Bulls sign Lindsey Hunter

I like it

no need for Rose to notch as many minutes as he is.

by silentpete on Nov 13, 2008 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Capologists?

Does this put the Bulls into the TAX???

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 13, 2008 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Should't.

I think the still have about 2 mil before they hit that threshold.

"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"

by Bigred15 on Nov 13, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where'd you get that number?

There’s been a lot of thorough analysis and explanation that shows it’s much less.

by tyger1147 on Nov 13, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I never said I was sure of the number.

"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"

by Bigred15 on Nov 13, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't say you did. Just wondering where you came up with it.

by tyger1147 on Nov 13, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, I swagged it.

Last stuff I read on it said we were about 8 mil below before the BG qual offer signing. 8ish minus 6.4 equals 1.5 to 2.

"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"

by Bigred15 on Nov 13, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I will give my best capologist impersonation.

Best I can tell from various salary sources, signing this deal will put the Bulls just into the Luxury Tax…The Bulls are responsible for the pro-rated amount of Hunter’s salary of vet’s minimum of $719,373, or $649,190…The project Tax threshold is $71.15M and the Bulls team salary is currently (counting the pro-rated Hunter) $71.195M. So we are $45k over the tax, but its not a big deal because Nichols’ contract is not guaranteed, so we can waive to save the additional $$$.

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 13, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

here's my theory

they wouldn’t sign him if it meant tax, so it’s inherently impossible that they go into the tax :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

according to the trib

(and the espn article cited below), hunter’s contract isn’t guaranteed either, so i assume they could release him when hinrich returns and thus not pay the tax.

by Jaina on Nov 13, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently dallasbasketball.com

is the source to go to for your bulls news. Way to break down those doors K.C!

by DangerMouse on Nov 13, 2008 11:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Two things; Hinrichs injury might be worse than perceived and is a cut or trade coming?

by J Theory on Nov 13, 2008 11:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

isn't 3 months worse enough?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 13, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

3 months is about 1/2 of the season…..

by majoyenrac on Nov 13, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

True

by J Theory on Nov 13, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Now that Lindsey is in Chicago

everyone watch out and do not listen to his business plans or buy a house from him.

http://www.flippingfrenzy.com/2008/08/25/lindsey-hunter-and-mortgage-fraud/

by J Theory on Nov 13, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

From Steve Weinman @ CelticsBlog

blockquote>Hunter is a true ball hawk in every sense. This is a guy who has no problem putting the pressure on full from the second he gets on the court until he leaves it. He rags opposing ball-handlers from coast to coast, occasionally teaching opponents the hard way that they should avoid lackadaisical inbounds passes and attempts to walk the ball up floor. Hunter is reputed to have great strength for a 6-2, 170-pound point guard, and he uses his body effectively to make up for the quickness that he has lost over the years.

Hunter forces the ball out of opposing point guards’ hands, and he is particularly useful against reserve combo guards running the point who have less-than-superb ball-handling skills. He can make life in the backcourt a nightmare for those players, forcing either rushed offense, turnovers or a shorter rest than anticipated for the opposing starters. All of these are benefits for Hunter’s team. Though his sample size was small with Detroit last season, it’s worth remembering that the Pistons were 2.1 points better per 100 possessions defensively with Hunter on the floor than without him. He also held opposing point guards to just 46.8 percent effective field goal shooting in that span.

Lindsey Hunter may be 37 years old, but he is the consummate professional and the provider of a rare mix of experience and skill set in today’s NBA. He has played in 141 playoff games and won two NBA titles. While he might not have loomed large in the box scores for many of those games, this is a man who made his presence felt when he got on the floor. At the veteran’s minimum, it’s hard to believe he won’t be getting a shot to get on the floor again somewhere this season.

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 13, 2008 11:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Damn

windows computers…

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Nov 13, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

6-2!?!

In the other thread someone called him tall…

--Torch

by torch on Nov 13, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good signing.

"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"

by Bigred15 on Nov 13, 2008 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Dang I was going to keep typing...

Rose will benefit from Hunter in more way then one. Hopefully Hunter will play some good minutes. Plus Rose could learn alot from someone who has been a PG as long as Hunter has.

"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"

by Bigred15 on Nov 13, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

DRose must be really sore?

by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 13, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I remember watching him his rookie year, dude was lightning fast.

Thought his knickname should be Hurricane Hunter.
Must still be pretty fast to stay in the league for so long.

Funny, watching how fast DRose is, I thought…the last time I remember being wowed by speed was Hunter. He’s never had the hops or shot that DRose has, but Hunter has been a pretty good backup in the league.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 13, 2008 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

he was great on the fast break, but without the all-star ability of taking it to the hoop

by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 13, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Welcome 2 the Bulls Lindsey

Always respected your game

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo

by Belize on Nov 13, 2008 11:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

agree

by exult463 on Nov 13, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was going to say I don't get this right now...

…especially w/ Hughes coming back. I was hoping this was maybe an indication that the Bulls don’t like Hughes as much as everyone pretends. I guess this does make sense as an insurance sign for Rose getting hurt. Or Hughes getting hurt again.

Having only Gordon, Sefolosha and Hughes as the guards, even for only a few games, would be utterly disastrous.

by tyger1147 on Nov 13, 2008 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That's the only reason i see us signing Hunter

Why the hell would the bulls want another guard, when we complained so much of having a ton of guards and don’t having enough minutes to play them all?

Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!

by bull83 on Nov 13, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I'm not too sure

I understand everyone’s excitement. Lindsey had less than mop-up duties last season.

I guess his straw was pulled in the “Old guy free agent point guard” sweepstakes between him, Darrell Armstrong, and Damon Stoudemire.

It’s “meh” for me…but hopefully he can bring something (not quite sure what) to the table.

by NormVanBeer on Nov 13, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

I mean, why the heck is he here? My guess is that it’s not to be “lightning quick” and take the ball to the rack or play major minutes. I think it’s pure insurance in case they go into a game and end up not being able to get the ball past half court (Thabo). Or in case of injury.

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by bullhockey on Nov 13, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

i don’t mind him being able to spell rose for 10 minutes or something, cause rose needs to get his minutes down.

by Jaina on Nov 13, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm thinking more like 6 minutes...

…and an insurance policy for when Rose gets even more banged up and needs a night off (although I don’t believe Rose will let that happen).

by smash! on Nov 13, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that's fine too

i was kinda only saying 10 depending on what sorta minutes hughes may get (especially if he isn’t returning tonight). but yeah, basically a spot check.

by Jaina on Nov 13, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

(not quite sure what)

Experience, veteran-eee stuff, strong work ethic.

I like it the signing. F the luxury tax. The organization brought this on themselves. Although, isn’t there some veteran exemption stuff in the CBA?

Either way, we were thin at guard with or without Hughes.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 13, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Experience, veteran-eee stuff, strong work ethic

that stuff is overrated

by NormVanBeer on Nov 13, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Paxson isn't happy

if he doesn’t have at least three small guards(under 6’3") suited up and ready to play.

Small ball makes him feel warm and cozy…. I wanted to replace “ball” with “balls”, but I think not.

by exult463 on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He is here

because Derrick Rose is the future of this franchise and he absolutely does not need to be playing nearly 40 mpg. With Hinrich out, this had to be done because both Hughes and BG are incompetent floor-generals. Even if Hunter plays 6 mpg, that takes rose down closer to 30 mpg rather than 40 mpg, and that will do wonders for his health both in the short term and more importanly in the long run.

Good signing.

by kwintz on Nov 13, 2008 12:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i think we all understand

WHY he was signed. What I don’t get is everyone going crazy over it. About how he is “lightening quick” and how he will "play good minutes’.

I expect nothing more than 5 minutes per half of him simply managing the game. No lightening quick moves, not much scoring, if at all…not much of anything. Pretty much as if Duhon were back.

by NormVanBeer on Nov 13, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he's much worse, actually

but whatever, he’s an emergency PG.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 13, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just wish they would have signed him in the summer...

…and traded Hinrich. Or kept Washington. Wouldn’t have been ideal, but getting max value for Hinrich is…

by tyger1147 on Nov 13, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

comes cheaper than duhon though...

by Jaina on Nov 13, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

10 minutes is good

When we get Gooden back Thabo will return to playing guard minutes and not SF minutes.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 13, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope I hope I hope

that this means “bye bye” to some of our other players. I don’t think you make this signing unless (a) you’re in “win now” mode as a contender (maybe Pax is that delusional, but I don’t think so), or (b) you’re going to need the depth. As of now, we don’t need the depth. I hope Pax creates a need for depth by shipping out some peeps.

by arjoseph on Nov 13, 2008 12:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think the need was that Hinrich's out 3 months

and Larry Hughes is Larry Hughes. Though that’s encouraging if they, unlike Stacy King, realize Hughes is worthless.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 13, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll believe that when I see it.

For now, I’m still expecting Hughes to start after a few games.

by JeffD on Nov 13, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not expecting any moves

And you shouldn’t expect too. One of our best assets, at least the one that some teams would want to trade for and the one that could get us something good in return, is out for three months… Who would trade for Hughes?

Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!

by bull83 on Nov 13, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He is what he is

He is a solid backup point guard who will play smart basketball and good defense when Rose is not on the court. He is also a good player to help Rose mature and learn NBA personnel.IMO Now we can only hope there are some BIG moves coming.

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by bennythebull on Nov 13, 2008 12:57 PM CST reply actions 6 recs

You said it best.

rec

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 13, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Observer...

At least we agree on something :)

by JacksonM on Nov 13, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So this means they don't trust Thabo or Hughes' defense?

I like the signing. It’s not like he deserves routine minutes like Kirk, but he’s still an intelligent player who can give us spot duty at the PG spot and play solid (and he gets away with a lotttt of cheap crap) defense. Besides, we need a token vet “leader” in the locker room.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 13, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The article on ESPN.com also cites Hunter's defensive specialty

here. And I agree that at least Thabo and maybe Hughes are or have the ability to be pretty good defensively. So that’s why I don’t see this as a big deal in any way. The Bulls get more of what they already have. Guards who can defend. (Go get your jollies thinking about that, Paxdorf.)

Meanwhile, I’m wondering what it would take for the Bulls to sign a big man who specializes in offense. Can Shareef un-retire? Mo Taylor? Chris Gatling? Anyone?

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by bullhockey on Nov 13, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly what I'm saying...

Shouldn’t this spot have already been filled by an old big man who can make a jump shot!?

by smash! on Nov 13, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

eh, probably not

More like they don’t trust Thabo or Hughes’ ball handling to cross the timeline. We need a guy that knows to receive the in bounds pass when the opponent makes a shot. Gordon can do it, but the offense is better when he doesn’t have to do it.

In a trust with Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 13, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agree

great teacher for rose

"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury's Head Tattoo

by Belize on Nov 13, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Derrick needs much teaching

But hey, that’s just me

by Option27 on Nov 13, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe on defense, how to best cover your guy, pressuring the adverse PG, etc

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Nov 14, 2008 3:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Has anyone heard wheater this is a full year deal for the vets min or just a 10 day contract

or something? I was hoping it was a 10 day.

by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 13, 2008 1:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I could be wrong

but 10 day contracts can not be signed yet. It think that happens in Jan. or Feb.

by J Theory on Nov 13, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN said something about a pro-rated Vet min.

Which is in the 1.3 mil range.

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by Bigred15 on Nov 13, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so the question then becomes if it is a guaranteed deal and if he was getting looks from other teams

like dallas then, I am guessing it probably is guaranteed, darn. O well

by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 13, 2008 1:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

From Espn

Contract terms were not disclosed by the team, but a source told ESPN.com that Hunter agreed to a one-year, nonguaranteed contract. His salary will be a prorated share of the veteran’s minimum of about $1.3 million for players with at least 10 years’ experience.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3700242

by J Theory on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

REC'd & Yippie-ya-hooo........

by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 13, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Decreased our trade flexibility

Basically, the signing Hunter for some set of games will reduce our trade flexibility because we accrue more salary against the LT threshold.

So if we cut him after 10 games, for example, we only pay him $97k. However, that $97k counts against our cap, and we already have only a couple hundred thousand worth of flexibility we might need to make a trade work.

So for those of you who think this might herald a deal, it probably heralds no deal.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 13, 2008 2:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Seeing as how a deal wasn't going to happen

Kirk being injured messes up any plans Paxson might have hand, and despite what we think I doubt Noah or Tyrus are on their way out just yet.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 13, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but its ture for the whole season

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 13, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So is Kirk not being traded.

At least, that’s my guess. I don’t think Hinrich gets traded until at least the 2010 deadline, if not later. They just love him too much in the organization. He’s a company man.

by tyger1147 on Nov 13, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just retire the jersey already.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 13, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

At least give him a statue, or put his moptop on the UC ceiling

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 13, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wish. I hate it. I want him traded more than anyone.

On this team, he’s as useless as an asshole right here!

I don’t know why I’m convinced, but I really do believe Paxdorf considers him an untouchable.

by tyger1147 on Nov 13, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Really? You want Kirk traded more than anything?

I want TT to get an attitude adjustment and a clue- and if he can’t then I want to undue the 2006 draft day trade for Aldridge- more than I want Kirk traded.

Then I want Noah to put down the bong, learn how to shoot properly, learn how to JUMP, add some muscle and pick up his conditioning more than I want Kirk traded.

I’d like to see Thabo learn how to shoot consistently, gain some confidence and play up to his potential more than I want Kirk traded.

I’d like to see BG accept his role, learn how to handle the rock, and learn how to play spot-up man off of a true Point God (like Noc has done so well) more than I’d like to see Kirk traded.

I’d actually like to see Vinny get a buzz cut more than I’d like to see Kirk get traded.

(And I have no idea what you mean by “he’s as useless as an asshole right here!” WTF man?)

by smash! on Nov 13, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's a movie quote.

And I said traded more than anyONE.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 13, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's all good.

But what movie? Just curious…

by smash! on Nov 13, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kill Bill 2

Bill points to his elbow when he says “right here”. I don’t know why I used it since it’s a visual, but it’s what I immediately thought of.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Nov 13, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's been said over and over

but here we go : put these two sentences below together :

1) Derrick Rose is awesome (and our starting PG)
2) Kirk Hinrich’s contract is too fat for a back-up PG

And you get your explanation of why Kirk should be traded. Nothing personal against him.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Nov 14, 2008 3:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't say he shouldn't get traded...

Just said it wasn’t what I wanted most, that’s all.

I just think we all know nothing will happen while he’s hurt so it’s pointless talking about that issue when there are so many others on this team.

by smash! on Nov 14, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Retire

Kirk’s jersey only after Andres Nocioni….

That last bit was for you Matt.

by majoyenrac on Nov 13, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe Noc can retire and be the hype man, a la Cedric Ceballos

“Hello everyone! Chicago Bool!”

::crowd goes bigmac-level crazy::

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 13, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They should

make an electronic statue of Noc (basically a looping tape real of his fist pumps)….place it next to MJ outside.

by majoyenrac on Nov 13, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course I'm joking and totally not being serious

by majoyenrac on Nov 13, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If they retire Noc's jersey?

Do Jalen Rose and John Paxson also get to take part in the ceremony?

"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 13, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to both laugh and cry

If something strange happens like we get hot and some players meet their contract incentives and force us into the luxury tax.

We wouldn’t go there to trade for Pau Gasol or sign Ben Gordon, but we’ll end up paying it to sign a 39 year old point guard.

On the bright side, that might very well be what it takes to get Pax fired.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 13, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Reinsdorf would mind (too much) paying for a championship :-)

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Nov 14, 2008 3:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh, I don't either

But IIRC the various Bulls incentives aren’t quite that steep.

If I recall, Hughes got $2M a couple years ago because the Cavs won 49 games. My guess is we don’t win 49 or more games, but it we do then my understanding is another $2M gets added to the Bulls (and Hughes) salary.

Not sure what sort of incentives Deng has, but I think they’re similarly team-based.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 14, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not positive that's true...

We do have a ~$5 mil trade exception courtesy of sending Joe Smith to CLE last year.

Check it at the trade machine.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

I know those things have time limits and there are other things that add trickiness(like all the BYC deals we gave our guys, specifically Hinrich)… but I think the trade exception might mitigate that?

Does anyone know the salary cap rules well enough to comment definitively on this?

by JacksonM on Nov 13, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the issue isn't whether they can literally take on more money

it’s that they practically can’t, due to the luxury tax. It’s not a hard cap, just in Reinsdorf’s eyes.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 13, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess a more specific question would be...

How do trade exceptions work, exactly?

My understanding is that they allow a team to take on more salary in a trade than they normally would. Does that salary count against the cap or does the exception erase it? So if we took on a little more salary on a trade where we used some or all of the exception would that put us over the luxury tax threshold or not?

Interesting that NBA owners are so unwilling to go over this(bye bye, possible Phoenix title) while some baseball owners are. Maybe that’s just Steinbrenner, though…

by JacksonM on Nov 13, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The extra salary we'd take by using the trade exception still counts against the cap and LT.

Trade exceptions let you throw out the normal trade rules but the normal cap rules are still in effect.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Nov 13, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

And really

Why blame Reinsdorf for making it his own hard cap? Isn’t $71M good enough for 1 GM to make a very viable team/contender.

I mean if we were a contender and ran the risk of having everyone bolt, sure….but to take on luxury tax for a risky move to appease the fans (and believe me no trade isn’t without risks unless you are Danny Ainge and somehow get Ray Allen for a #5 pick project—seriously when does crap like that happen and if things like that were available to Paxson over all our draft picks, I can’t believe he did nothing.

I would love the big market Bulls to go into the luxury tax because in comparison we’re doing very very well, but why do it if the team still won’t be in the championship title threat realm?

by majoyenrac on Nov 13, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we've been over this a bunch before

but basically, because they fouled up the Ben Wallace signing (and especially if that was Reinsdorf’s idea), then you have to pay the tax to get out from under it.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 13, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs