Bulls-Blazers post-game thoughts: joke's on us, that game didn't count!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 12:15 AM CST
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Print[Wrote this as the second half began, and scheduled it to post overnight. So hopefully there was some monumental comeback to make this seem silly in retrospect, but I doubt it]
Didn't count. You see...Vinny started Aaron Gray and Larry Hughes.
Aaron Gray. And Larry Hughes. Hughes at SF! Gray at a basketball position! In a regular season NBA game!
So, yeah...think of that as preseason. Didn't count.
I came home with about an hour of saved game to catch up on. I saw that Larry Hughes and Aaron Gray were starting, thought: "what the hell". Then the Blazers clowned a team starting Aaron Gray and Larry Hughes. Expected. The Bulls couldn't quite match up, because they had Aaron Gray and Larry Hughes in their lineup.
After seven and a half minutes, the first substitution. Noah for Gray. The Bulls are down 23-7. Why it took that long to realize that it wasn't working....well I guess if you don't go into the game realizing it won't work in the first place, the chance that a few minutes will change one's mind is remote, no matter how bad it looked.
Around then I muted the TV and was liberal with the fast-forwarding. No reason to listen to analysis of a game where one team started Aaron Gray and Larry Hughes, and the other didn't. (I mean, if the Blazers started Gray and Hughes too...I suppose the game could count again)
Speaking of analysis, wasn't it cute how we tried to discuss how the Bulls would match up with the Blazers today? Now it's not really fair, we were operating under the premise that the Bulls would treat it like a real game. Where the record counts and everything. Nah, they started Aaron Gray and Larry Hughes. Wish I would've known that ahead of time.
I'm glad Aaron gave them a big body (or whatever VDN stammered pre-game), and Hughes was able to stick that big guard, Brandon Roy...
Matchups!
I suppose as the first quarter drudged on, there was a chance of another comeback like the one against Dallas. But that was a home, against a leadfooted veteran team. In this one, the Bulls maintained the suck, and were down by 30 at the half.
Nobody else gets much blame, they were dealt a crappy hand (what with Hughes and Gray on their side, and the Blazers getting to play against them and all), and when after 7.5 minutes the game is already extended garbage time where guys are on their own on offense, and the opponent has a hell of a confidence boost going against you....well, I don't really care how the team performs, as it wasn't a real game. Everyone gets a pass, they were sabotaged.
Eat a turd sandwich, Vinny and Pax!
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yikes
can’t say i’m sorry i missed this one.
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 20, 2008 12:20 AM CST reply actions
i second that
looking at the box score, it wasn’t just not pretty..it was carnage.
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
If I see one more game like that
I don’t know what I’m going to do. It’s the day after the game and I’m wearing glasses. It was that mind-blowingly bad. I’m still a fan for only 3 reasons.
1. Rose
2. Gordon
3. The faint hope that there will be more championships.
Gordon will leave after this year, and Rose will leave (assuming we still suck) when his rookie contract is over. Then there’ll be no more championship hope left either. Time to start lookin for a new team to root for! I only replied to this so I would be near the top.
My hit list: Larry, Thabo, Lindsay, Demetris, Cedric, Aaron, Paxson, Reinsdorf, Del Negro, and Schanwald. We're left with Rose, Gordon, Hinrich, Deng, Noce, Gooden, Tyrus, Noah, Harris, and Bickerstaff. Harris takes coach and Bickerstaff takes GM. Who needs an owner? Pay for it with the money that the Blog A Bull community will spend on tickets to see a good team!
Correction: Matt takes GM, and Bickerstaff stays Head Assistant Coach.
by stupidgenius on Nov 20, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
LOL @ you only replying to this so you'd be at the top!
Random Thought #1: Pax should trade away all pieces that the blogabull community doesn’t like, even if that means including pieces that the Blogabull community does like. The only untradeable here based on play this season is Rose, though an argument could be made for Gordon.
Random Thought #2: Pax and Reinsdorf have got to be giddy about the fact that Kirk has the opportunity to be something of a savior when he comes back if the play continues to suck.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
Man i was hoping for +10 blazers
but that was awesome
"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."
Man, you are just awesome.
Coming here on a win takes a lot of guts. Anymore great observations from tonight’s beatdown?
In fairness to the bulls
They played a blazers team that was TICKED about a loss the night before. The Blazers tend to take large leads out on teams but then lose track of it and end up going neck and neck. This game the blazers were home, ticked off at a loss they should have won and some bad calls, and they came out with a boulder on their shoulder. I have a feeling that a number of teams facing them would have gone down with the same results.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
And to be fair to the Blazers,
they were playing a Bulls team with pretty much no big man worth mentioning that started Hughes and above referenced unmentionable big man.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
And to be fair to the bulls
The refs didn’t help them much in the first quarter. The refs, like Obe Won Kinobe before them, were your only hope.
Ok, maybe not, I just wanted to work that line in. Rose is AWESOME, though. Just think about that today. One bad game doesn’t erase his rookiness of the yearness.
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With the second pick of the 1984 draft
the Portland Trail Blazers select Sam Bowie.
With the third pick of the 1984 draft, the Chicago Bulls select… :)
by Granny Waiters on Nov 21, 2008 3:02 AM CST up reply actions
I'm contacting all the media
to redact the box scores from the books.
Our season stands at 71 games.
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
wow. i fail
Our season stands at 81 games
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 20, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, that pretty much say it all.
The whole Larry Hughes, starting at sf thing really was too funny. Although most people appear to be mad at Vinny, i’m way, way past that. This is all on Paxson. The guy is a fuckin dumbass and he;s gotta go.
What the hell is with this organization?
It isn’t just VDN; both Skiles and (name redacted) routinely started scrubs. Remember the “Adrian Griffin as starter” experiment last year? Does any other franchise start shitty players as often as the Bulls?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Isn't Ginobli coming off the bench in San Antonio?
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 20, 2008 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
You can get away with that when you have Tim Duncan
Besides, they start Michael Finley, who’s at least a decent player himself. They don’t take the 12th man and start him because he’s a “good matchup” or something.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Good point.
Altho didn’t they try Udoka there too?
and Brent Barry?
I'm not defending them at all.
Didn’t mean to make it sound that way. I was just curious if Ginobli was starting
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 20, 2008 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
He was last year...
But that was when everyone was healthy.
If ony Parker is still injured, or less than 100%, when Ginobli comes back in December, no way does he come off the bench.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 20, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Don't have the strength to even...
hate on anyone.
Everyone sucked.
Even DRose wasn’t his brilliant self. (dives into a bomb shelter and waits for the inevitable verbal abuse)
Nah it's true;
worst he’s played. But he’s got two excuses: he’s a rookie, and he’s Derrick Rose. :)
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Don't forget...
He was playing alongside Larry Hughes.
remember when Hughes was good in Washington?
what happened?
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
That was
- 3 years ago
- in an open contract year
- was +30 percentage points in FG shooting compared to his career numbers
- was +3 in FT attempts per game compared to his career numbers
- led the league in steals
It was Larry’s best season as a pro when he most needed it to get the next big contract to close his career.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
dang, he helped me win my fantasy league that year
so my impression of him is pretty skewed. Didn’t realize he sucks otherwise. Leading the league in steals was huge for me. Plus that was Lebro and Melo’s rookie year and I was somehow able to pick them in the middle rounds (I guess people weren’t sure how to project). I owned that league.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 21, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
I managed to miss the first quarter
so by the time I tuned in I pretty much tuned back out again and just glanced up now and then to see something bad happen with it on mute. That was a waste of an ESPN slot. I had no idea they started Hughes and Gray. That does explain the suicide in the first quarter. We might as well just thrown ourselves onto swords after the tip off with that lineup and spared ourselves the rest of the game. The Bulls are really have the worst lineups in the NBA.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Can we delete this thread and the game threads?
So we can pretend this game was never played?
Or pretend we had a hypothetical game against the blazers?
by PatBull on Nov 20, 2008 12:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
What we need to do is
delete this roster minus Rose.
Homecoming
by illwill on Nov 20, 2008 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
This team needs a true Center
if Kaman is available Pax needs to send some players packing. The only people that deserve a roster spot is Rose, Deng, Gordon, Noce and maybe Noah. The rest of this team should be sent packing ASAP!
Homecoming
by illwill on Nov 20, 2008 12:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
ugh....
Noah was very very bad tonight as well as all the others playing the post.
Deng is so streaky
I hate Gordon sometimes because he’s so selfish, but he’s great because he has a jump shot.
I like Rose and Noce, they play like they actually want to win the game.
by aznsensation on Nov 20, 2008 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Scott Skiles will be available in a couple of years
after he gets fired when the Milwaukee players tune him out.
Red Auerbach would fail with today’s players.
The coach we need was driven out of town by a jealous Jerry Krause.
by Granny Waiters on Nov 21, 2008 3:07 AM CST up reply actions
You're right
Noah was bad. Although, I think he showed more attitude than in other games…
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He should take his 20 points
a game and go play somewhere else, aye? That will go well.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Yeah, Gordon is the problem.
If only he could spread the floor so the big men could take over.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
I was watching sportscenter until they started talking about the bulls
I don’t want to be reminded of this game ever again. I will erase this game from my own memory. If everyone follows suit…it will have only been a dream and we can get on with our lives.
Good comment ;-)
But I fear the Blazers will remember that game even if you try to forget it and scrape it from the history books.
You mean nightmare, right?
My hit list: Larry, Thabo, Lindsay, Demetris, Cedric, Aaron, Paxson, Reinsdorf, Del Negro, and Schanwald. We're left with Rose, Gordon, Hinrich, Deng, Noce, Gooden, Tyrus, Noah, Harris, and Bickerstaff. Harris takes coach and Bickerstaff takes GM. Who needs an owner? Pay for it with the money that the Blog A Bull community will spend on tickets to see a good team!
Correction: Matt takes GM, and Bickerstaff stays Head Assistant Coach.
by stupidgenius on Nov 20, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Dude...
Just read your signature. Congratulations, you have effectively mushed Matt hard.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 20, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Deng may be out a little while longer
Deng suffered his injury during Tuesday’s morning shootaround in Los Angeles, spent 26 minutes chasing Kobe Bryant around and then sat the entire fourth quarter against the Lakers. Late Tuesday, he said he could be out for a bit.
Coach Vinny Del Negro, who started Larry Hughes instead, confirmed Deng’s absence could stretch beyond Portland.
“Hamstrings can linger and those just need rest,” Del Negro said.
“The injury situation doesn’t get any better. We just keep trying to find ways to patch this thing up.”
I guess this means more Hughes in the starting lineup. How long before Noc throws a towel at VDN?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Seriously, enough of starting Hughes over Noce.
I’d rather have Deng but I’d settle for Noce before Hughes or Thabo.
I bet you
Vinny (who was never a great defender) could have guarded Hughes last night….even thogh Vinny’s 43-44?
throws a towel
throws a fist
flops at him
Thabo Sefolosha: His last name sounds like a disease, and his ballgame IS one.
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 20, 2008 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Is Deng available?
He seems to have regressed since his outstanding postseason of a few years ago (any possible explanations for why?). Do you guys think he could be had (by, oh, say the Blazers…) or would you still consider him off-limits?
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 20, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
I'll trade him to you for Ike Diogu and Shavlik Randolph
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
Actually, the Bulls could actually use either of those two players
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If I was GM,
I’d trade him to the Blazers.
Not gonna happen though.
do the Blazers need 4 SFs?
we already have 3 and luckily 1 is hurt so the other two can play
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Deng would be difficult to trade this year
due to being a Base Year Compensation player.
by Granny Waiters on Nov 21, 2008 3:11 AM CST up reply actions
wow, this post almost made me feel better about that craptastic display of ineptitude...
….on vinny’s part. the worst part was having to watch avery johnson’s half time analysis and thinking to myself, is it too late to try to hire him this season?
Did Avery say anything interesting regarding the coaching staff?
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 20, 2008 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
Not really
He said about Derrick some good things and that he is in a toughest position right now.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
He seemed like the robot and repeated almost a hundred times
"You need to defend the paint… blá, blá, blá, blá, blá… You need to defend the paint … blá, blá, blá, blá, blá, blá… You need to defend the pain"
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Tough loss guys
I was excited to see Rose play. Every team lays a turd every now and again. Tonight it was your turn. You will bounce back soon I’m sure. The Blazers lost a tough game the night before and came out hungry. Chicago has some good young players and Gooden has the creepiest beard in the league. That counts for something.
Enjoy Rose!
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Nov 20, 2008 12:43 AM CST reply actions
Correction: Chicago has some young players
by gobulls1124 on Nov 20, 2008 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
are they the "Adolescent Bulls" now?
The Baby Bulls rolled off the tongue better.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
in dog years, a cross between a bull dog and a shitzu
a bullshit?
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 4:06 AM CST up reply actions
I call Gooden's Beard
“The Octopus”.
Or just “Octy” for short.
between Deng being out and the circumstances surrounding Portland, this was a perfect storm waiting to happen
The Blazers coughed up two games on their recent roadtrip, New Orleans and then last night at Golden State. The whole city has been pissed about what happened at GS for the last 24 hours.
Then you throw in Oden’s home debut (more than 500 days after he was drafted).
It was a train running down the tracks at 60 mph and there wasn’t much that could be done to stop it.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
What is wrong with Blazers fans?
I’m talking not only about trols,but “nice guys” also.
Is it that much interesting to go to other fans blogs and look at their reaction to tough loss?
I haven’t seen so many “enemy blogers” in one gametread like tonight.
I don’t see many Pistons fans(for example) here even though we have some history between us.
Maybe 5-6 guys for whole last season,but I’ve heard from 6-7 blazers fans just today.
Do you, Blogabullers,go to other blogs a lot?
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
I just look at Brew Hoop from time to time to see if there's any reaction to Skiles so far
but that place is a ghost town aside from a few people. In a way I think it’s good to go to other people’s boards to just switch it up and see the other side, but nothing can be done about trolls, just ignore them.
When the game is boring for 3 quarters
what else are you gonna do?
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
I'm gonna
bitch about it (if we lose) or celebrate it(if we win) on this blog.But I’m not gonna gloat over on losing teams blogs.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
Sorry to have apparently bothered you
I’m a Blazers fan, yeah, but I’m first and foremost an NBA fan. For me, it’s interesting to see how the fans of other teams (who usually know way more about their own squads than the national media does, so you get a better taste for what’s actually going on) talk about their team’s strengths and weaknesses. It’s also cool to get non-Blazers perspectives on Blazers players.
I always like popping over to a Blazers opponent’s blog on game day to get a vibe for the conversation that’s going on. It’s especially neat at a place like BlogaBull, one of the most widely read and respected basketball blogs around. Done respectfully, I wouldn’t say that visiting and talking with the fans of opposing teams is inherently disrespectful, any more so than talking to the Bulls fan sitting next to me in a game at the Rose Garden would be.
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 20, 2008 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
It is one thing to lurk
and see what people are saying and then go back to your own turf, but to actually post comments and pretty much be all “I thought we’d beat you by more than ten but this outcome was awesome!” is really rude. We don’t have fans from any of the other teams coming on here and commenting after we lose. It isn’t normal or nice. If you are dead set on commenting here look for a fanposts that deal with Bulls/Blazers trades or something. Then we might care to hear what you think on that subject.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
I was posting here throughout the second half
click on my name and look at a sampling of the posts, if you’d like. If you can find one comment that you consider rude or gloating, I’d be very disappointed in myself. Like I said below, you learn about other teams through respectful conversation, and win or lose, that’s the tenor I try to strike when I visit another team’s “turf”.
You allow your visitors to comment on potential trades between their teams, but are interested in nothing they have to say about the games between your teams?
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 20, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Personally
I don’t care to hear from fans of other teams on here. That’s what general sports boards are for. I come here to hear from Bulls fans as there are so few of them where I live. I don’t come here to read about the other teams perspective. Especially after a blowout loss. I’d feel the same way if I was unlucky enough to be at the game seated next to a Blazer fan. After the game I wouldn’t really feel like chatting it up with the enemy. I’d want to go out for drinks with my friends. Would you show up at a bar frequented by Bulls fans after a loss like this? Probably not. It would be rude.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Dude it's a game not a war
We’re annoying, maybe, but not the enemy. I will drink with anyone. Period. Drinking encompasses so many wonderful points that annoying people often become interesting.
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Good god
you are like door to door missionaries. No one likes those people. It isn’t a very difficult concept to get.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Do they drink?
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Welcome to BaB
It’s good to see other NBA fans visit this blog because it can be refreshing to see other perspectives.
by messwiththebull on Nov 20, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
I've never even thought about it until today.
To each his own I guess. Some of the Blazer guys were straight and just havin’ regular converstion, which was cool to hear a different perspective. But I totally know what you mean there was tons of ’em poppin up. It was pretty strange
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 20, 2008 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
Heck, I don't know why they do that, and I'm a Blazers fan
Dave always encouraged folks to check out other blogs. I think he does that so they’ll be preoccupied, and won’t write a FanPost on how the Blazers don’t get any respect, or a trade proposal for some player the Blazers have no chance in getting.
dear god tell me about it
If I see one more freaking “lets trade scrub x for Chris paul! It’s perfect and unique and the dumbass before me two posts down hasn’t thought ot it yeat even though he’s posted the exact same trade” one more time…
Hell, I don’t even like the reasonable trades.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
And it makes no sense.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
agreed
but the point was that they’re not here just to see our reaction to the loss. a lot of them have been over here in the past.
i don’t understand it either. :)
See,
I can understand perhaps lurking on another team’s blog if there is a trade conversation going on or something, but to come on after a game to gloat and actually post comments…blah. Fans of other teams manage to refrain from this. The fact is they DID come here to see our reaction to the loss. And that is weird.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Your reaction to the *game*
not to the loss. I’d be here reading your reactions and posting here and there if the scores had been reversed and the Blazers just got shellacked. Excepting the trolls, the other Blazers fans posting here would feel as I do. Dave (our humble blog’s moderator) encourages us to go to other SBN blogs and have respectful conversations there. I’m not sure why you want other teams’ fans to “manage to refrain” from trying to learn more about your team via a few posts…but like juiceboxjerry said above, to each their own.
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 20, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
I'd just ask to tread lightly
lets face it, most of us here likely hate eachother, but we agree that we like the Bulls. With Blazers fans, we can’t even agree on that a base-level of interaction.
So basically you have to be over-the-top respectful and non-confrontational to make up for it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Certainly understandable
and I’ve been doing my best to strive for exactly those two qualities. If I were coming in here like some of my brethren and being a big ol’ jerk, I would understand the hostility. It’s just that the mere fact that somebody from another blog is (respectfully) posting here is irritating some people strikes me as odd. It was a tough loss, though, and people are on edge. It’s cool.
One day, you should write a piece on how you keep a relatively deflated head despite being linked to on TrueHoop every other day. You know you’ve arrived when…
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 20, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Consider a post-blowout thread
like a bunch of fans out drinking after a blowout. You do not really want fans of the other team showing up at your bar when you are drinking off a bad game. No matter how well intentioned they insist they are. It is neither the time nor the place.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Nov 20, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I went and checked
And it was Timbo.
I think he’s a bigger fan of controversy than he is a fan of the Blazers.
Just check out his profile.
by tominhawaii on Nov 20, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
.................... Tommy Bahamas is just jealous because I know more hoop than he does... If it weren't for Greg Oden, he'd still be busy watching Survivor and Dancing with the Stars...
……………………………………. Aside from shitty reality television and pre-fab boy bands, Tommy B’s one area of unquestioned expertise, for which he is known far and wide across SBNation, relates to the fortunately esoteric topic of chocolate penises. Seriously — he is THE expert in confectionary cock, and his enthusiasm has lead to bitter wailings from at least one message board supremo in the NBA Western Conference.
Trust me, if I were a troll, there was COPIOUS opportunity for that in the Portland game. I di’n’t. A little Ultra-Lite™® trash talking pregame, a smirk with a score and an over-the-top Blog-a-Bully post requoted at the quarter, a straight score with another over-the-top Blog-a-Bully post requoted at the half, and some sanguine and untaunting hoop musings in the 2nd half. Check the log before you slag me off as a troll, ‘cause I ain’t.
This is controversial only because a few Bulls fans were SHOCKED, shocked I say, that a Blazer fan would flick ‘em a little light-hearted shit pregame (wimps!), and a few of the posters at Blazers Edge are FUCKING PUSSIES who are all too eager to apologize for “offenses” for which they have no reason or authority to “apologize.” (I’m talking to you, Tommy Bahamas… KISS MY ASS.)
Anyway, no blood, no foul, Bullies, and we’ll see ya in Chi-town for the rematch!
timbo
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
I didn't apolgize for you
You’re an asshole and everyone knows it. You’re sometimes entertaining and mostly just trying to piss people off. I’m all for pissing someone off, every now and then, but at least I can tell when it will come off as a good natured-ribbing or come off like an contemptuous cock sucker. (Not that there is anything wrong with sucking cock. I like a lot of cock suckers.)
They don’t like going off topic here, so I’ll leave it at that.
well, that was informative
I’ll ban timbo, he seems the most annoying.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
::grumble::
I hope you were kidding
(it’s neither, if it was serious)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'd prefer a new catchphrase every time
but using the rec button works best.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
ha!
that’s right everyone: only 3 recs to get a comment blowed up.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
That would make my week
and a lot of other Bedger’s too, if Dave banned Timbo. Seriously, he admitted liking the L#kers. You can’t really be a Blazers fan and like the L#kers. Tom is dead on when he said that Timbo likes to piss people off, I really think that’s his main reason for being on the blog, and he posts about 50 comments a day.
Also, excuse me if I got a little carried away Bulls fans. I’ll be more careful, I probably got a little carried away pregame, but I wasn’t rubbing it your face during the game or after. Hope that counts for something.
"Because I like the L#kers." -Timbo
I come her because Dave axed me too as an ambassador of love and hugs
Those guys in your open thread are trolls. Golden State fans did it to the Blazers the other day. Unfortunately, just about every team has trolls. I don’t even take part the Blazers open thread because of the overreaction of a lot of fans.
Gold star for you. Good boy.
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Blazers fans are still upset
over passing up Jordan for Bowie in the 1984 draft, and losing Game 6 of the 1992 finals after being up by 15 at the start of the 4th quarter.
by Granny Waiters on Nov 21, 2008 3:16 AM CST up reply actions
correct
but the team at the moment makes it easier to forget.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 22, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Fucking ESPN
with their stupid Rose-Oden matchup.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
between Rose having no one to help him and the Blazer's defense being hungrier than a starving polar bear
you can’t expect a rookie to overcome that.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
That is what I'm talking about
They made it look like it was all Derricks fault.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
yeah, i never even thought about that before i saw it on ESPN
and them comparing Rose to Oden is like comparing a perfectly melted Philly Cheese to a shit sandwich
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 20, 2008 1:31 AM CST up reply actions
Rose looked like he was playing by himself tonight
and then Gordon started running point and all hell broke loose
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
Well Lindsey Hunter gave some effort....though I don't know if he played with Rose...can't remember
I’d rather see Thabo at SF than Hughes, that was awful, and let’s end the Aaron Gray starts, unless we play a slow plodding team….trouble is there aren’t many of those left….and I can’t think of any. I wouldn’t want Gray at all against Shaq….
yes!
I’d rather have Thabo start at the 3. He’s bigger, and when you’re already starting high usage guys like Rose, Gordon, Gooden, and (guh) Gray, why have another guy who’s only out there to take shots?
But between Thabo and Noc, it’s amazing that at a supposedly deep position that Vinny goes with none of the above.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Good thing I missed this game
…this organization and ueam is a joke at this point…but on the bright side we have a superstar and we dont have McHale as GM to maybe it could be worse.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Nov 20, 2008 1:37 AM CST reply actions
I hope that Bulls fans stop going to these games.
It’s a shame because of how good Rose has been and he deserves to be supported. But from Reinsdorf on down this franchise has chosen to act like it’s second rate all the way. From the coach hiring debacle and roster issues to even silly things like their stupid ass marketing campaign (“Love it live!”) they are pathetic and undeserving of the fans hard earned money.
There’s no way in hell that Vinny should be coaching this team, it’s an absolute joke. His first coaching job EVER and he gets to coach the Chicago fucking Bulls! Not only that but he’s entrusted with the number one overall pick in the draft. Can you imagine the Lakers pulling some bullshit like that off?
no i can't
this franchise is fucked…
let’s just hope they don’t run off Pooh.
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
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by Orlando Woolridge on Nov 20, 2008 1:40 AM CST up reply actions
I haven't been following the Bulls season
What was the general opinion on Del Negro’s coaching prior to this game?
Boomshakalaka
I think
VDN’s for the most part done a good job. I don’t like the lineup he started with tonight, but then again Noah and Tyrus Thomas also didn’t look like they were ready to play at all. THe Hughes start was bad though, a very bad move….he’s never a choice for a SF….
Can't blame
VDN for guys not trying or coming prepared…..I really don’t think it was him.
Rose had a rookie game, his first and while he’s played like a superstar this year, he is just a rookie so we should expect that.
With Rose out of sync, the Blazers doubled up on Gordon, bringing him out.
I think Drew Gooden left his brain in Chicago, 2 straight AWFUL nights especially on defense….he was just TERRIBLE….he started off the Laker game hitting some shots early, but was awful overall that night….
I don’t blame Del Negro for our guys’s lack of effort. I know a coach is supposed to be a motivator first, but how many coaches do these “Character” guys have to run out of town. VDN’s done a fine job getting us into the games and keeping things close besides yesterday….and yesterday our guys looked like they just wanted to go back to bed.
he's not responsible for preparing the team, motivating the team
or putting guys in the right spots to win. So….what’s he doing?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
I know
I am just so upset, I mentioned that below, but also at some points (Given that this was a very last year type of Bulls game and given the effort we’ve played in at least 10 if not 11 of the other games (We came up weak against the Celtics, but at least tried to make that a game at some point via effort). The guys last year just didn’t look like they wanted to play, and ultimately I think the blame cannot always be on the coach, I think this time we have to blame the players first.
I am still very pissed off about that one. Really god awful, I bet you the 1999 Bulls would have beat us by 25 points last night, and we’re a much better team than that.
Combing his hair and looking good
Duh.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
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and yes
Gooden was absolutely terrible. I really think having him is a problem, he thinks he’s way better than he is, and he’s not even at his true position. He was making Tyrus-esque plays on offense, only difference is that he wasn’t called stupid afterwards.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe he's playing for a contract, like BG and Deng did last year
The problem is that Gooden is not as good as those two guys. And, if I recall, BG and Deng sucked last year – even though Deng is sucking this year as well. So, maybe we’ll see this more of this poor play from Gooden most of the year as well
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I think BG is playing for a contract this year too
And they’re playing for contracts from other teams, which is the saddest part. Playing team ball or even playing well isn’t rewarded by this organization, only loyalty. So why not showcase what you can do to the rest of the league?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
One of the good things of Gooden and BG going to another team
is that, at least, they would gives more cap space to attack 2010 free agency. But if Pax can’t do anything by that time, these losses – especially Gordon’s – will be bad to the future of the team. And if that happen, Pax needs to be traded too.
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At least the Bulls will get the two draft picks as compensation, right/
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Of course
Ben’s playing for a contract from another team. The Bulls made it clear they’re only paying him at max $58M….
I do think though that Gordon’s been professional through it all. He’s a lame duck player who at least will become a $50-65M player next year….
Yeah
Way Gordon played before last year he was going to get more than the MLE. That’s just stupid. If he was 28-29, that’s one thing, but not 24-25…
That's what I meant.
I didn’t phrase it so well … yeeeeeah …
I think
While Deng’s numbers are off, he actually (besides the Lakers game which he now is saying he is hurt) was figuring out his place and improving. Hope he gets back soon, he had a nice stretch in there and I think he was finding his game in VDN’s style….
But yeah, I don’t know what to say about Gooden….I know he’s made some stupid plays on Offense, really stupid, a few easy jump shots that he tried to make into an athletic Jordan-esque kind of move that made the shots harder and Gooden isn’t nearly athletic enough to even try….
But the main issue is that ever since he called out our guys about having to play more defense and how he had to be a leader and work with the coach and the team on defense, his already porous D has dropped precipitously….
But ultimately the blame last night to me goes on these 4:
Drew Gooden. I think he takes the lions share of my blame for athe game on him because he played like absolute shit, didn’t play as much out of position even as Larry un-legend and mostly because he called out the team for defense and since he’s done so he’s played worse defense than ever.
Hughes (God, the coach didn’t help him I guess putting him in a crappy position, but he has to play better Defense, he can and has in the past, he deserves a call out…..Roy is a guard anyway and Hughes didn nothing at all to stop him.
Joakim Noah has to remember that he really and truly can play BBall in the NBA. He has a lot of skills but really never this year especially seems to come ready to play and seems to be taking things too lightly on the court.
Tyrus THomas. He was playing so poorly that he was laughing at the refs and stuff on the court. I’ve seen off Tyrus moments (shots didn’t fall, he missed D assignments and rotations) but I’ve never seen Tyrus not do anything at all right and play so completely disinterested (or at least I might have forgotten). Last night was a joke.
I can forgive Gray, it’s not his fault that he’s a slow bumbling marshmallow out there, he seems to try, he’s just not starter level in the NBA and though unlikely who knows, he still should lose another 30 lbs, that might help his speed a bit.
I can’t blame Rose, he played his first game like a rookie after playing at least the last 7-8 like an all star….it happens.
I can’t really blame Gordon either, because McMillan took ROse out of his game, Hughes the chucker couldn’t be trusted and wasn’t a concern, our Bigs
I agree, I say rebuild our frontcourt, PF & Centers on notice
Use Thabo & Hughes for bait. Hell package hughes and a package of bigs for Starbury and Zach Randolf. Hell the knicks should be willing to do anything to get rid of Starbury’s contract.
by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 20, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Thabo and Hughes won't get you anything
unless you want to take on post-2010 salary. I’m not against this.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not either
What big 2010 free agent is going to want to come to the Bulls to play after we’re this awful with the talent we have.
Make a move to keep us kind of competitive….we don’t need to get any younger.
Memphis is going to move ahead of us soon….it’s disgusting
Who?
I’d be ok with abandoning 2010 if it really gets us somewhere, but the major players that teams are trying to move don’t look like players that would get us over the top.
I actually went through and looked at guys who I’ve read might be moved either because they have long term deals or will have to be resigned to long term deals before 2010. The list is actually pretty short, and importantly I don’t see any combination of guys on it that’d really make us contenders.
I see AK-47 as a maybe. He’s not quite 28, so he’ll probably be able to man the PF spot for us for another 5 or 6 years.
Adding him would certainly be helpful, but does it make us a legitimate contender to anything? I’d say definitely not. So who else is out there?
- Shawn Marion is a couple years older and has a worse disposition. No.
- Zach Randolph is an ass clown. No.
- Gerald Wallace plays the same position as Deng. No.
- Kenyon Martin. Plays the same position as AK-47. Scary injury history and on the wrong side of thirty. No
- Mike Dunleavy? Luol Deng with a three pointer and worse defense.
- Troy Murphy? No.
- Chris Kaman? OK, maybe. But won’t come cheap. Does an AK + Kaman frontcourt get us anywhere? I don’t really think so.
- Michael Redd? Brings nothing we don’t get with Gordon, but probably worse defense and much more overpaid.
- Eddy Curry. Not going to happen for off court reasons (burned bridges), so let’s just leave it at that.
- David Lee. Nice player, but again, not going to put us over the top.
- Vince Carter. Rapidly aging primadonna. The rich man’s Larry Hughes.
So what’s my point in all of this? Well, it’s to say that sure, if a great deal came along, screw 2010, but I don’t see any great deals coming along.
I’m mildly interested in Kirilenko, but even then I don’t see the path forward. Say we traded him for about the least about we could possibly expect. Say Hughes plus Tyrus for AK-47. Hell, let’s imagine we throw in a future pick and they give us Paul Milsap too.
1- Rose, Hinrich
2- Gordon, Thabo
3- Deng, Noc
4- AK-47, Milsap
5- Gooden, Noah
Nice team, but I don’t see it going anywhere big. Even if we take another step, and we get ourselves a real center (Camby, Kaman, Brand Miller? I dunno)… I’m still not seeing it.
De gustibus non est disputandum
I was thinking more like helping a team by taking a mid-level type salary off their hands
the Bulls need to deal Hinrich and Noc for 2010 to work anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
What would we get from that?
I mean, I could at least envision dropping the 2010 idea if we take back a really high quality player like AK-47.
But if that’s only a marginal ideal, then isn’t giving up the 2010 dream in exchange for a mid-level player an even worse one? If AK-47 isn’t gonna get us there, then surely Vlad Radmanovic or Morris Peterson aren’t. So dealing away that opportunity for one of those schmucks would be awful.
And if you do a deal like that (where you take on post 2010 salary) you lose the rationale for trading Kirk and Noc. I mean, you still trade them if a good deal comes along, or to avoid the LT, but since you’re no longer in the 2010 game (because you’ve consigned yourself to AK-47 or Morris Peterson or Eddy Curry or Jamaal Tinsley) then you might as well keep around Kirk or Noc.
De gustibus non est disputandum
it wouldn't take them out of the game
if Noc and Hinrich are dealt, that’s my point.
I’m saying that it’s worth taking on 2010 money if it makes the team better. I’m not going to sit through two years of this garbage.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
So you bring in Joel Przybilla and deal Hinrich and Noc?
(For example)
I spose that can work, but do you really think there’s much difference between Przybilla and Gooden (whose spot he’ll certainly be replacing after this year)?
I guess for this season it would be an improvement, but meh… I dunno.
De gustibus non est disputandum
I really think Gooden's no good.
He’s not good enough to help, but not bad enough to stop shooting (or tell the media he’s going to coach the team) And he’s going to be gone after the season anyway.
though why is it always Joel Przybilla? He’s not going to help much on offense. Now if only there was a mountain of a man who could also hit a jump shot…Brad something :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Cause he's the only worthwhile big I can think of
with a post 2010 salary.
De gustibus non est disputandum
His salary ends in the Summer of 10
I imagine that’s another reason Matt wants him.
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I thought
AK47, but now he’s thriving again, of course….
But still maybe at the deadline if we offer up Gooden (expring, we can get AK47)…..
David Lee…perhaps but not if we have to offer too much I suppose.
Zach Randolph…until last night I was on the hell no squad, but now? I don’t know, he can at least play in the post. And while he’s a ball hog with a bad rap, he can play and is very consistent….not my fave pick by any stretch, but better than nothing.
Why not this trade:
We’d have to wait until the deadline, and of course the Mavs are on a streak.
Bulls add in unprotected first round pick next season and top 3 protected first round pick the season after next.
The Mavs can take anyone besides Rose and make this deal work, I just thought this was the easiest (and still have the 2 options) because of Deng’s BYC and Gordon’s bird rights status….but any of them are fine too.
We pair up Dirk with Rose and hopefully still have Deng. We lose Gordon this offseason (an unfortunate casualty) but have a real BIG 3 to work off of, and with unguardable Dirk and unguardable and likely getting better Rose, we should have enough.
Hopefully Asik comes to town next year? I don’t know if that’s the plan.
The Mavs have a solid start to a rebuilding project. Have replaced JKIDD with Hinrich, and Hinrich will get cheaper which is nice. Have another athlete in Tyrus to hope to teach the game. Have an expring Gooden…..but basically they make this trade to get some draft picks since they have none next year (they give theirs to Jersey)….
why didn't we all think of this?
trading for Dirk. of course. Why is Dallas doing this again? Rebuilding with Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas? If only they could look for an example to see how that’s working out…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
FOr the draft picks of course
When their team is mired in the gutter.
We can add Gordon or anybody else of course…but this might allow them a rebuilding plan since they are not moving forward and have no draft picks. Gordon’s not available in the trade machine yet, nor is Deng, and to be honest they don’t need Deng.
Bulls by trade deadline might be looking like a 20-30 win team, and that’s a nice lottery pick, a nice unprotected lottery pick.
Dirk’s 30 going on 31, the Mavs aren’t moving anywhere in the stacked West.
They have no draft picks coming hteir way the next two seasons and now they will have some. Chances are either way the Bulls aren’t a top 3 lottery team in the near future…
They can resign Bass, work and improve Tyrus’s game from teh bench, and start some sort of rebuilding…
Actually
I meant this trade, copied the wrong link.
Same idea though. We get a crappy contract in Terry (he can play but at $9M a year for 4 more years, yuck).
They get our draft picks. They get a starting PG.
They get a lot of cap room for the future with Terry’s $9M gone, and Gooden’s cap money gone and not renewing the option on Jerry Stackhouse…..
They’ll have still:
Hinrich-Howard
and can keep Brandon Bass and with draft picks and flexibilities and the facilities will be back in the hunt quickly.
They can even get Gordon perhaps or Deng perhaps (I’m just using what’s available as an option for right now).
The mix of $$ savings, young talents, and mostly draft picks, seem to make this a deal for the making before Dirk’s team is mired in mediocrity.
From the Bulls perspective, obviously with Rose and Dirk we’re happy even with the other crap….Dirk can shoot as we all know and thus his skills shouldn’t dramatically deteriorate until his contract is done.
that one's even worse!
for Dallas I mean.
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I disagree
Stackhouse is off the books next year for them. The Jet is more like the plane these days and if we think Noc at $7M off our bench is too much, Terry at $9M a year for 4 more years is way too much.
They get nice pieces to build on and some likely high draft picks.
But so be it. I think there’s a greater chance of a Dirk trade at the deadline if the Mavs flounder. He’s of course the value guy, but getting what 5 players, 2 first round draft picks and cap relief for essentiall Dirk, and a better Larry Hughes off of our bench in “the plane” is not an awful trade for either party.
The only way Dalles does this trade
is if Reinsdorf guarantees to Cuban that he can buy the Cubs. No way Cuban trades Dirk for a bunch of journeymen.
by Granny Waiters on Nov 21, 2008 3:31 AM CST up reply actions
why would the Mavs do that?
That trade just looks like Dirk and Stack for a pack of roaches, to me. – Elgin.
All the kids who played the blues would learn my licks with a bottleneck slide. - Richard Palmer-James
I would trade Hughes
for a 3rd round draft pick.
(Yes, I know the NBA eliminated the 3rd round of the draft)
by Granny Waiters on Nov 21, 2008 3:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
RE: and yes
Exactly. Why is Gooden in love with 20-footers? We already have a crappy shooting player from Cleveland who’s in love with 20 foot jump shots he can’t make. Does Gooden really need to do this as well? He shouldn’t be allowed above the FT line unless he either
a) running back on D
or
b) chasing the guy on the other team who just stole it from him
I just got home from the game...
I live in Portland and attended tonights game.
The obvious has all been said.
I just want to make clear that as far as I can tell everything bad about this game started with Hughes and ended with Tyrus Thomas.
The Bulls are very close to being one of the worst teams in the league.
Hughes completely took Rose and Gordon out of their games.
Nocioni seriously was the only player that managed to play.
As far as Tyrus – the guy is a bust.
We had a guy here named Telfair….very simillar; half the town loved him and half thought he was an overrated bust…turns out 6 years later; he still cant average more than 9pts and 4.5assists.
If it makes you feel any better, and as you saw tonight
Aldridge has been sucking for us the last three games, and sucked on opening night at LA.
Damn junior slumps for these third year PFs, that will invariably be joined at the hip in a sense for the rest of their careers.
I don’t know if Aldridge is going to figure out how to play with Oden. He hasn’t done so yet.
I don’t watch a ton of Bulls games, but maybe Tyrus is a better type of PF to play with Oden.
Wanna trade?
JK.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 4:10 AM CST up reply actions
that which doesn't kill you
only makes you stronger.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Very poor
OK, I take it you weren’t happy with the performance.
We need time and a hell of alot of it!
Funny Recap
I was wondering what the hell was going on. The Blazers aren’t that good and the Bulls aren’t that bad. I read your recap and I think I got it now.
Did you notice the soccer commercial during the game? One of the guys looked like VDN.
Matt,
that was brilliantly written. Really very funny stuff, and therapeutic. Aaron Gray AND Larry Hughes. I can’t get over it. Both of them. Starting. For an NBA Team. Mine.
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wasnt this game on espn? did anyone catch that brodcast? id be interested to see their take on the lineups.
and was noch the “best” one yest?
he is the leader on boxscores
It aint easy bein' Piatkowski
Sorry, but the starting line-up is just a symptom...
VDN is totally out of his depth, and is already flailing for some sort of magic chemistry which, of course, doesn’t exist. The Bulls minimally need to trade for a true, athletic center, and or a seriously good power forward, otherwise they will be slapped around by every good, big team in the league.
Furthermore, and back to the main point, if Paxson was smart (which I once believed, but now seriously question), he’d cut his losses, buyout VDN’s contract, and get rid of him. And I mean NOW! I don’t want to hear about learning curves, etc., as he has already demonstrated that he is nowhere near ready for Prime Time. Just put Del Harris in charge, who at least has experience, and would make some confident decisions. VDN is the proverbial deer in the headlights, as anyone can see when they cutaway to him after a bad play or streak by the Bulls. He is simply clueless.
Yes, the Bulls are often overmatched, and have personnel problems, but the consistent disarray on the court is a DIRECT reflection of the coach. They are lost, and have no creative answers to the tough questions because VDN is also lost.
There is absolutely no downside to getting rid of the dead weight as quickly as possible, including VDN, TT, and LH. In fact, if they could get something of value for Gordon, I’d be delighted to see him go as well. But the most important point remains that this team will underachieve badly as long as VDN at the helm.
by badnewsintennisshoes on Nov 20, 2008 8:16 AM CST reply actions
Reinsdorf could buy out Vinny's contract
with money found in the cushions of his couch.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
Vinny
may be the only coach in the league who makes less than the team doc. It’s truly pathetic. Look at the Knicks – D-Antoni wins with that roster? With Duhon at point? With Crawford at guard, “Z-bo” at pf, and a pf at center? And the Bulls look like utter disorganized garbage with Rose, Gordon, Deng, Nocioni – players that would be major contributors on the Knicks. D’Antoni is getting more out of Wilson Chandler than VDN is getting out of T2 and Noah combined.
Did I mention that we only have one play? It’s called “Derrick Rose.”
The reason we run it isn’t because VDN is letting Rose “grow” or giving him “freedom”. It’s because VDN is complete out of his depth.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Just wait until Jared Jeffries comes back and he turns into Boris Diaw
But yeah, yesterday was a disorganized disaster of a rout. The good news is the players aren’t really quite as bad as they showed.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Let's no overreact too much
Honestly, this is the worst loss I can remember since the 50pt TWolves game a few years ago. And even that at least had a really bad team featured. But this team is really not that bad, last night aside.
They’re 4-2 at home, 0-5 on the road. Road losses are Boston, LA, Cleveland (3 best teams right now IMO), Orlando, and Portland.
The Knicks have had a very easy schedule which is the only reason their record is better.
I like the perspective.
But, as I’m sure you know, I’ve been ragging on VDN for a long time now. I’ve been down on many of his moves, not just last night, but I’ve bored everyone with that blather long enough.
You’re right. Optimism. .
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
It wasn't just that hughes was starting...
it seemed like he was the primary ball handler… wtf was Vinny doing.
Terrible performance, thankfully it's just one game
When I look at the Bulls’ strength of schedule through the 12 games this season, I am honestly a bit shocked to see this team at 5-7 instead of 2-10. That’s the silver lining I see and I’m sticking with it.
by messwiththebull on Nov 20, 2008 8:16 AM CST reply actions
It's true-
lose by 50, lose by 5, you still lost. That they got embarrassed on ESPN should serve as a motivating factor. And if it doesn’t…then we know where we stand.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Who cares about motivation when the coach doesn't play the best players?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Somebody (messwithbulls?)
said that at least the lineup was so bad we’ll never see it again. I’m sticking to that. And if that lineup appears again, I’m officially a VDN “h8er”.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
technically it wasn't back in the 2nd half
Noah started (with 5 fouls) for Gray. Hughes still was in though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
::waves diminutive Bulls flag::
But good to know; I couldn’t watch the second half.
This is what’s scary to me. Not only is he playing Larry Hughes, our worst player, despite the fact that there are numerous better players on the team. He’s playing Larry Hughes out of position. He’s actually playing a lesser version of Larry Hughes. He’s bending things to insert Larry Hughes into the lineup.
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I am embarrassed
to be a Chicago Bulls fan, and a really big Chicago Bulls fan. I don’t get it either why after 2 minutes of Gray not getting down the court and the Blazers completely outrunning us, VDN didn’t make a switch.
I guess though Noah and Tyrus didn’t come ready to play either.
Why was it HUGHES over Nocioni???? That made absolutely no sense.
That game was so freaking embarrassing. Truly embarrassing. I am still pissed over it, I tried to be the good solider and press on, but with 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and me ready to forever change allegiances to our team of absolute losers, I turned the game off.
If I see one more game like that this year, I will do whatever I can to ban myself from watching them for 1 solid month. That’s hard to do since they really are a good reason to get excited about the winter (well them and Christmas).
I just couldn’t believe it. We are not that bad, the guys played with no mojo at all, and then gave up half way in the first quarter.
Rose had his first rookie game, understandable, but other guys have to step up (GORDON). I know Deng was out, and really Gordon wasn’t as much to blame as Drew Gooden—second terrible, absolutely terrible Gooden game in a row, and Aaron Gray, Tyrus Thomas, and Joakim Noah have to start taking responsibility for their jobs or I don’t care, the Bulls should just buy them out and/or send them to the development league (well he should do this to Thomas and Noah, Gray seems to try, but just on the matchups can be overmatched)….
Just awful. Larry un-legend should not sniff a start again for the rest of his career, and if he does play should be reserved to mostly SG with a hair of PG……
Just awful.
I’m still pissed. I don’t blame VINNY at all, this was last year’s team showing up again. Paxson needs to make a trade, even a losing trade immediately. Go after Zach Randolph…..sure he makes too much money and is a stat stuffer, but he can play and I’d rather see a guy who can play than see a mockery of our team like yesterday, even though I’ve always been against Z-BO….I don’t care anymore, I’m over this group.
Still fuming.
I blame Vinny some
he’s the pilot of each game…he directs where they need to go and how they need to get there. Starting out with Gray and Hughes is waving the white flag before the game even starts. That’s not to mention he sat on that lineup until around the 4:00 minute mark in the first. So 8 minutes had past, with the Bulls already down more than 20 before he makes one single change??? Uhhh..no, that gets no pass from me.
When either Vinny or his coaching staff saw things going downhill after the first 3-4 minutes, that should’ve been enough evidence to know that some kind of change needed to be made. Gray was horrible. We are not the Lakers…we should not be allowed to feel out the game and play through several mistakes. When we do, we get results like last night.
The coaching and playing was absolutely embarrassing and unexcusable last night….from Vinny on down (and yes that means Rose too).
Yeah
But he made some changes when it was still early and what 23-7, and it’s not like NOAH OR TYRUS did a thing but make things work. I think perhaps Gray was put in because those two were out partying in LA….
I don’t get the Nocioni snub, not one bit.
I know VDN didn’t start us in a good position, so a little blame there, but good grief our guys have to play like the professionals they are paid to be.
BTW for Matt, well written above, I’d rec that post in a second if I ever wanted to revisit this post.
I am so mad that our team, which has proven it can play, just didn’t come to play. THat was a disgrace for our city. We’re not the 1999 Bulls anymore, we do have actual talent, a lot of it.
Totally agree with this one.
VDN always harps about putting guys in a position to succeed. So starting out with a sucky SG at SF when there’s a slightly better SF/PF around to play SF doesn’t exactly convey that message.
And waiting for 8minutes and a 20pt deficit before admitting their mistake? I know some coaches like players to play through their mistakes but that’s only applicable in cases like when players lose a 5 point lead in 2 minutes, you give them another two minutes to even things up. If they don’t, you get people in there who will even things up.
Haha
My Z-Bo trade idea is gaining momentum now that Hughes has played enough and been enough of a dick to remind everyone what kind of guy he is.
there's nothing wrong with Z-Bo's production
He is a legitimate 20 and 10 guy. Nice shooting touch. Good offensive rebounder.
The only reason the Blazers trade him was the fact that they had Aldridge and Oden (and a couple off the court incidents—there was actually a really funny police report on the SmokingGun i believe from several years ago).
As far as PFs go, Z-Bo can flat out play.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Z-Bo gets his numbers and is (in my opinion) one of the best post scorers in the NBA.
HOWEVER, he’s also one of the worst post defenders in the NBA, which helps negate his post scoring, and he’s a very big ballhog. He also makes a crapload of cash.
He could help the right team, but the young and impressionable Bulls (or, formerly, the Blazers) are not the right fit at all. It isn’t a coincidence that the Blazers offense was rejuvenated and alive after they traded Zach. He is where ball movement goes to die.
Z-Bo needs a strong defensive center next to him who does not want or need the ball on the block and will compensate for his incredibly awful defense. Maybe a Ben Wallace in his prime type. Zach also needs a STRONG personality to overshadow his own dominant personality, to keep him in line and to not be a ballhog.
He is more talented and not that as bad of a person that a lot of people think he is, BUT… he has real problems as a player and trading him for future cap space (and to open up the team to Roy/LMA/Oden) was one of the best moves the Blazers have made.
He’s just not good for a team struggling to find their identity. He will make the team his own. He needs to be going to a team already established and HE has to fit in… if he has to go anywhere else.
Mortimer
at least he can score
Tyrus could stop Aldridge if his life depended on it.
But I agree with your other points about what he does to a team.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
4-13
Against our NBA bottom 5 NBA front court. Remember that statistic.
LMA and Oden should have had career nights against the Bulls at the Rose Garden.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
LMA in a mini-slump
First time he’s had a 3 game slump, but his defense has been good and was a big reason Rose had to give the ball up so much.
You’re right though, he shoulda’ done better offensively… though that’s not the part of his game I worry about. He can and will always be able to score and that’s the only part of his game that is off right now. Rebounding, perimeter defense, steals, blocks, all pretty good.
Oden only played 16, 17 minutes or so, and ended up with a double double and 3 blocks. I wish he had played more because he clearly needs more conditioning, but that’s just asking for trouble in a game already decided.
LMA ain’t the end-all be-all of PFs in the NBA, but he’s pretty good, and can score inside and out. I wish he had a better game, but the good things he DID do were important for the Blazers to jump out ahead and disrupt the Bulls’ gameplan.
One game doesn’t matter, really. If LMA scores 20-sumthin on Tim Duncan, the best PF defender around, and then shoots 4 for 13 against a weak Bulls frontcourt, it doesn’t really mean much on its own. It means LMA had a bad scoring night, except when he went inside.
When someone has done stuff against better opponents before, taking one bad game against inferior opponents as an example of why he isn’t that good isn’t very accurate.
Now seriously, I ain’t trying to hatch a LMA vs Tyrus battle, but what IS the deal with Tyrus? I’ve been a non-Bulls fan who actually had hopes that Tyrus would breakout this year, and he looks like the same ol’ athletic but no skills type we’ve all seen before.
Is it the coaches still not having faith in him and yanking his minutes around? Is it him? He SHOULD be a lot better than he has been playing, since he has the tools.
Maybe he just needs to be on the Travis Outlaw 5 year plan, where he has all the tools but needs to learn how to use them very slowly over a number of years. I did not expect that with Tyrus, but he just seems so ‘off’ out there.
I want him to be good.
Mortimer
Exactly
Aldridge has been in a terrible slump lately and it’s inexcusable and pathetic. You guys wanna trade for him? … just kidding.
But seriously, Mortimer is right on here. Oden and Pryzbilla played second rate minutes but still ended up with like a combined 30 points, 20-something rebounds and 5 or so blocks—what any good center should get against the Bulls.
So yes, Aldridge shot terribly again, which is wierd cuz he was much more consistent and good last year, but I’m also not that concerned about it. He’s still played good D, he’s still 23 years old and learning by the day.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 21, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Also, it's not fair to say that Aldridge should have a career night against the Bulls
because we had like 9 other options offensively, we didn’t need any one guy to have a career night.
The success of the Blazers right now is predicated on using our depth to its fullest and “spreading the wealth” (for you Joe the Plumber fans out there)… it’s not based on individual dominant performances. Brandon Roy is probably the only guy on the team that can do that right now, yet he rarely goes over 25 or 30 points. That’s not his style and it’s not the team’s style.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 21, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Gooden is worthless.
Our supposed veteran constant in our frontcourt is Gooden.
Gooden is absolutely terrible.
-He plays with the mind of a floundering rookie trying to get his feet under him….making stupid mistake, after stupid mistake, after bad shot….
-I’m okay in investing in young players (Tyrus, Noah) who play like floundering rookies, but have no interest in seeing a veteran out there playing like that.
I can’t handle him.
Got to go.
Give Noah and Tyrus all the time. Hell – throw some scrub like Simmons, Gray in there for a couple minutes. Just get that guy off the court.
He acts like he’s the mistake-free vet out playing with the kids. Not close to true – get him out.
Fun with Hollinger Rankings
After last night’s game, Bulls dropped from 12 to 19 and Blazers jumped from 16 to 5. That means of the Bulls 7 losses, 5 have come to teams currently in the top 5 of Hollinger Rankings.
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Not sure why the Blazers
get such a boost for beating a sucky team. It isn’t like they just beat the Lakers or Pistons or Clevland or even the Suns.
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It's all about the point differential
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good teams have blowouts
until now the Bulls hadn’t been blown out, which was a good sign…but they hadn’t had a blowout themselves either.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Celtics game and first Cavs game may not have been as bad as last night
but I’d still qualify those as blowouts.
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oh yeah :-(
definitely the Celtics game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
it's becuase of the 80's and you being the bulls, :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I guess when the disappointment from the coaching hire...
…overbears the excitement of the No. 1 draft pick (as in, the banner), something isn’t going right.
Guy’s an idiot w/ no idea what’s going on. This young team, w/ a new system, should have had a set starting lineup that had its best players w/ the brightest hopes (Rose, Gordon, Deng, Thomas, Noah) be the exact same for a minimum of ten games. The rotations should have been based on time, injuries, players being tired, not match-ups or mood swings.
I quit. Call me in two years when they have a new coach and a new roster.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Chicago
right now is like a bad boyfriend. Decent for a few days, smacking you around the next. I am really trying to distance myself just so I can enjoy what little there is to enjoy. Though last night that would be pretty much nothing.
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I thought it was interesting...
The Blazers would double team Rose after every made basket, getting the ball out of his hands. Should be interesting when all the other teams start to do that as well.
Vinny...you look confused
They did a great job of denying Rose at the start of the possession and the rest of the Bulls finished the job in the half court
Was it just me, or did it seem like Rose barely had the ball last night?
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Defense + Larry Hughes + Coach with no plays
= no Poohdini.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 20, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's how I felt about Rose
I really wanted to watch him play in HD and I don’t think I got a representative sample of his game.
That's the real indictment on Vinny
That he couldn’t draw up a play to capitalize or prevent this.
De gustibus non est disputandum
I don't know if it's VDN or the players there though.
They were always doubling with a big, so somebody should have been going to the basket. Portland was just completely unafraid that one of our PFs or Cs could convert. Tyrus and Noah can’t finish, Gray can’t move, and Gooden prefers to shoot college 3s.
That's where Kirk comes into play
if teams do that to Rose, you need another guy that can bring it up and have Rose run 2 in this stellar offense. BG can’t.
Side note- did anyone else think it was hysterical when Tyrus whipped the ball to Noah and it went into the 3rd row (1st quarter I believe)? Then yell at Noah for not catching it.
Vinny...you look confused
I don't care who brings the ball up
As soon as they cross half court, they need to give it to Rose. He is a PGod and the best player on the team, he should be handling the ball as much as possible, not running off ball plays.
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Ronald Reagan
SNLEY
I agree. That is one knock I had on Derrick. Once BG crossed half court, he did not go get the ball. Now maybe VDN switched BG to point? I would like to see Derrick start running the show more. And be more aggresive as a leader (and that will come with time, just like last year on Memphis).
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Nov 20, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Funny funny stuff
I’m a Blazers / Bulls fan, and last night was bitter sweet. Your Larry Hughes and Aaron Gray rant has me busting up laughing though…..great stuff.
Next time, it’ll be a better game.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
How are we going to maintain our sanity with this terrible team?
The team is constructed terribly. I assume(hope) Paxson is working on a trade. VDN so far is out of his league in coaching ability. We woefully lack talent to compete. Unless there is a miraculous turnaround we will end this trip 5-12.
When are we permitted to start a diary for the 2009 draft?
after the lottery :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Blake Griffin
anyone? He’s being compared favorably to Carlos Boozer…
Orrr we could just skip the middle-man and go get Boozer himself!
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
Screw the draft;
we got our number 1. We just need a few solid trades and free agents. There’s talent here – unbalanced and uncoached, yes, but too much to finish so low.
I can’t take another year hoping for pingpong balls to drop. It completely takes the fun out of the NBA game. You end up rooting for other teams to win and your team to lose.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Oh believe me
I’m in complete agreement. Also, having witness our prolonged stay in the lottery only to emerge into mediocrity, I’m fairly confident that lightning won’t strike twice in two drafts. It was really just dry humor in November.
Boozer on the other hand is less of a joke. Or Brad Miller. Or Chris Kaman. Or any big worth a damn in this league. Or a solid 2010 strategy.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
::salutes::
To all of the above.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I'm done.
This isn’t a break up post so much as the fact this isn’t fun anymore so I am done. See you all after the team is gutted and we get back on track with Rose.
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Don't leave now...
Not under these circumstances.
You and I rarely see eye to eye on this site, but at least we can both respect that we are Bulls fans first. Every team needs a gut check game like this, if not for the players then for the fans.
Notice how this site gained about a thousand new fans AFTER we got the #1 pick (maybe I’m exaggerating, but you know what I mean). I have so many friends that only just started watching the Bulls again, and for some reason they are shocked that Rose is our only potential superstar. At least after a game like this I know they will go away and allow the Bulls to grow a little bit before the expectations are realistic again.
I’m all for fans jumping on the bandwagon when it’s my team, but YOU will aprreciate it all the more when we get a solid free agent in 2010 and return to dominance in the East again.
How much do you despise those Celtic “fans” that claim their fandom only after they aquired KG and Allen? I mean duh, anyone can root for a guaranteed winner. I know that sound sappy, but what’s the point?
We all realize we have some crap on this roster, and the leadership is probably not the best around, but I still believe that with at least Rose we have a glimmer of hope for the future. I just don’t want to be called a fair weather fan when it happens.
Just my opinion, and I hope you at least stick around.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 20, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
I am just stepping back
on the fandom part. It’s nothing personal. I’ll probably still watch the games, but for me the things I do in my free time should be happy things because there is a hellava lot of stuff not to be happy about in the rest of my day. I can just about make it through a game, but rehashing it wears me out. The Bulls are in a holding pattern and until management catches up to the rest of us on what is wrong it will be much the same going out from here. Eventually they’ll catch up and do something, but the conversation can’t progress until they do IMO.
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Ah, come on when they win.
Fair-weathering it is acceptable when the team’s odd like this. :P
Fair-weathering in the Windy City
just doesn’t make sense to me either.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Give her a break.
She is one of the better posters on here. She is a true fan and it breaks her heart to see the way this team is playing.
I'm pretty sue he's a Blazer fan...
FYI.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 20, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
* that should have said "sure"...
not “sue”… Freudian slip.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 20, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
don't leave!
we’d be losing part of the Gordon Gang (me, you, sports2, yfbb…). You’re one of the few I can count on to help back us up when all the naysayers come out
That was the worst game I've ever seen.
Of any sport. Ever.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
i think the worst game i've ever seen
was the bulls vs the wiz in feb of 02 i think it was. they scored like a combined 100 pts. at least in a blowout one team doesn’t suck. they were both horrendous.
I dunno
I thought the game went pretty well!
I can’t imagine any reason why someone would have a problem with that game.
As far as embarassments go, I think the Blazers’ loss to the Lakers on the NBA’s opening night and having Oden go down with a lame ass injury after 3 mins is worse… but I might be approaching it with a pro-Blazer biase (maybe).
I mean, imagine a loss like last night, but add in Rose getting hurt. Man, that game against the Lakers was awful…
You guys still got a really good record for where the team COULD be, similar to my Blazers. Our first 26 games are insanely difficult, but then the record gets creamy smooth in January. If we somehow stay around .500 (even 5 games or so under) by game 26, I’ll be really happy. 18 of those games are on the road, lotsa playoff type teams, just a brutal schedule.
The Bulls are still a playoff team this season to me, but I’ve been really dissapointed by Tyrus. He’s tricked me into drafting him for my fantasy team for the 2nd year in a row, and he’s spit in my fantasy-face with how he plays when I put my faith in him. Every Bulls game (except that good game he had in game #1) he has looked incredibly bad… I really didn’t expect that.
Oh, and I wish Larry Hughes would just be taken to some farm and left to roam free and take bad shots all day, far away from any NBA team. He is just flat out AWFUL. He can’t even get in the passing lanes anymore, which was his specialty many moons ago. There is NO reason to play him unless VDN is getting orders from upstairs to play him… I have no idea WHY, but that COULD be it.
I’ll give VDN the benefit of the doubt that he doesn’t secretly have Downs Syndrome, which is the only reason I could see him wanting to play Hughes.
Good luck this season, and don’t worry… Rose is healthy and awesome. Everything else is just whatever.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 20, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
"Tyrus Thomas spit in my fantasy-face"
Classic Morti. Somebody should make that into his signature tagline.
This is just the manifestation of bad drafts and roster movements
by Paxson and Reinsdorf…..This team is built to be offensively inept.
On to other rantings
Deng is nothing more than an average jumpshooter, who benefited on the drive and kick setups (notice how his production went down when that system went away).
LaMarcus for Tyrus, I hated that from the start and even more watching him post-up and dunk all night long.
Starting Hughes is not as bad as starting Ben Wallace and hoping for miracle scoring layup (I still rather have Hughes).
Gordon, although I didnt want to draft him, I have come to like his shot and desire to score, but his selection, defense and turnover-laden possessions makes me think twice about passing Iguodala 9put Deng in there too).
Noah cant jump and gets “beasted” (his word) on the blocks. This is the best he is going to get. Gotta live with it.
Pretty much, Noah, Thabo, and Tyrus have no offensive game. Thabo and Tyrus would greatly improve if they developed a jumpshot in the off season. So, stop screaming about playing time for them to develop, they will not develop in the season unless they worked in the offseason.
The entire team (minus Rose) is tradeable, but honestly who wants a bunch of subpar role players.
"Who did we think we were"
Noah, Thabo and Tyrus
Replace that with Hawes, Brewer and Aldridge and you get an idea of how bad pax has screwed us. He simply can’t judge talent. Not a good trait for your gm. Throw in Wallace and not trading “untouchable” Deng for Gasol and its not hard to see why we suck so bad. Can anyone imagine where this team would be without lucking into Rose?
by windycityhoops on Nov 20, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
You were fine until you said "not trading...Deng...for Gasol."
Dammit.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
LMA/TT etc
I believe the reason we passed on Roy was because the Bulls thought they were solid at SG with BG. Wrong.
Then this year all kinds of teams were selling late 1st round draft choices while Batum was still on the board.
Why did you guys cut Viktor Khryapa?
he was the real gem in that LMA/TT trade…
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 21, 2008 2:55 AM CST up reply actions
We did Viktor right
Bought him out in time so he could link up with a Euro club.
I thought we should have given him more burn to close the season. We had nothing to lose. Viktor did though.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I really liked him when he was in Portland. Our starting SF
(on one of the worst teams in franchise history, but he seemed like a good guy and hustled).
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 21, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
D'Antoni's smart enough not to play (and definitely not start) "Starbury" and Eddy Curry
who are both either disgruntled or out-of-shape now. Unlike Isiah Thomas.
Vinny and the rest of the Bulls coaching staff isn’t as smart with their lineup.
So, to summarize, yesterday :
VINNY= ISIAH THOMAS
Damn it.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 20, 2008 1:56 PM CST reply actions
Not Vinny's fault
That his starting SG couldnt get on the rides at six flags….the squad is undermanned and undersized…. He is simply playing the hand he was dealt.
"Who did we think we were"
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?
With the exception of Rose, Noce, Noah, and Deng (even from the bench) the entire team was laughing and joking while getting their asses handed to them. Being embarassed on national TV must amuse them! Gordon is running around trying to pad his stat sheet and everyone else gave up. Have some pride.
The worst part is it looks like Rose finally gave up on his teammates tonight (I don’t blame him) it was early in the 3rd when Gordon was trying to do his one man show. With the exception of the players I mentioned earlier, do any of these guys even give a s%$t?
I just have to refer to the Great One’s quote on my sig….
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
you watched the 3rd quarter?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
It wasn't easy
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Nov 20, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I made the same mistake
I was hoping for an explosion by Rose to help make up for the first half. Instead, it was just a lot of Gooden, Gordon, and Hughes. After awhile, it was just like a bad car accident you can’t look away from
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I think I'd rather be a lottery team
Vinny is losing me and our frontcourt is a bunch of toddlers with soiled diapers.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
Worst frontcourt in the NBA...
PF and C rotation mostly. Not one consistently decent player among them.
With being so stacked at guard you’d think we would have made a trade by now, but I guess Kirk being hurt puts a damper on that statement.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 20, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
If we were getting production at the 3
I wouldn’t care as much about our 4 and 5. Right now we’re hovering around 18th in the league at the position while our guards are top 10.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 20, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Front Court
This team is beyond crap except for rose of course.There interior D is just atrocious.
Bulls shouldnt be allow to play on national tv anymore.
I think, in regards to our frontcourt:
-Tyrus has been showing signs of coming out of stupidity. Like, more signs than usual. [Still not enough signs to suggest he will be Shawn Kemp, which is where he SHOULD be. Garh. But he’ll be acceptable, I think.]
-Noah will suck for the rest of this year, and next year he will return to his rookie-season PER form [with a small improvement]. He really didn’t seem to care over the offseason. I think he will after the massive amount of suck he’s laying this year. He needs to be in perfect shape/etc. to have a good effect on the team.
What IS wrong with Noah?
Did he just not work out over the summer?
There’s no reason he can’t be as helpful as Verajao(sp?), or Przybilla (with less veteran experience), or even Ben Wallace. Just hustle and bring energy. I know Oden is a horrible matchup for him, but in every Bulls’ game I’ve watched he just looks slow and uncaring.
What happened to that annoying kid everyone hated in college? Is he hurt?
If it really is just laziness, that really really sucks… and it’s crazy that he woulda’ prolly gone #1 in the ’06 draft, if he had left after the first championship game. I was never a fan of him as a high lottery pick, but as a solid hustling role player he SHOULD be really good. Getting him at #9 is good value, I still think.
Unless this current Noah is the one that’s here to stay. Just doesn’t seem like the same kid at all.
Mortimer
I don't understand why he hasn't been improving more during the off season
I mean, he has such a great attitude and all.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 20, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
He likes to win,
and he yells on the bench and everything.
Frankly, I just think he’s out of shape. Maybe he’s not. He should be doing a lot better than he is.
I’m a big Noah fan. It sucks to watch him kind of bottom out like this. :/
Garbage Time
Tyrus looked good against the scrubs Portland played near the end.Wasn’t it like the 3rd unit for Christ sake? I was a huge tyrus supporter but this is unacceptable.Vinny cant play him for 30 mins and get nothing in return.
i just hope
for a repeat of his performance against golden state, when he took over the game and won it for us… i know it’s dreaming. :P
Going to desperately need that kind of performance against Biedrens
Unless they can get him in foul trouble, Biedrens could get 20 boards against this front line
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Well, he spent some time in Florida this summer...
and his dad’s Manhatten apartment. There’s only so much time in a summer. Hard to fit everything in.
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