Post Lakers loss pre-bedtime thoughts
Considering how outgunned the Bulls are against a team like the Lakers, especially in the frontcourt, the first half was an admirable effort.
Gordon was cold all night, but was at least still attacking the rim. Rose tried to pull them back with spurts of brilliance, but he wasn't enough.
I thought Luol Deng looked pretty terrible, including two awful early turnovers: one where he got caught in the air, and another inbounding the ball. Though he was charged with guarding Kobe, and that usually warranted Kirk Hinrich a free pass on the offensive end.
But it's the frontcourt that really separates the Bulls and the Lakers, and it showed tonight. Drew Gooden was in foul trouble, Noah had a particularly ineffective first half (he was better in the 2nd) so it meant a lot of Aaron Gray.
Gray actually did alright by his standards, getting a few dunks, and it helped that Tyrus Thomas was in there with him (Vinny followed Scotter's rotation rules) and playing well. Together they were part of a lineup that actually made up ground, and a lot had to do with Thomas' defense (and some nice passing) allowing the Bulls to run, a time where the Lakers loafed a bit. When the Lakers were set on defense they were very agressive on the wings, pressuring the Bulls into double-digit turnovers in the first half.
Vinny then stuck with big Aaron a bit too long, and things eventually went bad. He was in relatively early in the 2nd half too. There was the typically deadly pairing with Noc, and Lamar Odom took advantage of Noc's spaciness on defense.
I started writing this once I saw the fourth quarter open with Hunter/Hughes/Noc/Thomas/Gray. They actually held it close enough to warrant bringing Rose/Gordon back, and the Bulls closed the game back to 10 with the ball...and then Aaron Gray telegraphed a pass that wound up giving the Lakers a fast break basket.
Not that Gray's the single reason the expected result happened tonight, but it shows the talent disparity, though some of that is seemingly with Vinny exacerbating the situation (it's not like Gray played himself 21 minutes).
Ah well. There's another game tomorrow where that disparity won't be so high, and at least some of the rotation players got some rest, with Rose getting 'only' 35 minutes.
Other thoughts:
- Either Gordon gets fouled a lot, or he has really bad body control when heading into the lane. I think it's somewhere in the middle. He does get hacked, but you can see the difference between him and Rose when they get fouled. Rose was getting hit so often early Vinny was actually up and screaming.
- Hughes is still confirming he's terrible, yet maybe it'll take a dozen or so games before someone affiliated with the Bulls realizes it. Especially considering that he's in the game when Gordon's running the point, there's no reason Hughes plays ahead of Thabo except for the paycheck.
- Bulls got the Lakers in the penalty real early in the 2nd quarter, but did nothing with it.
- Pau Gasol sure looked like someone worth trading for.
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Gray wouldn't have played so much if Noah was even decent
Noah’s been the biggest disappointment for me so far. He doesn’t look like he’s learned a single offensive move, and he’s obviously not in the best condition.
by Big D on Nov 19, 2008 12:17 AM CST 0 recs
You're right
Noah’s regressed even. He looks lost on offense, and not much better on defense honestly.
However I will say this: last year it was widely reported that Noah was slow to learn the offense. Well, this year there is a new offense, and while this is by no means a legitimate explanation for his general shittiness, I expect he will get better as his conditioning improves and his grasp of the offense grows stronger. I just hope this doesn’t become a yearly ritual.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Nov 19, 2008 12:35 AM CST
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I don't think Noah's worse
I think he just came into this season woefully unprepared. It’s a bad sign for yet another pick by ‘good character’ Paxson, but in terms of this season I think he’ll eventually be fine. It doesn’t seem that he has the type of game that should fluctuate much.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 12:37 AM CST
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The "good character" rap is getting dated.
A better rap would be that he picks “winners”. TT was/is not a “great character” dude. How about that slam dunk contest? Character would have picked Aldridge. Mybe he should have. And Noah was/is not a “great character” dude. And rose was/is better than Beasley. And more importantly to Paxson (and I agree), Rose is a winner.
Look at the Denver and Detroit trade. AI is a HOFer, but I don’t want him on the Bulls. Billups on the other hand never overwhelms you, but he is a winner. He is all about team basketball and winning, not scoring, stats, going one-on-one, etc. I think this is an underrated aspect of the NBA. Beasley, Durant, Carmelo, AI, Vinsanity, T-Mac, Stevie Franchise, Starbury. All had their heyday of being “superstars”, but none of them are winners. The one guy you could argue could work with someone else here is Melo. It worked with Team USA, but there were other All NBA guys all over the team then. I would have gone with Wade over everyone but LBJ and that is the way I felt during the draft, not just after Wade has won a championship.
Sorry I got on a soap box. Maybe I should have made this a FanPost or something.
by Unrealcity on
Nov 19, 2008 2:58 AM CST
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Should explain the "slam dunk contest"? Or just let you wallow in ignorance.
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by tyger1147 on
Nov 19, 2008 8:57 AM CST
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I think 'character' may have played a factor in not taking Aldridge too
he was labeled as ‘soft’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 9:08 AM CST
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Tyrus' smart possessions.
Tyrus drove the lane 3 times last night. 3 smart moves produced 6 points nice and fast.
Tyrus startled the defense, and used his ability to move to the basket. He also played good defense on a tough assignment(s).
Last night was Tyrus’ best performance of this season. (Now, if only Tyrus could play WITH Rose.)
by chicago-homesick-blues on
Nov 19, 2008 10:20 AM CST
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he looked so good in the preseason, too
i wish he could have carried it over.
by Jaina on
Nov 19, 2008 11:24 AM CST
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There still is plenty of time
and I think he will get it all together. Maybe I’ll add this to my Christmas list too. ;-)
by sue369 on
Nov 19, 2008 1:20 PM CST
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I would settle for Noah being
the second coming of Spider Salley.
by Granny Waiters on
Nov 19, 2008 7:28 PM CST
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I think you're right about the new system.
I do think it is a factor to why Noah looks so bad. And I do think he will improve. But if he spent less time partying and more time on his profession, learning the new system, it would be nice. If my job were to implement a new system, I would have to learn it right away. I would be forced to stay late, or take the manual home and get it working. I would probably have a week to get it down and a month or so where a mistake (small) here or there were dismissed. But he looks like he doesn’t know what he is doing out there at all. It has been disappointing to me.
But most disappointing to me has been Luol. I will say that it is harder to “relearn” something once you have established it. And Deng certainly was comfortable with what worked for him for the last four years. But he needs to get with the coaching staff and ask how he can be more effective or ask the questions he is having about where they want him. If he is and this is the help they are giving him, then it’s on the coaches, but something needs to get figured out here.
by Unrealcity on
Nov 19, 2008 3:04 AM CST
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Somebody suggest to VDN that Gooden is not a center
Gasol was averaging 2 points per minute against Gooden
by BigWay on
Nov 19, 2008 12:46 AM CST
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I've been forwarding him your posts
Gooden’s not a center. But Noah’s barely one, and nobody else is at all. I put that on Paxson, not Vinny.
Besides, Gasol isn’t the center for the Lakers either.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 12:48 AM CST
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I'm dissappointed with Noah, but
He is still a better option at center than Gooden. I think that he would actually start to play better as he got regular minutes, he certainly did last season after we got rid of the big Mope Wallace.
Gasol played center for about half of his time on the court, he plays all the post minutes when Bynum is out.
It just seems to me that VDN punishes Noah in a way that he doesn’t anyone else. If he treated the others the same way, Rose would be the only one left on the court by the 6 minute mark of the first quarter.
Gray is extremely limited, but he performed better tonight than Gooden did as a center. Gooden is a 4, and only a 4, so no matter how badly Noah and Gray look it drives me nuts that VDN keeps try to pound a square peg(Gooden) into a round hole(the center position)
by BigWay on
Nov 19, 2008 1:12 AM CST
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I agree that I hate seeing Gooden at Center.
But as to Noah being better or would get better, I agree and disagree. I think he is being pulled quickly because of practice. I think he is having a hard time with the new system and when he proves that he still isn’t getting it in the beginning of games, they pull him. I think you are right that he improved as the year went on last year and that it will happen again, but I think this is due to him getting the system figured out, which he clearly has not yet.
by Unrealcity on
Nov 19, 2008 3:07 AM CST
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Wow.
Gordon sucks all night and Gray contributes positively, yet you find a way to spin it…
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 19, 2008 12:17 AM CST 0 recs
heh
at least I spin towards the good players.
Your jumping on Gordon’s bad shooting night (for some reason I ventured into the game threa)…it’s just silly. I’m making a scoffing smirking face as I type this, trust me. I pretty much consider any points you have regarding him tainted with taint.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 12:21 AM CST
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for example
I said Gordon was cold all night. That means he wasn’t hitting shots. Sorry I can’t be more rough on the team’s second best player. ass.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 12:21 AM CST
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You also said he was attacking the rim.
Like that is somehow a redemption for missing 17 shots. Suck is suck, just call it evenly across the board, while refraining from calling your readers names…
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on
Nov 19, 2008 12:28 AM CST
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you do not deserve to be reasoned with
take a few deep breaths. gordon = good. gray hopes to be will perdue one day.
by lampnasty on
Nov 19, 2008 12:31 AM CST
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good point
I will now abstain from fights with D2.0 regarding Gordon. It was very therapeutic when confronted with the ‘Tyrus is stoopid I alwayzz nu thi$!’ crowd.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 12:35 AM CST
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i understand anger after a loss
and people can come to some weird conclusions about the game . But ragging on a good player for having an off night in the staples center against one of the best defensive squads in the league does not get a pass from me.
by lampnasty on
Nov 19, 2008 12:41 AM CST
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Exactly, "good player".
But not great. He bugs me with his inconsistency. Rose is consistent. That is why I can’t find enough guards in the East to keep him off the All-Star team. I might write about this soon. Hollinger is wrong about this one, Rose is definitely an All-Star right now. But Gordon is like Ray Allen (now, not when he was a perennial All-Star) or Michael Redd or Rip Hamilton to me. I don’t like any of them. I would rather have 18 every night then 35 one night and 2 the next. And I know that Rip and Ray have rings and the distinction I will make is that neither is their teams second best player. And certainly not best (as Ben suggested by his “I’m the leading scorer. Who do you think should get the most money?” talk). I like BG. I want us to resign him and I keeping hoping each game that he gets easier shots next to Rose he is a little more inclined to stay. I’m just saying that we have to be rational/balanced when talking about him. It seems you either have to be in the “BG SUCKS!” camp or the “PAY HIM WHATEVER HE WANTS!” camp and I think both are wrong and bad for the team. If we overpay Ben, then in a year (or two at most) everyone on here will be posting everyday about the terrible BG contract that is the weight around our necks and how we would be contenders if not for his terrible contract that is eating up all our cap. I’m just saying.
by Unrealcity on
Nov 19, 2008 3:18 AM CST
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It's enough we (some at least)
are already saying this about Kirk and Noce’s contracts. And WILL be saying it about Deng soon. BG’s contract needs to be reasonable for the Bulls. I have my doubts…
by BAB-Bass on
Nov 19, 2008 4:00 AM CST
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I think that unless Deng is actually getting worse
you can get away with overpaying him, as at least he has a floor of being good. Same with Gordon. Hinrich’s deal is fine as long as last year was an aberration and he didn’t have the future star of the team playing his position.
Noc, that was just a bad idea from the outset, given that he had known limitations in terms of performance and role with the team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 9:07 AM CST
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Exactly.
You hated that deal before it was even officially announced. He was a known 6th or 7th man w/ Deng ahead of him and there was no way he was ever going to be a starting PF.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on
Nov 19, 2008 9:17 AM CST
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i think the worst issue with
him is his salary. But he carries some strenghts that our other bigs just don’t have. He may not be the answer at the 4, but he brings something to the table that noah tyrus and gooden do not.
by gman2849 on
Nov 19, 2008 9:37 PM CST
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if there is one model of consistency
it’s rip hamilton… he is exactly the type of player who will give you 18 every night
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by Murcy on
Nov 19, 2008 4:37 PM CST
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Actually, Gordon = clown on the court
unfortunately, he is not funny, he is painfull to watch. He is the George Muresan of the midgets.
by BigWay on
Nov 19, 2008 12:49 AM CST
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you're deranged when it comes to Gordon
It is redemption, because while missing shots he usually makes he was attacking the rim, trying to create offense. He had a bad game. It was like the 6th worst game out of the roster tonight, and Gordon’s been the 2nd best player on the team this season.
Heck, I even said Gray had a good game by his standards.
So try having a thought instead of worrying about my ‘spin’. You ass.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 12:31 AM CST
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hehe
I just remembered that you are the guy who always says Gray is ‘fundamentally sound’ :-D
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 12:32 AM CST
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Again.
Why resort to name calling?
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on
Nov 19, 2008 12:36 AM CST
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because I wish to insult you personally
as I consider comments about my ‘spin’ or ‘bias’ to be personal in nature. So just take it, and as long as I do a diligent job ignoring your points regarding most of the team, I’ll be alright.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 12:40 AM CST
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Haha
I don’t know why, but this made me laugh out loud. It’s the old ask a stupid question get a stupid answer bit that always gets me… well played Matt.
Why resort to name calling?
because I wish to insult you personally
by kidronmusic on
Nov 19, 2008 1:01 AM CST
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Oh yeah.
I remember, I am an ass for pointing out that Gordon only missed two shots in the paint, while missing 15 outside the paint…clearly he was attacking the rim.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on
Nov 19, 2008 12:41 AM CST
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There were 3 bad shots in there
The others were good looks. Have you ever taken a course in probability, or statistics, or simply pondered mathematics? These things happen – you play 82 games and in some number of them a good player will have an awful field goal percentage even with good decision-making and relatively high-percentage shots. The proper response to such a game is not to freak out.
Picking on BG for any offensive weaknesses is preposterous … it’s ignoring the real problems this team has on offense and blaming its 2nd best offensive player.
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by Jivas on
Nov 19, 2008 12:46 AM CST
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Gordon does not play well with Rose
He looks him off and refuses to give it up to him to run the offense. I can’t stand watching it because he would get better looks if he let Rose create.
And what was wrong with Deng? That baseline jumper used to be automatic. I can see D Rose getting frustrated with guys missing wide open shots.
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on
Nov 19, 2008 12:26 PM CST
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Isn't every team required to have
a big, stiff white guy? Gray plays that role effectively at minimum salary.
by Granny Waiters on
Nov 19, 2008 7:36 PM CST
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I'm sorry, but you're an idiot
Gordon having an off shooting night (when he did get to the FT line 10+ times) is considered as him sucking? Talk about spinning it. Players ARE allowed to have off shooting nights right? He did everything else decently…passing, defense, etc. Go away.
by NormVanBeer on
Nov 19, 2008 8:20 AM CST
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And frankly,
those were good shots he missed. Rose got him open, he shot them, they looked good, but didn’t go in. It happens; and I’d rather BG shooting those shots than anybody else on the team. Additionally, the man BG was guarding – 6’10 Radmonovich – exploited him for all of 5 points on 1/4 shooting.
Our starting backcourt went for 48 pts, 13 assists and 8 rebounds on an off shooting night. And this is our problem?
We lost because our interior is relatively small and unskilled in comparison to the Lakers’ interior. Nocioni led us in rebounding and Gray led non-guards in scoring. Not gonna win that way.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Nov 19, 2008 8:45 AM CST
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Although I must say,
Gray did well in there. Needs to work on his free throws, but if continues to get stronger, leaner, and improve his conditioning…well, the dude’s 7’1, strong, and actually has post-moves.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Nov 19, 2008 8:48 AM CST
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being able to make free throws would be a huge plus
but he shot 57% last year, 42% this year. His last two seasons in college were 63% and 54%.
He’s terrible from the line, and outside of some Brendan Haywood shotdoctor-aided change, I don’t see it getting much better. Which is a shame because his inability to jump actually could mean he’d draw more fouls :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2008 9:12 AM CST
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Ouch
on both accounts. Time to call Brendan’s shot doctor.
And remember those “jumping” shoes with the weird platforms at the toe? If everyone donated a buck, maybe BaB could send a pair over to Aaron. The “Elevate Aaron” fund.
It’ll work. It must.
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by MPG on
Nov 19, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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Its funny...
looking at the predraft measurements at draftexpress…Gray’s no step vert was an inch higher than Durants (His max vert was an inch lower) Even though Durant isn’t above the rim, who would’ve thought that?
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by jpchi on
Nov 19, 2008 11:00 AM CST
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Wow!
That really points out the importance of being a quick leaper in addition to a high one, because I’ve seen Durant throw down some nasty dunks. Who knows, though? Gray lost 30 lbs in the offseason; that’s a hard thing for a big fella. If he continues to work, and finds that free-throw doctor, he might become a Marc Gasol type banger.
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by MPG on
Nov 19, 2008 11:10 AM CST
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Heh, I don't think it's that hard.
It’s easy to lose 30lbs when you weigh 300+ to start with. He got down to what, 275lb?
NBA centers seem to be pretty good sized already when they’re 250-260. I think with a strong workout program, Gray could get there. He still wouldn’t be fast, but he’d go from being dismally slow to just slow. And he’d still be stronger than damn near everyone he faces.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on
Nov 19, 2008 12:01 PM CST
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Gray's problem is more lateral quickness
than speed, and I don’t believe dropping another 20 lbs is going to make a significant difference in his lateral quickness.
He could be an effective player (As long as Thomas is on the floor with him) if he improves his FTs and reduces his turnovers. That’s a pretty big IF right now.
by Scotter on
Nov 19, 2008 12:34 PM CST
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Perhaps
But I think he’d be a better player at 255-260 than at 275-280.
I’d love to be proven wrong though!
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by Sports2 on
Nov 19, 2008 2:32 PM CST
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Better yes. Nothing dramatic, and I doubt that he could
ever sustain 255-260.
by Scotter on
Nov 19, 2008 2:47 PM CST
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It's my hope
that by the time he’s dropped the weight and developed a consistant free-throw shot, we’ll have either developed Noah and Tyrus or acquired genuine NBA starters at the pf and center. If he does those things, he can then be an excellent back up.
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by MPG on
Nov 19, 2008 3:13 PM CST
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Biggest problem
I think Gray can be a decent back-up. My biggest problem is opponents taking a rebound over him when he has position. Both Gasol and Bynum did it last night, and it appens almost every game. There’s no physical reason he can’t box out.
by El Toro de Goro on
Nov 19, 2008 5:20 PM CST
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I thought Gordon sucked too
but then I saw he had 18 points in the first half and I had no idea how he reached 18. It looked like brick city to me. He still got to the line, but when the shots aren’t falling and the you’re in the bonus with 7 minutes remaining in the 2nd quarter you have to attack the rim on every possession.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Nov 19, 2008 9:04 AM CST
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Ben had a bad game
but man the guy still put up 20 plus points. Give credit where credit is due! He’s def not the reason we lost. Our big need to play better. Alot better. The one thing i do hate about BG is him ignoring D Rose. What is he thinking? Its like he’s clueless as so what this kid can do for him sometimes! Wake up Ben. You want a trillion dollars start playing with d rose better. Gooden is a terrible defender and not a center. Noah needs to add some weight / muscle because he’s a bi@#!. Tyrus needs to stay near the basket, i swear i want to strangle him when i see him at the top of the key every GDAM play.
by Bulls4Ever on
Nov 19, 2008 1:04 PM CST
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Gooden's rebounding is atrocious too.
He doesn’t box out well at all.
by CrashDavis on
Nov 19, 2008 2:02 PM CST
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Pau just looked like that cause our interior defense sucked all night long.
Props to Noah, Grey, and Gooden. Thank you Paxson!
by dannyp07 on Nov 19, 2008 12:20 AM CST 0 recs
If Derrick Rose is "unstoppable" than Luol Deng is "stoppable".
I’m not gonna bitch and moan about his contract, but how can a guy that just got asignificant deal like that (I know it’s right around market value) totally dissapear like that. It’s as if he didn’t play at all. And this happens a lot. Just take a look at Danny Granger he got a smaller deal than Deng and he is superior by far imo.
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 19, 2008 12:22 AM CST 0 recs
If you hear the pundits they're saying Deng is suffering because the Bulls are running a guard-centric offense.
Yet, how does that account for Deng bricking up Rose assist after Rose assist?
by Playboy_Bull on
Nov 19, 2008 12:24 AM CST
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He better get used to it
This is going to be a guard-centered offense for the next 10-15 years, so if he can’t adjust to it, then he’ll be pretty useless.
by Big D on
Nov 19, 2008 12:25 AM CST
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Right. Deng needs to step up.
Like From The Window To Luol said, we need Deng to be our second best player. And like I said, we need Ben to not be our second best player.
by Unrealcity on
Nov 19, 2008 3:24 AM CST
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meh
Granger isn’t an improvement for us at the SF position either. He wants to jack up threes as fast as Stephen Jackson.
Rose is too good to get practically nothing out of our SF position. I guess we can hope that we see more Thabo tonight because I really don’t want to see Noc starting.
In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Nov 19, 2008 9:06 AM CST
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I like how yfBB mentioned...
…that Hinrich always gets the “well-he-guarded-the-other-team’s-bestest-player-so-of-course-his-offense-struggled” treatment, and everyone knows Deng will NEVER get that from the majority.
Deng is a third option offensively. Those guys aren’t consistent, almost by definition. While it hasn’t been outstanding, I’ve been fairly pleased with Deng as a whole this year. He’s the least of the Bulls problems for the long-term… at least as long as he remains the Bulls 3rd or 4th focus for the year.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on
Nov 19, 2008 9:16 AM CST
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I just worry
that he can’t hit a mid range jumper to save his life. Odds are it’s slumping. But he seemingly costs Rose 2 assists a game.
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