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Here's one I kicked around in the old noodle this morning:

My initial premise is this:

  • The Bulls need frontcourt help
  • Trading Thomas and Noah now isn't really smart. They have little value so why give up now?
  • Noc/Hinrich should be dealt with payroll flexibility in mind
  • I believe there is some merit in making a trade just for the sake of it.
  • 3 way trades are fun

Here's the deal:

Bulls (receive Brad Miller, Rasual Butler): Brad Miller is my White Whale (literally, even). I think the Bulls frontcourt needs two things, beyond general competence: girth, and shooting ability. Miller brings both. You can play Brad Miller in the high post, he'll set screens and be able to play pick/pop, not only a good shooter but a great passer. Actually a smart player, unlike Drew Gooden. On defense he can take the largest of centers, and is a bit of a redass. Bulls also get out from under the Nocioni deal, both Miller and Butler expire in 2010.

Kings (receive Drew Gooden, Mike James): Dealing Miller frees up room for Hawes and Thompson, yet they still have a vet coming back. Gooden and James are both expiring contracts.

Hornets (receive Andres Nocioni, Quincy Douby): As always (thanks Pax), the toughest part in any deal is getting a team to take Nocioni's contract. I think the Hornets are a good candidate: they need bench help, and they're not gaming for 2010 (they have their starters all locked up through then). Getting Butler off their payroll helps slightly, at least for 2009. Douby's fallen out of favor with the Kings, so I threw him in as some help for Paul (right now James isn't playing and Devin Brown is getting most of the backup PG mintues)

One question I have is the Kings true desire to deal Miller. Sort of like the Bulls and Hinrich, is salary relief enough? They may want at least a prospect or a draft pick, though without one this deal would actually put them under the cap for this offseason, which may be worth it in itself. If I were the Bulls, I'd consider throwing in a protected 1st (or Thabo), with the luxury tax the Bulls may not even want it anyway.

Another concern is that the Hornets have this expiring contract in James as their only chip. Nocioni helps, but how much? They have Posey as the SF/PF backup. What they really could use is a reserve big man, but Noc can grit his way into fooling people he is one.

I didn't run the exact tax numbers but it looks negligible all around.

Bulls:
Rose/Hunter
Gordon/Hughes
Deng/Butler
Thomas/Noah
Miller

Then in February there are still a lot of options, dealing Hughes for hot garbage, a Hinrich trade, giving up on Thomas and Noah, etc. I'm not saying Miller is the answer to Rose's frontcourt mate of the future, but neither is Chris Kaman, and at least Miller allows some trade/cap flexibility considering the length of his deal.

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Gooden is not the problem, no matter how many times its said here.

Gooden is the one guy we’ve got up front who’s, for the most part, played like a real live NBA player.

The problem isn’t that he’s awful, it’s that he’s the only guy doing it. Even if Miller is marginally better or a marginally better fit, it does very little for us.

What we need is to have two real live NBA players, at least, in our front court.

Also, this deal, in the absence of anything else, would seem to add several million to our cap next year and insure we hit the LT if we re-sign Gordon.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 20, 2008 3:45 PM CST   0 recs

yeah I just thought of the '09 lux tax

punting Noah helps, but isn’t enough.

Gooden is not the problem, but he’s still not especially good (especially on defense) and he actually has value. I think it’s a big upgrade from Gooden to Miller.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 3:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

argh

*punting Noc helps

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 3:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

it's too bad that punting noc

right now actually makes us worse

in the sense that we lose our only other 3-point threat outside BG and also the scary proposition that hughes might start at SF more often. fuck.

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by Illini15 on Nov 20, 2008 3:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

um, Luol Deng?

and if Hughes is already starting ahead of Noc, then what can you do.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 3:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

real talk

Noc > Deng….as far as playing along side Rose. You gotta admit that

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by Belize on Nov 20, 2008 3:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

um, no I don't?

besides, Deng is here for good.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 3:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

::::begins to cut deng’s face from Rookie card

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by Belize on Nov 20, 2008 4:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Deng is better than Noc in practically every statistical measure.

You could also learn this by just watching the game instead of evaluating who sweats more.

by potato0328 on Nov 21, 2008 2:32 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Deng plays very good defense.

Noc plays terrible defense. Please learn it’s more than offense and scary faces.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 20, 2008 4:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Whether you like it or not, Noc has been one of our best players this year

And of course we’d start Deng, I was just thinking Hughes while Deng is out. Which is still awful.

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by Illini15 on Nov 20, 2008 4:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

um, I don't like it

because that doesn’t make Noc better, just the team relatively worse.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 4:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

But taking a guy off the team who is better than most of the other guys on the team

only makes the team worse. Whether they’re good or bad. It’s logic.

We’d probably have a win or two less without Noc this year. At least that’s my guess.

I was all for trading him before the season, but right now it appears he’s worth keeping around given his performance which has improved due to playing off of Derrick.

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by Illini15 on Nov 20, 2008 4:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I hope you're right

in the sense that someone is tricked into thinking Noc is a better player now. He’s making $8m this season and it’s enough that he hits a few threes?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 4:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

Noc might be a useful piece to keep arond as he’s developed chemistry with Rose and can reliably shoot from distance . . . but not at $8M for the next half decade.

We’re not winning championships this year, so giving up a couple wins because of Noc’s shooting isn’t really a big deal anyway, and his contract and age means he’s only going to hamstring future chances of getting better. We need to deal him sooner rather than later.

by arjoseph on Nov 20, 2008 5:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'd love to make this argument Matt

New Orleans is on the hook for 77 million next season, and adding Noc will only increase that bill.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2008 1:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

But not by too much

So I guess they’ll be on the hook either way for most of that money. They probably were hoping that BRI would go up, but I heavily doubt that at this point.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2008 2:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

and I agree that they need 2 real live frontcourt players

it’s still in the Bulls best interest to hope Noah and Tyrus pan out. Unless we can go back in time and re-do some drafts. It’s hard to find good young big men.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 3:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

From the other thread...

… you might be getting somewhere if you replace an expensive guy like Miller with a cheaper guy like Pryzbilla.

If we could swing something like Kirk+Noc for Raef+Pryzbilla, then we can probably re-sign Gordon this summer and still open up cap space in 2010.

We might even be able to extend Gooden’s contract for one more season, which I wouldn’t be opposed to, because if we go into 2009/2010 with a Przybilla, Noah starting frontcourt and Tyrus coming off the bench behind them, I suggest we commit mass suicide before the season starts.

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by Sports2 on Nov 20, 2008 4:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

We would go into 2010 in that scenario

with
Rose
Gordon
Deng
Noah
Przybilla
and our two picks. Tyrus is the RFA we can re-sign if he crawls out of the mental hole he’s in.

That’s not so bad. It looks pretty offensively starved up front

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 20, 2008 4:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't think the Blazers deal Przybilla

and kill their capspace in one fell swoop.

and Gooden’s not accepting a one-year contract.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 4:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Anyone else out there?

Zaza? Battie? Kurt Thomas?

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by Sports2 on Nov 20, 2008 4:40 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hope Michael Ruffin's ankle heals??

Could take on a Thunder big man. gag. I dunno.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 4:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Not the total answer, but Collison is decent.

Certainly better than Battie, Zaza and Kurt Thomas (old, slow).

by Unrealcity on Nov 22, 2008 12:27 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gooden is not the problem but our Bimbo Vinnie is

If Gooden started at power forward and only played power forward I could live with him playing out his contract this year. Although even at that he is just wasting minutes that we could use to evaluate Thomas more completely before realizing that he is a bust and dumping him. The problem with keeping Gooden around is that Vinnie can’t help himself from playing Gooden at center, where he is a disaster especially on defense.

Until we get a better option, Noah and Gray should play all the minutes at center. We still need to find out about both of them too. I still believe that if Noah got his minutes, at least 30 to 36 per night, he would eventually get his act toghether and average a double double(although barely).

Miller might be worth the money for this year and next, but I’m not convince that Nocioni is worth only a salary dump, Hinrich either for that matter, who has been mentioned in Miller trades straight up.

by BigWay on Nov 20, 2008 6:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why would we want Gooden & James?

James might be useful to us since we’re a wee bit short at SG/SF right now but the Kings have no intention of giving up Miller (don’t believe the Haters) until next year and only if they get some real return.
 If you think we’re out to just ‘shed’ B52s contract, you’re mistaken.

Now Mikki Moore, Kenny Thomas or Sheldon Williams? We can talk about something there. Seriously.

Hey Mikki might really be a useful stopgap, he’s a GREAT team guy and he has a 2 mil buyout next year if you find something better. Sheldon is a tank with all the attributes that come with that, slow, immovable – but a good rebounder and decent paintD guy better suited in the East. Kenny has no game left.

Power forwards, we got (finally!), we need a spot-up shooter willing to come off the bench.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 2:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Brad runs the half court

offense like no big man around.

He certainly has some flaws though, he can’t pound in there with DHoward – though he’ll try.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 2:47 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Spot up shooter willing to come off the bench? You seek Andres Nocioni.

And you an have him for Moore and Williams. Offer accepted. Thank you, come again.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 21, 2008 6:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

After yesterday

I agree….let’s get Brad Miller….let’s do any trade just to break up the Gooden-Hughes-Tyrus Thomas-Joakim Noah groupings, two of them must go, and at this point any two (with the Cleveland crap preferrable of course but less likely to be traded).

by majoyenrac on Nov 20, 2008 3:50 PM CST   0 recs

What would the Kings want for Miller?

They’d want to get rid of salary, which we can’t give them without going into the LT now or kissing Gordon (or a replacement) goodbye.

The only way I can figure around this is to give them a deal that’s so good they can’t say no. But I don’t see how we do that either.

I mean, I’m sure they’d do something like Hinrich + Noah for Miller, but that’s probably more than I’d give up. Hinrich + Thomas for Miller… maybe. I’m pretty down on Tyrus.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 20, 2008 4:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

No Hinrich

unless Beno goes the other way. Even then, Petrie won’t do it while he’s damaged goods. Noah might be a serviceable ‘energy’ back-up that could be interesting, but face it, the guy will never score much.

There were a LOT of good young athletic bigs last year in the draft, you should have gotten a late 1 and grabbed one of them…..

Next year doesn’t look as good in that area.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 2:52 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

we did in the 2nd

omer asik…but he is injured and playing in a different continent…probably for the next few years(anyone have an update on him?).

by Sambossanova on Nov 21, 2008 4:53 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'd be willing to consider any trade

that helps the front court out.

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 20, 2008 3:53 PM CST   0 recs

i don't know why the hornets do this though

if they hadn’t picked up posey, i’d see this more likely.

by Jaina on Nov 20, 2008 3:54 PM CST   0 recs

agreed.

Hornets are 5-5, so maybe they just feel like they need help. Their bench is very thin. Plus think of all those nice things you heard about Noc and tell it to an influential Hornets person.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 3:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

ruh roh

Hornets fans are worried about their defense, especially shoddy from the perimeter.

(um, but Noc will foul you if your team needs a spark and you’re down fourteen!)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 4:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why would NO want

Noce (and since when did he drop the “e” from his nickname?) for $7M per year for the next 3 years when they already have Peja for almost $14M in 2009 and $14M (option) in 2010? Is it the hair?

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by Ugh It Live! on Nov 20, 2008 4:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

transfer to them whatever reasons he's in Chicago

when Luol Deng is signed for $12m

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 4:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So just

call Noce (I’m sticking to the original moniker) a ‘slasher/dribble-driver/energy guy’?

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by Ugh It Live! on Nov 20, 2008 4:24 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noc > Noce

There has never been and there never will be an ‘e’ in his name.

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by Illini15 on Nov 20, 2008 4:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

oh Noc u dih-int!

Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.

by chibullsfan03 on Nov 20, 2008 7:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i admit

i consistently type both versions because i never know which one is the real one…but then i always ask myself…“why do I even care?”

by NormVanBeer on Nov 20, 2008 8:55 PM CST to parent up   1 recs

Good question.

I find myself asking, “why is it Noce if he has no ‘E’ in his name and if it is pronounced "No-ch”? But you’re right. I spend way too much time wondering about things that don’t matter when it comes to the Bulls.

by Unrealcity on Nov 22, 2008 12:35 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

that's why i've always spelled it noc.

that’s what made the most sense to me lol!

by Jaina on Nov 22, 2008 1:05 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Nocioni would be valuable to a contending team

like the Hornets, and right now they appear to need some help, and their bench was a problem even last season.

by BigWay on Nov 20, 2008 6:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Brinng back brad?

I like Brad, but your getting nothing really for Noc. Not bad idea tho

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by Belize on Nov 20, 2008 3:54 PM CST   0 recs

getting nothing would be great

I honestly think days and nights of what teams would actually want Nocioni with that contract.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 3:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

he would be awe-some

with the spurs…him and ginobli would be scary.

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by Belize on Nov 20, 2008 3:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Or the rockets

He and Scola can play well together.

by majoyenrac on Nov 20, 2008 4:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

with. that. contract.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 4:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of contracts

I feel hustled. you know – subpar player (*cough cough deng*) cry like a baby about his worth then shows that he’s actually worth 1/2 as much. I wish we had rebates or coupons with contracts. We would have free gatorade by now

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by Belize on Nov 20, 2008 4:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You're worthless.

Or… Your comments are worthless. Either/or

Deng is not horrible. Stop it.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 20, 2008 4:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The Deng hate is out of control

He’s about the least of this team’s worries right now. Besides Rose, of course.

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by Illini15 on Nov 20, 2008 4:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think people would stop hating

if we were forced to start Noc for some reason. Watching him chase 3s around on defense, I’m pretty sure most people would realize that Deng brings more than just a mid-range jump shot to the team. Sure, he’s not a spectacular, ‘shut-down’ type defender, but he does a pretty solid job for the most part.

There’s a lot more players to bring the hate on right now, at least much moreso than Deng.

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by Illini15 on Nov 20, 2008 5:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

exactly

i’m so sick of people around here confusing Noc’s tough-guy faces, flailing, flopping, and fist-pumping for good defense and “trying”. Noc is the worst defender on the team (when Gooden isn’t being spacey)…yet it’s always the easy thing to do to pick on BG, so people do it.

Deng is light years ahead of Noc…in every way, shape, and form

by NormVanBeer on Nov 20, 2008 8:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

u mad?

bahahahaha

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by Belize on Nov 20, 2008 8:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I am not a fan

of Deng’s huge contract in favor of Ben Gordon….but I would hardly say Deng’s a worry. He’ll play solidly, might not quite live up to the $71M, but won’t be too far off….

If we didn’t have Gordon on the team, I’d be much happier with us choosing Deng, but I see Gordon as what was our best piece, and now our 2nd best piece behind Rose.

I didn’t want us to sign both of them for flexibility, since both those guys are good, not great.

Of course if we had anything inside (Tyrus and Noah) I’d be ecstatic if we kept Luol and Ben.

Deng’s not awful, he played like shit early on this year, but he’ll bounce back into a productive 16-18 and 7-8 with slightly above avg defense.

While I like Nocioni a lot, I know Deng’s the better of the 2, but for the production difference and our needs at the 4 and 5, I would be fine with Noc the main SF at considerably lower $$…..and us focusing on the 4/5 we absolutely need to be considered anything mroe than just an energy team.

by majoyenrac on Nov 21, 2008 8:10 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Here's the thing:

let’s say you need two “great” players to be a great team, right?

The Bulls have 1 in Derrick Rose. I find it a tough scenario where he doesn’t become a Top-10 player in the league by the time he’s 24. The best comparison (in my opinion) that I’ve always heard of Derrick Rose is Baron Davis, as if he’d never gotten hurt. Sweeeeet.

The Bulls then need at least a Top-25 player to give them a chance. (This is all according to the +/- from the link above). Luol Deng, based on performance alone and not potential, is already there. So let’s say the Bulls get someone better than Deng, but not quite as good as Baron Davis/Derrick Rose. Chris Bosh currently fits that description.

That’s why I’m not too worried about this team. Derrick Rose and Luol Deng alone combined w/ a competent cast around them, used properly by a coach who can coach, should be enough to make this team a 45 to 50-win team. If, however, this team locks up Ben Gordon and can acquire… say… Chris Bosh, the end is near for the rest of league.

As I posted in another thread:
Roster and ages for 2011-2012 season

Rose(23)—Hinrich(31)
Gordon(28)—Hinrich(31)—Thabo(27)
Deng(26)—Budinger(23)—Thabo
Bosh(27)—Asik(25)—some PF-defensive minded 2010 draft pick
Noah(26)—Asik(25)—Gray(27)

Someone convince me that’s not the title-favorite team from say… 2011/2012 through 2015/2016.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 2:02 PM CST to parent up   1 recs

I love what you're proposing there with one caveat

Noah learns from this past off season and focuses on staying in shape and putting on more bulk in the future.

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by snley on Nov 21, 2008 4:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Definitely. I agree.

The one trade this team needs more than anything right now is Nocioni leaving for a 1-year contract—preferrably a player that deserves fewer than zero minutes per game. If they can do that, Hughes and Thabo can split time at the SF, relieving the guard glut. It’s definitely not ideal, and the team will be worse this year… probably. I’d rather they get weak at the wing position for a year than at PG/SG by shipping Hinrich out.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2008 7:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The idea of the above starting line up gets me so excited

I don’t really care who goes between Noc and Kirk or even if it’s both. A handful more losses this season and next don’t mean much if the team is in position to land Bosh or Amare.

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by snley on Nov 21, 2008 10:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The exciting thing?

It doesn’t take too much of a genius to accomplish it. It would be hard to get rid of Nocioni, but once that’s done, it’s a matter of coming to terms w/ Gordon, drafting the right players and getting lucky in 2010.

It’s hard, and probably “not likely”, but it’s not impossible.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 22, 2008 2:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

::::blank stare:::

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by Belize on Nov 21, 2008 7:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs