would take a star pg with the number 1 overall pick, then spend the whole offseason convincing themselves he isnt good and that they need to keep their 10 mill a year underachieving point guard around just incase

It basically is Rose and everyone else at this point. Rose has been that good, and the rest of our team has been that bad. We have a starting five that is nice and is developing, and a bunch of scrubs playing ahead of them.

It was almost at the point where I viewed the team as Rose, and everybody else. Either you’re helping Rose, or you’re taking away a shot that could be his, dropping an assist that should be his, or handling the ball when it should be his.

that’s the exact way i felt watching paul and the hornets last year. god i love derrick rose.

Everyone on this team needs to be evaluated based on how well they fit with Rose (and yes, that includes Del Negro). This is pretty much going to be an evaluation year anyways, but it’s nice to know that Rose is for real. Forget about this year – how good is he going to be in 2 or 3 years? I mean, he’s 19! This is his franchise (all this game did is confirm what should have been obvious anyways), and everyone else is going to have to adjust to his game, not the other way around.

Hinrich, Gordon, Luol, Tyrus, Gooden, Noah … these guys were all lottery picks?!?!

Whether it’s athleticism, size, or anything resembling basketball skill, the guys we’ve had are all blatantly missing something. It’s crazy to think that three years ago I thought our core could someday be good enough to win it all on their own.

early on the lineup on the floor was noah thomas deng nocioni and rose
and based on matchups it looked like they played him at the 2 and when thabo came in for deng it still looked like noc was the 2 and thabo was the 3
anyone who can clear this up or verify?

Not sure if anybody posted the video, but I put it up on my blog.

It makes me want to puke to have to watch Hangdog Hinrich and CrackHeadHughes start.

Unfortunately, Rose is already our best player, I say unfortunately because we just signed up to pay Deng $14 million in 2012. I never got the Deng lovers, he looks and plays like an old man, has no athleticism and is at best a third fiddle player. Think about it is Deng even better than Horace Grant was to the first 3peat Bulls or Dennis Rodman, or even Kukoc were to the second 3peat Bulls.

Rose needs to play every minute that his body allows him too. That means that we need a true backup point to play 8-12 minutes, at $10 million per I doubt that Hinrich is the answer.

Del Negro seems to be making the same mistake that RockHead Skiles and BoneHead Boylan did last year, which is burying Sefolosha on the bench. Sefolosha is the type of player that needs to play regularly to realize his real total value. He clearly plalys better with the confidence that comes from regular minutes. He should be the starting 2 guard. we are a defensively challenged team and he is our best defender in the Pippen mold. Gordon should be the sixth man, and Hughes should be sent home to join Eddie Robinson to snort, eat or burn his millions and leave us alone.

Next, Gooden is not a starting center, in fact he is not a center at all and should never play center on a regular basis. Noah and Gray should get all the minutes at center. Gooden should be the first forward off the bench.

The starting lineup should be Rose, Thabo, Deng, Thomas and Noah, with Gray as the primary backup at center. We need his big body against other legitimate centers.

The Bulls shoud build the team around this new younger “core” and divest ourselves of our old “core” in the following order.

Hughes, ( we’re are probably stuck with him until the trading deadline in 2010).
Hinrich, has regressed massively, can’t stand his hangdog body language.
Nocioni, overpaid, and seems to have lost his zeal for anything but jacking up 3’s
Gooden, a servicable veteran not in our long term plans, valuable mostly as an expiring contract.
Gordon, might be worth keeping as a sixth man only, at the right price, no more than $1 over the middle level exception, which would be far less than he already turned twice, and is actually less than Nocioni, so the self deluded Mope a Dope superstar in his own mind is not likely to stick around.
Deng should be moved in the summer of 2010 in a sign and trade deal for one of the major superstars likely to be available that summer, Wade, Amare, or dare we dream Lebron.

This season looks to be very painful, except for watching Rose, although I can still hold out some hope for the further development of Thomas, Noah, Sefolosha and Gray.

They don’t all make perfect sense but your nicknames of our toolish players speak for themselves. I think we can all agree that LH deserves a special place in the Mockery Hall of Fame. Crackhead Hughes could be a winner or maybe Crackwhore Hughes might work too since he is paid lots of green to spread his BBall STD’s to infect the rest of the team. I agree he should be sent home or else be allowed to only show up at the United Center during hockey games and be put in quarantine during road games.

Maybe the solution to awaken Deng from his coma is to move him to the 2 against slower guards, where he won’t be abused by stronger defenders and can feed off good looks given to him by D Rose. He can be an effective slasher going to the hole at least more consistently than Hangdog Hinrich. He just needs to keep working on extending his range to become a 3 point threat. Plus this opens up more minutes for Thabo to interchange with Luol based on matchups between the 2 and the 3.

Noce brings energy and provides spacing with his ability to drain a 3 when open. His defense is sometimes lacking but never his effort. Ben “Mope a Dope” Gordon can still be a big asset as long as he is willing to play second banana to Derrick the Destroyer, and as you stated, that goes for the rest of his supporting cast as well.

Aaron the Plodder can do a lot of damage in the post if utilized properly, but if matched against quicker centers will do even more damage to our defense. This is where our whacky bong collecter, Noah can step in and run stride by stride with the Baby Bulls, TT, Thabo and Rose. Unless VDN is a sorceror and can turn lead into gold or turn Gooden into a strong defender in the paint from his current status as a disinterested bystander, I can’t see giving excess minutes to Gooden at center will not be a disaster. His shooting skills make him a good PF off the bench.

I see the season as an opportunity for growth and improvement as long as Vinny doesn’t repeat the stupidity of the recently reunited team as you so warmly call them, “Rockheaded Skiles” and his trusty lap dog, “Boneheaded Boylan” who were responsible for nailing our young studs to the end of the bench last season thus retarding their development, apparently because they refused to respond to their imbecilic coaching methods in a groveling manner that the petty dictators demanded.

As long as the Rose is in bloom, Hope springs eternal.

I am also favorably impressed by the way Rose plays but keep in mind that all starters were out when the Bulls (or should I say Rose) outpowered the Mavs. So I would not be 100% enthousiastic but still it remains good news in an underachieving preseason.
I am especially bothered by the underachieving big contracts (Deng, Hinrich, Hugues even if for him it was expected). Only Noce begins to earn part of his money.
On the other side, I would like to see more of Sefolosha and preseason would have been a good opportunity to see him more, especially with Gordon out.
I also regret to see Gray benched over Noah as Gray seemed to deserve some heavy minutes considering his summer improvement. It is not as if the Bulls had a force in the paint.
Overall, it is truly difficult to guess where the season is gonna go considering so many uncertainties.

And let’s hope TT keep playing better and better and that Deng wakes up and shows he is worth the ton of money they paid him

here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM2Iel1pM9A

SICK!!!
P.S. To the negative posters, D-Rose seems to be sticking it to the starters on Dallas
and not only some scrubs. There is a nice one of Dirk trying to help and getting a D-Rose jumper in his face. Look, the kid is nineteen and most around here have already posted a sentiment that says he’s the best guy on the team.

So, to diminish Rose’s performance with comments about it being pre-season, or vs scrubs, hey, that’s not fair or accurate. He had too many face-jobs all night, against help defense too. Getting to the hoop at will, and finishing, often with the plus-one.

I don’t know which game the haters were watching, but, preseason or not, it’s fairly obvious what they’ve got here in D-Rose. Yes, this was one pre-season game, and it was a lot of minutes played for him, so he spread the face-jobs all over Dallas’ lineup, sorry haters. Watch the video, and the games more carefully in the future too!

This was only a taste. People who have seen Rose at various levels know, he is simply one of those guys. He always has looked like the best guy on the floor at every level. This is all new and he is 19. Just wait, he’s feeling his way through it all right now. He will start to make others around better too. The 7 assists were almost kind of lost with him hitting for 30, as well.

So, how you all like the pick? Beasley already showing signs of “head case”, talented or not.

RT
“Cut the head off and the body dies”………Al McGuire regarding Point Guards

Rose (incredible, he looked like CP3 yesterday)

Tyrus (who looked like a monster even though unfortunately the shots didn’t drop, he was active, he defended, he grabbed boards, he blocked shots, he made some nice moves, the shots just were a bit strong, but give him time).

And dare I say it, Nocioni was solid in the second half, Nocioni does work well with Rose so far, and Luol’s going to need to step it up soon because Luol’s definately more talented, but is not showing anything other than that he’s now severely overpaid.

The Hinrich-Hughes backcourt should never be tried again. Hughes’ penchant to chuck comes up more with Kirk next to him for whatever reason. Kirk started off poor, but then he looked pretty decent defensively all night. He needs to find some offensive rythym soon though.

The rest…..well I wasn’t too impressed.

Luol better step it up in the regular season as he looks like he’s taken another step back from last year so far….very very disappointing. Josh Howard absolutely annihalted him again (Josh Howard looks better than ever at least against us in the first two games, my jaw was dropping).

What’s the deal with Noah? He hasn’t really been a factor at all out there in the 3 games I watched so far this preseason that he’s played (I’ve watched 4 to date…he’s not playing many minutes yet….he hasn’t been the energy factor or leader on the court that he seemed to be last year. Anyone know what the deal is? Is it still the eye issue? I thought by yesterday he’d be a bit back.

I’m over my Hughes should play because he makes a ton of money and he was once good 3 years ago. Hughes is AWFUL, god AWFUL. With a crowded backcourt that features 4 better players than Hughes, he should just ride the pine. I mean he really is not a thing like the player he was even 2 years ago when he was bad, but could show flashes….he just does not play team ball at all, can’t defend, and can’t shoot but shoot’s often. I’d rather see Duhon back, which is a tough enough thing for me to say, than have Hughes out there again.

I want Noah to get back to form or better soon, because I do think a Tyrus (now that Tyrus is playing at a high energy focused level) and Noah will be a better frontcourt than a Tyrus and Gooden. Drew’s a decent outside jump shooter who would play better or fit better (better description) if he played alongside a guy who was an inside the paint force on offense. Drew can hit a 15 footer pretty well, but when all our guards and SF’s have a similar offensive style, Drew’s less deadly than he can be. But he’s not bad. It’s likely his last year as a Bull though.

WE NEED TO SEE GORDON. Having Ben out there with Rose (2 big time scorers) with the ever active Tyrus these days and the little bit of everything Deng really should give us a pretty solid 1-4 I think. Now we need to see Noah step it up as a real 5….

Exciting to see Rose erupt especially for the future. Granted I know it’s very likely in the regular season we would have lost by at least 15 last night—considering Dirk was absolutely on fire looking like the former MVP he is last night…..but it’s nice to see an emerging star in this league. Rose has already grown quite a bit in these 6 games….I’m definately thinking he has as good a chance as anyone to be rookie of the year.