Preseason game one thoughts
Just some random half-arsed observations:
I'm sure everyone is on edge to hear this declaration: Derrick Rose is going to be OK at basketball. I see a future in the league for this kid.
He missed his first few jumpers (and was a bit more trigger-happy than I thought he'd be) but he showed what he could do early in the game: not only did he initiate a lob to Tyrus (who whiffed, more on that later) but on a subsequent play he was the recipient of a lob. The point guard! Made some mistakes but also created space for shooters with his penetration. Looked for the ball when initiating the possession, and looked to run once he got it. Was not timid in attacking the basket, moved sharply off-the-ball, and showed off a nice jump-stop in the lane during the 3rd quarter. But what stood out right away is that this is a guard that can play above the rim. That hasn't been a part of this team for a while.
So that's good. Now to work on his teammates...
Kirk Hinrich was the two-guard tonight alongside Rose. I've doubted Hinrich's ability to ever be a full-time two, and tonight didn't do much to dissuade that opinion. He made one nice move getting through the center of the lane to get a layup and a foul, but on a couple of occasions he'd get the ball baseline on the move, and while heading towards the goal would not even look at the rim, let alone attack it. Thankfully he didn't follow through with the full-on Hinrich maneuver, but he needs to be more aggressive if he's playing off Rose. He also front-rimmed a few jump shots, and he was overpowered on defense on a couple of occasions by Antoine Wright.
Drew Gooden started at Center and played well. Eric Dampier is one of the bigger opponents he'll have to face, and overall he held his own, especially on the boards. He also made his jump shots, something that will be a key to this season as he'll have to carry the offensise load in the frontcourt.
Tyrus Thomas hit a couple jumpers himself and even made some plays when the defense starting closing out on him, but he did not show improvement in what was his major problem last season, which was finishing when close. He let a lob from Rose slip though his hands, and didn't do much around the basket on offense...getting to the point in the 2nd half where he'd start looking for the jumper first. I was a bit dissapointed that he wasn't isolated on offense more tonight, but against the tall frontcourt that Dallas posesses it could've just been a bad matchup. One thing I will say for Tyrus is that he didn't look lost , nor did he make many mistakes. And it's good that the jumper is still improving. But I don't want him to become another softie like LaMarcus Aldridge, I'd like to see him using that range to set up moves towards the basket.
Larry Hughes is not going to change, he is what he is. He takes bad shots, and a lot of them. He couldn't stay in front of Jason Terry on defense. When he did pass he forced them. He did a decent job rebounding, but that's that's about it for nice things to say about Hughes. Hopefully when Gordon comes back Huges will take his rightful place on the bench, though for tonight Hughes was ahead of Thabo in the depth chart.
Other random observations:
- Hinrich was announced after Rose in the starting lineups. Can you name a lamer face of a franchise than Kirk Hinrich?
- Luol Deng was underwhelming. I didn't even notice him in the game until halfway through the first, and he didn't do much outside of a few jump shots. Not worried or anything, but I would've been nice to see Lu take more initiative after a summer where he got paid and was the number-one option of his international team.
- The defense was pretty bad all night, alarmingly so in the first quarter when giving up 36 points while both teams' regulars were in the lineup. A lot of it had to do with turnovers on offense letting the Mavs run. Noah would've helped too. I'll wait a few games to see if that gets turned around at all.
- Good to know that even after changing over the announcing crew, the odd love for Aaron Gray remained. Stacy King said he should get 15-20 minutes a night, and then said that he'll learn to rotate better defensively as he matures. It's not a matter of recognition, Stacy, it's a matter of his inability to move his feet at above-glacial speed.
- Noc was pretty worthless: 0 points and 4 fouls. Let James Singleton get loose after a pick that led to a score. Didn't cut his hair all summer.
- Thabo had one nice play where he went rim-to-rim on a break. But he also lost the ball too much in the half-court set, and if he is indeed in the running to start alongside Rose he didn't distinguish himself.
- End of the first half, and Vinny drew up the play for Rose. It was pretty much an isolation of Rose at the top, and instead of sending someone to set a pick he overloaded to one side and let Rose beat his man solo off the dribble. Didn't quite work as Rose committed an offensive foul, but I like that the plan wasn't to inadvertenly send an extra defender at him, a la Skiles.
- When Tyrus exited the game for the final time he had a huge heat wrap around his back.
- Wasn't it nice not to see Chris Duhon?
- For the meaningful part of the game, the Bulls had zero three-point FGs. Come back soon, Ben Gordon.
- One third quarter lineup was Rose/Hughes/Deng/Noc/Gray. That's some high usage, and bad defense.
- Didn't watch most of the 4th, so I don't know who looked good in the scrub scrum amongst Washington, Powell, Simmons, Brown, and Nichols. Thabo and Aaron Gray received the rest of the garbage time.
- As I expected, I liked the new TV crew. Odd to see Red Kerr just give some brief analysis from courtside during a couple breaks, but I'd have to think that he'll be in studio when they give the Bulls the full pre/half/post show treatment.
- Game Thread comment of the night: messwiththebull, pulling a nice Big Lebowski reference to denigrate Larry Hughes.
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Didn't see the game--
did Tyrus run the floor?
I hope he did, as a practice for the game where it really matters, against Skiles and the Bucks.
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by bullhockey on Oct 9, 2008 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
Tyrus wasn’t on the break because as a shot blocker he will often be under neath his own basket as the shot he just swatted rebounds off the backboard back to the free throw line.
by NBA Observer on Oct 10, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo looked distracted, not focused
like his mind was elsewhere, or his head up his ass. The man needs to step up.
I’m neutral on Tyrus’ performance tonight. I will wait to see more, extended runs with him and Rose on the court together.
When I saw Noce tonight I saw the old, Skiles Bulls. I don’t want to see that era anymore.
I liked Hinrich’s shared ballhandling with Rose, especially when I saw the Larry Hughes version of it, but I don’t think Hinrich can start at the 2 anymore and I think it’s now from a defensive perspective. I saw Antoine Wright bully him and Kirk will have a hard time against physical 2 guards. And he still can’t shoot. I’d love him as the backup PG/combo guard, and he can foul to his heart’s content, but then I don’t know who to start at the 2 because I was underwhelmed with Thabo tonight, Hughes is not an option, and Ben is in the same boat as Kirk, with the trade-off of ballhandling for shooting.
by messwiththebull on Oct 9, 2008 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked what I saw from Rose
and I saw his offensive aggressiveness as an attempt to get something going because it was needed. His shot fell in the second half, he can get to the rim at will, so now let’s see him show that he can make his teammates better.
by messwiththebull on Oct 9, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Hinrich is really overwhelmed against twos
then might as well start Gordon. Who, while also overwhelmed, can at least try and make up for it on offense.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CONCUR x1000000
During the game, my buddy and I said we should start a website called KirkHinrichPleaseStopDribblingSoMuch.com. The offense kept stalling when they’d swing it over to him. The ball needs to be in Rose’s hands a lot more when they’re in the lineup together. But I agree with mess, it was even uglier with Hughes. I got the impression that both Hughes and Hinrich wanted to run the offense and didn’t want to defer to Rose. Another time, Gooden got the rebound and dribbled it all the way up court with Rose trailing him asking for the ball. Noce does that all the time, and I hate it. Get it to the super fast PG!
Agree that Tyrus looks lost around the basket when he can’t dunk it, that’s too bad. In general, they were too jump shooty tonight, which isn’t good but their best jump shooter wasn’t playing. The Mavs also took advantage of their size difference, and they dunked on the Bulls a lot.
Not a fan of Deng’s goattee, and I can’t believe it took all summer for Hinrich to grow that beard. Pathetic.
by Moses Taylor on Oct 10, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
My two biggest problems with the offense last night were guys not getting the ball to Rose to start transition, especially off of long rebounds and indecision. It seemed like half the posessions stalled out after a Rose drive and kick. Everybody has to be ready to either shoot, drive or move the ball. Way too much just holding the ball in one on one situations.
by CrashDavis on Oct 10, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo was very passive
Looks to me like Thabo and Noce are going to be fighting over Deng’s back-up minutes.
As for the scrub scrum, not much there. Washington scored fast and furious, but you’d like a point guard to get at least one assist in 14 minutes, right? At least he was trying. Main difference in this year’s rotation will be inserting Rose and how Gooden and Tyrus split minutes.
by ziffle on Oct 10, 2008 12:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Aaron Gray was a nice surprise
I went to the game, and it was obvious the first time I saw him that he lost a lot of weight. No longer does he look like a bumbling oaf, and he seemed to be able to get up and down the court much easier. His baseline spin move late in the 4th was fantastic.
It remains to be seen if he’s made any strides defensively. He was the best player on the floor in the 4th quarter, but he’ll need to be able to defend his position against better competition to play consistently. If he can, I wouldn’t be surprised to Vinny name him the starter at some point this season.
by YaoPau on Oct 10, 2008 12:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me as well
Aaron Gray is a really nice surprise.
I know he played against scrubs but just his footwork alone made me smile.
by Option27 on Oct 10, 2008 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remarked on my site the other day that he might be a sleeper for us
by Sports2 on Oct 10, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree.
He still looked slow. I couldn’t tell if he lost weight or not, but he’s still a thick (not muscle) dude. He picks up so many fouls because he doesn’t move his feet. VDN has to figure out a balance of the positives he brings and the negatives and he’s going to have to pair him with someone like Tyrus more often than not to help with his defense (guys not trying to shoot right at him).
by Moses Taylor on Oct 10, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just don't have Gray set screens beyond 15'
He doesn’t have the footwork and balacne to roll to the rim to receive a pass without drawing an offensive foul and he’s no threat to shoot it from beyond 10’.
He can be good so long as he does what he is capable of doing. Put him in the post. Feed the big fella.
by NBA Observer on Oct 10, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's fine
if for about 5 minutes a game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th quarter was scrub time
I didn’t watch it.
Maybe I’m not giving Gray a fair shake, but he didn’t look any different to me. He’s just too slow, at everything.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was not surprised by Gray.
He is our only legitimate NBA center. In his last start last season against Toronto he put up 20/20. I know I am in the minority, but I think he should be our starting Center. While I would not advocate playing him more than 20 minutes a night, but seven minutes to start the first and third would give the offense the inside out type of rhythm that works well in the NBA.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 10, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the inside-offensive-foul
type of rhythm.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You under estimate Gray.
…and that’s fine. But he is the only player on the roster with the size to play center in the NBA. He has good footwork and solid fundamentals in the paint. He is foul prone, but that is common amongst young NBA big men.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 10, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has the size to be at the center position
but he can’t play center because he can’t play. too slow, at everything. His footwork is fine if you don’t factor in how fast the feet actually have to move.
Aaron Gray is a non-factor. If he’s in the rotation the team’s no good, so I’d rather not even consider it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its still basketball...
Not a track meet. Speed is not really necessary to be a solid NBA center. That position more than others is about size and fundamental skills. Its about gaining the proper position inside then using size to force your way into a favorable position against you opponent. He is the only player on the roster who can do that.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 10, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Hollinger's playing ratings:
I’m copying and pasting liberally, so go ahead and take it out if you think it’s too much, Matt:
"At this point, Gray has two major offensive weaknesses. First, he’s a poor foul shooter who only hit 56.6 percent from the line. Second, he travels more than Rick Steves. Gray ranked 54th among centers in turnover ratio because of a bad habit of shuffling his feet in the post. He was whistled for four traveling violations in one game against New York.
He also fouls like crazy. Gray committed 7.75 personals per 40 minutes last season, the second-highest rate in the league. Obviously, it’s going to be hard for him to earn major minutes if he’s constantly in foul trouble. "
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“Gray is ponderously slow and his lack of mobility is an issue both in transition and in half-court defense — a major reason he fouls so often. While his size obviously makes him a decent matchup against big centers, he’s only average as a rebounder and doesn’t block shots.”
snip
“Since he wasn’t highly touted coming out of college, one has to preserve a degree of skepticism about whether his numbers last year represent his true ability level. But if they do, he’ll be a quality backup center for some time.”
He likes Gray a lot more than either Matt or I, but he sees his ceiling as a 20min/night guy. I agree with Matt that if he plays that much, we’re in big trouble.
by Moses Taylor on Oct 10, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't hate gray
as much as some people, but i definitely believe his minutes should come matchup-specific. sometimes you need a big lumbering guy. most of the time you don’t.
by Jaina on Oct 10, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, Rick Steves
Hollinger is huge nerd. Love it.
by NBA Observer on Oct 10, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I was saying.
While I would not advocate playing him more than 20 minutes a night, but seven minutes to start the first and third would give the offense the inside out type of rhythm that works well in the NBA.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 10, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're mad.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was one notable time where Tyrus was lost in the 3rd quarter
And this happens every game when Tyrus plays a lot of minutes, this is the pick and pop, where Tyrus sets the pick for the ball handler and gets in the 18-20 foot range to receive the ball. Once he has the ball, he does not appear to be sure what to do. Usually what happens is, he fakes the pass stands there for a second and then takes the shot while his defender plays 5 feet off of him. Tyrus can hit this shot every once in a while but he misses his fair share, and since he is a big, the other big is at a disadvantage on the boards. In this situation, Tyrus should either roll towards the basket or take another one or two steps before he receives the ball so he has an easier shot. Or if he is stuck in the 20 foot range, Luol or whomever is on the wings have to cut towards the basket to at least give Tyrus the option of passing.
by wojcmic1 on Oct 10, 2008 1:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont understand all the hughes hate
i mean he did get to the line 10 times and is our only guard right now that tries to attack the basket…
by Jbasic89 on Oct 10, 2008 1:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i thought
Larry looked bad tonight. I don’t normally understand the depth of the Hughes hate because he does have some talent….but he seemed to jack up shots and make bad decisions whenever he was in. I think his stats were ok (haven’t looked) and I know he got points and some boards, but I was really disappointed…..he’s a better talent and can be a better player than he showed.
by majoyenrac on Oct 10, 2008 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to give that idea up
the biggest problem is that the whole idea that he’s a talent who makes bad decisions may have been true several seasons and injuries ago. But now he’s still seflish with the ball, AND doesn’t have the explosiveness he once did.
and the chirping about being benched has begun…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked at the box score in the 2nd half, and for Hughes, I saw
11 points on 1 for 10 shooting, 9 of 10 free throws. Congratulations, Larry—you’re not 100% useless.
You do hurt more than you help, though.
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by bullhockey on Oct 10, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes seems to believe he is a starter
no matter how bad he plays. For some reason, he believes he is entitled to start. As if it should be obvious or something. The guy is terrible. And he would be a cancer, except I think he has no sway in the locker room. I can imagine everyone looking at Hughes numbers, hearing his complaints about minutes, and than laughing out loud.
He should never get in the game. And I think when Gordon gets back, he won’t.
by DangerMouse on Oct 10, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was saying
I’m starting to agree more with you guys, but won’t be there until game 5 if Hughes doesn’t show me anything more.
He did at least do a good job of getting to the line and getting some boards, but the rest of his game was horrible, just horrible.
If he plays through the rest of the preseason like that (while supposedly trying to find time on a crowded rotation) Reinsdorf should just buy him out.
by majoyenrac on Oct 10, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding! Ding! Ding!
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by bullhockey on Oct 10, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get
what more you need to see. He’s the same guy he’s been the last 3 years or so. I don’t want the ball in his hands enough times for him to get into the lane. He’s a zero on defense and a negative on offense.
Doubt he’ll get bought out though, not this year. Maybe if his expiring contract isn’t worth anything after the season.
by Moses Taylor on Oct 10, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do
See his athleticism at times, and his ability to put up points, play some PG spots, and play some defense.
I also know he’s making a killing, and think he should try to show us something for that.
Plus I’ve seen what he was in Washington, he’s not old, he just is really arrogant.
He has skills, but if he’s going to play like he’s been playing hte past 2-3 years I agree to cut him off early, we have too much depth at the guard spots to waste minutes on a cancer.
by majoyenrac on Oct 10, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He last played for the Wiz
In 04-05. This was four years ago. Do you think he can come close to approaching production that he yielded in 04-05, his best season as a pro and an open contract year?
by NBA Observer on Oct 10, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is still some hope
I wouldn’t say he’d be quite as good as that player….but if I know a guy’s making $13M a year for the next 2 years, I’d like to see what we got.
Hughes gave us a few good games here or there last year.
He has decent skills, but is horribly dumb on the court.
And this is the 4th yr away from that, not yet 4 years…..
by majoyenrac on Oct 10, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why care?
He won’t be here after those two years. I mean, there is virtually zero chance he stays in Chicago after 2010. Even if he plays well, he’s only taking time away from evaluating guys that might be here past 2010 like Hinrich, Gordon and Sefolosha.
This team is young, it’s rebuilding. For the next two years, it may best to say “winning isn’t everything.”
by tyger1147 on Oct 10, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ability to put up points?
He’s a 37% shooter. To put up points, he’d have to take about 20 shots. I don’t want to see him put up points.
The guy you’re describing is no longer Larry Hughes. He’s just not that guy anymore, unfortunately.
by Moses Taylor on Oct 10, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with the complaining
As long as they don’t give into it.
Maybe by him saying he should be a starter, another team might by into the idea if they desperately need a 2 guard and takes him off our hands
by Option27 on Oct 10, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone got any video?
thanks
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Oct 10, 2008 1:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
espn video
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Oct 10, 2008 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich was announced after Rose in the starting lineups. Can you name a lamer face of a franchise than Kirk Hinrich?
^
Drew Gooden – he always looks like he killed the pig in Forgeting Sarah Marshall
on a side note..Deng played? Really. I bet you 2 Thunder tickets that he was Benny 2ite
by Belize on Oct 10, 2008 4:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
Deng at this point is still a 3rd offensive option. He hasn’t distinguish himself yet in the NBA for me to see otherwise. Rose, when he adjust to the NBA and with the responsibility of running the point will also be a 3rd scoring option. If he becomes 2nd or 1st option by default then we are in a bigger trouble. There is nothing really wrong with having two players equally offensive at the the 3rd option especially if one is the PG.
Bulls at this point lack the 1st and 2nd offensive option. BG also is probably a 3rd scoring option on a good team, but on the Bulls team (he’s the best 3rd option) and thereby elevated to 2nd option, and by default assumes the 1st offensive option.
Nothing changes until GM Paxson recognizes and himself changes..
Also, Gooden for his entire NBA career is a 3rd option also, Tyrus at this point is a 4th option who may improve to be a 3rd option. Hughes is a 4th option who sees himself as a 1st option on the Bulls. Kirk is also a 3rd option, but at the lower end.
We score over 100 points this game, Great! Yet I don’t think Mavs played shutdown defense like we will see in many competitive regular season games.
by exult463 on Oct 10, 2008 5:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
is this meant to read like some kind of riddle?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't get it
Noce is a 5th option. that is all he will ever be. But Hughes, is an 8th option, perfectly suited for all the 3rd and 4th options we have on the team. Now Gray is a 1st option, but only in the d league. In the NBA, if playing with a guy shorter than 6’1, he is a 3rd option. Cedric Simmons is a nice 10th option off the bench. But what I’m looking for is if Sefo can become the 6th option we’ve always needed.
Now when and if Paxson figures all this out, the Bulls will start winning again.
by DangerMouse on Oct 10, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's a 3rd option going from Chicago to Milwaukee on a train at 3:30
and a 2nd option leaving from St. Louis to at 2:30. Which will get to Milwaukee first?
by CrashDavis on Oct 10, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Malik Allen.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if the other option is Aaron Gray.
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by bullhockey on Oct 10, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents (with the market the way it is, you'll need it!)
Rose: 2k9 didnt lie at all about him, for right now all he is, is an average pg…IN A POWER RANGER SUIT!!!! The guy joins the lebron and dwight as the future athletes of the sport. How can someone that small have so much power. Rose was off the chain, and its not surprising, there isnt a chain in the world that could tie him down with his speed and power! I dont mind if the bulls limit his playing time to keep him injury free for awhile. In 3 years he will be doing whatever the hell he wants on that court and the only way to stop will be fouling him ala lebron.
Deng: He is gonna get to the free throw line alot, but he might not be well suited for that fast paced game. His questionable handles slow him down quite a bit, or he slows the offense down by constantly sizing up his defender. On the other hand having rose and hinrich on the court increase the chance of hitting deng on a cut…so deng should stop sizing up and keep moving and get to the rim.
Kirk hinrich: Defensively i think kirk did a solid job, but i think he looked a step slow. In the first quarter he was hit with the task of double teaming the paint, and seemed to be a bit step slow getting back to his guy. I was surprised when he was guarding josh howard and did a real nice job against him. And i think he had two blocks (i havent looked at the boxscore yet) and a few steals. As matt said, in order for him to be effective he has to be more aggressive, especially when d. rose is on the court. Still he had alot of real nice passes. Rose and kirk worked very much how i thought they would, with rose driving and creating from those drives, and kirk creating from the perimeter when the play was slowed down. Kirk WILL get bullied by the bigger two guards of the leage, but thats why theres thabo….
Thabo: Looked nice on defense…horrible everywhere else. Oh his midrange is money though…
Gooden: A very solid front court mate. A real good pf, a decent center, solid in every aspect of his game. he showed he could dribble a bit, make nice passes (behind the back!) and shoot mid range jumpers. He rebounds well and can score in the post….good solid player.
Tyrus: matt hid the nail on the head…he needs to understand how freakin athletic he is and what he should do with that power.
Hughes/noch : All i know is one thing, a guard rotation of rose, kirk, and gordon and subbing thabo for deng is all you need. Trade those two for something nice and expensive, expiring would be nice, but a need woulnt be so bad either.
yea its just game one of preseason….expect another one or two of these in the next two weeks.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Oct 10, 2008 5:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You might not have seen much of Deng but..
he scored 14 points. Tied for the team lead with Gray and Washington. The other two scored mostly during garbage time. Thats what you get with Deng though, you see that he hits a few buckets here and there then you realize he score 14 points when you look at the box score.
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by Bigred15 on Oct 10, 2008 6:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He looked a little forgotten in the offense
but played well. Additionally, preseason is more meaningless for Deng than it is for Tyrus, Rose, Thabo, and Noah (who haven’t established themselves as quality players) and Kirk, Ben, and Hughes (who are fighting for minutes).
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Oct 10, 2008 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another point I was considering making.
Deng really has no motivation to play super hard in a preseason game. To him its a way to get in shape. Veterans rarely need more then one or two games to get back into the regular season mindset.
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by Bigred15 on Oct 10, 2008 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’m not worried about Deng in the least. It would’ve been news if he took over on offense, but it’s not news if he disappears a bit, it’s just preseason.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I think the pick and roll should be primarily practiced and ran with Rose and Deng. Not Tyrus. Deng mid-range shot is already developed and he cuts to the basket better. Tyrus should be roaming above the rim while Rose and Deng work the magic for a pass if necessary.
This team is lacking identity and seaching for offensive, which is not good. Nobody concentrates on doing the great defensive things because everyone’s see’s an opportunity to become the man because we have no man (1st player offense).
Tyrus is not playing like a stat stuffer (Marion) because he is concentrating on offense too much. This dude should be pulling down 10 rebounds in 10 minutes of playing time. Tyrus should be playing above the rim on put backs, stop running plays for Tyrus, let him become the garbage man. I care nothing about Tyrus practicing all summer on his jump shot with Kevin Martin, I wish the dude practice on rebound positioning, and blocking out.
He has no role and the coaching staff also has no role for him other than trying to make him a scoring option, and he naturally doesn’t have the instincts of a scorer, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be effective offensively..
by exult463 on Oct 10, 2008 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a good point about running a PR with Deng but...
The primary reason to run a PR with a big guy and a litte guy is to create a mismatch. If the big man flashes to the ballhandler, someone like Rose can blow right buy him or now you have your bigman rolling to the basket with PG guarding him. It harder to create a mismatch when you PR with a wing. Wings tend to be more athletic and won’t cause such a dramatic mismatch. Also, if you run a PR with your wing player chances both of your big men are still near the basket, which means so are the opposing big men. You run a PR with a big man to draw the shot blockers away from the basket. Using a wing negates this.
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by Bigred15 on Oct 10, 2008 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
point taken
Yet, the dynamics on our team and defensive matchups need to be monitored. First, I think the PR shouldn’t be the first offensive option. Bulls need to Run, Run and Run more.
But when offensive sets dictate themselves I still prefer Deng in PR. Reason Deng and Tyrus size isn’t much difference, actually Deng might be taller. Yet, more importantly to your point Deng suffers offensively more against taller players, therefore the scouting reports mostly like will dictate the the taller player (likely a PF) be assigned to Deng as oppose to Thomas. Now the PR forces Deng to the smaller defender (his strengths), and it really doesn’t matter to Rose because he is able to blow by most defenders.
Thomas is not prejudice against defenders, he suffers equally against smaller players as well, even Chris Duhon size, as he tries to dibble pass them as oppose to going over the top of them.
Also having Thomas near the basket is playing to (his strengths), for rebounds, putbacks, and if he learns positioning and rebounding well won’t matter what big of little guy is assigned to Thomas because he will jump over them for the put back.
by exult463 on Oct 10, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
++ Tyrus thinks he's playing the wing
and needs to be directed back to the basket. Yet in a traditional PR, your point is correct. Yet, the Bulls must modify this offensive set to the strengths of the players on the team. Where standard “players positions” are a little fudged…
Imagine how ineffective is is to work the PR with Thomas, and he gets the switch to the smaller player and he then rememebers in the game that he doesn’t like taking contested jump shots no matter who is defending him, or he tries to blow pass the smaller quicker player. CHARGE…offensive foul…! Thomas hits more mid-range shots when the defender is playing off of him, and misses more if any defender puts a hand in his face. Therefore let him position himself 10 feet along the baseline for the easy uncontested clip shot or explosive put back dunk!
by exult463 on Oct 10, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
High screen
It won’t be effective running a high screen with Rose and Thomas if a teammate is near side in the corner beyond the arc. We actually ran this set a half dozen times last night. The man stationed in the corner needs to cut baseline to the other sie of the court to clear out that third defender.
by NBA Observer on Oct 10, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe only 5 of that 14 was in the first half
He did look alive in the 3rd quarter.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were approximately 118 change of possessions in this game
For those who couldn’t watch it, it gives you an idea of the pace both the Mavs and Bulls were pushing
by Jamaicanpi on Oct 10, 2008 7:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carlisle kept promising he'd let Kidd push the pace.
If Kidd still has enough legs left to get through the season, the demise of the Mavs may have been prematurely reported.
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by snley on Oct 10, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually hope Carlisle runs Kidd into the ground.
Let him employ Kidd on wind sprints every possession. That guy’s old and will break down. All the better for Rose when we play the Mavs, who should be running circles around Kidd as his career progresses.
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by bullhockey on Oct 10, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
overall the Bulls looked very bad last night. I know it’s preseason, and I know we were missing 2 starter quality players in Noah and definately in Ben Gordon, but we really looked completely outmatched by the Mavs.
On the plus side, I did like little flashes of Derrick Rose’s skill set. He looked much better overall than his 10 and 5 assist and 6 turnover stat line would indicate…..it took him most of the first quarter to calm down, but there were moments where you could see the future.
I agree Noc added no value last night….but then again he had been injured in the Olympics and it is preseason, so there I give him a pass.
Deng didn’t seem to be able to hold his own against Josh Howard though…..which was disappointing given the offseason raves, but again it was just the preseason….
Tyrus looked a bit more comfortable in general out there, he didn’t have really any wow moments, though if Rose and him practice a bit more together, perhaps there will be something.
The defense especially of the starting lineup yesterday was god awful, Rose-Hinrich-Deng-Tyrus-Gooden looked slow, thin, weak, short against the Mavs, causing the Mavs to look like in a reg season game they easily could have beat us by 30 pts.
Kirk didn’t look bad, Antoinne Wright for some reason always plays well against us, and might not be a good matchup for Kirk for some reason (odd because Kirk can hold his own against the far superior D. Wade)….
The real bright spots:
Aaron Gray looked very solid tonight, displaying some very nice post moves. I was really impressed with him, and while he’s slow, if he keeps this up, he might challenge for some starts by mid season this year…..his offensive game looked very solid. He looked slightly quicker too, but maybe that’s because he looked so good on the offensive end. It was refreshing to see some real post moves out there.
Drew Gooden looked very good and out played Dampier at C. That was nice to see.
Bulls need to get more of the Tyrus-Deng-Hinrich triumvate, those 3 looked especially blah yesterday….
THe Bulls need to come in with energy and passion…..if they don’t have it this year, it’s because they just won’t be as good as I thought they had been.
A disappointing first act, but again it’s preseason.
On the Mavs side….Brandon Bass looked awesome in flashes. Dirk was as unguardable as ever. Kidd definately didn’t look washed up….Josh Howard looked like his former all star self…..and finally Gerald Green looked like he really will have some game to go with his incredible athleticism. THe Mavs looked very good tonight.
by majoyenrac on Oct 10, 2008 7:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too soon to tell
But most of my thoughts are negative. All I can say is we’re in real trouble if Thomas, Gooden, or Noah is injured at all this season. The adjustments in the 5 man rotation to correct for the injuries looks like a major problem.
I guess that was an offense last night. We’re supposed to emphasize defense, but when the Mavs post 50 with 6 minutes remaining in the 2nd a lot of things have gone awry.
by NBA Observer on Oct 10, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
it's an odd balance
I’ve been so concerned with making sure nobody steals minutes from Noah or Tyrus, but you’re correct that if a guy’s injured, it makes Noc the backup frontcourt guy, and they’re really thin.
(I don’t think a healthy Mike Ruffin helps either)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedric Simmons
is still in the league. Something is wrong here.
Carl Landry is making 3 mil per. I need a drink and list of D-League players.
by NBA Observer on Oct 10, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Elton Brown show anything last night?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
But most of his time on the court it was the Darius Wahington and Roger Powell show.
by CrashDavis on Oct 10, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paxson can always anoint
magic ‘kirk hinrich’ johnson filling in as a backup front court player in the event of injury to a Big.
by exult463 on Oct 10, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly Dwyer
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls need to trade Hinrich, Hughes or Noce
For some depth in the frontcourt. All of the sudden, Odom isn’t looking as bad to me. Although if he won’t come off the bench for the lakers, he isn’t coming off the bench for the Bulls.
But the lack of depth really showed up front without Noah. While everyone is patting Gray on the back, his rotations were awful on defense as were Gooden and Thomas. The Bulls need someone to protect the basket. Paging Mt. Mutumbo.
by DangerMouse on Oct 10, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why would
Odom come off the bench for us. I’ve been saying it would seem a nice trade for both clubs to do a Hinrich-Nocioni for Odom and Mihm or Hinrich-Thabo for Odom trade.
The Lakers get a solid PG in Hinrich, who seems a great fit for the triangle with his combo skills, and most importantly solid D skill set that can allow Kobe to focus even more on his offense.
The Lakers don’t seem to need Odom, and likely won’t get much punch for his expiring contract given that Bynum’s getting a promo.
The Lakers also get Nocioni, who would really give them a push as a high energy and much better player than their last year high energy Turiaf….
Bulls get a solid PF starter to show Tyrus a thing or two, but one who can play a bit of 2-4, on matchups and play with Tyrus. Plus we get another expring deal, which is nice.
by majoyenrac on Oct 10, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk's Alley to Rose's (missed) Oop
I didn’t see the game, but one of my friends said Rose performed well, including this:
Missed the alley-oop that Hinrich threw to him in traffic, but cool to see the Bulls trying that with their point guard as the finisher.
As we’ve discussed on here before, over the last couple of seasons, the Bulls have utterly failed to get cheap and easy points, which in itself made the diff btw a W and an L some nights. Part of this was a lack of scoring from the low post area (including both drives to the hoop and from a traditional, back to the basket big), and part of it has been lack of a good outlet passer / running game / fast break.
But a big part of it has also been lack of chemistry/confidence to throw alley-oops. And no one failed moreso than Hinrich, who had the worst year over year numbers on a team with historically bad year over year numbers across the board.
So the fact that Kirk let fly in the half coiurt on a lob to the PG means that not only have they been working on this in practice, but probably that Vinnie DN actually called this play from the bench. A good sign.
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by bullhockey on Oct 10, 2008 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rose: "terrible"
when asked to assess his game. “Turnovers as a point guard, you don’t want that many. I had five in the first half.”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its good to see that he knows how many TOs he had.
But at the same time you hope that he has a short memory, we don’t need him questioning every decision he makes. Thats problem Kirk has, he makes a few mistakes and loses all his confidence. There is a fine line between playing smart and timid. Sometimes you need to take chances.
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by Bigred15 on Oct 10, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't see him as the type to worry about it
yeah he had 5 TOs in the first half, but only had 1 in his second half stint.
by Jaina on Oct 10, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I hope he has a short memory too.
He looked nervous to start off hte game, but at least showed good instincts. I was very happy with him.
by majoyenrac on Oct 10, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He gets it.
“Learning your teammates has a lot to with it. Early in my year in college, I was getting a lot of turnovers. But as the season went on, they went down.”
by CrashDavis on Oct 10, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"it's only preseason, it's only preseason..."
oh who am I kidding…I was a little disturbed from last night’s performance.
The Mavs starters made our starters look like pretty pitiful, and it honestly didn’t look like the Mavs were running hard. Kidd and Dirk looked pretty dis-interested.
I’m not too worried about Lu, but those were the most quiet 14 points I’ve ever seen. Someone above said it perfect – Lu’s constant sizing up of his defender slows the offense down. I kinda wish he would break that habit. I have to think he’s just pacing himself through the preseason and will be fine come regular season time.
Kirk didn’t look great, but didn’t look bad. He’s up to his same old tricks of running the ball into the lane, around the rim, and running back out on the other side without even attempting to look at the rim. I think Kirk’s best role would be to come off the bench. He was bullied by Wright and didn’t keep the opposing guard honest by getting into the offense enough.
Keeping the opposing 2-guard should be stressed this year. Kirk can’t do it because for whatever reason he won’t shoot. Hughes or Thabo can’t do it because they just can’t hit shots. Our best hope at the 2 is BG. While his defense my hurt at times, at least he can help to make up for it on the offensive end. Rose is going to need all the help he can get out of his 2 guard.
Whomever is defending our 2, they’ll have a day in the park because he won’t have to expend any energy guarding anyone…save for Ben.
Vinny looked a little shaky, but that was expected. I think he sat on his hands too long in the first quarter. A few times he had the “I know I should be doing something, but I’m not quite sure” look on his face. Just about everytime they would cut to time out, Del Harris would be explaining and/or showing him something. Which is good.
Our whole team looked out of shape, except for Rose (lots of hard breathing, jogging, etc). That will get better, so that’s not much of a concern.
Overall, it was pretty much what I expected from the first game. They’ll look better once Noah and Ben get back from injury, and after they’ve played more games.
by NormVanBeer on Oct 10, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope
they look better once Noah and ben get back from injury. Kidd-Nowitski-JHoward are all older than we are and all of them looked like the stars they were against our development league team.
by majoyenrac on Oct 10, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mr. washington
Darius Washington…….possibly the next A.I? :)
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by ODiggitty23 on Oct 10, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is the game tonight available online?
If so, where?
by DangerMouse on Oct 10, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tonight's game
has no TV broadcast of any kind, so I doubt there will be anything to see online.
by NormVanBeer on Oct 10, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the pacers will have a telecast
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Channel 673 on DirecTV.
NBALP shows it on channel 752 on DirecTV. It’s on at 6 pm.
by sue369 on Oct 10, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool
do you know if it will show on Comcast cable?
by NormVanBeer on Oct 10, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know much about Comcast cable
we have Comcast Sports Net on our sports package with DirecTV. If your Comcast Cable has a sports tier you might get it on that. Channel 673 is FSIN (Fox Sports Network) but would probably be a different channel on your cable.
by sue369 on Oct 10, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i used to have DirecTV last year but I recently moved in with someone else and they use Comcast Digital Cable. :(
I’ll check some of the channels and see what I can find.
thx
by NormVanBeer on Oct 10, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dish has it listed for NBALP, for what it's worth
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by wjb1492 on Oct 10, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the shooting guard
is always announced last
it goes…
sf
pf
c
pg
sg
by CWhiteman on Oct 10, 2008 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
uh, not when Kirk was PG
he was announced last.
He didn’t start EVERY game alongside Duhon, it just seemed that way.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 10, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the SG is Michael Jordan, not Kirk Hinrich
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 10, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
Rose: Considering expectations ranged from 1) won’t be an average PG until 2011 to 2) will be an all-star this year and the second coming of CP3. I’d say we can fall somewhere closer to 2. I think my main takeaways were that he can definetley handle the ball against NBA pgs TODAY. He still can’t shoot. He can penetrate and kick, but can’t penetrate and score (effectively yet). He is the only Bull who can command help defense in any way shape or form. Expect a very bad game 2 from him followed by similar performances to his opener for the rest of preseason.
Hinrich: Looked VERY bad. Can’t shoot, can’t defend, can’t create and can’t handle the ball (can dribble but can’t create). Let him back up Rose and play combo guard.
Deng: Still doing his thing, played to the pace of a preseason game. The ‘goat’ makes him look older but is overall goofy.
Tyrus: Some people are bashing Tyrus, but I actually think he looked grood. He looked, for the first time, like he actually had a sense of the game and could adjust himself to the rhythm of play. He forced one jumper but overall looked good. You have to understand that he will not be able to drive until he can make his defender honor his shot. Bloggers are right that he should focus on rebounding and defense BUT with Noah back in the lineup he won’t need to carry that weight as much.
Gooden: Looked solid. The jujp shot was falling and he didn’t get many down low points. If he had gone 2/5 instead of 4/5, what would people be saying???
Thabo: Still not ready.
Hughes: Doesn’t get or care about playing within any system. Looked out of control, will be making 1-2MM per by 2010.
Gray: Classic example of a post player who has always relied on pure size as his major advantage. Anytime he matches up with an equally tall player he loses all effectiveness. If he was 2-3" shorter he wouldn’t be in the league. Still slow.
by Jud Buechler on Oct 10, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We really need help in the frontcourt
I think most of our problems in the backcourt stem from the fact that we don’t have anyone in the frontcourt to keep the other team honest. As a result, the only dependable offense we have is our guards diving into the lane.
Hinrich had a nice drive to the lane early in the game, and I’m pretty sure got the bucket and the foul, but after that he got really tentative again. As for his D, Antoine Wright is clearly just too big for him to guard. At the same time, he did a surprisingly good job on Howard in the third. especially considering how bad Howard tore us up early.
Rose obviously needs to work on his jumpshot and decision-making (less turnovers), but I think he’ll be fine with time. He also needs to put a little more effort in on the defensive end, but I’ll give him a pass on that b/c its preseason and I’d rather see him play than watch him on the bench in foul trouble.
Huges, Noc – please just sit down.
Tyrus – I wish i could be more optimistic, but it seemed to be just more of the same. Ridiculous amounts of energy and athleticism, but not yet refined. (I’m thinking specifically of the play where he missed a shot in the lane, got his own rebound, took another jumper and missed, but got fouled. Might want to work on solid defense as opposed to highlight reel defense. Blocking shots is nice and all, but he got blown by a few times.
Gooden – too many jumpshots. put your back to the basket for crying out loud.
Gray – will be a solid center off of the bench.
Lu – needs to be more aggressive. he’s an efficient scorer, and he needs to start calling for the ball.
by darksmokepuncher on Oct 10, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There are only two ways to handle Hughes.
(1) Trade him; or
(2) Bury him so deep on the bench that he never sees the light of day.
He is awful. He simply can’t be on the court. Ever.
Rose looked good. I thought Tyrus played fairly well.
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by 1958ChiTown on Oct 10, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't want to be overly negative over the summer
But the frontcourt scares the hell out of me. Defensively they were just awful at rotations and missed assignments last season, and it didn’t look better yesterday. No doubt learning a new defensive scheme under new coaches takes some time, but given our personnel if Noah or Gooden gets hurt we could be in for a lot of games where they fall behind early and use big scoring nights from Deng and Gordon just to make the scores respectable.
On the plus side, Rose looked the part of a 1st overall pick. Erratic, very good, and mistake prone.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 10, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TV Announcers - EPIC FAIL!
Talk about ZERO chemistry,
Tom Dore-Stacey King…
I can’t believe that we gotta listen to them all year!
Maybe others here disagree, but I was
annoyed by these two all night.
Particularly annoying is listening to Dore’s
B.S., as he doesn’t describe the action taking place.
Discuss….
:-)
by rtblues on Oct 10, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They were never that great
Didn’t watch the game, only caught the highlights. I thought Neil Funk (the play-by-play guy for the radio) was going to be bumped up to TV, and the TV man from Toronto (Swirsky) was doing radio?
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by Ozzie Montana on Oct 10, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, that wasn't Dore
It was Neil Funk. Dore got canned.
And I have to disagree – Funk’s voice is pleasing to me. Might just be nostalgia from listening to him in the car on many nights over the years.
by kig on Oct 10, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, not exactly.
Neil Funk and Stacey King. I actually like them quite a bit. Funk is solid at play by play, while King knows a lot of basketball. Way better than last season.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 10, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niel Funk is Funky Gold
Niel is real good at describing the plays, but i think staceys comments really sucked. he started the whole “gray needs playtime” discussion…blech. I kind of was laughing, i think stacey expected to be like the main guy on telecast, but funk pretty much took over, and it seemed to bug stacey. Apparent especially when they would do the bulls.com plugs. Oh and if you want chemistry, then wish for wennington to come in and take staceys job, Funk and wennington have awesome chemistry. I liked having redd kerr as a halftime reporter by the way…he is very knowledgeable, just when hes broadcasting he is way too much of a homer.
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by piccolomair on Oct 10, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bulls.com plugs
I think it may have annoyed Stacey a little but I don’t think he knew Funk was going to continue to do that all night. He sounded genuinely surprised.
I do have to admit, their humorous chemistry was a little awkward at times. One would say a joke and the other would be unsure where to come in at, or if it was even a joke. A few times King seemed to be laughing on his own, with crickets from Funk.
You would’ve thought that they would’ve done a few dry runs before going on the air.
I’m sure they’ll get it together though. Just takes time.
by NormVanBeer on Oct 10, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like some great unintentional comedy.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Oct 10, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Funk – Good
King – Uhhh, well I’ve said it way too many times
by Option27 on Oct 10, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need some more
KYP and Mouse in a House. Hughes had Barrea twice for the ideal Mouse reference.
by NBA Observer on Oct 10, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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