Gordon finally signed, let's talk about Deng
I intended this to come shortly after Deng signed. But, it sat half finished for a couple of months.
Too often people focus on the wrong aspects of Deng's game, especially Deng's overrated midrange jumper. There is all too much emphasis on changing Deng's game without acknowledging where Deng's value comes from in the first place. Both Deng and the Bulls need to be aware of how Deng's attempts to expand his offensive game impacts the core of his existing game. Adding skills can actually have a detrimental effect on a player's impact if those skills are used improperly. When Rasheed Wallace developed a 3-point shot, he certainly had more potential as an offensive player. And he has certainly used that skill to make some big shots, but has it ultimately made him a more effective basketball player on a consistent basis? For a season or two it did, but since then I would say no. And I have some similar concerns about Deng, and his quest to expand his game. How he and the team employ those new skills will determine whether they make Deng a more effective player.
Offensively Deng's core value has comparatively little to do with the jumpshot that was over hyped by everyone from the stooges broadcasting Bulls games to Hubie Brown during the 06/07 season. Deng is not one of the best midrange jumpshooters in the league and he never was. The reason the Bulls have been 5.2, 2.7, 6.1, and 4.6 points per 100 possessions better on offense with Deng on the court over the last four years is not Deng's jumpshot. The bulk of Deng's offensive value comes from Deng's points in the paint, the 7.7 and 6.7 points per game that Deng has scored in the paint the last two years. In 06/07 when Deng played all 82 games, he scored 26% of the team's points in the paint on 22% of the team's FGAs in the paint. Between cuts to the basket and offensive rebounding Deng scores both frequently and efficiently in the paint, which has set him apart from everyone else on the roster the last two seasons. This is the core value that needs to be protected.
There is always discussion of Deng needing to develop either a post game or a 3-point shot. It would be great if he did either, but I also think there is too little recognition of the potential pitfalls of either scenario. Deng's greatest strength is his cutting ability off the ball, especially from the weak side. Taking Deng away from that role needs to result in something better otherwise the team is taking two steps back to take one forward, which is exactly what I thought happened last year.
The team came into last season committed to playing Deng at SG in the preseason and more importantly committed to posting Deng up. Throughout the preseason Deng was isolated in the post. Deng put up fade away after fade away with mediocre results at best, and this continued through the 1st part of the regular season. The central problem with Deng posting up is that it prevents him from doing what he does best, cutting to the basket from the weak side. Putting Deng in the post, not only focuses the defense on Deng, but removes the team's biggest off the ball threat. That's the two steps back. Deng may be able to reach a point where he can justify posting up by dominating specific matchups, but until he can the team should be hesitant to put him in that position.
So what about Deng taking 3-pointers? I'm simply curious about Deng's 3-point shooting. Deng becoming a consistent 3-point shooter can be done with less detrimental results. I played close attention to the few 3s Deng took last season, and was pleased with the results. His mechanics were good. He wasn't alterng his form to achieve the necessary distance on his shot. There was one shot early in the season that really stood out. With the shot clock running down, he came off a screen on the right wing caught the ball and knocked in a 28 footer while shooting over the screen with his natural mechanics. After last season I'm confident that Deng could shoot a solid % on a modest number of 3-point attempts, maybe 1 or 2 3PA per game. But, 3-point shooting is only a benefit if moving back two feet isn't preventing from getting to the rim.
More important than a post game or a 3-point shot is Deng's actually developing a true midrange game, rather than just a midrange jumpshot. This is where I think the team and Deng should place the most emphasis. The ability for Deng to create his own shot facing up from 18 feet and in when the defense recovers in time to prevent the initial shot is more essential than jump hooks or 3s, and it doesn't get talked about enough. Deng learning to create space to get his shot off with a fake or a dribble is more important than 3-point shooting or posting because it's organic to what he already does well as a player. There's one play from the 07' Miami series that has always stood out to me. With the Bulls needing a bucket Deng dribbled to his left across the FT line to create space and then pulled up and knocked down a jumper over his defender with his momentum still carrying him to his left. That's the type of play I wanted to see from Deng the most last season, a fake, a dribble to create space, and a jumpshot over his defender. This should be Deng's 1st priority. The skills to create a shot.
Don't get me wrong. I want to see Deng improve his entire skill set. I want him to improve his post game, add range on his shot, and improve his mid-range game. Those would all be good things in the abstract, and I hope they happen. But, the Bulls and Deng have to be aware of how they develop and employ those new skills. There has to be awareness that anything that too far removes Deng from his weak side cuts will likely be detrimental to the team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Great work as usual Scotter, thanks for sharing
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Good post Scotter...
Deng’s pull-up jumper and off ball cuts to the basket are his offensive bread and butter: they Bulls (mostly Deng) just killed the Heat that series. Let’s hope D-Rose is looking for his shot there.
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What, if any stock do you put into Deng’s contract being uninsured due to the MRI he had on his back?
If there’s some truth to his back having long-term issues, it’d explain why Deng’s not added the weight and strength I would have liked to see him add to match up better against bigger players. Adding pounds to an iffy back and playing more physically could be problems for him.
Perhaps coincidentally or perhaps not, it flows into Scotter’s idea of how to use Deng the best, which is as good of analysis as I’ve seen.
I thought
it had been speculated on here in the past that Deng was uninsured not because he was necessarily riskier than other players with injuries, but that he just signed a large contract and is entering his first year of it. They pay just as much attention to the contract amount and years left on it as on the injuries.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
It's been speculated, but little fact has come to light
You’d think one of the enterprising young Woodwords or Bernsteins over at the Washington Post would have dug up that Gilbert Arenas’ contract was uninsured if this were the case.
Deng might not have added much weight and may still be "slim"...
…but his arms clearly have more definition in them. In fact, I’ve also wondered why he’s become more toned in his three years (w/ his wrist injury and all) but Hinrich never had. Hinrich’s below-the-rim controlled/slow style would clearly indicate adding 5-10 lbs of muscle as a good thing.
Are you gonna make a few of these analyses
on other players too, before the season starts ?
Can’t get enough of Scotter (rec’d).
The Game chose him !
I'm definatelyyy down to read a couple more..
.. This was probably the best piece I’ve read on the bulls all summer. Now if you can do one on Nocioni, try talking some sense into these Noc’ haters. The contract is as bad as its made out to be, considerin it keeps him with us throughout his prime, at a reasonable price.
by Los on Oct 3, 2008 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Nooc's coontract is baad !
The Game chose him !
Scotter has lots of these posts
If you dig in the archives, you can find breakdowns on many Bulls players.
Here is an older one of Noc if you wish to read
Not much has changed with the man
It will be difiicult for Deng
to develop a good midrange game for a couple of reasons. The big one is that Deng does not have a good first step, he is not quick enough to gain an edge on a defender when both him and the defender are both set. Second, is that having a midrange game is not stressed in today’s NBA, sure there are players like Carmelo and Dirk but there more the exception rather than the rule. Deng also does not dribble well so he cant cross over someone to get an edge.
The reason people wanted Deng to post more is to able to get a good shot when the Bulls offense is sputtering, though Deng having only a mediocre post game doesnt work as intended. Also, the post game lets him be more of a mismatch, he can post smaller defenders and cut against larger defenders. Playing in the post lets Deng use one of his assets, length, to get help him get his shot up.
I agree Deng working a bit on his 3 point shot is probably the most effective way for him to add another weapon.
This:
I agree Deng working a bit on his 3 point shot is probably the most effective way for him to add another weapon.
I don’t think Scotter ever made that point; in fact his post is to respond to the prevailing notion that Deng developing a 3 pt shot will net him the most gains as a player.
I disagree with the notion that Deng is “too slow” to get to the rim. He is not Carmelo, as you pointed out, but he should to develop a way to finish at the rim. I also see him using the move which Scotter described against Miami much more. There are plenty variations of that which Deng should be able to use to his advantage to broaden his repertoire…. He can get his defender off balance long enough to get 2 steps and pull up for the J, he can use the step back more, and he can use the backboard more.
Refreshing post Scotter.
Deng and the 3
ridindirty, you’re right with interpreting Scotter’s comment on Deng developing a 3pt shot, but I think if Deng worked on his 3 enough to where he would be comfortable using it, it would help the spacing of the Bulls and negate a reason to ever see nocioni play.
As for Deng getting to the rim, he is already a pretty good finisher as seen by his 7.7 and 6.7 points in the paint per game the last 2 years. The problem I see with him is that he does not have the elite first step burst that is needed. The players who have a developed midrange game also have a great first step, for example Carmelo and Wade. Not only that, but both Carmelo and Wade are good ball handlers. Another example is irk, irk because there’s no D in Dirk, who normally is able to get by larger defenders but when a smaller guy like Stephen Jackson guarded him, Dirk lost a lot of his effectiveness because he could not get around Jackson. I think that Deng not having that really good first step is going to prevent him from developing a midrange game.
So far, when Deng is able to drive past his guy or cut to the rim, it is usually because he has a 2 or 3 feet between him and the defender so he is able to accelerate then use his speed to get around the defender.
I’ll also admit that it is not impossible for Deng to develop a mid range game, he just needs to really work on his timing and head and body fakes. When I talk about mid range game, I think of a quick cross to drive, shot fake then drive, jab step then shot, jab step then shot fake then drive, and my favorite the catch body fake one direction step dribble in the other direction and shot. There are other moves but I think i listed enough
Good post
I think we agree both in principle and implementation, we were just coming at the discussion from different point of views.
Your last paragraph sums it up nicely. All those moves are great examples of what Deng will one day have in his arsenal. I think that even without a “quick” first step, Deng is athletic enough to develop the moves you listed. I think his lack of athleticism will hamper these moves from 22ft and out, but at 18 ft, especially with his defender guarding him tight (not giving Deng his jumper), his quickness will be of less importance than his ability to sell his fakes.
good analysis Scotter
I just wish I could ever hear this type of wisdom coming from Paxdorf or in the near term future… VDN
ive been a DENG believer since
ive been a deng believer, hehe, but seriously, i agree with you, he needs to solidify that mid-range game first before thinking of some other offensive upgrades, he needs some go to moves too, that way he can establish himself as a certified gamer in the league. in Luol Deng we Trust.
when are we going to add a 7th championship?
by broseleay301 on Oct 3, 2008 11:10 PM CDT reply actions
Passing of the torch?
I agree with this:
prevents him from doing what he does best, cutting to the basket from the weak side. Putting Deng in the post, not only focuses the defense on Deng, but removes the team’s biggest off the ball threat.bq.
But does Tyrus take over that role now in a Rose driven offense? I’d say his lob potential may usurp Deng’s cutting, or at least elevate to a 50-50 level.
If so, Deng needs to develop and rely upon these additional skills to complement his evolved role in the offense.
Lob plays are fine for the first
3 quarters in the regular season, but easy for a good team to defend otherwise. Especially in the playoffs when the refs “let ’em play”. Fun, but the last play you can expect to work.
An opponent’s focus at crunch time on team D also hampers the game of a weak side cutter. IMO, this is why people view Deng as disappearing. Even as he’ll grab an off reb and put it back.
It would be great if TT developed similar weak side instincts that Deng possesses, but such is rare, and a big reason he got the bucks this year as a complementary piece. I think Tyrus might (this year?) display more of a one on one game (like a typical SF) with his ball handling, while Lu might have more of a PF’s offensive game. Not as “go to” as D West, but not “don’t run any plays for me” like S Marion.
Rose is the whole key. When (not if) he’s able to break down the defense, Luol’s gonna get more lob dunks too.
Understand the reason
but don’t think a comparison to ‘Sheed is apt. Deng’s a maximum efficiency player, if he had that size and type of game, he’d post up all the time. I don’t think he’ll fall in love with the 3pter if he extends his range.
If he expands his game outside and inside, I’d expect him to use those skills to take further advantage in the most efficient way.
Let me just add to what everyone else has said:
good post, Scotter, and I agree with you. I believe that Deng went away from his fundamental game when he tried to include 3-pointers earlier on in his career. I say he just keeps it in his arsenal to keep opponents honest.
This reminds me of the young Chris Webber, when the Bullets played the Bulls in the playoffs. Regardless of what he seems to be now, at one point, Chris Webber showed all the promise of a future perennial All-Star. In the first game of the series, whenever the Bulls would leave him alone at the 3-point line, he’d swish a 3. This happened two or three times, and his mechanics were good enough that you could tell these were not fluke shots. The Bulls ended up sweeping the Bullets, but every game was close, including that first one.
On his way off the court, Jordan was interviewed. He was asked about Webber, and Jordan simply said, “I didn’t know he was that good from out there.”
Webber never relied on the 3-point shot or fell in love with it, but rather went to his strength, which was a low post and mid-range game. But he effectively used his 3-point ability to make the Bulls’ bigs come out to guard him, thus improving spacing and creating seams for him and his teammates to try to exploit.
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