineup atrocity again. In fact, I vote that game never be discussed again, kinda like that center and coach we used to have.
by RogersPark Kris on
Nov 21, 2008 5:24 PM CST
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Which coach?
Just so I’m clear…the 1st of 2nd from last year? (hoping it’s the 2nd)
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on
Nov 21, 2008 5:28 PM CST
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(name redacted) and (name redacted)
Skiles was pretty good for a while if you overlook his Duhon mancrush, his Tyrus hate and his lack of development.
Things could be worse.
by stupidgenius on
Nov 21, 2008 8:32 PM CST
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Argh, why didn't it show the names?
Oh, right.
Things could be worse.
by stupidgenius on
Nov 21, 2008 8:32 PM CST
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Like that center and coach we used to have?
Mike Smrek and Stan Albeck?
by Granny Waiters on
Nov 21, 2008 7:03 PM CST
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This should be a fun game to watch
Nice preview by the way.
by tominhawaii on Nov 21, 2008 3:34 PM CST 0 recs
i've always like the jazz's blueprint for beating golden state...
don’t play into their hands by going small, and punish them on the boards. overshadowed in our stunning win at oracle last year by duhons ridiculous night is the fact that boylan was forced to play big since the roster was so depleted… and this led to tyrus absolutely abusing them in the 4th. give noc most of his minutes at the 3 tonight (after all, the alternatives of thabo and hughes arent very appealing), play noah, gooden, and tyrus almost all of the minutes at 4/5, take advantage of the mismatches this lineup creates, and tell noc and the 2 bigs to crash the offensive glass like crazy. and please, for the love of god, no aaron gray tonight.
by Calogero on Nov 21, 2008 3:51 PM CST 0 recs
this is assuming deng is out
vdn so far has loved sitting guys out until they are absolutely 100%, so i’m guessing he’s not going to play
by Calogero on
Nov 21, 2008 3:57 PM CST
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reports have said
that deng’s going to try to play tonight.
by Jaina on
Nov 21, 2008 3:59 PM CST
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interesting
i’d imagine his minutes will be semi-limited though. and im sticking by my theory; don’t fall into golden state’s trap of playing small
by Calogero on
Nov 21, 2008 4:04 PM CST
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Beidriens is prolly gonna kill us, more on boards though. Lets hope that golden state misses a bunch of threes.
by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 21, 2008 4:09 PM CST 0 recs
Yeah, Beidrins will get his.
I think the key will be making sure that his offensive rebounding is curtailed and everyone else’s general rebounding is curtailed.
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 4:12 PM CST
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That was a fabulous preview.
Thank you for the time and energy you put into it
by Jamaicanpi on Nov 21, 2008 5:38 PM CST 0 recs
:)
My pleasure. And thank you everyone for the compliments.
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 8:37 PM CST
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If Gray starts tonight, I'm done with Vinny/Pax
But i don’t see how that’s possible. maybe.
by lampnasty on Nov 21, 2008 5:39 PM CST 0 recs
Tyrus burned Golden State last year
15 points, 5 boards, 2 blocks, 1 steal in 26 minutes. So long as the bulls play up tempo, they should match up well. Though that was also the game when duhon scored 34.
by lampnasty on Nov 21, 2008 5:43 PM CST 0 recs
Didn't he destroy them for a short stretch in the fourth, too?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on
Nov 21, 2008 6:15 PM CST
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yah. thats where most of his buckets came from
one of the few high points from last year
by lampnasty on
Nov 21, 2008 6:27 PM CST
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Go Bulls!
BTW are we on superstation or Local WGN?
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by Belize on Nov 21, 2008 5:51 PM CST 0 recs
I hope in Tyrus's case that Past is Prelude.
and that he remembers what may have been his most outstanding game as a pro when his jump shot was falling, his defense intense and he led the Bulls to a come from behind victory. Since that epic performance he has had too many nightmare games so maybe tonight is the night he starts to turn things around in a positive direction and silence his ever expandinf number of critics, at least for awhile..
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by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 21, 2008 5:53 PM CST 1 recs
Agreed.
Tyrus has a lot of games where it’d be nice to have a coming out party. This is one. :P
by Prevenge on
Nov 21, 2008 6:40 PM CST
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All the deals are being made
PAxson please let yourself be known?
Anyway great preview, lets play angry and burn these warriors.
What to do, with Larry Hughe?
by Rudey on Nov 21, 2008 7:18 PM CST 0 recs
That Morrow
dude is supposed to be a hell of a shooter. It’ll be interesting to see if the Bulls give him any credit and actually guard him, or do what I think they’re going to do and leave him wide open until he makes them pay.
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by Ugh It Live! on Nov 21, 2008 7:57 PM CST 0 recs
I think we need to do a hostile takeover of Golden State's scouting department.
They keep finding steals that went undrafted. We need to get a pack of those tarot cards they’re using or something.
I mean, it’s not actually that big of a stretch. Morrow was apparently a really good shooter in college, too. But nobody cared.
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 8:40 PM CST
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Well since we need someone at the 3 for now
cough*Gary Forbes*cough.
Things could be worse.
by stupidgenius on Nov 21, 2008 8:44 PM CST 0 recs
Are they just starting Hughes
to shut him up?
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by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on Nov 21, 2008 8:59 PM CST 0 recs
Hey, Gary Forbes was awesome in pre-draft camp!
He should have been drafted, but he slipped. He’s not the best player ever, but Anthony Morrow went undrafted, too. The guy should get a chance playing for a team.
Things could be worse.
by stupidgenius on
Nov 21, 2008 9:02 PM CST
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Maybe.
But if he’s unsatisfied with the amount of playing time he’s been getting already, while bricking every shot he’s had over 9 feet, I don’t know if a token start with 8 guaranteed minutes is going to satisfy ol’ Larry. Unless he gets radically more effective soon, I think he might warrant the Marbury treatment soon (and I’d rather have Marbury).
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 9:06 PM CST
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there's this sick disease in the Bulls organization
that refuses to have them acknowledge that Larry Hughes sucks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM CST
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Is it the same disease
that forced them to sign Michael Ruffin to anything but T-shirt cannon operator?
"That was a great play by me."-Champ Bailey
by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on
Nov 21, 2008 9:10 PM CST
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Michael Ruffin is big enough to fight off
James Posey after shooting him with the T-shirt cannon. ;)
by Granny Waiters on
Nov 21, 2008 9:26 PM CST
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Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about me and not Darth Bricker.
Things could be worse.
by stupidgenius on
Nov 21, 2008 9:08 PM CST
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OMFG
Coach Vinny Del Negro said Thabo Sefolosha would start for Deng as the Bulls are going extremely small against the run-and-gun Warriors. Derrick Rose, Ben Gordon, Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden are starting alongside Sefolosha.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 21, 2008 9:06 PM CST 0 recs
oops
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 21, 2008 9:07 PM CST
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So much for going big against them like pretty much EVERYONE decided we should.
Things could be worse.
by stupidgenius on
Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM CST
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at first
I read thabo was starting and I thought “phew hughes is back on the bench.”
boy was I misguided.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 21, 2008 9:10 PM CST
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Sigh.
Me too.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo … ooo … not really worth the effort anymore …
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Nov 21, 2008 9:20 PM CST
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What I wonder is,
what happens when you need a guard off the bench?!
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 21, 2008 9:08 PM CST
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Lindsey Hunter
will play 40 minutes, that’s what.
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by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on
Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM CST
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oh, and,
what the fuck is vinny smoking. this matchup shit is outrageous.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM CST
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wow.
Well everyone, it’s clear that our pal Vinny is in way over his head. Maybe he’ll eventually be a real pro coach, but he isn’t one now.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 21, 2008 9:10 PM CST
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Why aren't his experienced assistants stopping him?
"That was a great play by me."-Champ Bailey
by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on
Nov 21, 2008 9:10 PM CST
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too busy
trying to comprehend the move.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 21, 2008 9:11 PM CST
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WHAT THE FUCK!
So, the smallest starting lineup ever is:
PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Ben Gordon
SF: Larry Hughes
PF: Thabo Sefolosha
C: Drew Gooden
Interesting choice by VDN.
FEE FI FO FUCK WE SUCK!
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by stupidgenius on
Nov 21, 2008 9:13 PM CST
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It would be interesting to know more about that dynamic.
I wonder if the assistants are like his most trusted sources of information, or if they are holding back out of deference, trying to maintain Vinny’s leadership in front of the troops. Do the Bulls have a writer in their midst notating all this stuff for posterity? I hope so.
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 9:13 PM CST
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Maybe they're sabotaging him in hopes of taking his job.
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by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on
Nov 21, 2008 9:14 PM CST
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i thought that was a ludicrous idea
the first time it was suggested, now i’m not so sure… :P
by Jaina on
Nov 21, 2008 9:15 PM CST
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I think they were hired specifically because they wouldn't do that
but maybe it’s inspired the opposite: they’re old and don’t really give a shit if Vinny crashes and burns.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 21, 2008 9:15 PM CST
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Remember that part of the preview
that was about executing on offense? I guess we want a degree of difficulty with that, having two guys in who can’t shoot anywhere (Hughes and Sef) and one guy who can’t consistently play within himself (Gooden).
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 9:11 PM CST
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You're right about Gooden,
but he’s one of the few guys who plays well with Rose. Him and Noc are pretty much it.
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by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on
Nov 21, 2008 9:14 PM CST
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if this is playing good
I’d hate to see him play without Rose.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 21, 2008 9:14 PM CST
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We've seen it, and it still sucks.
However he can occasionally hit that jumper at the top of the key, which is more than you can say about anyone on the roster taller than 6’3.
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by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on
Nov 21, 2008 9:16 PM CST
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I'm totally a Gooden apologist.
I like the guy, and have been a fan for awhile. But he does some pretty boneheaded things sometimes.
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 9:15 PM CST
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not to mention
that they’ve probably never played together before, and several will be in positions they’ve rarely been in.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 21, 2008 9:14 PM CST
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If Gordon is having a hard time deferring to Rose,
it will be interesting to see Hughes. I’m putting the over-under at me screaming at the TV at about 47.5 seconds.
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 9:16 PM CST
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we already saw it LAST GAME
Hughes was terrible and made Rose completely disappear. Unfortunately Vinny didn’t notice. I mean, I knew he didn’t notice it while it was happening, but you’d have thought he saw the tape or something.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 21, 2008 9:18 PM CST
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The only reasons we're seeing so much of Hughes
that I can imagine are (a) Vinny thinks of himself as a “players coach” and doesn’t want to burn bridges until he’s convinced they are unrepairable, or (b) there’s a directive from on high that he needs to be played to increase the chances he’ll get traded.
If you see the guy hit the front of the rim worse than a bad pick-up player, I don’t understand how you keep playing the guy unless there’s an external, artificial reason.
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 9:21 PM CST
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those reasons are still bad
and from all indications, Paxson is notoriously uninvolved with lineups and rotations.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 21, 2008 9:22 PM CST
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True. Thanks for fighting my attempts to salvage any hope I had in VDN.
by arjoseph on
Nov 21, 2008 9:24 PM CST
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::grasping at straws::
it’s possible VDN was hired because Paxson wanted someone he could boss around.
(though he could’ve done that with [name redacted])
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 21, 2008 9:26 PM CST
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It'll be like watching a car accident.
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