Del Negro tinkers, lineup stinkers
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 8:29 AM CDT
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Derrick Rose didn't start the preseason game. Played 26 minutes as opposed to Larry Hughes 31. Priorities!
We're going to tinker with lineups a bit. We're trying to get healthy and find ways to get guys in shape. Don't read too much into that.
Fine, maybe you get a pass this game. Rose missed practice because of a death in the family and maybe...I don't know actually, but whatever.
But no free pass to Mike McGraw:
In some ways, a starting backcourt of Kirk Hinrich and Larry Hughes makes sense. Derrick Rose is struggling a bit to catch up on defense and with a brutal early schedule on tap, why not shield the No. 1 draft pick from some of the November pitfalls?
or John Jackson:
Coming off the bench would be a less pressurized situation for Rose -- especially with the Bulls' tough November schedule. He needs to play about 20 minutes a game, and it doesn't matter whether it's in a reserve or starting role.
The same can't be said for Hinrich and Hughes. Both have been starters throughout their careers and I doubt either would be effective coming off the bench.
ugh.
Hughes and Hinrich was part of a starting lineup that did well on Tuesday, but they didn't do well in the 2nd half, and even if they did well for 12 straight stints it shouldn't matter in determining the backcourt minutes.
In other backcourt news, Thabo Sefolosha had a blistering 2 points in 20 minutes of floor time. I'm sure it's because he's only comfortable starting and getting 30 minutes a game too.
I don't think Ben Gordon is taking extra time with his jammed toe just to prove how much the team needs him. But if he is...point taken.
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But that one shot Sefolosha made was sooo pretttyyy
I’m really upset because Vinny, at this time, can not tinker with a lineup of Rose and Gordon. It’s good to see all the possiblties before the season begins.
by J Theory on Oct 15, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there are still 5 more preseason
games to tinker with the Rose/Gordon, Kirk/Gordon, Hughes/Gordon, Thabo/Gordon lineup. There’s still time.
by NormVanBeer on Oct 15, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt, can you
give us your impressions of seeing the guys live for the first time this year? Is there a noticeable difference in TT, Deng after their glorious summer at IMG? Does Kirk look more bulked up? Were you able to find one skill that Hughes possesses other than being 6’5" and kind of athletic?
by kig on Oct 15, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Deng looked the same
although as you all likely noticed he shot a few 3-pointers. Judging by the way he shot them though, there was no change in his form or his lift, so you’d hope his naturally good shot for a long two can carry out a few extra feet.
Tyrus just looks more comfortable overall. Even on a messed up play with Rose he would talk it out with him immediately. But he’s still settling for his jumpshot and I’m surprised that they can’t run anything specifically for him to isolate a defender. The bad news when he does go to the rim is that he’s still not finishing, good news is that he’s still getting fouled.
Hinrich looked more comfortable, but that was likely because he was playing the point again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and Noah looked really out of it
but I wasn’t expecting much.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What point is taken...
…In Gordon missing games?
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 15, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the point that
besides Rose…the rest of the guards suck and he’s the best one
by NormVanBeer on Oct 15, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In backcourt of suck...
…he would suck less?
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 15, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
suck less...best...it's all a wash on this team
when two of your guards CAN’T shoot, and one of them WON’T shoot, that would be a problem.
BG is needed badly.
by NormVanBeer on Oct 15, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting they both say that
hollinger said in his chat yesterday that he thinks hughes is the odd man out:
RJ(Chicago): Who will be the odd man out in the Bull’s guard rotation?
John Hollinger: Gotta be Larry Hughes. He’s the one guy who they really have no reason to play — Hinrich and Gordon are good, Rose and Sefolosha are young. Hughes is neither good nor young.
Also said the ROY race is a 3 man race between rose, beasley, and oden.
by Jaina on Oct 15, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That would be logical
I’m scared it’s going to take Del Negro half the season to figure it out, though.
by Big D on Oct 15, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won't take Bickerstaff or Del Harris nearly that long
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not as comforting as I'd like it to be
Harris was in a similar role advising Avery Johnson when they started Adrian Griffin in The Finals
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by snley on Oct 15, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that worked in the Finals
However, only for as long as the Heat didn’t attack the inherent weakness in Griffin. Up 2-0 and losing a series means you failed to make adjustments.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything
involved with Hughes playing instead of Rose is a huge fucking mistake. Hell, if you don’t want Rose to start, then fine, start a Hinrich/Gordon back court. But having Hughes start simply because he’s “used” to starting is complete BS. Hughes is also used to sucking at basketball.
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 15, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
unfortunately
i’m used to stupid rotations, and watching young players languish on the bench. I don’t trust the Bulls: not Paxson’s deflation of anything resembling a rotation, not VDN having the moxie to stand up by telling LH to sit down. He can gain that trust – starting there.
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by MPG on Oct 15, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, you had a rhyme going there.
I was hoping for a poem. : )
by tyger1147 on Oct 15, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to play Rose as much as we can
to get him acclamated with the flow of the NBA game. He’s already turning it over at a high rate, but it is learning time. These turnovers do not count in the long run. Get him gelling with his teammates now.
We all need the timing to be as close to perfect as possible.
besides, look at Larry Hughes running the fast break with the ball in his hands. OMG, shoot me.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and viceversa:
the team needs to get used to Rose. For instance, they need to learn (a) good things happen when you give the kid the ball (b) lobs should be thrown up.
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by MPG on Oct 15, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
the team has no reason at all to get acclimated to Hughes. Thus he shouldn’t be playing much even in the preseason, especially if Rose gets put on the bench during his stint.
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by cranscape on Oct 15, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
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by MPG on Oct 15, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes and PT
Unfortunately, Hughes is your best shooting guard. Gordon is too short. He can score but can’t defend. Look for a opening day backcourt of Hinrich/Hughes which will morph during the season into Rose/Hughes. No matter what they say in public, they view Gordon as lost. He’s only hurting himself by again sitting out the preseason with a questionable injury. He is showing himself to be a malcontent.
There is no question that Rose will eventually be the best point guard. Why rush him? Let him play 20 min per game now behind Captain Kirk. Everyone knows he’ll eventually be the starter.
This season is going nowhere, so let’s focus on development of three of our most important assets, Rose, TT, and Noah. With Deng, who is still very YOUNG, you can start to see a nucleus of a real team.
by kmatus on Oct 16, 2008 6:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate when people use this line but
have you even seen Hughes play? By no definition is he the best shooting guard on this team.
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by snley on Oct 16, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I’d rather have Hinrich if Gordon isn’t a factor. At least Hinrich has shot selection even if he doesn’t make them with the regularity I’d want. Poor shot selection can kill the tempo.
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by cranscape on Oct 16, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seen him play
yup he’s bad, but he plays defense when motivated, and because of his size, opposing SG won’t just post him up every play and create mismatches for everyone else. You are correct though, that this team may be so bad that Hughes may never be inspired to actually play. That’s part of the problem with bringing in a nobody head coach that these players don’t respect from the start. Skiles would be more suited to this team than Del Negro.
Again, I am seeing this season as a disaster. The inmates are already running the ship. Gordon is sitting out with an ouchie. Now Hughes is sitting out as well – probably feels slighted because Gordon is getting to skip pratices and preseason games. Deng decides when he will come out of games. Bad signs for the head coach.
Should we start a lottery how how much Gordon will get in free agency?
I am predicting that he either gets no more than 3 years for $30 million or 5 years for $40 million. This is of course unless there is a sign and trade and someone sticks the Bulls whith a bunch of bad contracts in order to compensate for over paying Gordon the defensive wonder man.
by kmatus on Oct 17, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes isn't bad because the team is bad
He’s bad because he doesn’t play defense as much as wait for opportunities to make a steal. Most of the time this leads to his man getting by him and into the paint. Of course, I guess that’s better than having BG posted up a couple times a game at most. He’s also bad because he takes lots and lots of shots that don’t go in at too frequent of a rate.
While my excitement over VDN has diminished over the last couple weeks, you can’t be serious about preferring Skiles. This team is young and in desperate need of sound developmental coaching. Skiles failed in that regard in the past, with most players under him developing little and seemingly on their own. VDN may not prove to be a great choice, but he’s still better than Skiles simply by not being Skiles.
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by snley on Oct 17, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VDN
I guess you are voting for Obama.
We know as much about VDN as we know about him
Wake up, the grass isn’t always greener
by kmatus on Oct 17, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please take your political comments elsewhere
this isn’t the place.
by Jaina on Oct 17, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There have been
numerous snide comments about Republicans here in the past. I figure it is just balancing itself out.
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by cranscape on Oct 17, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whether i agree or not
it’s still not the place. i’d say the same thing to someone on either side. this is a bulls blog.
by Jaina on Oct 17, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
now lets never speak of it again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 17, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, we know less about VDN
Still, VDN’s actually made campaign promises that I wanted to hear. He came in stressing player development, defense, and a fast pace of play. He has plenty to prove and I probably haven’t been as cynical as I should have been. Still, I applaud Paxson for his rare foray into the unproven. After all, every great individual was an unproven commodity at some point.
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by snley on Oct 17, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt said Hughes deserves playing time.
But, I don’t think he meant as a starter.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 15, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean it at all
I meant he deserves playing time in the way that all $14m players deserve playing time.
But even with that I didn’t think he’d start and get 30+ minutes. That’s ridiculous. Though I must say he’s outperforming Thabo in the preseason.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Hughes stat line for the game was
31 minutes, 3-10 Fg, 8 points, 2 assists. Not good enough to warrant pt over anybody.
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 15, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it was trouble when he hit his first shot.
Because then he thinks he’s feeling it…2-9 for the rest of the game…and one of those was a cherry picked dunk, so really like 1-8…God he is a terrible player. Why doesn’t Bulls management see what we see? Is there any chance they are trying to pump his trade value? Even the stupid announcers were talking up his game in the pregame…
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 15, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny with Hughes
because you can almost tell when he’s going to shoot. A few times in a row the Bulls missed shots and you can just feel Larry wants his turn. Sure enough he gets the ball and he forces some unnecessary brick.
by CJ Bulls on Oct 15, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can predict this
imagine what the defenders can do?
Defending Larry Hughes is a cakewalk because his options beyond shooting are easier to defend. Hisshot selection is part of the defenders approach. Make him shoot and you win.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally true
it’s like there’s this timer in his head.
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by MPG on Oct 15, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's like a quarterback, scanning the field for rims.
Only he doesn’t get his reciever to catch the ball too often. But he does think he’s about to be sacked!
by Prevenge on Oct 15, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be one of those guys
who talks about the NBA using pickup game experience, but…
I think everybody knows a player like this. And, even if he’s hot, no one wants him. In this case, I think that applies directly to Larry Hughes.
by potato0328 on Oct 15, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the coaches read this blog
or am I about to pull a muscle patting myself on the back?
Hopefully both. I wrote yesterday that in order to get anything out of Nocioni you have get him started, but you cannot get him started beyond the arc. It’s like his arms haven’t yet fist pumped so they’re not warm enough to put up the 22’ footer yet. However, the 17 footer is where you get him going. Get him some looks in the 12-18’ range and later on set him up in the corner or the high screen.
6 of Noc’s 10 shots were still three point attempts, but on the night he was 7-10 from the field and 4-6 from downtown. That’s 75% from the field inside the arc. More please.
The good news is that I see some good bench rotations that involve Gray and Noc, but will need Derrick Rose running the PG duties to get the most out of Gray and Noc. VDN ran the ideal play twice last night where Gray sets the high screen for Rose, Gray rolls to the rim, Noc runs from baseline to the top of the circle on the oppiste side of the paint where Gray as rolled, and Rose merely maintains space to either drive past his man off the dribble, dumps down low to a rolling Gray or finds Noc stationed wide open at the top of the circle.
You can sub in Noah or Thomas for Gray on the same play and you may even be able to use Gordon in place of Rose.
The good news is that we shot 44% from the arc and held the Wolves to 29. We hit +75 of our free throws, but we still lost the hustle game in the 2nd half conceding the victory. I didn’t notice players shwoing physical fatigue, but you did notice the extra bounce in everyone’s step responding to excellent team defense. I think every shot block was converted into a fast break and a successful bucket at the other end.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't fast break if you don't play defense,
period – and our defense has been dreadful. Gooden, in particular, is lost on defense – I’m looking forward to seeing how we improve once Noah is in there. He’ll give more steals, blocks, and hie is a flat out fantastic team defender with regard to help, recovery, and communication. I found myself muttering some heresy last night: that I would mind seeing Noah and Gooden start. It gives us our biggest interior combination, and our best post-up scorer. Tyrus could still play his 25-30 mpg…
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by MPG on Oct 15, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you catch the beginning of the game last night?
Drew Gooden was playing stellar defense. I thought he had two blocks that led to fast break dunks, but the scorer gave one to Thomas.
I do like Noah as amuch better defensive center because he talks and knows how to use his arms and hands to make passing lanes much smaller that require precision passing that only a half dozen NBA guards can make.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know,
I didn’t catch the beginning of the game – I missed much of the great opening spurt. It’s good to here he was protecting the rim, because to this point in his career, that’s not be his role. Maybe he can do it and just hasn’t been asked; we’ll have to see.
At this point I don’t have a clear idea of what I’d like in the front court. We’re going to observe how Noah meshes with Tyrus vs. Gooden. However, I do think this team really needs Noah’s intensity around the rim.
One of the issues I had with Scotter’s (usually superb) analysis with regard to Noah was how it underestimated the number of shots he alters. Shot blocking and alteration are NOT always linearly related, and I think Noah is a good case in point. And as you point out, he deflects a ton of balls, hedges the screen well, and in general annoys the crap out of people. Where Noah fails (and in this I agree with Scotter) is in clearing the defensive glass. This isn’t a mental thing; it’s a physiology thing. He lacks the mass and physical strength to pin people on his back. Gooden has that kind of ballast – another reason I’d like to see them together.
But time will tell.
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by MPG on Oct 15, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A note about Gooden's blocks
They were help blocks. He netted them as the help defender. He’s really not going to block many shots put up by the player he is guarding.
Noah is denying his man.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially an issue
if your frontcourt is Gray and Noc. (plus Rose, who still gets lost in screens)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why theres hinrich
For at least the first quarter his d was spot on, in the sense that he was staying with his guy. There was only one instance when telfair got around a good screen and was able to hit a solid jumper, after that kirk had a hand in his face the whole time. Telfair still hit a couple shots though, but i wouldnt give to bad defense as much as him just making tough shots. You gotta love vdns way of playing defense, kirk basically met the pg as soon as the other team checked the ball in, whereas the traditional way of guarding the ball handler is to let him get across half court first then defend him. i liked it and felt it put added pressure on the pg of the opposing team, it may fail though when nash, paul, or williams are defended like that. Espeically nash and paul who could quickly make a move past even the most capable defenders.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Oct 15, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a hassling PG doesn't make up for not one but two
bad interior defenders.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it is Telfair
Kurt was going under the screens because Telfair can’t shoot. But shoot enough and eventually you will make some. Telfair connected for two jumpers on Hinrich due to Kirk going under the screen.
This isn’t a mistake. Telfair’s threat is dribble penetration so Kurt played him the way you should. Telfair just made the shots.
On one other player, Kirk went under the scren and Telfair still had an open lane to drive. Deng didn’t step over to cut off the penetration so Telfair had an easy layup.
I noticed the “meet him before the timeline” defense rom Kirk an dI liked it too. Kirk seemed to get into a defensive mind frame when he started guarding the point guard at three-quarters court.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kurt? Wasnt there a thread devoted to this?
Yea, if telfair hit his shots then he hit his shots, but kirk was playing him right, and even when he went under the screens he kept a hand up, thats funamentally sound b-ball right there.
I posted this in the game thread, but i also liked the play after kirk picked up his first foul. Kirks first foul was called a blocking foul, HOWEVER, he definetly got to the spot first and was firmly planted so it should have been an offensive charge. What i liked was what kirk did after that, instead of becoming the mopey iowan of yester-year, kirk instead on the next possesion drove the lane and was just slightly bumped. The refs however called the late foul to make up for the play before, and kirk basically gave back what he lost on the play before. If that isnt a veteran move then i dont know what is.
Kirk had awesome passes during the game that got me all giddy, the play of the game might have been kirks steal, then shot put pass to a running tyrus, ON THE OTHER END OF HTE COURT, perfectly landing in front of him where tyrus was able to dunk it like a pro. Man that play gave me goosebumps.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Oct 15, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk did have
some awesome passes last night.
by sue369 on Oct 15, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he
made a contested layup. Meaning it is possible, though he rarely attempts it for some reason.
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by cranscape on Oct 15, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one other big question i have about last night
is why in the hell did deng play 45 minutes? i thought we were done with this “deng plays whole second half” business! it’s preseason!
by Jaina on Oct 15, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and a follow up
why in the hell did deng play like crap for 45 minutes?
by kig on Oct 15, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely part of it too
it wasn’t like he was doing anything special. he didn’t need to be in.
by Jaina on Oct 15, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt, how did Kirk's passing appear live?
I thought Kirk made some rather awesome passes last night that I had not seen all of last season.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
didn't notice anything in particular
I was actually sitting fairly close and in a corner, so it wasn’t the best way to see all of the court.
Like I mentioned above, Hinrich certainly looked like he was happy as the point again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it gets boo'd around here
But since Vinny is tinkering with the line up and all, how about some Rose at the 2?
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 15, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh, why?
I’m not absolving tinkering for the sake of it either. That’s too Skiles-y
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
Sounds like Hinrich is much better at pg and Rose knows how to move without the ball, especially since he came from a motion-heavy offense at Memphis.
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 15, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if Hinrich's better
top priority is to make Rose better.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
shooting is not Rose’s strong suit. He’s here to penetrate, push the ball, hit open people – and after a grand total of three games, I’ll say he’s going to be brilliant in this role. Rose is probably the fourth best shooting guard on this team – behind BG, Kirk, and Thabo. So by playing him there, we both lose our best point guard and bench three better players.
A 3 guard rotation: that’s what I want to see. Rose and Gordon to start, Hinrich backing up both, getting his minutes as a point in the process. I don’t care if they’re short – they’re the best we’ve got.
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by MPG on Oct 15, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the point?
Rose doesn’t have a jump shot, he should have the ball in his hands as much as possible.
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by snley on Oct 15, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rose-Hinrich backcourt is the Bulls’ best choice. Gordon will take nearly all of the backup minutes in the backcourt.
If it’s anything other than that, then we have a bad scenario. Disappointing to see Larry Hughes starting …. but Del Negro says he wants to tinker a bit so that’s fine, it’s not long term at this point.
by NBR on Oct 15, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i actually have no problem with Hughes starting
just as long as he doesn’t get heavy minutes, and/or finish the game.
by NormVanBeer on Oct 15, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starters are at least getting 15 minutes
too heavy for Hughes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no.
There’s no use of having a player on the court when they shoot 30%, whether they play 8 minutes or 30 minutes. TT and Hughes talk about lack of minutes? Well, their play last night talks for itself.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Oct 15, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This hurts Kirk the most
Like Rose, Kirk needs the basketball to do what he can do. Neither is particularly effective off the ball. Kirk’s the better shooter, so one of them has to be the SG and that falls to Kirk.
Kirk’s defense is another reason to have him play SG so looking forward in the preseason i really need to see point production around 25-28 per night between Kirk and Rose if this really can be an option starting in the backcourt.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seemed to me that Noch was the only Bull
that seems to get things right with Rose.
1. Rose drives
3. Find open shot
4. Catch pass
5. Shoot
I was getting really irritated watching Deng or Thomas catch a pass in the mid-range area and be wide open and then try to dribble in and get lost in traffic.
Rose got the penetration, just catch and shoot if your opened.
I dunno that’s just something the guys will have to get used to.
by Edicus2288i on Oct 15, 2008 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Which is why
Gordon is (hopefully) going to avg 20/game easily if he gets significant minutes with Rose; he’ll just be spotting up and knockind down j’s all day long.
by kig on Oct 15, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon is not a great catch and shoot player right now.
Although I have little doubt he could develop it.
by CJ Bulls on Oct 15, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's strange
he actually does often pass up the catch/shoot to dribble and take harder shots. They used to run a play for him coming off a baseline screen that he’d always catch/shoot/make.
I think it was more of a matter of him not being that open in the past. Hopefully that changes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that
he makes it look easy, he gets a single screen catches and shoots the ball almost in one simple move, so effortless and swish. But yea he never was a big catch and shoot player. It is one of the peeves i had with him, since often hinrich would give him a nice pass at the perimeter where he was open, and he would instead opt to make a move or two. He would usually still score, but it would irk me that he didnt get hinrich an assist.
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by piccolomair on Oct 15, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gah???
for reason is there gah???
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by piccolomair on Oct 15, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
turning a good thing for the team into a frustrating experience for you...
…because it seemed to hurt Hinrich’s stats.
by tyger1147 on Oct 15, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course its frustrating
You ever play basketball with a guy who just made things harder for no reason. I know this one guy i play with, he is a pretty decent shooter, so when he is hot we would get him the ball on the perimeter. Well many times he would catch the ball and stand there looking at his defender, and wouldnt bother taking a shot until his defender was dangerously close to him. He would still score but it always seemed like a boneheaded play. Shots fall easier when you are open.
That being said, guys who are good shooters tend to annoy me when they miss out on a good look (i hate that hinrich has a similar habit) during the mavs game it was something that i think pissed everyone on this site off. Rose would would get some good looks to a bunch of our players and they would pass them up. One of the reasons nash was able to rack up alot of assists before stoudamire came back was due to the fact that the d’antoni system required the players to shoot when open. In the mavs game i remember rose setting deng up a few times, and deng decided to use size up moves on the upcoming defender instead of knocking down that j that is usually money for him. THat irked me as well.
OF course when the players score its a good thing, but its kind of like watching a guy throw up a crazy shot for no reason. When it goes in you might be like okay at least it went in, but if it hadnt man that guy would be dead. Thats how i felt many times watching gordon, except gordon being such a skilled player was usually able to convert even with some pressure on him. It irked me though of why couldnt he just knock down the j after hinrich gave him the ball, after he was open.
Also there are some people who just base players off of stats alone, and sometimes i wonder if gordon had caught and shot the looks hinrich gave him, would hinrich be viewed as a more potent pg?
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by piccolomair on Oct 15, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the general sentiment of this post.
You catch the ball and you’re open, shoot it. into the hoop. We’re playing basketball here, you’re paid massive amounts of money. It isn’t that hard.
I do think Gordon’ll do it a lot better this year though. He won’t have to create as much, so he can get more into that ‘pick + pop’ mindset.
by Prevenge on Oct 15, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its movement without the ball
Thomas and Deng were stationed on the baseline to receive passes from a pentrating Rose. This isn’t always the best position. Thomas and Deng will need to either cut to the rim or move laterally towards the timeline to pull their defender away from the paint. Their man will leave them to cheat down to cut off Rose so Deng and Thomas must get in position wheren they can catch and shoot, but also draw their defender away from the rim.
Deng working on extending his range to 22’ will help immensely.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else about ready to give up on thabo?
i realize it’s the preseason, but he still has the same problems he’s always had, namely that he can’t shoot and turns it over too much. show me a list of effective 2 guards in this league with no jump shot.
by Calogero on Oct 15, 2008 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thabo's nitch will be in the Bruce Bowen like defensive stopper role
Just need to get that 3 point percentage up and they are pretty similar.
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 15, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a much easier role to fit into
when you have Duncan in the middle drawing double teams
by kig on Oct 15, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bruce bowen has a jumpshot
its much easier said than done to just “get that 3 point percentage up.”
by Calogero on Oct 15, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Bowen has the cred to foul like crazy
on D
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is starting to get irritating
that his shot doesn’t look that much improved. He had one nice step in 18 footer, but going 1-5 on jumpers is not acceptable…. unless you’re Larry Hughes – then you get paid 14mil a year for it.
by kig on Oct 15, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His form and arc look a lot better to me
It’s an awfully small sample size to say it’s not improved. Plus, he was shooting under duress. Thabo should only be shooting on a catch-and-shoot. Otherwise he should be driving or looking to pass.
by CJ Bulls on Oct 15, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
attack the rim
Thabo will make open shots. He won’t make contested jump shots. He has to make the defense protect the penetration adn you won’t get them there without attacking the rim.
Off the bench, Thabo’s first move with the ball should be dribble penetration.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately he's not that good with his dribble
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am
if he plays well and takes a role, I’d be happy, but I certainly don’t want the Bulls planning their future around him. I want to shout this from the mountaintops: HE’S NOT THAT GOOD A DEFENDER. And he’s certainly not good enough to justify Gordon or Kirk on the bench.
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by MPG on Oct 15, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where will thabos minutes come from?
If Hughes is in the rotation at all and BG ankle is fine then the back court minutes are taken. Plus we got NOCE, Deng, and TT at the 3. Doesn’t seem like theres enough minutes to go around
by Blacknight23 on Oct 15, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was tinkering with trade machine
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=5093562456&teams=41818&te=&cash=
What do u guys think? Buy out Marbury E. rob style. Free up minutes in the backcourt and free up cash for BG.
by Blacknight23 on Oct 15, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would be a nice way to free up a bunch of cash, but I think the only way Marbury leaves the Knicks is if he's bought out
They have 2010 plans of their own
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by snley on Oct 15, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade doesnt affect them
hughes still comes off in 2010 and they have several other players who wont be there because of players options (Curry, Q-rich, Jerome James). They still will be able to offer Lebron the max. NY cares nothing about paying the luxury tax.
by Blacknight23 on Oct 15, 2008 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like J Theory posted, Noce's contract will still be ther in 2010
As to those you listed with player options, none of them have reason to not exercise those player options. They were all overpaid to start with and as they’ve each regressed since joining the Knicks, it’s unlikely they’ll get bigger contracts later. That gives them even more reason to dump as much now as they can, including attempts to give Randolph away. While Dolan’s been willing to sign off on some terrible contracts, they won’t be able to go max on LeBron if they aren’t under the cap.
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by snley on Oct 15, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see
wishful thinking. Q rich and J.James have player options for this offseason not next meaning there history summer 2010. Curry has a player option for each of the next two years but i would think he would want out of NY especially if hes not even in Dantonis rotation. But again wishful thinking why couldn’t Pax just sign Noce to a three year deal??
by Blacknight23 on Oct 15, 2008 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He wants out
But he’s not giving up on 10mm to leave. I can’t imagine he’d even get the midlevel, but you never know in the NBA. Diop just got the midlevel.
by CJ Bulls on Oct 15, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diop gives you solid minutes though
He does rebound and he does block shots and he does set screens and he does clog the paint.
I never thought I’d say Diop would have a better career than Curry, but he’s on his way.
Curry in shape is good, not great, but his conditioning issues do disallow most any progress. This is the NBA. Why cant pros stay in shape?
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your assessment
but neither deserves the midlevel. And Diop is the bizarro Curry.
I think it’s a matter of liking basketball. If you don’t really like the sport and you just happen to be tall you don’t care about staying in shape. He already has all the money he could really ever need.
by CJ Bulls on Oct 15, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't remember which recap of the game I read this in
One of the local papers had a quote from Vinny about Derrick, and he basically said they put a bunch of stuff in during the Monday practice that he missed and that they wanted to work on. If that was the impetus behind him coming off the bench, presumably he’ll be caught up by Friday’s game.
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by wjb1492 on Oct 15, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense.
I read that somewhere too…and there were some new things in the first quarter. I just wish it was Thabo starting in front of Hughes. I know there is a lot of Thabo hate on this board, but he is a better option on both ends of the floor than Hughes.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 15, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes hate>>>>>>>>>Thabo hate
And the “hate” of Thabo stems from the fact that he can’t shoot well, but at least he doesn’t hoist 10 ill-advised jumpers a game.
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by Ozzie Montana on Oct 15, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That 3 he put up at the end was horrendous, though.
Nothing but air. Took that one right out of Hughes’ shot selection. Yuck.
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by Illini15 on Oct 15, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that shot killed our momentum
it really was awful.
by Jaina on Oct 15, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst play of the game. Even worse than Hughes' CP3 "impression" on the fast break.
That was hysterical.
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by Illini15 on Oct 15, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 on 1...Hughes bringing the ball up court...
Deng on his left, TYRUS to his right…throws this horrendous underhand lob/pass to Deng. Actually, I couldn’t really tell who it went to, but I believe it went out of bounds and/or he charged. It was horrible.
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by Illini15 on Oct 15, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He tried to dribble behind his back also
Then tried laughing it off, while King were speechless to describe it.
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 15, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The behind the back dribble was actually nice and the only good part of the play
Everything else about it sucked
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by Illini15 on Oct 15, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The play was scored a turnover
I don’t know if they called the offensive foul on Hughes, but he did charge into his man. The ball went out of bounds anyway.
It was just awful. Hughes had lob pass dunks to his left and his right. It was one of the few times ever that Hughes will have options the defense cannot take away.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The play was scored a turnover"
Thanks for the fantastic insight, NBAO ;)
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by Illini15 on Oct 15, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What an infuriating evening.
The quickets way to sabotage this season and thwart Rose’s growth is to assign his minutes to the walking black hole known as Larry Hughes.
Astrophysicists should study the properties of Larry hughes. Time slows near Larry Hughes. Space expands. His head band is an event horizon.
I don’t care how the Bulls performed in the first quarter, I don’t care what the plus minus statistics suggest, I don’t care whether Hughes gives us the “best chance” to win immediately. I don’t care. Rose is the future of the franchise, not Hughes.
The Bulls organization is occassionally baffling. We could draft a player named “Larry Kareem Abdul Magic Jordan” and somehow Paxson would find a way to drain the joy from the fanbase with his conservative approach to roster management. If we had gotten LeBron, we’d just be inserting him in the starting lineup this season…if he “earned” it.
OK, rant over. Hopefully this was a one time occurrence.
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by 1958ChiTown on Oct 15, 2008 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
"his head band is an event horizon"
you get the gold star for the day.
(let’s hope the Bulls season isn’t his accretion disk.)
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by MPG on Oct 15, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am worried this is going to another long season.
The one excpetion will be watching Rose. We look like we are headed to another interesting draft night. I hope I am wrong and we snap out of this. We did not look competitive against Dallas. Indiana and MN are not your top tier teams and we lost. I know it is pre-season but this is troublesome.
by chgobr on Oct 15, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news
We aren’t talking about Kevin Love who says he’s shocked by the pace of the NBA game.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This season would have been 300 million percent more depressing
Without Derrick Rose. We would have been acting like Brook Lopez was the answer to our low post problems.
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by Ozzie Montana on Oct 15, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not even think about that.
Blech.
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by Illini15 on Oct 15, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, the other exceptions will be...
..Thomas and Noah breaking out and Deng returning to form. I’d like Gordon to perform great, but he’ll never be a total stud. If these four can cement themselves as starts w/ a very bright future, I’ll be happy… almost no matter what else.
by tyger1147 on Oct 15, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I see it …. Derrick Rose, Kirk Hinrich, and Ben Gordon all need to be playing 30 minutes or so a night. Leaving hardly any room for Thabo or Hughes.
Then at small forward you have Deng and Nocioni …. so it’s not like you can find minutes there for Hughes/Thabo either.
I’d like those five guys to be the primary rotation on the perimeter. Then use Thabo as a utility player who fills in when guys are performing poorly, foul trouble, injuries, or the team desperately needs a long defender at the two.
by NBR on Oct 15, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I second it
Thabo and hughes should only be used for defensive purposes against the kobes of hte league.
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by piccolomair on Oct 15, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree.
The rotation players should be Rose, Hinrich and Thabo. It appears these are the only players that are in the Bulls future plans. I think Gordon can find a role like Jannero Pargo had when he was a Bull, instant offense off the bench. Hughes should be wearing a suit every night.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 15, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pargo?
I needed a laugh today. Someone should bring up Pargo every week. On Mondays. Mondays need more humor.
I don’t care if Gordon is gone in a year. Rose needs to win a few games this year. Gordon should be playing. Thabo could play every minute of every game I seriously doubt he will shoot any better. His shot looks terrible and he supposedly worked on it over the summer. He can’t dribble so his ball handling and penetration abilities are in question too. If they are sticking with Kirk (who can’t hit an open jumper) and Rose then they need a new guard who can shoot. Hughes is out of the picture and Thabo is only good for defense. It should be Rose/Kirk/Gordon now and in a year Rose/Kirk/Someone else.
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by cranscape on Oct 15, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice of Gooden to come out and say this is a rebuilding year
I mean, we all pretty much know that, but I don’t like hearing that from a player.
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by CubsClapp on Oct 15, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its not like Gooden
Is part of the rebuilding plan anyway…he is a pawn with an expiring contract.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 15, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure of that
PER of 17.5 with Bulls last year and has looked good in this preseason. We may need Tyrus to pull off a big deal and keep Gooden instead.
by CJ Bulls on Oct 15, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Gooden has looked good?
Did you see how Erick Dampier punished him inside? Did you see the drives to the hoop that were uncontested in both games Gooden started?
Drew Gooden is an average basketball player with an expiring contract. He is a bone headed defender. There is a reason we are his 4th team. Its more likely that we trade an expiring contract at the deadline than our own #4 overall pick who is just now developing on and off the court.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 16, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you seriously judging him
when he’s playing completely out of position. He’s a PF, not a C. Dampier might be the strongest player in the NBA. He doesn’t belong at center. He’s not a horrible defender, not a great one either. But he’s the best offensive big we have, by far. He’s a capable player who just outplayed Al Jefferson in the last game.
by CJ Bulls on Oct 16, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on Dampier
I don’t get why everyone’s appalled that Dampier had a few dunks. He’s huge. That’ll be a problem for Gooden.
But the bad rotations are the bigger problem, and since Gooden has had the ‘space cadet’ label his whole career, I’m not sure it’ll change in a few weeks. At least we get to see what Michael Beasley’s defense will be in a few years.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 16, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I am seriously judging him.
I have seen him play more than four seasons. Drew Gooden is who I think he is…An expiring contract who can score a little in the post, but will give that right back with his crappy defense. Playing with Noah should help to hide his deficiencies. I hope the contract year is enough motivation that he contributes positively to the team. But, he should not be in the Bulls long term plans.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 16, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ericka Dampier's big ass body is the only reason he's in the NBA
And you’re shocked that he used it to his advantage, like 3 times?
And, yes Gooden is an average NBA player who can look good on bad offensive teams (like he did last season). He is a dunderhead on defense, and all we need him is to put out a big contract year and make some other team stupid by signing him.
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by Ozzie Montana on Oct 16, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is why, if you're going to start him,
you better look at starting him beside Noah.
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by MPG on Oct 16, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dampier
His contract isnt guaranteed for 2010 so he’s only got this year and next left on his deal. Now that the Mavs have Diop back in the fold, maybe he’d be worth trading for.
by Sports2 on Oct 16, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey....
that’s not bad right there. Fanpost?
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by MPG on Oct 16, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, not bad at all
I’d think they’d prefer something like Damp/Stack for Noc/Hinrich. I don’t think they’d want Larry Hughes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 16, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
though
then beyond Diop the Mavs have no center.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 16, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you mean the Mavs are getting hosed
that’s only if they’re concerned about their long-term salary. In terms of talent they come out way ahead.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 16, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because any trade involving Kirkie Franchise...
…is against the law?
by tyger1147 on Oct 16, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
I’ve been told Aaron Gray is one of the best backup centers in the league already.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 16, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case why trade for Dampier
when we could just start Gray?
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by MPG on Oct 16, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Dionysus2.0
And think it would be sad if Gooden somehow stays. Unless the plan is to shoot for mediocrity.
We got rid of Wallace, who once was great, for a couple who never were and never will be anything memorable. That was the price necessary, and now we have to deal with the fallout: the temptation to use competent veterans that will hamper the growth of young ones with more “potential”. To not be swayed by the games Gooden has against the dregs of the NBA, games TT should dominate. Even Hughes is capable of having himself a game every now and then, just less (39%?) often than Drewbeard will.
The specific point made that C is not Gooden’s position is well taken. But I still say if (for some reason) you’re a big fan of his game, you need to pay more attention.
by marionette on Oct 16, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On any championship team you need players who can play but aren't stars.
I don’t see how him staying means they’re necessarily mediocre. He’s paid at 7mm right now and not likely to make much more after that. He’s big (for a PF), athletic, and can score. If his expiring contract nets them something better, I’m all for it. But to trade any competition for Tyrus and just pray that he develops is a mistake. Plus with the current rotation, there’s enough minutes available for everyone.
by CJ Bulls on Oct 16, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Mike (Chicago): Hey coach, after seeing three preseason games of the Bulls backcourt, who do you see is the best fit and who do you see is the odd man out? Or is it still too early w/o BG in the lineup yet?
David Thorpe: Hughes would be my guess.
by Option27 on Oct 15, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope he means Hughes is the odd man out
by Option27 on Oct 15, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i took it to mean that he was answering "who is the odd man out" part of the question
same question to hollinger yesterday who answered likewise.
by Jaina on Oct 15, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes also sat
out of practice today with an “ailment”. Hopefully it’s a 2 or 3 week ailment. :D
by sue369 on Oct 15, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC Johnson said
It was knuckle…nothing too serious.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 15, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well shit.
Maybe it will get worse. :D
by sue369 on Oct 15, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toes, knuckles...
He could be out for weeks. :)
Maybe it will prevent him from shooting.
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by cranscape on Oct 15, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a bum
Can’t play with a hurt knuckle?
Why one time I cracked my knuckle and it hurt really bad….but I still played recreational ball with my buddies from time to time!!!!!
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 16, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But if you stood next to Hughes, would you feel taller than him?
In judging NBA players, that is what truly matters
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Oct 16, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sitting out
at least he’s showing up for games….
that one-ups him on BG
by kmatus on Oct 16, 2008 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grammatically at least, Thorpe could be referring to either. Or both.
by Sports2 on Oct 15, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thorpe's chats are pretty awful.
He’s really lazy at responding. Like, so lazy he doesn’t really even answer half the questions he gets.
But at least he loves Tyrus!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Oct 15, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes no sense
Deng confirmed Del Negro’s contention from Tuesday night that Deng waved off several attempts to substitute for him in the game. Deng clocked 44 minutes 45 seconds of playing time. That included the entire second half. “I wanted to get a rhythm, since the first two games I had been in and out a lot,” Deng said. “Still, every time I saw someone coming to halfcourt to check in, I thought it was for me.”
Wow, I always thought the coach decided when a player should be taken out of the game. I guess they weren’t kidding when they described Del Negro as a “player’s coach.”
by Big D on Oct 15, 2008 11:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The more quotes I read from VDN and players alike
I really, really think we’re going to fucking tank this year. Should be a blast!! Demar DeRozan here we come!!!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Oct 15, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can any player do that?
Is that why Hughes is getting so many minutes?
by silentpete on Oct 16, 2008 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happens when 6 players want to go into the game?
Do they fight to the death?
by Big D on Oct 16, 2008 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If thats the case
I bet that Noce would win
Homecoming
by illwill on Oct 16, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they enter...
THE THUNDERDOME.
Two players enter. One player leaves.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Oct 16, 2008 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read this too!
and to think i was questioning vinny about leaving deng in too long…. well he should have forced him out cause he wasn’t doing much.
by Jaina on Oct 16, 2008 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to see Deng wanting to work through his struggles during a game
but yeah, the more tired he gets the more likely he gets injured, VDN should have taken him out
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Oct 16, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
def, i like seeing that deng was trying to find his rhythm
but 45 minutes in a preseason game? unnecessary.
by Jaina on Oct 16, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh my god
you guys are like some screaming ninnies over a preseason game. Deng needs to get in a rhythm, he didn’t play well but a large of our season’s fortunes rest on Deng going back to his 06-07 form. I was upset that we didn’t see more of the great Roger Powell too, but you guys need to climb out of your panic rooms.
by DangerMouse on Oct 16, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ignoring tell-tell signs
gooden said rebuilding season…just lower our expectations and no need for the panic rooms. If you can’t and need to panic because you expected more, then take up your complaint with management. What exactly is management’s expectations this year? The players are exactly who they are no more no less. The coach is exactly who he is, and the assistants are exactly who they are.
Don’t worry be happy and watch Duhon score and become the high point man high assist man in the Knicks victory against Philly last week.
by exult463 on Oct 16, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell tale
I think most of us just want some good decision making with what pieces we have right now. The team isn’t perfect, but that doesn’t mean they are excused for everything that happens this year. They should be able to pull of a positive season with the pieces they have.
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by cranscape on Oct 16, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no idea what you are talking about
did you read what you wrote before you hit post? might be a good idea for next time.
Seriously, I don’t know if you are intentionally doing a Dennis Green impression or not. I expect this team to win 39 to 43 games this year. If Drew Gooden wants to call it a rebuilding season, that his perogative. But you know, they play to win the games!
by DangerMouse on Oct 16, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he only had 5 assists
not that great.
and what a shame to waste duhon’s one typical good shooting game a season in a preseason game! :D
by Jaina on Oct 16, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet 50 BAB points
that if Hughes can play tomorrow night he starts. That should never happen again but I just have a feeling it will.
by sue369 on Oct 16, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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