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Bulls out going:

Andres Nocioni
Drew Gooden
abo Sefolosha

Clippers out going:

Chris Kaman
Cuttino Mobley

It’s not everyday that a center is available that can play. Since they want to get rid of Mobley he will be forced onto someone some how. You can do the trade without out Sefolosha but I’m assuming that the Clippers wouldn’t mind having another SG and getting some more talent for Kaman. You have to remember that the Bulls will not be the only bidders for a center. Also you would have to move a SG because getting Mobley thickens the Guard situation even further. I would even throw in a protected lottery pick (1-12) for this year.

Though I’d caution that, sort of like Thabo, the ideal of Chris Kaman is better than the actual Chris Kaman. He’s had notorious problems finishing at the rim, which sadly fits in with the rest of our big men.

for the Bulls and is realistic for the other team too.

How about:

I’d also gladly trade Noc instead of Tyrus and Thabo, but I think in reality we’d have to offer those two. What would the Clips want with Noc?

Still, I think I’d do this deal.

Can Paxson get a deal done?

Kaman isn’t exactly uber efficient on offense, he turns the ball over way too much and is an awful passer, so if the Bulls were to trade Noah that’s a big downgrade. However, he can command a double team, and is a beast on the defensive boards. If there’s a way to keep Noah and do this trade, I’m for it. Hell, even throw in a 1st round pick.

Everyone here should know by now that there is zero chance of Paxson making this deal, or any deal for that matter. He probably hasn’t even considered it. The guy is allergic to doing anything of substance to his team.

To understand this, you have to look at the salaries for next year.

• Gordon must agree to be traded, but Gordon will agree to be traded to a team that’s under the cap, because that renders the Bird Rights problem irrelevant.
• To make the deal work then, the Clippers have to be put in a position where they’ll feel they could re-sign both Gordon and Gooden if they so choose (obviously they’d want Gooden too).

As a ballpark estimate, the Clips are going to be a tad under the salary cap next summer anyway, but not by enough to re-sign those two guys. To do that, they’ll have to be about $18M under the cap, I’d guess.

Trading away Kaman and Mobley would get them $20M under the cap. So in principle, they’d probably be agreeable to a Kaman+Mobley for Gordon+Gooden swap. They get to have two good players for one good player and salary cap ballast.

Unfortunately, this trade doesn’t work for the Bulls. First, Gooden + Gordon ($13.5M going out to the Clippers) for Kaman+ Mobley $(18.4M) wouldn’t work under the cap rules for trades. The Bulls would also have to include Cedric Simmons $1.7M expiring contract. Assuming that wouldn’t be a big problem though, we’d run into an even bigger one.

The Bulls would be sending out 15.2M in salary and taking back $18.4M. Since we’re already only a few hundred thousand away from the luxury tax threshold, this trade would put us over the tax. And the Bulls won’t do that.

And it appears hard to get around. Because every player you add from the Bulls to make their finances better will make it less likely the Clippers can re-sign the guys they trade for. And every guy you add from the Clippers sige makes the Bulls further over the tax. So maybe you could balance things out somehow (by including Eric Gordon, Thabo, Tyrus, Noc, Tim Thomas etc) but it gets extremely complicated and forces the teams to trade guys they really don’t want to trade in the first place. So it quickly becomes untenable.

So why won’t the Bulls make trades? Because they’ve given out too many bad contracts and now have no flexibility. They can’t even make trades they might be willing to make if they weren’t so financially hamstrung. In short, they’ve screwed up they’re finances and now can’t take advantage of opportunities that might present themselves.

My nba 2k9 first trade was noch and gooden for Kamen, odd that its actually being discussed here. Gooden and camby might work well together.

In defense of why kamen is good, he finally gives the bulls a solid post player, and even if he isnt as good as last year, he is head and shoulders better than gray, and probably about as good as bogut (overall). Even if his contract is 4 years, its still keeping him in his prime, and it makes it easier to “rebuild” the bulls when you have have a superstar pg and an actual starting center. The two most important positions in basketball. It may not make us a contender, but it will help us win a few more games every season, and not just limit us to horrid jumpshooting. Kamen in 4 years i think will be just as good as brad miller now btw.

Mobley in some ways duplicates Hughes but comes off the books in 2010, leaving some wiggle room in case Pax wants to make a splash with the 2010 FA class. Mobley’s contract is more reasonable than Hughes’ and that might make him tradable before the deadline in 2010 if any good options surface. Ultimately it provides LAC with flexibility, and the bulls with talent + futire flexibilty.ALso works under the cap…

Gooden comes off the books in 2009. He isn’t 7’ tall either, but his numbers are comparable to Kaman’s (for LAC’s purposes, according to espn.com ,LAC wants a PF to put next to Camby).

I like this trade way more than most of the others that have been posted lately, and somehow, it also seems more realistic.

I have been talking about the free agent class of 2010 for six months now, and I really want the Bulls to be in a position to make a play for a max player. I think this trade falls in line with that strategy.

Even though Kaman’s deal runs four years, I could see him as a valuable chip in a sign and trade for a max player. For example, I’m sure the Raptors would rather get Kaman in a sign and trade then lose Bosh for nothing…

and seeing the Bulls getting DESTROYED on the glass, getting Kaman at center and having Gooden be able to play PF would be a huge improvement.

Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy on Tuesday denied a New York Post report that suggested the team is trying to trade center Chris Kaman.
Dunleavy said he turned down the Charlotte Bobcats when they approached the Clippers and expressed interest in Kaman.

“They got the rejection,” Dunleavy said. “But they threw it out there that I almost had a dance with somebody.” — Los Angeles Times


“Everybody who understands the NBA understands it’s a dance. Somebody calls somebody: `Hey, how are you?’ … ’I’m doing good, how you doing?’ .. `Hey look, you guys interested in doing anything?’ … `Yeah, of course I’m interested, what are you doing?’ … `Here are the guys on your team I like. Who are the guys on my team you like?’
"That’s how the dance begins. Well, if anybody’s name pops up off of somebody’s "likes’ list” that are mutual, then you start get a little bit closer on your dancing. You start with with your freestyle and all of sudden it’s cheek-to-cheek. That’s the way deals get done.

“This one started out by somebody saying I like your guy, oh, you don’t want to dance with me? They got the rejection and they threw it out, ‘Hey I almost had a dance with somebody.’” — Los Angeles Daily News


Would the Clippers ever entertain trading Kaman? Sure, but it would take a lot.
As one source close to the team said, “A 7-footer who can rebound, defend, score and block shots, who comes at a good price? Those guys don’t get traded very often because there are very few around. If you were to trade one, it’d be hard to replace.” — Los Angeles Daily News