Standing Pax

After reading the tier column on espn i've developed my own model

tier 1
Gordon
Hinrich
Deng

We only trade 1 from tier one per superstar. Furthermore, we can only trade to improve position...i.e. deng for t-mac; gordon for kobe; hinrich for nash.....position value can be debated, but no trading hinrich for kobe

tier 2
wallace

Wallace can;t be traded. His contract will be too valuable in a few years, anyone we trade him for will onyl highlihgt a new gap (bad low post defense / rebounding) unless its a J o'neal type, and i want my bobbleheads to appreciate in value

tier 3
Noch
Tyrus
Thabo
#9 Pick

You can trade up to two of these....if you want all 4, that's ok but no tier 1 player

tier 4
Duhon

Piece in any trade if only for salary

Tier 5
Krappy
Individual 2nd round pick
big marty
resigned FAs
MLE

you can take 2 of these in any trade....anything beyond levles out at an exchange rate of 2 per tier 3 & 4, and 4 per tier 1

I'm way too logical and analytical for my own good, but i think this conveys logically what trade scennarios we would except

Hopefully he keeps cutting underground videos ripping his Laker teammates.  If Kobe's already made up his mind that he wants to play for the Bulls (and he might have judging by that comment on the video telling the fans to "get a Bulls jersey"), then he's got an interest in ensuring that the Bulls give up as little for him as possible.  Everyone says the Lakers can't trade him because of all the tickets he sells, but at this rate the L.A. fans are going to turn on him pretty quickly, if they haven't already.

is being his worst own enemy if he wants to be traded. By only saying he wants to be traded to the Suns, Knicks or us. LA is not going to trade him to Phoenix (same division) or New York (no one good). That leaves one option and making terrorist rant type videos that hurts his value even more. I do not see Pax offering more than Gordon, Duhon, Victor, LAL's choice of PJ or Noc in a sign and trade, and the 2008 1st rounder based on the fact he is the only buyer.  

might someone be experiencing a case of split personality

Ric Bucher of ESPN is reporting that preliminary discussions have begun between the Bulls and Lakers for Kobe... whether you like it or not  (and I cant see why this isnt exciting) its starting  to become a reality Bulls fans!
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46587/20070619/lakers_begin_trade_talks_with_chicago/

About 50/50 want him to stay/go.  The LA fans are a fickle bunch.  In the end, they'll blindly follow whatever Buss/Kupchak put on the floor because, let's face it, we don't have an NFL team there, so there isn't another viable option for winter sports.

Im all for bringing kobe to the bulls.   Alright that comment is of no value.  

More importantly, I do think everyone here is in love with the currrent bulls roster a bit too much.  Sure its team basketball, motion offense, tough defense, but this underdog situation of a growing team is getting old.  Kobe isnt as bad as everyone here makes him out to be.  The offense isn't necessarily compeltely butchered. Part of the reason kobe is considered a hog around here is because the Lakers suck...He has no one to pass it to?  He's actually a good passer.  And it would be nice to know that there will be someone to take the last shot. Plus, I think it's a lot more exciting to see Kobe create his own shot with 2 seconds left on the shot clock than ben gordon.  And remember how everyone loved it when ben gordon took over in that game against the bucks.  Well that would happen 10-15 times a year, at least, with kobe on the roster.  Watching your own team in those type of games is exciting as you may recall from the Jordan era.

In my opinion, everyone here is too conservative about mantaining the status quo, but I guess this whole comment I made is not very significant since almost everyone has a very strong opinion about kobe.

No reason to gut the team to get Kobe.  The lakers don't have the leverage as the Bulls don't "need" Kobe.  Of course he helps if you only send back Gordon and parts but if you lose too much they are still battling for East instead of favorite with title contention hopes.

There is plenty of history in the NBA of stars being traded for parts that ends up helping one team - Shaq to Miami, Barkley to Pheonix

Someone mentioned 3rd team and Ray Allen, I think Seattle is more likely to want to get rid of Lewis.

we don't gut the team for Kobe.  and, at this point, I don't see how Kobe doesn't get traded.  It's clear he wants out, he decides where he goes and, of the acceptable suitors, nobody else can put together a package compelling enough to compete with us.
I am actually beginning to think a deal can happen.  That being said, let's remember Paxson's penchant for playing deals very slow.  I have seen only one deal in his years as GM that moved quickly and that was Ben.  Every other deal (the crawford and curry trades, Tyson's K, Kirk's K) have all involved massive amounts of patience.  It's why I pushed for a nickname of 'Slowhand'.  At this point, why wouldn't he take his sweet time?  Really, Kobe's value goes down by the minute, we're getting closer to adding three contracts that will allow us to ship less players and match and kobe is continues to make it more difficult for the Lakers to keep him.  His ripped his teammates and management, how do you reconcile that?  We're actually at the point where the Lakers are planting discussion rumors on ESPN.  

if this whole Kobe deal ends up going down? He slaughtered Pax as the President of the No Balls Association for not trading away Deng for a soft-as-tissue PF in Gasol. Now, because of Pax's patience, we're the only team with a real shot at the greatest SG to lace em up since Jordan.  I'd like to see Simmons eat a little crow.
For the record: I'm not sold on Kobe for the Bulls, but I like the fact that we're in the driver's seat on this one.

What if the Bulls made trades for both Garnett and Kobe. They'd have to trade almost everyone including the Sears Tower and the Hancock but they could build around those two superstars. Chicago will then become a destination for players desiring a ring and will sign on for cheap. It would be just like the old times when Jordan and Pippen had different supporting casts every championship year.

...of whether you can make a run with Wallace. It would be nice if true, but if his game continues to deteriorate, I think we have to face the fact that---while he's certainly helpful in guarding an aging Shaq---that signing was a mistake.

This is partly why I'm in favor of Noah. (I've also been a Gator fan since age 4.) It's true that he doesn't give us anything we don't already have, but to me, it's an open question as to how much longer we will have what we had this season. I've written this before, but a starting lineup 2 years down the line of Kirk, Ben, Luol, Ty and Noah should be able to run just about every team in the league off of the court, if Skiles is willing to accomodate a Suns-type, wide-open style of play.

Kobe-Bulls trade.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/marty_burns/06/20/bulls.kobe/index.html

would just be like the lakers now if we made that trade.