Nocioni, Gordon, show different preseason philosophy
Guard Ben Gordon missed the team's first two exhibition games with a bruised big toe and likely will remain out tonight when the Bulls (0-2) host the Minnesota Timberwolves at the United Center.
Gordon was matter-of-fact when asked about his return.
''Whenever it stops hurting,'' Gordon said.
Specifically, Nocioni did little between helping Argentina claim a bronze medal and reporting two weeks ago for five straight days of double sessions.
"I'm not feeling my best shape right now," Nocioni conceded in his endearing English. "I felt tightness in my knee, so I just needed to rest a little bit and that's it. I feel better."
Nocioni said he'd play Tuesday night
Considering Noc has been absolutely terrible thus far in the preseason, wouldn't you rather he took a Gordon approach and not rush his return?
As much as it'd be nice to see Gordon play alongside Rose and practice the new system in a game situation...heck, he probably figures the Bulls will bench him no matter what. So might as well heal.
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by Yibs on
Oct 14, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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i knew I forgot that tag
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 14, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Gordon needs to realize that sometimes you just
have to play through pain.
by J Theory on
Oct 14, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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and risk more pain & injury
in meaningless preseason games?? Sure, that’s the way to go!
by NormVanBeer on
Oct 14, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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What did he do last year?
He’s acting like a little baby because he didn’t get his contract. He wasn’t to get paid like a superstar then act like one. You see Kobe playing with a damaged pinky, Wade with a torn shoulder, and so on.
by J Theory on
Oct 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT
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Did either of them play with those injuries in the preseason?
Would either of them have played with those injuries in the preseason?
Lil' Jon, he always tells the truth.
by upther on
Oct 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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I saw Gordon's interview...
seemed to me like he was faking his injury. Stubbed toe from kicking something at home sounds a bit bullshit. I think he’s still mad for not getting his contract. He needs to man up and stop being such a damn baby.
by aznsensation on
Oct 14, 2008 1:12 PM CDT
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Just so everyone knows
I’m making meatball lists off of this thread for survey purposes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 14, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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To see who makes the blogabull regulars cut?
I kinda liked last years “every time the bulls lose, we will lose an ignorant poster” it was starting to get crowded in the game threads with negative reaction (even though by the end of the season, negativity became the norm)
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by piccolomair on
Oct 14, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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that was an extreme situation
but I won’t rule it out. It was extra fun for me.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 14, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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I'm surprised Bullshooter hasn't been discovered posting under an alter yet
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by Illini15 on
Oct 14, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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you mean discovered by you....
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 14, 2008 4:40 PM CDT
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Oh my god,
they’re all spies. He could be ANYBODY.
I’m imagining a scene from the Bourne Ultimatum, he changes his identity and you catch him, but he comes back from almost certain death.
Maybe a little less dramatic.
by Prevenge on
Oct 15, 2008 11:32 PM CDT
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We are talking about a Toe. A TOE
I’m talking about playing. Not pushing your self hard or to the limit. It’s preseason with a new coach and a new system. What will hit hurt with a TOE to just run a few plays and then sit down the rest of the game? Don’t you think that would help a team learning a new system?
by J Theory on
Oct 14, 2008 3:38 PM CDT
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i tend to agree
if the injury is as non-serious as they claim, he really has to be out this long?
by Jaina on
Oct 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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If everyone else is going full-speed?
How is going half-speed going to help the team?
by tyger1147 on
Oct 14, 2008 4:01 PM CDT
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Who is going Full Speed?
It’s preseason.
by J Theory on
Oct 14, 2008 9:19 PM CDT
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So if everyone is going half-speed?
How is that better than practice?
by tyger1147 on
Oct 15, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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As long as no Bull pus up 25+ in the preseason
Ben Gordon won’t have to worry about playing in the preseason. His regular season minutes will be there.
I’d rather the expected regular rotation players be healthy for preseason games in addition to showing up to camp in shape. Having a new coaching staff makes this imperative. If you’re hurt, you’re hurt. If you’re not really hurt, KC will tell us.
by NBA Observer on
Oct 14, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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ha!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 14, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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Despite my occasional Noce flag-waving,
I have no problem admitting how awful he’s been. Point being: if your team’s strength is “depth”, it make zero sense to “play hurt” if it’s going to effect performance. And play hurt in the preseason, it’s doubly stupid.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Oct 14, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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Yeah, he has nothing to prove by playing through his injury
In fact, Noc can take as much time as he likes to recover. His fist pumps and high fives will be just as effective while dressed in street clothes for a while.
by RogersPark Kris on
Oct 14, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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I agree with the blogger
Noce should take a break. But he is the kind of player that needs to be forced out by the coach because he will play thru unless told to do otherwise
by JustAnotherFan on
Oct 14, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Noc is taking himself out of games anyway
with his fouls. Unfortunately the less Noc plays at the 4 means that the more Cedric Simmons plays period. That is unless Michael Ruffin can play.
ugh. The depth in the frontcourt has me worried. It’s enough to make me forget and neglect the guard rotation which is probably the bigger problem
by NBA Observer on
Oct 14, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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"Unfortunately the less Noc plays at the 4 means that the more Cedric Simmons plays period"
Ugh ???
What about Gooden/Noah/Tyrus at the 4 ? I think you can “not play” Noc at the four and distribute his minutes to those 3 without having to play Simmons !
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on
Oct 16, 2008 7:22 AM CDT
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Its one thing
to play hurt for a good reason like if you are still preforming well and it is the playoffs or something. But playing hurt during the preseason AND sucking it up on the floor. That is stupid.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on
Oct 14, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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My take
It’s preseason, I’d rather Noc play than sit just to get a bit more familiar with VDN’s style more than anything.
Of course if he’s still hurt when it counts, I’d rather he sits. But if Noc is trying to get back into game shape, by all means play him and let him get some familiar grounds.
by majoyenrac on
Oct 14, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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Like Nocioni follows schemes anyway
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 14, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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He
Still needs to get in shape. :).
by majoyenrac on
Oct 14, 2008 12:35 PM CDT
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His knee pain likely will be here for the whole season
He twisted it in the Olympics, still played anyway. He doesn’t know the phrase “shut it down”.
Maybe if we make this phrase into a cartoon he will understand.
by NBA Observer on
Oct 14, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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Yes, there are times you must play in pain
The fucking PRESEASON isn’t one of them. Noc needs to sit, because tendinitis can linger all season long. If he won’t sit on his own, the coaches need to sit him. For God’s sake, if missing a couple games is going to damage anyone’s ability to learn the system, then they’re probably so stupid that they wouldn’t have been able to figure it out anyways. Is Del Negro really running anything that complicated anyways?
by Big D on
Oct 14, 2008 11:09 AM CDT
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plus it won't help the ol' trade value
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 14, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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Maybe they TOLD Gordon to sit out
so he wouldn’t get hurt and they could trade him for some front court help. I know it’s complicated to trade him without his consent, etc. Just being optimistic.
by hhirb on
Oct 14, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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Here's a mythical indicator
Bulls roster players that will have a “shirt off our back” night at the United Center.
12/2: Larry Hughes
1/23: Joakim Noah
2/12: Derrick Rose
2/28: Kirk Hinrich
3/6: Luol Deng
Nothing about “gorilla off our back” night at the UC. Sorry.
by NBA Observer on
Oct 14, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
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Hughes? Seriously?
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by Illini15 on
Oct 14, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
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Maybe they will take hughes' jersey of his back
and forget to give him another one…you think hed get the message then?
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by piccolomair on
Oct 14, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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Preach it, brotha.
They need to make him sit. We don’t need him getting seriously hurt and tanking his trade value.
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by Illini15 on
Oct 14, 2008 12:43 PM CDT
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Could something smart be happening?
Get rid of Hughes, Gooden, Gordon and whoever they get for him and have a ton of money to spend next year?
by hhirb on
Oct 14, 2008 12:54 PM CDT
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I think it's more like something stupid just happened.
like right here ^
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 14, 2008 1:13 PM CDT
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yawn.
the bulls need to run their offense/defense. they need to practice everyday, like their competitors. That is the reason the preseason counts. Nocioni is out there because he can be out there. He has also been a salary employee all summer long and is in better shape. Ben Gordon was just recently employed, is not in top shape, and is injured.
Having Ben Gordon on the court limbing around will not help anyone. It will delay Ben’s healing, and stall the running of the game.
Matt, why don’t you whine about why one eyed Noah is not on the court?
All three of them listened to the team doctor and did what they were told.
by chicago-homesick-blues on
Oct 14, 2008 3:01 PM CDT
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what?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 14, 2008 3:10 PM CDT
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yeah!
why? huh?
Y’all make my brain hurt.
by marionette on
Oct 14, 2008 3:17 PM CDT
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This is the most confusing post I've seen in some time.
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by Illini15 on
Oct 14, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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.500 <= winning pct. after first two regular season games.
means vast improvement over skiles,
plus having gordon, noc and noah in the line-up is gravy!
by exult463 on
Oct 14, 2008 3:20 PM CDT
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Nocioni should get some rest … it’s only preseason
by NBR on
Oct 14, 2008 6:47 PM CDT
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