Knicks-Blazers trade

by Sambossanova on Jun 28, 2007 8:56 PM CDT Comment 29 comments

I know everyone here hates the pick. But unless I am not getting something here, portland is the one that got screwed over with this trade. Steve Franchise played horrible basketball and is a complete mess. Channing Frye got worse last year and is a poor mans aldridge next year.

Aside from Randolph's jailblazer/strip club reputation, he has an inside outside game, so he doesnt completely overlap with curry. Plus he can actually rebound. Still no intimidating shot blocking presence for the knicks, but now they have freakin dan dickau. Who the hell doesnt want a guy like dan dickau. He will make page six at least once.

The only reason I see portland would make this move is because francis' huge contract expires right about the time that they will start extending their young core's contracts (Particularly roy's and aldridge). Meanwhile the knicks will be back in cap hell but no one really cares about the salary cap in nyc. Couldn't the blazers have gotten a better deal for Randolph (at least an extra pick). I guess the bulls had their chance to get randolph but didnt want him.

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everyone here hates the pick?

You sure you asked the right people?

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 28, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you...

I'm legitimately scared of this deal, its a win win for NY and Por. They both get a good deal Blazers starting 5 is now.

1 - The Franchise
2 - Roy
3 - Outlaw
4 - Aldrige
5 - Oden

Thats good.

Just say no to... Hawes.

by SouthSideIrish on Jun 28, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How is it good for

NY?

I hope for Noah but I expect Hawes.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 28, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In NYkers eyes

Isiah will have gotten rid of a useless headache that they didn't like anyway (Francis) and upgraded with Randolph (over Frye). Say what you will about Francis, but losing Frye does stink for them. I see their starting 5 looking like this.

1 - Starbury
2 - Jamal Crawford (Thanks Isiah!)
3 - Jefferies
4 - Z-BO (D-Lee off of bench
5 - Curry (Thanks Isiah!)

I think that gives them some versatility with big men. Granted they still can't play defense, Z-BO is a headcase, and Curry is looking more like Homer Simpson in the episode where he ballooned himself to over 300 pounds so he could collect disability. So maybe it isn't that great for NY and Portland robbed them blind, but one should be wary of two GREAT post players playing for the same team.

P.S. All of what I just said can be made null and void by the genius that is Isiah!

Just say no to... Hawes.

by SouthSideIrish on Jun 29, 2007 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Portland has Frye

by bu11s on Jun 28, 2007 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Francis will apparently be bought out

He and his mustache paid millions to be a free agent this summer.

Let's finish Zeke off with a diamond in the rough!

by cubbybear on Jun 28, 2007 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

which is obvious

paul allan has the money to pay him

which brings me to a side point....

I don't mind that the NBA has a soft salary cap (ts better than baseball), but if you buy out a player, it should be some sort of penalty to the team....maybe 1/2 on salary cap value. It's just ridicoulous that they get a player to make the trade work then buy him out...seems ugly

by milesgmsu on Jun 29, 2007 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They do, doofus.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 29, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry...

little too much partying wiht noah last night

by milesgmsu on Jun 29, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i like the Noah pick...

At that spot, Noah was the guy. Hawes is going to be a bust.

by Rick S on Jun 28, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It seems like Portland

was trying to dump Randolph, and was happy to get a shorter, big contract in return. I agree they sold low on him.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 28, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Noah!

That was stupid to trade for Randolf. Channing Frye, Greg Oden and Lamarcus Aldridge! Wow.

I hope for Noah but I expect Hawes.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 28, 2007 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

pick

shit...i meant the knicks. I like Noah. Or Im neutral about noah. Im not ready to say hawes is going to be a bust, but whatever. Noah is tall and we dont have to pay some ridiculous amount for a big man who can defend but wouldnt be able to score anyways.

by Sambossanova on Jun 28, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Zach Randolf sucks ok.

New York is dumb there was no chance in hell Paxson would have traded his dirty underwear for him. Portland must have really wanted to get rid of him to take on Steve Fransis. So that trade speaks of the value GM's put on him. If Zeke trades for him you know....... I mean come on.

I hope for Noah but I expect Hawes.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 28, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

What I don't get is...

Really, that was the best the Blazers could get for Randolph??? Are you freaking kidding me?

The "Franchise" makes teams better AFTER he leaves them, just check the records. He's always disgruntled and gets paid waaaay too much. Frye I'm indifferent about.

You mean to tell me the Bulls didn't offer the 9th pick, a sign and trade of PJ Brown, and maybe even their choice 2009 2nd round pick. Heck, I would've even tossed in the Bulls 1st rounder next year. Since they don't need to stockpile young talent anymore. Then the Blazers take Law at 9 and have a lineup of Law, Roy, Aldridge, Outlaw, and Oden all for the next decade if they want.

by CubFan81 on Jun 28, 2007 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

methinks

the Bulls didn't have the contracts, and Peej isn't under any obligation to be signed and traded anywhere.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 28, 2007 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats what Paxson just said on the score670

Basically. He was saying he's not worth the money and they didn't have the contracts. He said his character was not an issue but thats BS.

I hope for Noah but I expect Hawes.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 28, 2007 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Flaws

You cannot trade back to back number 1 picks in the NBA.

You cannot do a sign and trade deal until after July 1st.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jun 29, 2007 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It sounds like JamesOn and Gray are

going to be tried out.

I hope for Noah but I expect Hawes.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 28, 2007 11:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This was my favorite part of the night

It's delicious for both teams.

It was like Dolan put Isiah in 'time out' for a year, and today was like 'ok, you can have some money again'. And immediately he takes on a contract like Randolphs.

Contracts aside, this makes little sense after all the sunshine he's been blowing up Knick fan's asses over how great Eddy Curry is. He said how important it was to get a big man to complement Curry and in Randolph he got one that duplicated him. On offense they do similar things (Randolph at least has some range which may help space the floor) and they're both terrible defensively.

And Portland....

Not as much for the team, but for their fans who laughed off the idea that the team wanted to dump Randolph and his overpaid contract for anything. This was a complete salary dump, that's all he was worth.

The Bulls may have been into the action if they had the right contracts. But I think the fact that the Knicks wanted him means we should be happy he's away.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2007 12:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It is an admittance

that Curry isn't that great. That's what I like.

Who has the most potential on the Knicks? David Lee. Who is the most likely to see his time cut with Zach there? David Lee. Who may now try and getout of NY when he gets to be a restricted free agent? David Lee.

Geesh, Zeke, another bad contract on the books.

by KT on Jun 29, 2007 5:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you think the tribune can take down the

Randolph can be had-with a ton of baggage article now? Its been up for about 5 years now.

I hope for Noah but I expect Hawes.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 29, 2007 1:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Has anyone thought about Randolph living in NYC?

I love Randolph and have pined for him to be on the Bulls on this site for years. But, this is a guy who finds trouble in Marion, Indiana and Portland.

What's going to happen to this guy in freakin' New York City? :)

Not to mention from a basketball standpoint, the Knicks found a way to get another overpaid, shoot-first, no-D "star."

I'm going to sit back and enjoy this one.

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Jun 29, 2007 7:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

personally

I think this trade is horrible for NY.
They prolong their cap limitations beyond a decade and can only hope to sign players to the MLE. This team, as currently configured, really has no hope of ever competing for anything above a 6th-7th seed even in a weak Eastern Conference. They have two big men with onerous contracts that do NOTHING besides score on the low block and rebound. I mean, these guys don't run well, don't handle well, don't pass, don't block shots, don't man defend, don't zone defend, don't generate steals, don't tip passes, don't move in offensive sets ... they only score on the low block and rebound ... oh, and socialize and/or eat.
Where are the passers on this team? Name one? And how do all of their driving guards, who are also shitty defenders, take to the rack w/ two big fat-asses littering the lane?
I think the winner here is definitely Portland. They reduce their cap implications considerably, drop a player that negatively affected team chemistry, add a guard that has had issues but certainly raises the talent level at a position of need and they add a low cost big man to bring off of the bench. This team is a SF away from being competitive tomorrow.
As for the Knicks, they just shat on Lee's potential, added 60 million to the next four years of their cap, duplicated a player in the frontcourt, re-deluded a fan base inexplicably (how do they keep buying this garbage), somehow subtracted from their team chemistry while trading away Steve Francis and guaranteed Isiah will be the coach at the end of next season.
I don't know how that is good for the Knicks. Zach's 20-10, in this situation, equates to the calories in a twinkie.

by CookDing on Jun 29, 2007 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I can't wait

to see Curry, Z-Bo and Nate Robinson on the court together. Not only will there be a race to see who can grab the ball first on offense and jack up a crazy shot (if you steal the ball from your own teammate do you get credit for a steal?), but would it be possible to put a worse defensive trio out there? They're REALLY going to need Renaldo Balkman's hustle, passion, and proven (NIT) winner status now.

Also, even if Randolph magically improved his defense and passing, I still wouldn't like this trade from the Knicks' perspective. Now they're pretty much forced to bury their best player (David Lee) on the bench or play him or Randolph way, WAY out of position at the 3.

by Petor on Jun 29, 2007 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

stephen a said NYK won

which means they lost

Here's my take

Curry and randolph play the exact same positio...cept zbo is left handed which will help some. That being said, the best part is they dropped francis. New York obv got the ebst talent, but he doesn't fit the team.

As for portland, it was a salary dump, but there had to have been better offers out there than channing fry; why not try to wrangle a first rounder or 2 out of NYK

Both teams lose; blazers slightly less

by milesgmsu on Jun 29, 2007 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

heh

I love this reaction from Posting and Toasting:

The "exclusive interview" with Isiah is a must-read. Like this part:

On Zach Randolph playing with Eddy Curry...

Thomas: We are a team that pounds the ball inside. We win by going to the foul line and outscoring teams in the paint and we are a big power team. Those two guys on the block will be tough to handle and will have the ball in their hands a lot.

Translation: "I don't know how the fuck this is gonna work either."

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2007 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Isiah is classic

Every year when he describes the Knicks, its like a madlib game. We're a ___ team. We like to ___. _____-ing is what brings us success.

Every year, the madlib answers are totally different.

I wanna dress like Joakim!

by preverbal on Jun 29, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isiah is also the classic

sociopath. He has a silver tongue that can contradicts what he said last month. He sounds convincing and can fool many people, particularly young basketball players. Honesty is a word he doesn't understand. The Knicks, via outspending everyone, made an attempt to improve via this risky trade. I'm rooting for the sexual harassment lawsuit to expose Isiah as the dishonest bully he really is. I despise the Knicks!

by chgobr on Jun 30, 2007 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs