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Nocioni, Gordon, show different preseason philosophy

Gordon's stubbed toe:

Guard Ben Gordon missed the team's first two exhibition games with a bruised big toe and likely will remain out tonight when the Bulls (0-2) host the Minnesota Timberwolves at the United Center.

Gordon was matter-of-fact when asked about his return.

''Whenever it stops hurting,'' Gordon said.

Nocioni's knee tendonitits:

Specifically, Nocioni did little between helping Argentina claim a bronze medal and reporting two weeks ago for five straight days of double sessions.

"I'm not feeling my best shape right now," Nocioni conceded in his endearing English. "I felt tightness in my knee, so I just needed to rest a little bit and that's it. I feel better."

Nocioni said he'd play Tuesday night

Considering Noc has been absolutely terrible thus far in the preseason, wouldn't you rather he took a Gordon approach and not rush his return?

As much as it'd be nice to see Gordon play alongside Rose and practice the new system in a game situation...heck, he probably figures the Bulls will bench him no matter what. So might as well heal.

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noch

is a true man

It aint easy bein' Piatkowski

by Yibs on Oct 14, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i knew I forgot that tag

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 14, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and risk more pain & injury

in meaningless preseason games?? Sure, that’s the way to go!

by NormVanBeer on Oct 14, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What did he do last year?

He’s acting like a little baby because he didn’t get his contract. He wasn’t to get paid like a superstar then act like one. You see Kobe playing with a damaged pinky, Wade with a torn shoulder, and so on.

by J Theory on Oct 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did either of them play with those injuries in the preseason?

Would either of them have played with those injuries in the preseason?

Lil' Jon, he always tells the truth.

by upther on Oct 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw Gordon's interview...

seemed to me like he was faking his injury. Stubbed toe from kicking something at home sounds a bit bullshit. I think he’s still mad for not getting his contract. He needs to man up and stop being such a damn baby.

by aznsensation on Oct 14, 2008 1:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just so everyone knows

I’m making meatball lists off of this thread for survey purposes.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 14, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To see who makes the blogabull regulars cut?

I kinda liked last years “every time the bulls lose, we will lose an ignorant poster” it was starting to get crowded in the game threads with negative reaction (even though by the end of the season, negativity became the norm)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Oct 14, 2008 1:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was an extreme situation

but I won’t rule it out. It was extra fun for me.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 14, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm surprised Bullshooter hasn't been discovered posting under an alter yet

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by Illini15 on Oct 14, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you mean discovered by you....

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 14, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh my god,

they’re all spies. He could be ANYBODY.
I’m imagining a scene from the Bourne Ultimatum, he changes his identity and you catch him, but he comes back from almost certain death.
Maybe a little less dramatic.

by Prevenge on Oct 15, 2008 11:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are talking about a Toe. A TOE

I’m talking about playing. Not pushing your self hard or to the limit. It’s preseason with a new coach and a new system. What will hit hurt with a TOE to just run a few plays and then sit down the rest of the game? Don’t you think that would help a team learning a new system?

by J Theory on Oct 14, 2008 3:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i tend to agree

if the injury is as non-serious as they claim, he really has to be out this long?

by Jaina on Oct 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As long as no Bull pus up 25+ in the preseason

Ben Gordon won’t have to worry about playing in the preseason. His regular season minutes will be there.

I’d rather the expected regular rotation players be healthy for preseason games in addition to showing up to camp in shape. Having a new coaching staff makes this imperative. If you’re hurt, you’re hurt. If you’re not really hurt, KC will tell us.

by NBA Observer on Oct 14, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 14, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Despite my occasional Noce flag-waving,

I have no problem admitting how awful he’s been. Point being: if your team’s strength is “depth”, it make zero sense to “play hurt” if it’s going to effect performance. And play hurt in the preseason, it’s doubly stupid.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Oct 14, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, he has nothing to prove by playing through his injury

In fact, Noc can take as much time as he likes to recover. His fist pumps and high fives will be just as effective while dressed in street clothes for a while.

by RogersPark Kris on Oct 14, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with the blogger

Noce should take a break. But he is the kind of player that needs to be forced out by the coach because he will play thru unless told to do otherwise

by JustAnotherFan on Oct 14, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noc is taking himself out of games anyway

with his fouls. Unfortunately the less Noc plays at the 4 means that the more Cedric Simmons plays period. That is unless Michael Ruffin can play.

ugh. The depth in the frontcourt has me worried. It’s enough to make me forget and neglect the guard rotation which is probably the bigger problem

by NBA Observer on Oct 14, 2008 10:20 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Unfortunately the less Noc plays at the 4 means that the more Cedric Simmons plays period"

Ugh ???

What about Gooden/Noah/Tyrus at the 4 ? I think you can “not play” Noc at the four and distribute his minutes to those 3 without having to play Simmons !

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Oct 16, 2008 7:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its one thing

to play hurt for a good reason like if you are still preforming well and it is the playoffs or something. But playing hurt during the preseason AND sucking it up on the floor. That is stupid.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Oct 14, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My take

It’s preseason, I’d rather Noc play than sit just to get a bit more familiar with VDN’s style more than anything.

Of course if he’s still hurt when it counts, I’d rather he sits. But if Noc is trying to get back into game shape, by all means play him and let him get some familiar grounds.

by majoyenrac on Oct 14, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like Nocioni follows schemes anyway

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 14, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He

Still needs to get in shape. :).

by majoyenrac on Oct 14, 2008 12:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His knee pain likely will be here for the whole season

He twisted it in the Olympics, still played anyway. He doesn’t know the phrase “shut it down”.

Maybe if we make this phrase into a cartoon he will understand.

by NBA Observer on Oct 14, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, there are times you must play in pain

The fucking PRESEASON isn’t one of them. Noc needs to sit, because tendinitis can linger all season long. If he won’t sit on his own, the coaches need to sit him. For God’s sake, if missing a couple games is going to damage anyone’s ability to learn the system, then they’re probably so stupid that they wouldn’t have been able to figure it out anyways. Is Del Negro really running anything that complicated anyways?

by Big D on Oct 14, 2008 11:09 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

plus it won't help the ol' trade value

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 14, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe they TOLD Gordon to sit out

so he wouldn’t get hurt and they could trade him for some front court help. I know it’s complicated to trade him without his consent, etc. Just being optimistic.

by hhirb on Oct 14, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's a mythical indicator

Bulls roster players that will have a “shirt off our back” night at the United Center.

12/2: Larry Hughes
1/23: Joakim Noah
2/12: Derrick Rose
2/28: Kirk Hinrich
3/6: Luol Deng

Nothing about “gorilla off our back” night at the UC. Sorry.

by NBA Observer on Oct 14, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hughes? Seriously?

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Oct 14, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe they will take hughes' jersey of his back

and forget to give him another one…you think hed get the message then?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Oct 14, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Preach it, brotha.

They need to make him sit. We don’t need him getting seriously hurt and tanking his trade value.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Oct 14, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could something smart be happening?

Get rid of Hughes, Gooden, Gordon and whoever they get for him and have a ton of money to spend next year?

by hhirb on Oct 14, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's more like something stupid just happened.

like right here ^

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 14, 2008 1:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yawn.

the bulls need to run their offense/defense. they need to practice everyday, like their competitors. That is the reason the preseason counts. Nocioni is out there because he can be out there. He has also been a salary employee all summer long and is in better shape. Ben Gordon was just recently employed, is not in top shape, and is injured.

Having Ben Gordon on the court limbing around will not help anyone. It will delay Ben’s healing, and stall the running of the game.

Matt, why don’t you whine about why one eyed Noah is not on the court?

All three of them listened to the team doctor and did what they were told.

by chicago-homesick-blues on Oct 14, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 14, 2008 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah!

why? huh?

Y’all make my brain hurt.

by marionette on Oct 14, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is the most confusing post I've seen in some time.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Oct 14, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.500 <= winning pct. after first two regular season games.

means vast improvement over skiles,
plus having gordon, noc and noah in the line-up is gravy!

by exult463 on Oct 14, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nocioni should get some rest … it’s only preseason

by NBR on Oct 14, 2008 6:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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