Gordon's decision made - just not known [UPDATE (?)]
by NormVanBeer on Oct 1, 2008 8:20 AM CDT
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[Update: KC's blog:
If Ben Gordon keeps his word about practicing on Wednesday, it will have to be at the evening session.
As the morning session began Wednesday, Gordon sat in the lobby of the Berto Center, wearing a sweat suit and perusing his handheld device. Gordon said he has made his decision on whether to sign a one-year qualifying offer for $6.4 million or accept a six-year deal worth roughly $58 million but wouldn't reveal the decision.
"Be patient," Gordon said.
Earlier this week, general manager John Paxson said little progress had been made on a longterm extension. Asked if that remained true, Gordon smiled.
"You never know," he said.
Huh? -ed.]
according to KC:
Ben Gordon said he would practice Wednesday as a Bull.Whether he will do so after signing a one-year qualifying offer or a long-term extension is known to Gordon and some close confidantes, who said the fifth-year guard had made his decision.
Gordon, who watched Tuesday's practices from the sideline, wouldn't comment. If he signs the one-year deal worth $6.4 million, Gordon will be an unrestricted free agent next summer.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-01-bulls-boxoct01,0,3551621.story
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If it is the QO, why not say? This makes me think he chose the long-term offer.
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I can see that line of thinking
as in they’re just hammering out whatever it takes to hammer out a contract.
That said, by this point I’d be absolutely floored if he doesn’t take the QO.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 1, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt
If BG took the QO would it be easier to trade him to a contender before the deadline-because BYC issues go away, for example? And might this play a part in BG’s thinking in maybe wanting to take the QO?
by hlac on Oct 1, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not Matt
and he probably knows better than I do, but I think any trade of BG after he takes the QO would need BG’s permission because it would involve waiving his Bird rights. That, I think, would make it harder to trade him, although maybe not; if he doesn’t intend to sign with the Bulls next year anyway, he doesn’t need his Bird rights, and he might love to play for a contender instead of the Bulls. Who knows?
by arjoseph on Oct 1, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I think Bird rights also include a team's ability to exceed the cap to sign him,
at least to more than the MLE, and none of the teams with likely cap space to do that next year are at all likely to be contenders at midseason.
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by wjb1492 on Oct 1, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even sure that BYC issues go away actually.
The way I figure it is that I can’t see a reason why Gordon would give up his Bird rights, and to a lesser extent why the Bulls would want to give up (assuming dealing a rent-a-Gordon wouldn’t get much in return) the option to sign/trade Gordon next offseason.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 1, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gordon is still BYC even if he signs the QO
So my understanding of the cap is that any raise greater than 20% of his last year’s salary would make him BYC.
However, instead of the typical 50% value that we tend to associate with BYC, Gordon’s cap value for the purpose of a trade would be whichever is greater, his last year’s salary ($4,881,669), or 50% of the QO ($6,404,749), so in this case it would be his last year’s salary, which would make a trade significantly easier. So if we traded Gordon, his value to the incoming team would be (6.4 million), but outgoing from us would be (4.9 million).
by Jamaicanpi on Oct 1, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
added to this post
If Ben Gordon keeps his word about practicing on Wednesday, it will have to be at the evening session.
As the morning session began Wednesday, Gordon sat in the lobby of the Berto Center, wearing a sweat suit and perusing his handheld device. Gordon said he has made his decision on whether to sign a one-year qualifying offer for $6.4 million or accept a six-year deal worth roughly $58 million but wouldn’t reveal the decision.
“Be patient,” Gordon said.
Earlier this week, general manager John Paxson said little progress had been made on a longterm extension. Asked if that remained true, Gordon smiled.
“You never know,” he said.
KC’s blog, earning #2 status!
I don’t know…I still think even if Gordon’s flashing that impish grin of his, it’s just to mess with KC (and us).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 1, 2008 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude totally signed a 6 year contract. I wonder if it's more than the 59?
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by Illini15 on Oct 1, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not easy to do.
It is coming on to noon and no answer. This points to something is brewing.
by chgobr on Oct 1, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fully agree.
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by Illini15 on Oct 1, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon has until 11pm
to sign the QO, so says Hanley.
He also says that a long-term deal is “not on the table”…which seems strange to say. I was under the impression that the QO and the LTD were both still an option.
by NormVanBeer on Oct 1, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Same here
and I now think BG will sign the LTD. He’s not stupid. He gave it a shot for two years, seemed to get the same message in the S&T market, realizes what free agents many teams are earmarking their cap space for a shot at, and sees no reason to take on additional risk if the potential reward doesn’t warrant it. BG takes the Bulls LT offer, makes peace, and the Bulls move on to a surprisingly successful season.
by messwiththebull on Oct 1, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hope he doesn't wait that long though
given he said he’s made his decision. it’s kind of annoying waiting it out!!! ;)
by Jaina on Oct 1, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could be working on a sign and trade.
The Bulls may have told Gordon to sit it out, because they have a suitor on the phone and are just working on the dirty details. I just what we would get back in exchange…?
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 1, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My theory is that they are trying to add incentives to the contract and are checking with the league
office to see if it conts toward the cap.
by chgobr on Oct 1, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds to me like he just meant a long-term deal other than the one we've been talking
about forever – as if Pax and the agent have been trying to put a variation of a longer deal together, but Hanley doesn’t think they’ve put anything new out there. It wasn’t worded well, but that’s what makes sense to me. If BG was just deciding between QO or nothing, there wouldn’t be any reason to be talking with the agent that I can think of.
I’ll just be glad when I finally know the answer and can quit obsessing over it. This checking for a deal every 10 minutes is really not letting me get much work done! ;)
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by wjb1492 on Oct 1, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I spent too much time today checking this site as well as Bulls.com.
There is something going on. There is no other explanation for this to be going on all day like this.
by chgobr on Oct 1, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Judging by the past
Don’t be surprised to see the Bulls drag this on with no result.
I’m almost certain he’s taking the QO
by Option27 on Oct 1, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I'm recalling the Skiles and Hinrich negotiations
To me, that history gives indication they’ve been waiting until the last minute to give BG an offer they’d been sitting on.
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by snley on Oct 1, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been waiting all day fo this to go down.
The minute I fall asleep tonight they will make an announcement.
by chgobr on Oct 1, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This contract hold out of Gordon's
must be a distraction to the team at this point. He said he would practice today, and now he is not. This is really frustrating for me as a fan, so I can only imagine how frustrating it would be for a teammate.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 1, 2008 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont understand why you are so frustrated
it’s really not a big deal
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by tyrus4prez on Oct 1, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your anti-Gordon thoughts in every single post
doesn’t really help matters.
by NormVanBeer on Oct 1, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not anti-Gordon.
I am pro Bulls…When I see a player doing something that is detrimental to the team, I call it what it is…He is holding out in a contract dispute. While it may not have an impact on the season, this must be distracting for the rookies Del Negro and Rose…
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 1, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is not holding out in a contract dispute
He doesn’t have a contract. He is not technically a Bull.
by JeffD on Oct 1, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 days doesn't matter
He’s not a rookie. And this isn’t football.
by JeffD on Oct 1, 2008 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard a rumor that the hold up is that they are talking to UTAH
not sure if its valid or not.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 1, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You heard as in what?
are you citing an article? If it’s true, we’re totally getting kirilenko.
by Jamaicanpi on Oct 1, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirilenko's too much money
I think Okur would be more likely if a deal with Utah were actually happening. I don’t think it is though. With how much Sloan seems to favor size, hard to believe that BG would be a player he’d even want on his team.
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by snley on Oct 1, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting and not surprising if it was true
Imagine if it was Boozer for Thomas and Gordon……..
Or Boozer for Gordon and Noah……
Or Boozer for Gordon and Thabo and Gray……
With the contingency that Boozer is going to resign with the Bulls…..
Of course it’s probably AK47, who’s solid but redundant with Noc/Deng.
by majoyenrac on Oct 1, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the redundancy
Unless you mean that he’s redundant because he can play small forward; otherwise, he plays entirely different from both Noc and Deng. I’ve read that same statement elsewhere and I just don’t see it. I am not saying I love acquiring Kirilenko and his massive contract, but I personally think he’s not a bad option, especially, if we rid ourselves of a bad contract and can acquire an extra piece to sweeten the pot.
Regardless, a rumor from a blogger, no offense Ibleedbullsred, is not a lot to go off of.
by Jamaicanpi on Oct 1, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's mute now
But AK47 is redundant because he plays SF (redundant with Deng)….
If we switched him to PF, he’s redundant because we have a MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper Gooden and a potential defender in his realm to be in Tyrus Thomas (with bigger upside and much much much cheaper too).
If we didn’t sign Deng for a billion dollars, then I wouldn’t hate to have AK47, even if he was our PF (have Tyrus play some SF minutes to back up Noc in that scenario).
But that ain’t happening and thus AK47 ain’t necessary….Boozer obviously gives us post scoring, which would be awesome….
But yeah this point is dead, I just saw your response….
by majoyenrac on Oct 3, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather
Us get Odom for less money and 1 more year remaining to help us decide :).
by majoyenrac on Oct 3, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally
I know it was a rumor from a blogger, but there definately were talks between Jazz and Bulls this summer (reported several times across the web). I bet AK47 was one of teh “bad contracts” that Paxson supposedly nixed in sign and trade talks…..
by majoyenrac on Oct 3, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you can't cite anything, or at least call yourself plugged in
then don’t bother.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 1, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said it was a rumor from the jump, its just a comment Why Be an asshole.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where is the rumor from?
did you read it, hear it whispered through some air ducts, what?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so what are we only supposed to post facts on here no opinions?
Like I said from jump its a rumor, if I belived it was 100% gospel then I would have stated such. What I said is I heard a rumor, then I went on to state that I am not sure if its valid or not. I didn’t even say that I belived it or not. If this is the case you need a sign that says don’t post rumors without citing something.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry dude
but saying you heard a rumor is not an opinion. I think it’s reasonable to disclose the source of the ‘rumor’ you heard since we’re all interested if it has any legs. I guess according to you anyone can just say they ‘heard a rumor’ and come up with some crazy shit… here, I’ll give it a try:
I heard a rumor that Pax is talking to Atlanta about a trade for Joe Johnson. I don’t believe it, but I heard it… and I’m not going to tell you where I heard it from.
See, kind of ridiculous, huh?
by kig on Oct 2, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guys, i don't think it's that bad
it was just a comment.
unlike the people who clog the fanpost area “OMG THE BULLS COULD GET AMARE!!!!!!!”
please.
by Jaina on Oct 2, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, do I have to go to dictionary.com on you.
rumor. 1. a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts: a rumor of war.
2. gossip; hearsay: Don’t listen to rumor.
3. Archaic. a continuous, confused noise; clamor; din.
4. to circulate, report, or assert by a rumor: It is rumored that the king is dead.
rumor.
A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth.
Unverified information received from another; hearsay.
I didn’t say I would not disclose the source & I didn’t try to give it any legs. Just trying to share. Its resonable to disclose the souce if it would mean anything or prove anything or if I belived the source were accurate even so yes you can do as you please and If you are so smart then you can figure out where I heard it. Also yes your rant is ridiculous.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you kinda summed up the whole argument
if it is “a piece of unverified information”, then it’s probably best to not post until it has a little more body to it.
Random rumors don’t go over well on this site.
If you really felt the need to post it, then maybe you could’ve re-worded it like:
“I heard a rumor on the radio that the hold up is that they are talking to UTAH”
“I heard a rumor from my friend that the hold up is that they are talking to UTAH”
Nobody’s asking you to reveal the original source. Simply just tell us where you heard it…on the tv, the radio, the internet, a friend, etc.
by NormVanBeer on Oct 2, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
don’t bother if you can’t add anything beyond ’it’s a rumor’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
& matt next time I won't
Like I said put up a sign no rumors without source. Otherwise if its not in writing there is no need to try and beat up on someone. Just tell me do you want rumors or not. If you need the definition its been posted.
Yall sound like some kids!! Boo hoo he play the game how I want to play it so I’ll just take my ball and go home.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you
don’t do it. No rumors without a source, or saying that you’re a source.
I wrote it above: " if you can’t cite anything, or at least call yourself plugged in then don’t bother."
Is that clear enough for you? You have to play the game my way.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put it on the rules page, too
So I can say I contributed.
Thanks
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
simple as:
Link and Quote the sources. It’s really really easy with the new system. There’s no excuse. With rumors too!
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
It applies to everything. I think you have too broad of a definition of ‘rumor’. Or are confusing it with speculation. Link and quote anything, or say it’s your speculation, or say you’re a source. I don’t have to believe you, but if you are say it.
I really don’t understand how you are confused that people aren’t satisfied with you just saying ’it’s a rumor’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I was trying to satisfy, just trying to share new information.
I see now the error in my ways. But don’t beat me up for a rule specifically about rumors after the fact. If its not cited then I guess its not appreciated and now that I know that I won’t do it again. Why would I do something that is not appreciated, I am not trying to piss anybody off. I love the bulls and was trying to to share. Golly Geez Wally For someone who has been dealing with fans & non fans for so long one would think it wouldn’t be a big deal especially since I said “not sure if its valid or not” There are many comments that I have look at and said, oh well moving on & I am sure you have too.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apology accepted.
just don’t let it happen again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bahhha haaa humbug
I gave enough clues if you can’t figure it out then so be it.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you just say
“bah humbug”???? what the?
by NormVanBeer on Oct 2, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never claimed
I am ‘so smart’. I do appreciate your childish response, though.
Can’t wait for your next rumor post. I’ll be sure to reply.
by kig on Oct 2, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see that. LOL As if jumping on me for various bogas reasons isn't childish.
No need to post any more rumors. I’ll just say its my opinion unless Matt can handle it and decides to ban me.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean if I can't handle it
I really really can’t. really.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I didn't I wasn't talking to you. I was responding to KIG.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"unless Matt can handle it"
eh?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, cant you ban people and isn't this your site?
I wasn’t talking to you I was talking about you.
by Ibleedbullsred on Oct 2, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as several have said to me in the past
are you trying to be an ass?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it appears the hope of a LTD was for naught
Afternoon update: Ben Gordon skipped double sessions for the second straight day Wednesday, making false his claim from Monday that he’d practice today.
The Bulls expect Gordon to sign a one-year tender offer for $6.4 million by Wednesday’s 10:59 pm deadline.
Who knows what actually went on today between Gordon’s people and the front office, but it appears to have mirrored what happened the entire summer.
by Calogero on Oct 1, 2008 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully that's just Pax blowing smoke.
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by Illini15 on Oct 1, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I read KC is he is quoting what has been said before that the Bulls feel he will sign the QO
You quoted KC correctly.
The Bulls expect Gordon to sign a one-year tender offer for $6.4 million by Wednesday’s 10:59 pm deadline.
I do not see this as new news. If Gordon is waiting for 10:59 to sign the QO in the hope another team is going to make an offer he really is not reading the market correctly. I am still hopeful he is negotiating a LTD.
by chgobr on Oct 1, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
i guess it isn’t really new, I just wish our beat reporters could get us some more inside info
by Calogero on Oct 1, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
Throw us a bone here, KC. We’re begging.
Is there any way Matt can get some press credentials? I’m serious
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by Illini15 on Oct 1, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago Bulls reporting is pathetic. You would think KC would develop sources to give him
some clue as to what is going on. What I mean by what is going on is, “Are they negotiating a LTD.?” You would think someone around the Berto Center has a clue to what is happening. You would think a decent reporter would have enough curiosity and perseverance to find this out. There is a possible interesting story here which will never be written.
by chgobr on Oct 1, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard he didn't just not practice,
but was a no-show for the later practice? If true, that doesn’t sound like things are going positively as of this afternoon…
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Oct 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC too agressive?
Don’t you guys think that KC is being too agressive with BG? I supose that he, as much as we do, want BG to sign with the Bulls, but I think he’s being to agressive when he is writting about BG… Did anyone heard the questions KC made to BG on media day? And BG didn’t liked much… Maybe is just me, but i think he’s not being correct…
“making false his claim”
C’mom… BG said that because he believed that we was going to sign erlier today. But I must confess that I’m beginning to feel irritated with all this waiting… Fuck!
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on Oct 1, 2008 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well
If Gordon and the Bulls aren’t talking and he just blew off his promise it’s pretty accurate.
If Gordon and the Bulls are working in good faith on a new contract then (even if they don’t get a deal done), I think it’s pretty gutless piece of journalism (which is to say, par for the course in journalism today).
by Sports2 on Oct 1, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I just don’t see Gordon telling an obvious lie like that. KC has been up and down, he is not a good beat writer in my opinion. A good beat writer develops relationships with the PLAYERS, they are the ones most likely to give you juicy quotes and information. All KC’s sources are from Bulls management. Which makes him a puppet for their version of event.
by DangerMouse on Oct 1, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree! I should have replied what I wrote above here.
There is a possible very interesting story here that will never be written.
by chgobr on Oct 1, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can a player hold a front-office job at the same time he plays?
Maybe the Bulls could circumvent the cap by hiring Gordon to be their official contract negotiator. Right or wrong, he certainly seems to be a cool customer in the face of a deadline.
by Sports2 on Oct 1, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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