A plan of attack from the Alamo

by Jesse07 on Jun 20, 2007 11:35 PM CDT Comment 41 comments

Recently, I have been a little worn out with all the draft speculation, so I spent some time gauging interest of Bull's players from other team's blogs that might have a scoring big for sale. I don't know if Portland is still high on fumes from getting lucky in the lottery, but both blog-nations seem very far apart, and a deal is unlikely. I decided to turn my attention to plan B, or for me plan AAZ.

The consensus among mock drafts is the Bulls are drafting Noah as an instant contributor and future Big Ben replacement, so a inside scoring big is still missing.

First, I gauged interest in Chris Duhon, but I didn't get the response I was looking for. I tried to build up the response by staying mysterious, but Spur's fans are probably taken the week off.

Secondly, I posted a comment in another thread
on "Pounding The Rock" and found Spur's fans interested in both Noce & Duhon.

Duhon and Nocioni are just what the Spurs need. I would love to have both of them. I dont know what players the Spurs will have to send to match salaries. Maybe something like Scola's rights, Ely, Udrih and soemthing else for Noce and Duhon......
AND
why not bring nocioni to San Antonio? He has spur written all over his face. He defends, rebounds, scores (a lot better than bruce) and of course is argentinian, which is always a plus.

It would be crazy, but bloggers are actually suggesting a trade that would benefit each team. The Bull's can keep their #9 and still get someone who can score in the post. Also, Scola can put in some solid minutes without hurting Tyrus's development. Scola can help the Bull's team in the post until Deng, Tyrus, or both of them get a reliable post game. On the other hand, the Spurs would reload with a solid backup point guard that they desperately need, and a SF who can replace some of the older legs in there 3 position.

This would give Paxon so much flexibility. He could draft Noah as a replacement for Big Ben, and the Bull's window for a championship just extended. Also, he could draft a project big like Yi or Hawes if he thinks one of them is going to be a star. He can develop without the instant pressure put on lottery picks. Finally, he can just grab the best player available and make this Bull's team deep at the 1 or 3 again and not have to worry about a young big because a young big would be coming in the Scola trade.

Too bad this cannot happen before the draft, but I have complete faith that Paxson already has this sitting on the back burner- right next to the boiling pot making a mess, we call Kobe.

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Actually Kobe would be a boiling pot of beef

since that is what he was named after.

by SRQman on Jun 20, 2007 11:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I posted that today.

I can't imagine going through life named after especially soft cow meat.

Let's finish Zeke off with a diamond in the rough!

by cubbybear on Jun 21, 2007 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my cousin

veal picata greengard seems to get all the women

by milesgmsu on Jun 21, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ha ha

Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 21, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Appreciate the effort, Jesse07

Good to get a sense for what other diehards are thinking...

by paxson43 on Jun 20, 2007 11:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Now that, my friend

is an interesting idea.

Personally, I think I like Noc (and to a lesser extent Du) more than most Blog-a-bullers, but Scola and Ely could really really help us.

Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 20, 2007 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ya; cuz ely looked stunning

sititng behind the bench during the playoffs run

lets not forget we'd be trading a 15 pt scorer, and a backup PG, for a guy who's never attempted a shot in the US, and melvin ely

id want future firsts

by milesgmsu on Jun 21, 2007 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It sounds pretty even to me.

Duhon & Ely both career backups, but they can help there respective teams.
Scola & Noce both foreigners about the same age who can be solid contributors on a team.

A lot of deals fall through because teams ask for too much. Both teams need to realize it is the best thing for both clubs. They each will be filling two needs with players that do not fit with there team and get this done in early July.

by Jesse07 on Jun 21, 2007 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Noce's 15 points

Look, I love noce as much as anyone here (espescially cause of the argentina connection), but his 15 points weren't missed mnuch when he was injured. His points aren't that type of points that dissapear when he doesnt play. He is an awesome role player, 4th scoring option on a team. Personally, I'll miss his firy red air and personality more than his scoring if hes not a bull next year. I love it though how everyone here assumes he wont be a bull next year even though Pax's quotes indicate that he is going to try to resign him.

by Sambossanova on Jun 21, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the #9 would have to be included...

...in any trade for Scola's rights. Maybe not, but I think so.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 20, 2007 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like it less that way

Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 20, 2007 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No,

It can't happen until after the draft. Noch is a restricted free agent, so we would have to sign and trade him with Du.

Just say no to... Hawes.

by SouthSideIrish on Jun 21, 2007 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Bulls need height that can play 10-15 minutes.

It doesn't have to be great, but it obviously has to be serviceable. But they definitely need someone at least 6'11". I'd prefer a "veteran". Even if they draft Noah or Hawes, I do think they still need someone else tall.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

someone else tall

If Paxon think Duhon & Noce are too much to give up for Scola, then the Bull's will ask for someone tall from the Spurs too. This would allow them to grab an athlete like Green or Julian Wright.

by Jesse07 on Jun 21, 2007 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good research J O

I do see how Noc could fit into the Spurs style of play. Duhon; not so much.
But would they want to pay Noc the $$$ he'll be looking for? I think anywhere between 6-8 mil is what a team will pay. And there's no guarantee Scola would be available this year, so I'd rather another big be included as long as a 2nd rd pick is thrown in.
If such a deal was on the table it allows the pick to be used to take the best player available, and gives playing time to players that need it most, Sef and TT. After today, I'm avoiding NBA chatter til draft night.

by kingj41 on Jun 21, 2007 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Duhon

I think he'd do OK over there. They just need a backup point to play 15-20 minutes. He's better than Jacque Vaughn in that role.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 21, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It fits his style more

Duhon is a slow paced PG who needs to play with a superstar player. He could just dump it into Duncan, and wait for the kickout 3.

by Scotter on Jun 21, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What about Elson instead of Ely

BTW, what the hell ever happened to Jackie Butler?

Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 21, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

apparently hangs out with Mike Sweetney

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 21, 2007 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Elson vs Ely

I think Elson would also fit the bill, but I personally haven't seen him play, so I wouldn't know what more he would bring to the table.

by Jesse07 on Jun 21, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

From the playoffs

He seemd pretty good. He was the type of guy you didnt notice much but for all the right reasons.

by Sambossanova on Jun 21, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One of the best trade scenarios

Posted here in a while if you ask me. But I still feel like the Bulls can get more back in any package involving Nocioni.

I think a lot of us here are remembering Nocioni more for his latest play instead of his career play. If and when he becomes fully healthy, let's not forget what he brought to the table.

Head of the Yi Jianlian fan club

by Option27 on Jun 21, 2007 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Please stop

Over-valuing the home team's roster.
Noc is decent, but even in a straight up trade for a draft pick he won't sniff you a lottery pick. (This is just for example purposes.)
No one forgets what he brings to the table. No one forgets the play of his replacements during his absence.

Actually, I'd just rather see more of Deng/Thomas than the combinations of Deng/Noc or Noc/Thomas.
The same goes for Kirk. I like the way he plays and love his salary structure. But he's not a top player in the league and if you could upgrade the roster by letting go of Kirk, then let it be done.

The only 2 players I see with huge upside (and it appears likely they'll reach their potential) are Tyrus and Luol. They're young w/ so much to learn.

Deng is going to become a match-up nightmare as he develops his post game. It's not a matter of posting up everyone he plays, just taking advantage when they do try to put more athletic players on him to reduce his drives to the basket.
Tyrus just needs to play more to learn where to be on the court. He's playing w/ pure athletic ability and little court awareness. He doesn't pass well and plays out of control a lot. I see those areas improving considering the talent level jump from high school to college to NBA in 3 consecutive years.
Anyone else on this roster is less valuable. Thabo seems to have the tools, but his confidence has to come a long way before he has a huge impact in games.

by kingj41 on Jun 21, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not being a homer

It's just remembering how good he was when healthy.

His 2006 season was a prime example of it. And he was STILL improving, i.e. his 3 point shot.

And for the record, I don't think Noc is worth a lottery pick either. I am not overvaluing the fucker. I just have a longer memory than most here. I also would like to see more Tyrus/Deng line ups out there. That's is why I think Nocioni SHOULD be traded!

I'm not trying to say we can get a heck of a lot for him. Just saying don't throw him away just to make room for Tyrus.

Head of the Yi Jianlian fan club

by Option27 on Jun 21, 2007 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not calling you a homer

And it wasn't 100% directed at your comment, but a lot of people over-value some of these players. Yes, this team can stay young, continue to improve, yada yada yada... But do you want to improve your # of wins in the regular season by 2 a season, or do you want to make a run deeper into the playoffs? The friggin Cavs just played in the Finals.
As far as Noc, I don't know how much more you can really get for him? I do like Noc in his role. But, if the Bulls acquire the right player(s), and Deng and Thomos progress as expected, his role will be reduced anyway. I'm not saying throw him away either. But what else can you get?

by kingj41 on Jun 21, 2007 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree

Noc is very good player and many are judging him by his injury plagued season. Espescially his defense which was atrocious late in the season. He is actually an above average defender in my opinion. And a good three point shooter, so I am not sure how much we are overvaluing him. If Radmanovic and company all get MLE's, Noce is worth at least an MLE

by Sambossanova on Jun 21, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Spurs fan

Hey! Im the guy who posted both comments about Duhon and Nocioni at Poundingtherock. Like I said, a Scola/Ely for Nocioni and Duhon is just a perfect trade for both teams.
Stop bashing those two Bulls, they just dont fit well on your team, but they are very good players. Nocioni is a starter SF in the NBA, and Duhon is probably the second best backup PG in the league (second to Calderon)..... but the problem is that the Bulls have Deng at the 3 and the Bulls guards have size problems, so that limits Duhon efectivness.
On the Spurs, those two guys wouldnt have those problems, and they would be HUGE upgrades for our team. Think about it... WE WON A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH VAUGHN AS OUR BACKUP PG.

About the Bulls... Scola is just WHAT YOU NEED... he is a scoring machine who demands double teams... nuff said...

by Chilai on Jun 21, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Second best backup point guard

in the NBA? Starting small forward?

Then why did they hurt the team when they played?

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 22, 2007 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

according to that chart, wallace hurt more than duhon.

by Sambossanova on Jun 22, 2007 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and Wallace played

a lot more minutes.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 22, 2007 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that was the point

They hurt the team because they are not a good fit.

Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 24, 2007 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shorthanded

This is actually viable. If Paxson makes this trade, it really opens up doors for the team. But i think the bulls are getting a bit shafted on talent if they get Ely. He would mostly be dead contract weight. Trade for Udrith to take Duhon's roster place in the Bulls or take San Antonio's pick in a sign and trade deal so we can get koponen. he's a big guard with good hands that can more than adequetly take Duhon's place

by blackmage71 on Jun 21, 2007 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

about the trade

Of course, Ely/Scola would be the main pieces, the Spurs wouldnt have any problem adding Udrih to the mix .....

by Chilai on Jun 21, 2007 11:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ely is a free agent

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 22, 2007 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

most importantly

he's still melvin ely

by milesgmsu on Jun 22, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

paxson jackson...

I guess you cant play very well with a plantar fascitis, and its difficult for a player to be out of position at the 4....... imagine Ben Gordon trying to play at SF........
"paxson jaxkson"..... its just stupid to judge a player for ONE season. Using that kind of mentality......the Spurs would have traded Duncan for Elton Brand after the 2005/06 season......

by Chilai on Jun 22, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nocioni would be out of position

at small forward too. He's slow and small, but I do think the best fit for him is to chuck threes from the power forward spot, which he does well from the bench. Regardless of his injury Nocioni isn't much of a defender, and is the master of stupid mistakes. I'm not sure if any coach could stomach him running into teammates, and getting dunked on for starter's minutes. And to be clear this is based on his entire NBA career.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 22, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and to answer your question

Nocioni's 06-07 production was very similar to his 05-06 season. He even scored 2.3 more PTS/40 in 06-07. I think it's safe to say he's comfortable playing without a lot of mobility.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 22, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Based on what I've read from DraftExpress

about Scola. Is that his buyout is something like 6 million. He's not coming to the NBA this season no matter who has his rights.

by Scotter on Jun 22, 2007 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nocioni..

He has a perfect speed and a perfect body to play the 3 in the NBA. He is a great defender. He makes mistakes, just like every other player in the league. Even the all mighty Duncan makes some awful mistakes........
And chucking trees is a good thing when you hit 40% of them

by Chilai on Jun 22, 2007 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs