Open Game Thread #3: Bulls vs Memphis Grizzlies - OVERFLOW
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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I sat in the back of the 300 level once. There were people that had to sit in the back hallway because it made them sick.
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Thabo is playing a good game tonight.
Scoring when available…making good passes…all around contribution.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
speaking of Thabo
Nice steal/dish there.
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed, he's played his best game by far.
Of course, as I say that he just woefully missed a wide open three from the corner. I’ll just shut up now.
def a good game
He’s starting to mess with Rose pretty good..not great, but the #1 and #2 jerseys make it pretty rad..bahhaha
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury "The Great"
Gray. Well, that will slow us down.
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They will find out during the next snack break. I mean, timeout.
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Where has Hinrich been?
Our second leading scorer. Hm.
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He got that offensive rebound...that landed in his gut.
A lot of work to get that one. :)
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What i like about the Grizz
Is they aren’t wasting their time playing 10 guys. Just pick 8, give the starting 5 a lot of minutes and that way players can get into a rhythm.
Exactly, we NEED to be doing the same thing
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 1, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the foul trouble
might have them rotating people in more than they normally would. Can’t have young guys foul out you know. Not sure why…but that seems to be the leading theory on the matter.
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Rose!!! Look out!
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Nice dish to Rose, Kirk.
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He pretty much has to have them bounce right at him
or accidentally knock those around him down with his elbows to lessen the competition to it. I don’t really see him using his hands very well or actually getting the block out.
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Although he did block out for that rebound after the missed foul shot.
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Like I said...
…no matter what happens… everyone on this team sucks, Del Negro is a horrible coach, whatever. The Bulls will still have a 22-year-old Derrick Rose.
Actually 20
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 2, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
He's talking how old he'll be in two years when
VDN’s contract runs out
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
He's talking about worst case scenario
we still have a young, potentially great point guard even if everything else goes wrong
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
better hope he never becomes a coach then
2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..
by Chanman25 on Nov 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what I don't like?
The Bulls running plays for Tyrus Thomas to get the ball 18-ft away from the hoop. Why are they doing that?
He should be inside dunking. At least to get his confidence up. And because I like a good dunk.
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Gray! Just dunk it! Gack! You are so tall but you can't shove it in the basket.
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why the hell
is Hinrich playing the 2 and Ben playing the 1?? They did the same thing in the 1st half too…
They just got a good defensive stop somehow.
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Every minute of Aaron Gray
is a minute less of Noah. Vile.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I remember seeing these "Reading is Achieving" , or whatever they're called,
commercials when Eddy Curry was still on the Bulls; he was showing little kids in Chicago how to read. I remember thinking “Why the hell is Eddy Curry showing kids how to read? Does he even know how?”
now there is a familiar face!
recuperating well after that disaster of a playoffs?
2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..
Being at Penn State and seeing the Phillies win
just made it even worse. Ugh, such obnoxious fans.
What’s funny though, is that I always wear this hat, I even have it on right now, and people at bars always ask me what kind of hat that is. One time, someone came up to me and said "BRO, IS THAT A VINTAGE
NITTANY LIONS HAT?!"
Sigh, idiots Phils fans.
hahaha, I'd have to say Philly fans are arguably the worst in baseball, even when compared to Yankee Fans
and hey, at least your football team may get to the promise land!
2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..
It's good thing their working on that Gordon-Hinrich back court.
You know, to see how it works. Since the past 4 seasons didn’t really give a good indication.
Why not try to get Derrick Rose 35 points when he’s playing probably the worst defensive PG’s in the league? I hate Del Negro. (Okay, that’s overreacting)
Yup.
Rose/Gordon or Rose/Hinrich. If Rose isn’t tired he should be playing. He doesn’t seem tired.
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and lol at Noc
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
No he didn't.
He picked up the ball, took his steps they let everyone take, his left foot stayed planted, his right foot shuffled.
Watch his left leg again.
He needs to get a running start from the half court line to get that one.
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They should have fun
Okay an oop to Gordon is silly, but as long as we win they can alley oop to whoever they want
Gordon with two consecutive wasted possessions.
Bad selfish shots.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
Uh, the lob was not his fault.
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come on!
in the midst of thost “bad selfish shots” both Kirk and Noc both took some ill-advised 3s as well.
Nope. They were back to back.
Pull up three, then dribble to the corner.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
did you not see
the two BAD 3 pointers by Kirk and Noc, or are you just ignoring them to cherry-pick on Ben?
I will rewatch the tape.
I am only commenting during commercials. We may be thinking of separate plays.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
I just re-watched.
They were not back to back…Noc missed a 3 and Tyrus travelled between the two chucks…the point I was making is in consecutive touches for Gordon he took bad shots.. its a problem when a player is looking for his own shot in those types of situations…there was no need to force up a bad shot.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
sorry, just got on
but is there a reason Noah isn’t playing?
That right there...
Is why TT drives me nuts.
He makes a great steal then promptly tosses it into the stands trying to lob one to BG… He is so damn stupid.
Don't call me doughboy!
What in the fucking world is this lineup?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
When Hughes comes back, wonder if they make him the 4, Thabo can man up center
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Thabo would have the speed advantage! A win win win!
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I know it's only been three games...
But Gordon does not look like a team player right now.
Don't call me doughboy!
Relax Norm...
I made that comment after he took two quick three pointers with a guy in his face.
Don’t feel compelled to stick up for him all the time, I’d be showcasing if I were him too.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 1, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's trying to get traded.
He thinks he’s the fifth guard (based on Del Negro’s comments) on the team when he’s definitely not the fifth-best guard.
Well, maybe he’s not tryign to get traded, just making the best of his opportunities.
There was a cheer when Gray went to the bench.
Is our friendly bulls blogger at the game tonight?
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Rose dunking give me wood
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Wasn't serious, but it's still pretty awesome
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
sure you weren't...
:P nah i knew what u meant
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Gordon
one good play then a bad one…is he a rookie? LOL
Nope.
He is just playing selfishly for his contract. Its pretty bad when he drives into traffic and falls down.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
yep
because we know that whenever Ben falls down this season it’s because he’s being a selfish ballhog
It looks like it, doesnt it?
He seems to go so slow when in comparison to Rose. It’s weird: he’ll go quick to the lane, but once he takes his steps he slows down so others can catch up/he trips/he gets his ass blocked/he airballs.
It may premature
but I think he needs to get traded soon. He looks like he’s ballhogging aginst Rose. Just my opinion btw
"You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life" - Starbury "The Great"
Ha!
Of course we have but you’d think after 5 seasons he’d shed some of those crazy habits. They were tolerable during his first 2 seasons but c’mon…its year 5
No, I'm just feeling the action
Of course the entire team has bad habits led by Gordon and T2’s bad decision making.
Derrick Rose...
ROY
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Damn, Gooden has 15 boards.
Impressive.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
and Hinrich hitting 5 threes tonight is pretty sweet
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by Illini15 on Nov 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know it's crazy to say
but Derrick Rose might be the best point guard in the east right now. I say it’s a toss up between him and Calderon, who’s pretty terrific in his own right.
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Not crazy at all...
But Billups might have something to say about it.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
sorta forgot about Billups…
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by MPG on Nov 1, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Still...
I’d take Rose over Billups any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 1, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
That be great if he started the all star game
He could get voted in…
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
you wanna crown him then go ahead and crown his a z z
just kidding
by Ibleedbullsred on Nov 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Noc doing what he does best. Awesome.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I hate him on this one.
Yeah, I said it.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 1, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Got him up by his neck. Definitely a flagrant..
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Noc is going to kill Lowry now
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Fucking Lowery
How dare he mug Rose like that. Noc needs to be our enforcer now.
Why is Gooden passing away from an open shot?
Dishing back to Noc with five second left was not smart.
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I think Nocioni deserves a medal of some sort
by NittanyCub on Nov 1, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
BTW... how are all the Deng haters feeling now?
a couple of good plays this quarter, “shutting down” Gay.
His D looks great
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He played better the second half
And it’s nice to see him being involved and attacking toward the end of the game. But dude is still in a major shooting slump. I don’t mind it occasionally on the jump shooting front because it does happen, but the season is going to be a long one if our front court doesn’t start making more baskets – whether the shooting touch comes back, or they work on going inside more. And as the newly paid guy, Lu’s going to get the brunt of it.
Any analysis in these game threads tends to be major over-reactionary anyhow. People were ready to dump the whole team at the end of the first half, then they pull out a nice win and look good doing it.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I'm thinking they need pick-and-pops w/ Deng and slashing w/ Thomas.
Not the other way around, as they’ve been doing.
He played within himself:
slashing, rebounding, defense, shooting when open. It’s when he tries to go one-on-one that he’s not good. The hold the ball…hold it…hold it..thing rarely works.
The point of having a player like Derrick Rose is to avoid that kind of play on Luol’s part. Putting him in positions where he can have success.
I still think he and BG could really benefit.
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kickass
bout time they won a shootout
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 1, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Noc has the slowest three ever.
He can make them if no one is anywhere near him but he gives them sooo much time to get up on him.
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Gray will not stand for not being the slowest at something.
His only recourse is to attempt a 3 point FG now.
what?!
1 miss by Kirk and 2 misses by Noc! Those selfish ballhogs!! How dare they shoot and miss!!!! They’re not being team players!!
THE UC WANTS FOOD
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 1, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting trend
The Bulls have done a really good job at drawing fouls so far this year. They have managed to get a lot of players into foul trouble, which has really helped.
That is a good thing.
We need some easy buckets…and free throws.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
except.....
when we are playing the World Champion Celtics, then it’s the other way. Still upset about the charge called against Rose(his 4th) when Rondo was clearly standing on the restriction line, plus even the announcers said that wasn’t a charge. Rondo better enjoy it while he can because probably by the time we play them in Chicago in March, Rose will be getting the call his way.
by BullsAttitude on Nov 1, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya know, w/ Rose's ability to create pick-and-pops...
…LaMarcus Aldridge would be awesome to have right now.
Not at all.
Gray did well for a short stint. Gooden has been pretty good. Nocioni has played a lot of four.
It all about the match ups tonight.
Noah looked like Noah. But Gooden has been a beast and Noc can almost guard Warrick at the 4.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
I think it was more Gooden and Thomas playing important parts of the game
Good blocks and rebounds by the both of them.
Thomas looked awful on offense, but five blocks is huge.
That’s at LEAST a 6-point swing, and maybe an 8-pt swing.
Sure...
Except he blocked most of those into the front row and Memphis got the ball back.
He should watch some tape on Bill Russell and learn that you don’t have to send every block into orbit.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 2, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
nonetheless,
just by blocking the shots he’s altering people’s shots for the rest of the game…It still probably would be at least a 6 point swing.
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
good game
Memphis beat Orlando so we might be ok
god i can't wait to rub that one in to all my friends who are celtics "fans"
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 1, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Back to back games?
I wonder if their age was a factor. Was the game at Indiana?
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Well,
I think it’s a testimony to how hard the Bulls made them work last night-no gas left.
Beasley had 25 tonight
Mayo looked good too. This looks like a damn good rookie class.
rookies gonna beat the sophomores in allstar game
they have a nice chance
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 1, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
at least we are sure....
that Rose will be in that game! If he isn’t in the All-Star game.
by BullsAttitude on Nov 1, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the truth
Mayo, Beasley, Love, Jason Thomson…list goes on. Just a superb class.
Next year, not so much.
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Don't forget Oden
He’ll play in the game for 5 minutes before injuring a body part most of us aren’t aware exists.
(Wow…bad sentence. Don’t care…late).
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
I hadn't even noticed how well Thompson was playing
A lot of people made fun of that pick because he was from a small school, but he looks like good value for the 12th pick. God knows the Kings sure need the help, because they look like the worst team in the league so far.
Derrick Rose how this team needed you
Someone please buy Tyrus a whiskey and a hug, he needs it.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 1, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
VDN is clearly
over thinking the guard situation. Good lord. Just hear him talk! Thought granted the management should not have put him in this logjam situation in the first place…
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I was going to add that
but I didn’t want to be a big downer after a win.
But yes. It is a terrifying thought.
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Nice win for them.
Derrick was terrific, Drew was a rebounding machine and Kirk played well coming off the bench. TT had some great blocks too.
anyone catch the end of the sixers/hawks game?
i watched it while waiting for league pass to show the game… quite a finish there.
Just got back from the game (to the office downtown)
I can’t believe how good D-Rose is as a 20-year old rookie. Wowwowowowowowowowowowowowow. Just freakin’ sweet.
Memphis is awful – I thought the Bulls looked really bad today, and to win that game by 10-ish just illustrates how bad the Grizzlies are. Other than D-Rose (woooooooo!) didn’t see a lot to get me too geeked up for the future (given that Drew Gooden pulling down 20 boards a game isn’t a part of any of our visions of the future for this team).
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Kirk Hinrich is not long for the Bulls
if he continues to play this well.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Johnson keys Hawks’ rally to best start in a decade
They’ve won two games. Some don’t even consider that a winning streak.
… and it’s the best start they’ve had in a decade.
lol
i just made the same comment to my bf… and then realized i don’t think we’ve been 2-0 for a decade, either :(
Last year it was for us.
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For the entire season I mean.
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Is that some sort of record?
I’m pretty sure they’re near the top for a team having the most wins in a season without ever having at least 3 consecutive wins.
Did anyone else hear what Neal Funk said about the Celtics announcer Tommy Heinson
saying that he wasn’t impressed with Rose and thinks he’s slow. Heinson is a pretty respected guy, how the hell can he think that?
He must have had his elbow on the slowmo button.
Or something up his ass at the time.
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tommy may be respected
but i wouldn’t trust his opinion for shit. he’s the biggest homer i’ve ever heard. i live in boston now and have had to put up with listening to him, thank god last night’s game was on ESPN.
Tommy's an old man who's slipping
I don’t doubt that he deserved a lot of respect at some point, but at this point he may as well sit at home and yell at kids to get off his lawn.
(I’m guessing I’m no longer eligible to receive any Tommy points, huh?).
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
Is it just me or doesn't it also feel like Rose is getting no love nationally.
Everything is about Oden, you rarely ever see anything on Rose. Which is suprising being the first pick in a vig market like Chicago. You’d think he would get more pub
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 1, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you watch the ESPN telecast last night?
They were in love with him, Jalen Rose and Avery Johnson both at halftime said he will be the best player from this draft class (Rose even said Derrick will have the best season of all the rookies).
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 2, 2008 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Rose can take a hit better than Cedric Benson and is 3x as fast. Tommy is senile.
If (Kurt) keeps playing like this he may be a candidate for the 6th man award…sorry Ben.
I feel bad for TT. When he makes a highlight play, something bad always happens.
In the opener, his alley-oop was waved off because the official said it was in the cylinder….yeah, that’s called about twice a season on a play that close. Against the Celtics he hit the back of the iron on a spectacular alley oop which was just out of his reach, and tonight he became the only brother to be called for travelling this decade on that quick a move on his reverse layup. If LeBron had to meet that standard, he would average single digits. Poor Tyrus can’t get no love from the refs. He also was whistled for a technical on a phantom foul. But the good news, despite his brain cramp on the pass to Gordon, VDN still has allowed him to play through his mistakes, which have been mounting up in between his monster blocks.
Noce continues to provide a spark and spacing at the 4, in addition to driving the opposition to a psychiatrists couch. Deng played great defense in the 4th quarter and drove to the rim with authority. Aaron gave everything he had (which is not much), Thabo played his best game, and Gooden was possessed on the blocks. I think the Bulls can be very effective going small against certain (young inexperienced) teams. Gordon will no longer be able to claim he is the Bulls leading scorer, and I already have a place slotted in the Hall of Fame for our flower child. I still love Tyrus but someone has got to work with him to finish around the rim, at least ONCE A NIGHT!
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i thought the oop was waved off
cause there was a late over-and-back call, not that it was in the cylinder…
i’m glad tyrus is getting encouragement, but i think he still needs better guidance.
Ugly game
I’m just relieved we won the game. I just hope it isn’t this ugly all season long because I won’t sit through this garbage, young team or not.
"It finally puts us above the Cubs. They've been getting all the credit." ~ Harold Baines
The whole team
is having to make adjustments this season. New coaches, new star point guard, new system to learn. Why not give it a few more games before writing them off?
How the hell did Gooden get 20 boards?
Whatever, I won’t complain. Rose was again showing why he’s already the best player on the team. The problem is that his teammates seem to forget it, and our offense reverts back to last year’s malaise. If it wasn’t for Kirk’s solid 3 point shooting in the 1st half the game could have been a lot worse. I’m worried as to why Deng just won’t attack the rim more, especially against a terrible defensive team. His jumpers will start to fall with time, but he has to realize this team’s identity is no longer the half-court set, but a more up-tempo with an emphasis on the transition because of who is at the PG spot.
I hate to harp on Tyrus, but he needs a chill pill or something. Every time he makes a good play, he follows it with something stupid, like those bad alley-oop passes. Either the Bulls need a big man coach, or one of the assistants should take special attention to get Tyrus to be more patient.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
you know what's struck me thus far?
i’ve been keeping an eye on rose’s passing, because i thought that would be one of the big factors in what type of success he’ll have this year. my conclusion? he’s passing the ball beautifully, but his assist totals aren’t where they should be. but that’s not rose’s fault. guys aren’t hitting open shots like they should be. he’s finding the open man, they’re just missing. tyrus, deng, and gooden have all been missing open 15-18 footers that they need to be making.
it might sound overly optimistic, but i honestly think rose has been playing even better than his numbers suggest. he’s taken it upon himself to score more because he has noticed that his teammates aren’t hitting the shots they need to be. they are open and rose is finding them, but they aren’t hitting so he’s prioritizing his own scoring. he’s doing it efficiently, too. once the supporting cast finds their collective stroke rose won’t have to take as many jumpshots, and his assist totals will rise along with his efficiency, then the media is really gonna go crazy for this kid.
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Yeah a good PG can only rack up assists when his teammates can actually hit open shots
As Rose gets better, he will be able to find better high-percentage looks for his teammates, but as of now the 2 best offensive players (Deng and BG) are just not in a good rhythm, and Tyrus is just out of sorts. I’m not worried about a low assist total, as he was able to run an offense at Memphis that didn’t rely on him always dominating the ball just fine.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 2, 2008 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes!
Deng and BG are not at all in rhythm with Rose: BG because he’s not played with him, Deng because he’s still pressing. Additionlaly, Rose’s play hasn’t been consistent in the sense that sometimes he’s very aggressive, and sometimes he’s deferred more to his teammates. When he’s in, he should dominate the ball.
It’s not that he hasn’t been consistantly good. He has. But he’s going to need to keep growing into his role, and he’s going to need minutes with BG.
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by MPG on Nov 2, 2008 7:09 AM CST up reply actions
Oh and big ups to Nocioni
His acting on that “shove” by Hakim Warrick was priceless, and it seemed to put the game out of reach. He actually had some solid defense, him and Deng were all over Gay in the 2nd half I was really impressed with how they picked up the intensity.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
Rose quote of the night:
Rose is off to a good start, averaging a team-high 18.3 points, and his quiet demeanor makes him a natural fit on a laid-back team. It’s something he wants to change.
Why?
After seeing the Celtics, he thinks that’s the way to go.
“That was an emotional team,” he said. “They talked to each other. There wasn’t one time on the court when they weren’t talking to each other. They were having fun.”
Former coach Scott Skiles begged for a leader to emerge on the Bulls, often saying that his team was perhaps too nice. He wanted his players to show more emotion, to channel it in a positive way.
“While you’re on the court, you’ve got to be more aggressive,” Rose said.
Yeah, about that quote...
I gave a little fist pump when I read that. My God, the kid just turned 20 and he’s already the leader of this team. OFFICIALLY, Kirk and Lu might be the “captains”, but every player on this team and every person in Chicago knows that Rose is the man. There are times when he’s visibly frustrated with his teammates, but it isn’t a bad thing, like he’s throwing a fit; it’s because he wants everyone to communicate with each other on the floor.
Rose makes the all-star team THIS YEAR. Hell, he might even start.
guess what? the public votes on the starters. who's gonna beat out rose for point guard in the east? i think he's got a great chance to start. in fact, i think he will start.
Cashing checks and having sex.
Well, I already voted in one election,
can we do early voting for the other?
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by MPG on Nov 2, 2008 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
they put the votes for guards
not PGs and SGs, so theres the possibilty of 2 SGs starting, like when kobe and Tmac started a couple of years back
i know. and it doesnt change anything. look at the guards in the east. wade and who else? rose.
Cashing checks and having sex.
do kirks stats count?
wasnt he the 1 at some point? ;)
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oh sue...
im trying to make the argument that kirk does score from the 2 spot :)
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Kirk played very well,
no doubt. But it’s hard to get excited, because it feels like the better Kirk does, the more likely he is to be traded. He’s just too damn valuble. Portland, Sacto, Golden State, Milwaukee…the list goes on.
His contract, ability, Derrick’s play, and the paucity of NBA point guards suggest he won’t be a Bull past the midpoint of the season. Hope we don’t lose all our Hinrich fans on this site when that happens!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
what a difference to not have gorodon in the final minutes
we held on to that lead and there was no defensive liablity. that lineup of rose, kirk, noch, deng, and gooden, seemed rel effective in the closing minutes.
It aint easy bein' Piatkowski
Yeah because Gordon has never helped the Bulls come back or win close games.....right?
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by Ozzie Montana on Nov 2, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
in the final quarter
gordon is a powerful weapon. In the final minutes however…well id say the jury is out on that one.
I think the original comment was more about how once we had the lead, the linup on the court was one that could defend, and gordon is one to score big, and get scored upon. Of course this bulls teams defensive ability is almost non existant (dare i say worse than thier offense?) so having bg on the court or not really doesnt make a big difference i suppose.
Also when was the last time gordon did something good in the final minutes of the game, i just can remember the knicks game (although thats more like the final seconds)
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It's hard to remember Gordon moments
when he sucks at getting to the rim. Speaking of which. When was the last time Ben Gordon was in the half court getting to the rim?
by NBA Observer on Nov 2, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
he did it a couple times Saturday
I saw it, I swear.
This is like wishing Aaron Gray’s feet weren’t made of concrete, but it’d be great if Gordon was able to draw contact like Rose. They have the same body types, but Gordon rarely gets the same calls because it always looks like he’s falling before he gets hit.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Saw some replays of one of the better plays of the night
Rose passing to the left wing to Gordon. Gordon gets a screen and attacks the rim from the left of the paint. Rose rotates right to space to keep his man out of the paint. Screener leaks to the 3pt line, Rose’s man cheats over to help, Gordon takes two men to the rim, seess the cutting Rose, makes the pass for an easy two handed flush by Rose.
The Grizzlies were playing ‘Nocioni’ help defense on the play where as whomever is the 4 doesn’t need to double but does it anyway to leave someone wide open.
by NBA Observer on Nov 3, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
actually that's one of the worst defensive frontcourts possible
second to only Noc-Gray (which we also saw, yum)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
ugh
Gray
Noc
Hinrich
Gordon
Rose
The NBA team that doesn’t pummel this 5 man is a very poor NBA team. This 5 man is worse than Skiles’ 3 guard group.
by NBA Observer on Nov 2, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Not that bad; Rose is still in.
Now if you put in Sefolosha for him, then you have a perfect storm of atrocity.
Thank you Drew Gooden
We only won this game because of your rebounding.
Tyrus Thomas looks awful around the rim if he’s not dunking, but I want to lock Luol Deng in a half court room and not let him out until he dunks the ball 10,000 times from a standing two step, two foot gather. We just cannot have Deng looking like a 6’2" guard when he’s 1 foot from the rim. Dunk the basketball.
We have to shoot better and won’t start with Luol Deng taking jump shots. Attack the rim you freaking teenagers. Use your youth, and er, experience, to your advantage. You’re being guarded by the hibernating Grizzlies. WTF.
I didn't see the game
but 11 blocks, 7 steals, 43% shooting (Memphis) and only 12 turnovers. Playing D and taking care the ball, that has to be our winning formula. Other than Derrick, I don’t see a player who brings it on the offensive end consistently.
Rose made Conley Jr. look slow and small!
Very impressive how he blew by him a couple times. I’m starting to think that Rose is going to become better than Paul. What did you guys think of oj overhyped mayo? He looked decent, but not even in rose’s class. Mayo can only score, rose can do it all.
I'll wait until Rose becomes a better shooter and makes more consistent passes than Paul...
But I think he will definitely be a better driver and finisher than Paul, no doubt there.
Although it is kind of humorous that the problem used to be the guy passing,
and once we had a “real” point guard they’d be much improved. ;)
(And no, I’m not suggesting that Kirk and Derrick are the same level of PG, nor that Kirk had anything less than a dismal season last year.)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Good news
Kirk’s leading the team in FG% and 3FG%.
Kirky not passing = Kirky good shooter?
Whoops. Kirk’s leading the team in assists too.
by NBA Observer on Nov 3, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
part....
…he’s still not an “excellent” passer on the level of Kidd, Nash or Paul. That’s my only point. He might be able to get there someday. If he does, he’s clearly got those three beat in other ways.
He still needs to become a better shooter and make more consistent passes, no?
We'll eventually make shots
and boost Rose’s assist totals. He’s making the good passes. Our guys just aren’t making the shots.
Scoring hasn’t come easy for some Bulls the last two games. Thomas has gone 2-for-22 from the field, Luol Deng 5-for-23 and Ben Gordon 6-for-20. The Bulls have averaged 38.5 percent shooting through three games.
Source: Brian Hanley, Chicago Sun-Times, 11/3/2008
by NBA Observer on Nov 3, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
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