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UPDATE: How about using the pick to acquire the rights to Luis Scola?

SBNation's mock draft is now underway at host site IndyCornrows. It's being conducted by all the SBNation hoops sites as well as other prolific NBA bloggers.

So now I have to officially do some thinking as to what the Bulls should do at #9. Given the lack of a major salary piece to conduct a blockbuster deal, I doubt the pick will be traded on draft night (and trades are fair game for this Mock Draft we're doing, by the way) unless a minor deal is made to move a few spots up or down, like last season.

The major question in draft philosophy is how much risk Pax is willing to take. Unless the Bulls can find another sucker like Isiah, it's hard to imagine that they'll be picking in the top-10 any time soon. So does that mean they try and gamble on a project like Yi (some would say Spencer Hawes is a worthwhile project as well), knowing this is their last shot at a lottery talent? It's a reasonable strategy, but the Bulls already have their project big man in Tyrus Thomas.

Or is this draft so deep in good-enough prospects that they take a more-ready player to fill a rotation slot? Considering the number of free agents the Bulls have, a top pick is a nice way to provide cheap reinforcement to ease any losses during the offseason.

I'm thinking that they should do the latter, and then still look for that starting PF through a Nocioni (and others, if need be) sign/trade. As much crap as I give Noc (or more specifically, Skiles' devotion to him), if he's traded, the Bulls need to come up with replacements with similar skills off the bench.

If Duhon's traded there's a similar hole at backup point, but I think that's minor compared to the frontcourt help needed to compensate for possibly losing PJ Brown, Noc, Malik Allen, and Mike Sweetney (and Khryapa in a trade, as he has an expiring deal) over the summer.  Even getting someone who can play some wing would be nice, as Deng's only backup is Griffin, and Thabo during small-ball mode.

So who fits that bill best? My scouting experience is lacking so I'm welcome to comments on this, but at #9 the best options seem to be Jeff Green or Julian Wright. I actually like Al Hortford best but I'm assuming he'll be long gone.  Joakim Noah is generally seen as too similar to what the Bulls already have, but he does distinguish himself as being tall, something the Bulls don't have. Any of these players can help solidify the the roster in the aftermath of a big trade (yet still are young and talented enough to be a part of a future trade down the line if they wound up 'blocked' by Deng or Thomas). If the Bulls aren't trying to swing for the fences, I don't like Yi, Brandon Wright, or Hawes to do the same.

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I confess, I'm completely biased,
but I think Julian Wright would be great as a backup for Lu, if Noc goes in a trade.  He doesn't help with size, obviously, but he's "long and athletic" and "plays with energy" and all the other great draft night cliches.  Seriously, he's a hard worker with a great attitude and is a great passer.  He's shown an ability to totally take over in games.  Biggest knock has been that he's too unselfish.
Moral of the story: Don't EVER tell anyone your nickname is "Boobie."

by wjb1492 on Jun 13, 2007 12:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't
enamored with his tourney play.  Plus, one more SF type player and we become the Hawks w/ a point guard.  
Seriously though, I am never thrilled about players that are knocked for their passion and I have heard that about Julian Wright.  Not saying it's true, just that it's been said.

by CookDing on Jun 13, 2007 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear that
People seem to love Julian Wright and I'm not sold on him. Plus, in the draft, the athletic wings are a tricky bunch: sure, they could beef up and become Sean Marion, but they seem much more likely to become Eddie Robinson.  Glad I could work E-Rob into the conversation.

by Old Skool Sloan on Jun 13, 2007 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I've ever heard him knocked
for a lack of passion - do you remember where you heard it?  He was spectacular in the Florida game earlier in the season.

And even though the Bulls are shorter than most of us would like, I don't see them as overloaded at SF in the Atlanta sense - if Noc goes.  I'm just more of a draft best available type than drafting for need.  

Moral of the story: Don't EVER tell anyone your nickname is "Boobie."

by wjb1492 on Jun 13, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wright Stuff
I probably should have said "passive" rather than dispassionate.  I kind of lump him into that Rudy Gay category.  It's not to say he won't be good.
As for the Hawks comment, I was kind of kidding.  I think it's a valid point though that SF is our smallest need and that we ought to attempt to use this high pick to fill a valid need.
Anyways, here are some comments that I have read on Wright.  the second is from www.rookiepedia.com.

Weaknesses: Can almost be unselfish to a fault in that he doesn't take control of the game offensively

http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/julianwright.html

Negatives:
Wright can disappear from games sometimes because he isn't as aggressive or consistent as he could be.

by CookDing on Jun 14, 2007 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
Doesn't Hawes make the most sense for a team whose primary problem is their lack of low post presense?  I thought the book on him was that he wasn't a project, but in fact a polished low upside PF/C who figures to be able at least to score down low right away (if not defend and rebound)?

by colintj on Jun 13, 2007 3:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The book
on Hawes is that he is not physically developed, had some injuries last year that leave open the possibility that he may not be able to handle the rigors of heavy NBA minutes and that he doesn't appear to be the most atheletic big man (not necessarily unatheletic, just possibly more limited atheletically).
his apparent strengths are his offensive game which many liken to a Chris Kaman.  I would say the one difference is that he is a better passer and perhaps a little more atheletic.  Probably somewhere between CK and Ilgauskas (sp?).

by CookDing on Jun 13, 2007 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hawes
weighed in at 246 and I dont remember any injuries except for some horrible virus last year in which he lost 25 pounds or something and had to regain the weight.  

by Sambossanova on Jun 13, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hawes
I don't know a lot about Hawes so I've gone largely on the comments of others.  Here is what I've read as far as his bulk is concerned...

Weaknesses: Definitely needs to bulk up more for life in the paint in college. He needs to develop alternate post moves. He lacks great quickness. He will occasionally settle for taking outside shots instead of attacking from the post. His rebounding skills could be improved. Spencer is not an amazing athlete and has trouble with smaller quicker opponents. He could improve his overall defense.

Weaknesses: His legs are still weak, must add strength to his lower body ... Has good toughness, but must get stronger and more consistent ... Not an imposing force defensively or a great shot blocker, but improving defensively ...

The most major concern about Spencer, however, has been his lack of rebounding, and perceived lack of toughness. Averaging only 6.0 rebounds per game, he is amongst the worst rebounding center prospects in this draft

However, as shown with this matchup with Gray, he does seem to struggle a bit once bigger post players get him on their back and seal him,

http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/spencerhawes.html

Negatives
Needs to add more muscle to handle the rigors of playing inside in the NBA. He is just an average athlete, and does not have a whole lot of explosiveness. Although he has excellent offensive footwork, he needs to work on his footwork on defense. He does not look comfortable on defense, and it often leads to him making too many false steps and losing ground on

http://www.rookiepedia.com/nba/index.php?title=Spencer_Hawes

Negatives:
Hawes will need to add some more muscle to bang down low with the pros of the NBA.
Overview:
While Hawes some big upside, it could take some time before that upside shows itself as Hawes will probably need a season or two to add some more muscle and learn the game and its nuances. However, the wait could well be worth it.

http://probasketball.about.com/od/nbadraft/a/spencerhawes.htm

I will admit that he looks promising offensively.  However, I have a hard time believing that a 19 year old center will be ready to contribute any sooner than 2-3 years.  Especially one not noted for atheleticism.  Of course, they may not be a bad thing considering Big Ben likely will be on fumes in three years and we will need a replacement.
I suppose that would be my goal for this draft: to land a big man that will be able to assume post responsibilities once Ben is done.  I believe that playing our cards right means we can remain competitive for many more years.  I am not a fan of making our moves just so we can compete right now.  That's why I would rather use this pick than trade it (Unless we can get a favorable deal for Randolph or Gasol).

by CookDing on Jun 14, 2007 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hawes has alot more game than Chris Kaman,
he just doesn't have the banger type body.
The guy I would compare him to is Brad Daugherty.  Same height, weight as rookies.  Good post skills, great passer.  Good jumpshooter.  Who became a better rebounder as he got stronger.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/daughbr01.html

by Scotter on Jun 13, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting comparison
I'd take a young Dougherty.
Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 13, 2007 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just proud I managed to avoid comparing
him to another white player.  Although given Daugherty's love of Nascar, he might still qualify.

by Scotter on Jun 13, 2007 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the 9th pick...
I wouldn't take a gamble on a big man is the way to go, because none of the big men in the 9th pick range are going to be superstars maybe besides Yi, but I doubt he will slip past the celtics at 5.  

It seems to me that the Bulls will either be getting rid of Duhon or Noc or maybe both.  So wouldn't it make sense to draft a PG or SF, for backup incase Thabo doesn't pan out.  For PG I would take Javaris Crittenton he's a tall guard so you could pair him with either Hinrich or Gordon, and he is a decent defender.  I would suggest Mike Conley but I really doubt he will be at the 9 spot.  For a SF I would Corey Brewer he is a great defender and he can play the two or the three which also works if we keep BG7 because he can play the two while Hinrich or Gordon rest.  

Either of those two would be good picks and I think they help the team, because it makes it easier for the bulls to trade someone for a low post player that will help today and not in a few years.

by Wade.Jones on Jun 13, 2007 5:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

u dont wanna spend a top 10 pick
as an emergency guy if ur late lottery pick in a thinner draft doesnt pan out; or hoping to find a backup when u already have a servicable backup at that position (PG)

by milesgmsu on Jun 13, 2007 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 13, 2007 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the claim was that we should
draft a backup SF/PG in case thabo doesn't pan out; i was saying that we spent a late lottery pick on thabo in a thin year. logically you dont want to spend a higher pick, in a deeper year, on an insurance policy

furthermore, thats a lose lose situation. Either thabo pans out, and we have an odd man out; or we root for thabo to fail.  No; what you need to do is assume the bulls will be successful at the 4 poistions where they were this year; and draft on weakness.....post play

by milesgmsu on Jun 13, 2007 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally
I don't see how we can avoid taking anything other than the most ready-to-contribute big man.  Noah definitely qualifies but he provides next to no offense and compares "favorably" to a collegiate Mark Madsen (every team needs a towel-waver though).
There's Jason Smith whom I've heard some good things about but centers from Colorado State give me little hope.  And, undoubtedly, he is going to require some coaching (read: time) that I doubt Paxson wants to cough up.
There's Hawes who has the most promise of the three and will probably be the best offensive big man of this draft ... in three years.  That's IF his body doesn't crumble under the weight of the NBA game.
Then there's Tiago Splitter.  He's big (6'11''), atheletic, defensively inclined and comes from a pick and roll offense (and the best team in Europe).  He also has plenty of experience.  The downside is that he is by no means a low post offensive force and will probably never be better on offense than on defense.  And, oh yeah, he's backed out of the last three drafts and he still has a buy-out on his contract that could keep him out another year.  
Personally, my draft order would be Splitter, Hawes, Smith and Noah.  I feel like Noah's year made it clear that he has the lowest cieling of the four.  Smith is too much of an unknown for me.  And, I think that Splitter in the '08-'09 season would be better for us than Hawes over the next two.  In addition, I just don't see how we can avoid going for size this year.  Big ben is old, we lose all of our big men and we're loaded in the backcourt.  We need size.  This is our last shot to add some w/ reasonable talent at a price we can afford.
What does Paxson do?  I think trade ... down.  Seriously, I don't think he stays at 9 and I don't see him moving up.  The price vs reward it too high.  We can't get to 5 w/o giving up the moon and there's nothing after that is that much better than what we can get at 9.  I think Pax trades back a few spots and adds a first rounder for next year or, if no good deal presents itself, takes the best available.  In my opinion, that's one of three players (Splitter, Hawes or Smith, though Smith would be a reach).

by CookDing on Jun 13, 2007 7:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What if...
Most mock drafts have the Hawks going big with there first pick and grabbing the leftover point guard with the 11th pick.  A lot of teams seem to covert Conley.  

If the draft goes down the way I believe it will and Bulls have to pick between Noah, Hawes, Green, or right, what if we grab conley for trade bait.  Bulls can try and move him to Atlanta for the #11 and maybe try and pry Josh Childress from the Hawks who already have 10 guys like him.  Then with #11 grab a the remaining big man .

Just a thought.  The Bulls probably wont be stuck with Conley because if push comes to shove the Bulls could maybe moving to Portland.

I have been a big advocate of Noah because he is tall, and he would bring the passion we might lose with Noce, but now I might be looking to grab the best player available.  In a suprise, Bulls draft Jeff Green.  

by Jesse07 on Jun 13, 2007 8:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

without Nocioni
the Bulls wouldn't even want to win games.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 13, 2007 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Childress
is not reall likie Khryapa.  He isnt the type of consolation prize you get for moving down a pick.  HE is a very good player.

by Sambossanova on Jun 13, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're both right
I must have been a little tired this morning, but out of Marvin, Smith, & Childress.  Childress looks like he would be the odd man out in a couple years.  

by Jesse07 on Jun 13, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trading down the pick
With the nine pick, the Bulls seem stuck in a bit of a nether-world where they can't get a standout big man to contribute now, but have their choice of many guys who could contribute in small ways.  I would think swapping our #9 and maybe another asset (Khryapa or Sweets) for a lower pick and needed asset (maybe a tall backup point or mediocre C/F).  Phila (#12), Clippers (#14) or New Jersey (#17) might have an asset or two to throw in.  With no "must have" at number 9, we could play our cards right, get a guy we like at a lower pick, pay him less money and add depth at a position we need.  This would still leave room to make a run at a quality big in free agency. Which team might swap picks and what asset we might want is for people who know more than me to decide. Any ideas?

by Old Skool Sloan on Jun 13, 2007 8:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the MLE
is all the Bulls have to offer. The draft pick doesn't affect that.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 13, 2007 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

to clarify
Sweets can't be traded, he's a restricted FA. Any draft-day deal would likely be with Duhon or Veektor.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I post
To learn.  I still think trading down is a smart idea if we're not in love with anyone at the #9.  It's those small moves that set you up well for the next offseason and down the road.  Plus, makes for an exciting draft!

by Old Skool Sloan on Jun 13, 2007 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's fine
although I prefer trading down (or out) for an actual player instead of multiple picks.

But judging by last year's draft Pax is willing to move up or down for the guy he wants...but unlike last year I think it'll take more than 2nd rounders and cash to do so.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares
... about an exciting draft. A draft for acquiring talent to improve the team. I will however consider the draft exciting in the event that the Bulls aquire the right talent.

by kingj41 on Jun 13, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best player available
The Bulls don't need a big man, they need a big man who can actually play.  If you look back at the draft over the last 15 years, a good deal of the centers picked in the second half of the lottery (around picks 7-14) have been busts.  Let's face it, if someone is 7 feet tall and they have any game whatsoever, they're probably going to be a top 5 pick, just because so many teams are desperate for centers.  Maybe this year might be different because this draft is unusually deep, but that's why I worry about taking Hawes.

I think Noah will be a useful player, but I don't think the Bulls need him at all.  What does Noah do that Tyrus Thomas doesn't already do (besides giving witty interviews)?  Thomas is much more athletic, too.  With that in mind, it would be silly to pass on more talented players just because Noah happens to be a "big man."

by Big D on Jun 13, 2007 8:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it should be
What does Noah do that Tyrus Thomas doesn't already do better?

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 13, 2007 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

have crazy hair
and come from a SEC east school?

by milesgmsu on Jun 13, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eventually you either have to draft or sign one
though.  And the draft is the only place you can aquire underpaid big men.  But the big men that go bust, are usually project big men.  7 foot guys that some GM thinks can learn to play basketball.  I'd argue that the track record for 7 foot guys who already have basketball skills is a lot better.  

by Scotter on Jun 13, 2007 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI -Noah's injury
I wasn't aware of this, but I thought others might like to know.  Noah has been playing injured since Febbuary.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2901852

by Jesse07 on Jun 13, 2007 8:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The pick is Hawes
You don't get a shot at big man with offensive skills this low in the draft very often, and you never pass it up if you do.  Paxson is building this team for the long haul, he's not going to take another 6'9 guy.

As far as Tyrus being the Bulls "project big man", that's kind of ridiculous and unfair to Tyrus.  He's a 3/4 tweener right now and and would really have to develop a lot more of his game before I think he'd be an impact 4 like Hawes could be in the post.  Plus, Hawes could step in in two years for Wallace and the frontline of Deng, Thomas and Hawes would be set for a decade.

You know who else isn't that athletic, but has superior fundamentals?  Tim Duncan.  I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 13, 2007 9:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

um
"As far as Tyrus being the Bulls "project big man", that's kind of ridiculous and unfair to Tyrus.  He's a 3/4 tweener right now and and would really have to develop a lot more of his game before I think he'd be an impact 4 like Hawes could be in the post."

Aren't these contradictory? He needs to develop a lot more of his game, therefore he's a project. Maybe your dispute is saying he's a 'big man', but he's likely projected as a 4 which is my reasoning for that term.

The point is why develop both Thomas and Hawes at the same time...unless you think Hawes is ready to contribute, I can't judge that with any authority.

And I don't see any indication that Pax is drafting for 'the long haul'. Sustained success, sure, but I don't see him drafting a guy who can't help for a year or two when Wallace is gone.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Hawes is as ready to contribute as Tyrus
was last year, probably more because Hawes actually played on a basketball team before his junior year of HS.  Skiles can throw Hawes out there for his 5-15 min/g, and by the end of the season I believe Hawes will be helping the team win games.  Plus, he'll be practicing against a great defender so he's going to develop in practice as well.

by Scotter on Jun 13, 2007 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I don't see why Hawes couldn't contribute solidly next year, and become a 20-25mpg player by his second year.  Out of HS he was considered very ready, and he seems to be ahead of the big man curve, after only one year of college.
Like a proud papa...

by cubbybear on Jun 13, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not worried about winning next year
I'd much rather the Bulls draft somebody who has a higher ceiling long term than somebody who might be more ready now.  As far as Tyrus is concerned, while he's a project, he's not a classic big man and to put the added weight of expecting him to develop a low post game is ridiculous.  I'd settle for a simple jump shot first.  

Why not develop Hawes and Tyrus at the same time?  The Bulls will have to replace Wallace in two years anyway, and PJ/Noc next year if not this one.  Assuming Hawes pans out, that sounds like a dominating front line to me.

And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 13, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Bullshooter
If Hawes can contribute like TT did at the end of next season we will have significantly improved.  That makes us a strong candidate to reach the finals and in a great position 2008-2009.

by chgobr on Jun 13, 2007 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with BS
Its tough.  I like a lot of guys in this draft that we aren't going to have a shot at, but saying that Hawes is likely to be a bust because he isn't a top 5 pick misses the mark in this draft, I think.

Not only is the draft deep, but Hawes is coming out after his freshman year, so he's very young, and he was seriously ill and lost a ton of weight, which limited his success last season.

Point being, I bet he'd be a top 5 pick next year, only we won't be near enough to sniff a top 5 pick next year.

I've heard Hawes is a very hard worker and is very competitive.  He says he models his game after Duncan, and I've seen him compared to Vlade Divac, Chris Kaman, and Brad Miller.

If you rolled Duncan, Divac, Kaman, and Miller into one player, albeit a young one, and you had a chance to add him to this Bulls tean, wouldn't you have to do it?  That type of player is very close to what we've been pining for ever since Curry left town.  Where else are you going to get that type of piece?

All that said, I have never seen Hawes in a game.  At the end of the day, my feeling about Hawes is the same as my feeling about a lot of the guys out there:  I can see how he would work out well, and therefore, if Pax drafts him, he saw it too, only he actually has information that I don't have.  So at the end of the day, IN PAX WE TRUST.

Not sure how that helps your mock pick, Matt.

Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 13, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Hawes too
I've been mocking (pun? not even sure) for weeks those who automatically label him a stiff.

And if Pax thinks he is ready to step in right now and play then he should go for it, as his skillset does best fill the need of the team.

But my thinking is: if he can't contribute right now, not only do the Bulls still 'need' a post scorer but now have other rotation holes to fill and no young cheap player to fill them.

For all we know he crushed Noah in that workout last week, but that he is 19 and only had a year of college ball (and a messed up one with that illness) makes me believe he's more of a project than I'd be willing to risk on at this point.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noah is
a stick.  And seems to want to stay that way.  Did anyone weigh his hair to remove that variable?
Like a proud papa...

by cubbybear on Jun 13, 2007 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously this has nothing to do with reality,
but they're having a mock draft over at Blazer's Edge (http://www.blazersedge.com/) , and whoever is representing the Bulls traded Hawes (drafted ninth) and the two second round picks for Noah (drafted eighth) - so at least one person has a pretty strong preference for Joakim over Spencer.
Moral of the story: Don't EVER tell anyone your nickname is "Boobie."

by wjb1492 on Jun 14, 2007 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't
think I like that trade at all. I hope Pax doesn't do that on the 28th.
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on Jun 14, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade down
with Philly and get their lower 2 picks. With 21 take Devon Hardin the Cal center. The guy is a sleeper and as good as the bigs in the draft not named Wright or Horford, and at 30 target Gabe Pruitt a PG from from USC. If he is gone take Alando Tucker who is a Noc clone. Option C would be Gasol's brother, if only to help trading for Pau.

by LD9 on Jun 13, 2007 9:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this team is trying to win the conference
wouldn't you rather have 1 potentially very good player instead of 2 average ones?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Little differnce
in guys like Noah or Hawes at 9 and Hardin or Mcroberts at 21 IMHO.

by LD9 on Jun 13, 2007 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's just like your opinion, man
I disagree with it, but if that's what you think then fair enough.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#9 may as well be #29
This is one of the strongest and deepest drafts in NBA history. However, most of the franchise-changing talent and useful big men are to be drafted before #9. All the Bulls are left to choose from are good players who the Bulls already have and project players who will take a few years to develop if ever. New York seems to have gotten the better of the Eddy Curry deal. T2 will never be as productive as Curry and neither will anyone at #9. It make you wish Paxson backed-off from his DNA test demand from Curry. We could have had a $9M 20 point inside scorer and a 20 point outside scorer (Gordon) and a possible 20 point mid-range/slashing scorer (Deng).

We might as well trade the pick for a future first-rounder next year to some team that possible wouldn't improve, just as Phoenix did when we drafted Deng (the Suns did pick the wrong team to trade with though). It just doesn't make sense to add a piece we already have or pin our hopes on a project big or trade the pick for a big-with-issues (Randolph).

by Kantut on Jun 13, 2007 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

at least you didn't use
ridiculous langauge and long for a flawed player who was traded because of a serious risk to his health.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 13, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand
In hindsight, I wish we still had Curry. He may still not play defense or rebound but teamed with Chandler or Ben Wallace, that would have been a good frountcourt. And my #2 Curry jersey wouldn't still be of some value.

by Kantut on Jun 13, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you wish he didn't potentially have a heart defect
Not to go over this every time someone laments over trading Curry, Pax felt he HAD to deal him.

It wasn't really a basketball-related decision, but I suppose it's sortof a bonus knowing that Curry is basically the same as he was here, with an added dose of New York hype (and minutes).

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry is now a 20 pont scorer
Well almost at 19.5 and yes his minutes have increased but not everyone increases production with increased minutes. The fact that Curry's efficiency didn't drop with increased minutes is impressive enough. And he's only 24 with a manageable six year, $54M contract.

by Kantut on Jun 13, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's true
but I'd STILL take him back.  His offensive game is exactly what they're missing right now.

by ScottieCartwright on Jun 14, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe it
would please you to watch the DVD set of those glory years, but methinks that isn't coming out anytime soon.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 13, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the 2004-2005 season
When Eddy Curry lead the Bulls to a 47 win season after starting 0-9. Sweet. Now that was a good season. If they went 3-of-9 in the Circus trip like they did this season then they would be a 50 win team.

by Kantut on Jun 13, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eddy only played
in 63 games that season, and missed the playoffs because he was in the hospital with a heart problem.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 13, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daydreaming
I'm daydreaming right now of the days when Curry would score half of his point total in the first 5 minutes, and Gordon score 3/4ths of his points in the fourth quarter. The good old days. Too bad it didn't last.

by Kantut on Jun 13, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Day dreams are good
That's as close as Eddy will get to a championship.

by KT on Jun 13, 2007 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think you're wrong on this one
Most drafts have stars that fall past the 9 pick.

What makes "One of the best drafts in recent history" any different?

If the Bulls play their cards right, they can land someone special.

:: cough, cough, Yi ::

The only Yi Jianlian fan here

by Option27 on Jun 13, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yi won't fall
I doubt the Bulls will get Yi at #9. Golden State is actively pursuing a top 5 pick to make sure they get Yi. Even if they don't, I'm sure the other teams will want an athletic 7-footer before a 6-8 SF. We could draft a SF, which this draft is rich in by late lottery, and let him sit on the bench as he watches Deng and Thomas play before him then eventually trade him for cheap (examples: Viktor Khryapa). We would have then wasted another draft pick.

by Kantut on Jun 13, 2007 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point exactly
as to why we should trade with Philly.

by LD9 on Jun 13, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's what I think
people who want more, lower picks want such not because they think it'll help the team, but because they like to play mock draft and produce 'sleepers'.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
There really isn't any reason to trade lower unless they're sure the guy they want will fall to them.
The only Yi Jianlian fan here

by Option27 on Jun 13, 2007 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

too many decent players
The Bulls already have a ton of "decent" players.  Its no big statement to say that we need fewer Khryapas and Duhons.  We need to add a productive piece, and we need size.

Matt, in doing your mock draft, for the love of Benny, please do not ignore the fact that the Bulls biggest flaw is lack of size.

Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 13, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#9 may as well be #29 ?
Check the last 10 years #9 vs #29.

At # 9 you have 5 star level players:
Iguodola(04)Stoudamire(02)Marion(99)Nowitzki(98)& Mc Grady(97)

At #29 you have 1 starter (03) Josh Howard, and a little else (Trenton Hassell(01)Nazzy Mohammad(97)David Harrison(04))

All the talk in 03 was that the draft was 3 star players deep (James,Darko & Carmelo) and then it really dropped off. That dropoff yielded Bosh, Wade, Kamen, Hinrich & TJ Ford in the next 5 picks.
I just looked and there are 10 players taken in the second round in 03,who are still contributing in the NBA.

There are two things you can absolutely count on when it comes to the NBA draft. 1.) 90% of what the media gets from the scouts and GM's is misinformation and 2.)although any team can make a mistake, most (not all) of the NBA scouting departments know what their doing.  

Ye OldeBull

by OldeBull on Jun 13, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

julian wright vs. jeff green
I think the bulls might be waiting for green to officially declare he is in the draft by june 18 and then they can work out julian wright v jeff green.
If the bulls want to draft between those two, assuming they want to draft the best player available, They should get jeff green. Why?  Simply because he is an inch taller (officially 6 9.5 with shoes) and weighs 15 more pounds than julian wright.  All that makes him more nba ready.  and at least gives us one player that is a little bit taller than 6 9.  Either one of those players are nice picks, but even if julian wright ahs a bit more upside than green, I think green will need less adjustment time and will fit in nicely in the bulls offensive scheme.

by Sambossanova on Jun 13, 2007 11:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that's kindof my thinking too
an inch and 15 pounds seems little to worry about, but I think between these two it matters.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Wright is much more athletic.
But that might be Midwest (having seen him on TV more) bias... but I doubt it.
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 13, 2007 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just throwing it out there...
I don't really feel great about the bigs still  available at #9.
I'd like a best player on the board approach since this will probably be the last time for a while that pax gets his hands on a lottery pick so why not swing for the fences if you can't get a guy that will "push you to the next level" right now. The crux is just that you gotta figure out which player that is...
One guy who supposedly has a world of talent (and athleticism) is Thaddeus Young. Apparently he disappointed a bit with his ballhandling etc and is listed as a SF where we're (presumably) set. I haven't seen the guy play - just wanted to throw it out there. What do you guys think of him? Could he be a big two of the bench? Could he at least serve as trade bait for teams who want to rebuild and exchange a decent starting 4 for assests with potential (ahh the dreaded p-word again...)
I miss Colossus. No really, I do.

by spider from split on Jun 13, 2007 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Thaddeus Young in the abstract,
but not for the Bulls.  He's good slasher and attack s the rim.  Is a decent shooter with his feet set.  But, he's not very good playing off-the-ball.  That's really important in the Bulls offense.  He's need alot of work on defense as well.  Drafting a player as trade bait is a waste of resources in the NBA, but fine for fantasy basketball.

by Scotter on Jun 13, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to today's Chicago Tribune, the Bulls
want to draft a point guard.

Apparently, Conley is coming in for a workout (although I doubt he would be available at 9). Law and Crittenton have already worked out for the Bulls.

K.C. Johnson argues that the Bulls will draft a PG because Duhon is on the block.

I don't disagree that Duhon may be on the trading block, but who exactly would we trade him for? Package him with Noce for a big man? What's teh thinking here? Any guesses?

Is a PG really the best use of this pick, especially if it is another smallish player?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-bulls13jun13,1,416589.story?coll=chi-sport snew-hed

by 1958ChiTown on Jun 13, 2007 1:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think there is a flaw in K.C.'s thinking.
I'm pleased Duhon is on the block, but the only way Conley gets drafted is if Conley's getting traded, or Hinrich or Gordon are being traded.  I assume this is more about Paxson doing his work than actually drafting Conley.  

by Scotter on Jun 13, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A trade has already been made then
or we are drafting the PG for somebody as part of the trade.
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 13, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll throw out some names...
A few bigs whose salaries roughly match Duhon or Duhon + Nocioni's upcoming deal:

Zaza Pachulia, Brendan Haywood, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Drew Gooden, Tony Battie, Udonis Haslem, Shelden Williams, Steven Hunter, Chris Wilcox, Nick Collison, and Nene.

by Rodmaniac on Jun 13, 2007 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

zaza and nene
would be nice, williams, wilcox, or collison might also be good.  If they are traded straight up for Du, that'd be great.  Maybe Du and the 9 for either of the Atlanta players and the #11?
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 13, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

blah
pretty much sums up that list of players. Can we get a number on that projected salary?

Duhon for Zaza straight up would be great, but I doubt Atlanta wants to give up a player they are stealing at $4,000,000.  

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 13, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can add draft picks as needed
And I was guessing Noce would be in the 5 to 7.5 million range.

by Rodmaniac on Jun 13, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
You're not going to get a ton for Duhon straight up, he's kind of a blah player.  But if they swap him for a mediocre big, I'd feel better about Pax NOT drafting a big at #9.  

Salary-wise, Duhon + Khryp + Griff = 5.7 mil.

Throw in Nocioni, and you get into the 10-13 mil range.  But once you get over 10 mil, you get into the marquee names, and would probably have to include someone in the core.

You could trade Duh & Nocioni for Camby, Dampier, Dalembert, Brad Miller, or... Tyson Chandler!!

Or if Conley slips to the Bulls at 9, you could trade Duhon, Nocioni, Khryp, Griff, and Conley to Portland for Randolph and J.Jack/Rodriguez.  Portland would hook Oden up with Conley and ditch Randolph's contract.

by Rodmaniac on Jun 13, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would
Brad Miller be the worst idea?  (Besides expense?)

by jpx7 on Jun 14, 2007 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
Brad Miller is now a dead man (barely) walking.  Stick a fork in him... he would be of no use to the Bulls.

by paxson43 on Jun 14, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a package
We send Duh, Viktor, and sign and trade Noc to Atlanta for Zaza, Chill, and S. Jones.  If they want #9 as part of that deal, let that go too.

by DannyRange on Jun 13, 2007 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well maybe not 9 but
the 2nd round pick

by DannyRange on Jun 13, 2007 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony Battie is ok
he's a decent player in a pj sort of way

by DannyRange on Jun 13, 2007 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By that you mean
old, overpaid, and perimeter-oriented?
If there are problems in this world that jumping can solve, Tyrus Thomas will solve them. (Truehoop)

by Chalkwhite on Jun 14, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duhon
Trade Duhon and one of our 2nd round picks to get a late 1st round pick and roll the dice with Marc Gasol...

by TT 4 Prez on Jun 13, 2007 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sean Williams
I'd rather roll the dice with Sean Williams.

by Kantut on Jun 13, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paxson
isn't fond of the sean williams type.  I mean he got kicked off the team.  Smoking weed once in a while isnt a big deal but Sean Williams is more in the mold of Griffin not Lamar Odom.

by Sambossanova on Jun 13, 2007 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'd rather keep big Marty than
waste resources get the fat Gasol brother.

by Scotter on Jun 13, 2007 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gasol Girth Good
They could run the old GGG play.  Give,Go,Give

by DannyRange on Jun 13, 2007 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SI's mock draft
has Hawes falling to 13 and Yi falling to the Bulls at 9.  It also has MN taking conley at 7, which is kind of hard to believe.
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 13, 2007 4:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

'hard to believe'
because rarely does McHale make the right move? or are you saying taking Conley is the wrong move.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conley and Foye would actually be a shorter
backcourt than Gordon and Hinrich.  Some Celtics fans are convinced Danny Ainge is going to take Yi.  I still don't know what to think about Yi.  He clearly can play, but I'm not sure he can guard anybody based on youtube highlights and scouting reports.  I opinion of Yi wavers back and forth constantly.    

by Scotter on Jun 13, 2007 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me, that's why it would have been nice
to have him work out against others in the draft, especially in his case.  Even though some of my favorite guys have opted for the solo routine, I have to confess that I'm kind of with Noah on that being a little weak.
Moral of the story: Don't EVER tell anyone your nickname is "Boobie."

by wjb1492 on Jun 13, 2007 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In one interview, Paxson talked about
what he saw when he went to see Yi play in China earlier this season.

He said that Yi was very athletic and very skilled. He explicitly mentioned that Yi could score the ball in a number of ways. However, he didn't mention anything about Yi's defensive acumen.

by 1958ChiTown on Jun 13, 2007 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One things for sure
Hawes is not the answer. I like Yi but that is a gamble.  If he's there at 9 (which I doubt) take a chance on him, but not Hawes.

by DannyRange on Jun 13, 2007 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Bulls are thinking BPA...
I'd love for the Bulls to be in a position to draft Corey Brewer although I'd imagine he won't be available (sure enough, NBADraft.net has him going sixth to Milwaukee).

I believe Brewer will prove to be the best Florida has to offer from it's championship team.  He's lengthy and is a tough matchup for anybody to go up against.  Offensively I'd say he's the second most talented player in the draft.  He can hit the three and is a very difficult matchup one on one for any defender.  He's (quite obviously) athletic enough to blow by his man.  I also imagine that, with his length and size, he's a good bet to learn how to back down his man and bury that 12-foot fadeaway.

by CWSKeith on Jun 13, 2007 5:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here it is again
I've mentioned this trade before, and I still think that Pax should really consider it.  Too bad he doesnt frequent blogabull.  http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2377~2435~2373~3010&teams=1~1~4~4

To do even better, see if Atlanta would swap picks with us.  They don't need Horford because they have Candace Parkers boyfriend, but they do need a point guard, and Duhon is established and an upgrade over all of their current guards.  I may even trade Duhon and 9 for Chill and Jones.

by DannyRange on Jun 13, 2007 6:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why everyone thinks ATL
is giving away Childress.

I'd say Duhon would be their 3rd PG behind Claxton and Anthony Johnson, anyway.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are not giving him away
But at the prospect of 2 top 10 picks or expiring Viktor, they may consider it.  As for Duhon, I think he is at least as good as their current 1's.  It's not like Mike Woodson is up for the Naismith award any time soon as much as they have underachieved

by DannyRange on Jun 13, 2007 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch
Duhon could fit in nicely with atlanta.  They need a pass first point guard who is scared to shoot. Johnson is old and Speedy Claxton has become a bust.

by Sambossanova on Jun 13, 2007 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#9 pick for either David Lee or Channing Frye
Straight up?

Is this a good trade?

by Craig Hodges Explosion 3000 on Jun 13, 2007 6:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but
Zeek is not messing with the bulls in any trade scenarios anytime soon.  Also those 2 are better than anyone that will be available at 9 right now, not gonna happen.

by DannyRange on Jun 13, 2007 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kinda came to that conclusion, too
about a minute after posting my idea, which is to say two minutes after I came up with it.  David Lee's got an above twenty PER!  It would be awesome to have two immensely talented D-Lee's in town, though.

The only way I could possibly imagine it happening is if Zeke came to the correct conclusion that the team will not even be able to compete until a ton of contracts expire in a few years, meaning that having a younger player would be a wise long term decision.  Plus, I will grant that he is one terrific eyer of draft talent (which makes it even more boggling that he's always trading picks), so the #9 would likely be well-used.

by Craig Hodges Explosion 3000 on Jun 13, 2007 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee is a 'junk' player
I mean that affectionately, it's efficient. But for those who want frontcourt scoring he's not the answer.

I never understood the love for Channing Frye in these here parts. I need to start a 'Mohammed Sene all-stars' list of overhyped trade targets on the blog.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frye and Lee
Lee is like a taller Nocioni with rebounding skills and without the shooting touch...Nice player to have on the team but you might as well draft Noah if thats what your looking for.

Frye played horribly this season, is not a good defender.  People used to compare Aldridge to Frye.  Well Frye has sort of become a poor man's Aldridge.
His value is at an all time low.

by Sambossanova on Jun 13, 2007 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Instead of Hawes or Noah...
...what do folks think about trading down for Colorado State's Jason Smith? He's a 7-footer who shoots 77 percent from the line, has a good medium-range jumper, and averaged nearly 17 ppg, despite being double-teamed every game. He also apparently had a great individual workout for the Bulls, better than Hawes or Noah. His upside seems nearly as promising as Hawes' and you can get something in return for trading down. I'm intrigued...

by BenGo07 on Jun 13, 2007 8:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear
he is turnover prone.
Tim Duncan is a robot!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 13, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because their 7 foot and white,
doesn't mean their upside is the same.  And their's a big difference in their floor.  Hawes was considered a potential top 5 pick in this draft, and would go at least top 7 next year.  Smith is just as likely to be a bust as he is a good rotation player.  Smith has been getting roughed up by Nick Fazekas in workouts.

Smith is athletic, but he's like an NFL workout wonder.  The numbers don't translate to the court.

by Scotter on Jun 14, 2007 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we are looking for a "big" ...
to contribute right the way, I would suggest Tiago Splitter; he is playing, and starting, on the Euroleague since the 2003-2004. Consequently, he has 4 years of experience on the closest league to the NBA; in addition, he is playing for EURO's best team (TAU).

by Zermerso on Jun 13, 2007 9:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked Splitter last year...
...before the draft for the 2nd pick of the first round. He was actually talked about as a possible high lottery pick last year. But he withdrew (and someone said he still has one more year that needs to be bought out from Tau) and now his stock is way down. If the Bulls got Hawes and Splitter as a late first (trade up, of course), I'd be happy.
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 13, 2007 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Splitter would be a poor man's Tyson...
...but with good hands. That's not someone you build the team around, but if you have Wallace, Thomas, Hawes and Splitter, I think it'd be hard not to like what he gives.

Draft net page: http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/tiagosplitter.html

9 1/2 minutes of footage from him 1 1/2 years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlrqMS7tp-A

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 13, 2007 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's something from this year...
I think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFjeWYbfxBs&mode=related&search=

Nothing incredible, and I'm not talking about at #9. But he does show some touch. Maybe he can learn to yell and be aggressive, too.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 13, 2007 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you can handle the music.
One more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQE52KLkN_0&NR=1

He actually has really good hands. (granted, they're highlights, not full games)

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 13, 2007 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyson vs. Tiago
I would argue that the only similarity between the two is their lack of pure post game and outside shot.
It's clear from footage that Tiago has a much better attitude in that he fills his role much better.  I've seen flashes that suggest he has much better hands too (who wouldn't?).  He also seems to be less of a shot-blocker/intimidator than Tyson.  On the other hand, he seems like a MUCH better defender in straight man on man.  I've also noticed that he seems to have some ability to face-up and take a dribble to the hoop.  Not much, but there's potential.

by CookDing on Jun 14, 2007 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Splitter
He is more a young version of PJ Brown than Tyson Chandler with good hands.  The guy hasn't progressed much the past few years and I dont even think he is a key part of TAU ceramica's lineup, more of a role player type of guy. He has no post up game or a very underdeveloped post up game. That being said, he would be a cheap solid big man who could contribute right away but the Bulls could do better with the #9 pick.  

I guess he isn't a white stiff though since hes not from the US like Hawes.

by Sambossanova on Jun 13, 2007 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tiago
You wouldn't know it from the footage, but Tiago is not Tau's post-up guy.  I forget the name, but their other big man fills that role is that is a huge strength of his.  
What I like about what I've seen/read on Tiago suggests that he could fit our system better than about any other prospect out of the top five.  He is a great man defender, he moves very well in the open court, he seems to fill his role and not try getting out of the team concept.  More importantly, I've seen a good number of plays where he has run the pick and roll.  That is when he jumped out at me as a prospect.  It's pretty clear that Skiles would like to run that play more but has not been able to due to slow big men or big men that have suspect hands/handles.  Splitter seems to have great potential there.  
I've also seen some footage of him making some nifty and quick passes.  Even if he doesn't have a post up game, being able to pass out of the post would be of benefit.  
I think he probably is closer to PJ Brown than any other comparison's I have heard.  The difference being that he is a bit more nimble which would allow us to push the pace AND run our offensive sets effectively.
However, his contract still seems to be an issue.  I can't believe that since he first flirted with the draft THREE years ago.  
I'm a Tiago fan but I'm all for a prospect that Paxson feels is better.

by CookDing on Jun 14, 2007 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another idea
how about getting the rights to Luis Scola from the Spurs? I'm not sure of his buyout provisions but it'd likely cost the Bulls their full MLE.

The beauty of this move as it'd cost no players (or salary), just the pick straight up, and likely other 'future considerations' if needed

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2007 10:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bingo
I am all for that.  Then get some 7 footer who can play decent defense and we are set to go for a champioship...I mean it.  I still don't understand his buyout situation and how the whole thing would affect the salary situation.  It's too bad that giving Scola a MLE, which he will might demand, means giving away Nocioni.  It be kind of a sore situation.  Would be nice if one could keep both of them, but probably won't happen.

Anyways, I found this nice thread that has info on his contract situation and possible trade scenarios:

http://www.draftexpress.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3479

I like the last suggestion.  Something like Scola and the spurs 28 and 33 pick for the bulls #9 and maybe some other second rounder.

NOt only would we be getting a scoring PF with a post up game but also some more picks that we can use on 7 footers.  One of those 3-4 second round and late first round picks is bound to be useful.

by Sambossanova on Jun 13, 2007 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for that link
Looks like it's hard to get a confirmation on what exactly his buyout status is. Needless to say I'd only be interested in acquiring Scola if he could be in a Bulls uniform to start this season.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another Idea
Along the same line what about acquiring Fran Vazquez from the Magic?

by Wade.Jones on Jun 14, 2007 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vazquez
He's a complete bust and has 1/10 of the experience Scola has.  The two aren't even comparable.  

Scola in the worst of cases will be an Oberto like big man who will help out even if it takes a little bit of time for him to adjust to the contact in the paint. I know this sounds dumb, but do you think Scola is even in Paxson's radar or the thought of acquiring him has crossed his mind.  I know we are all incredibly presumptious about how great our ideas are and how Paxson should read this blog, but someone really needs to make Paxson and co. aware of the Scola idea.  Maybe email Ask Sam Smith and somehow request him to somehow forward the idea to Paxson during one of those Berto Center workout press conferences or whatever it is they do.

by Sambossanova on Jun 14, 2007 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

quick blurb on Scola from Euroleague
Luis Scola couldn't provide his usual offensive punch against Panathinaikos to lead his team past the semifinal. He was manhandled by a great individual and team defense, while he greatly suffered from his team's global offensive collapse. He's still arguably the best offensive post player in Europe, and likely a very productive player in the NBA whenever he manages to go there.

(emphasis mine, naturally)

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2047

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More digging for Scola news
(I really should've made a new thread for this. argh.)

Interview with Bobcats director of international scouting:

Q) There are rumors that Luis Scola's rights, held by San Antonio, could involve a trade at draft time. Is he a guy that could make an immediate NBA impact in the league right now?

A) There are always a flurry of trades and trade offers around draft time. Specifically, Luis has been the leader and franchise player of Taugres for at least the last five years. Just like Garbajosa he would be a solid NBA contributor. I think that's pretty much a unanimous opinion by NBA experts.

No word on whether this guy has since been replaced by one of Jordan's blackjack buddies.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assume Pax is well aware
But if someone wants to email Sam I'd be interested if he even thought it was an option. He doesn't seem to enthusiastic when it comes to researching international players, however.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Call
On Scola & bombarding Chard Ford with questions.  

San Antonio can gets the #9 to grab maybe a young small forward and Bulls get Scola and maybe a late first round pick.  It would be interesting.

Anybody have anything from Paxson on Scola?

by Jesse07 on Jun 14, 2007 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good idea indeed...
If you want to go the Euroleague way, why not go after Papadopoulos (or something like that), the Greek center.

Not very athletic, but big with a post game (that's mostly what he does, score in the paint), best hook shot I've ever seen outside of KAJabbar. Very hard to block, even though he hardly jumps himself.

Saw him play against very good competition at the Olympics, and he was good.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 14, 2007 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

king dopplepopoulos
(57 BlogABull-bucks for getting that reference)

I don't know who you're referring to. Greek Center? This guy?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Sofoklis Shortsanitis...
Sofoklis is young and quite fast (and a little undersized for a center, he looks like a small version of Shaq). He indeed got praise at the last worlds for doing coast-to-coasts against the US. If you see him (big and fat), it is surprising how fast and how well he handles the ball. He would be harder to get I think, as there is more hype surrounding him that Papadopoulos.

The one I was refering to is (I found the name again) Lazaros Papadopoulos. Taller and older. More experienced too. I think he's playing for Dynamo Moscow now.

No superstar status (this is not to replace a Gasol deal for example, but more another option besides Scola, and either to get), you have to accept his flaws (not very athletic to say the least), but great low post skills (and he's something like 6 feet 11).

He's not too young so maybe he has slowed down even more now and does not have the impact he had in 2004 (when I say him at the olympics) anymore.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 14, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

was it queen?
balls, I messed up my own reference.

that means you get an extra 10 blogabull bucks bringing you to a grand total of 67! congrats.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i will probably take them with me on the plane
which i will fly to australia, get off of and then...go into grizzlebees.

cowaBUNGa

by colintj on Jun 15, 2007 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is the 9 being picked today?
The NFL just called and said the SB Nation mock draft is boring.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 14, 2007 10:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

haha
yeah, it's certainly not 'real-time'. But my pick is likely made by tonight.

I'm talking to GM Powell about Scola, and I'll just fudge reality by assuming he'd be easily bought out this offseason.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

jeez
could it be any more boring?  At this rate, the mock will still be playing out after the draft is over.
Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 14, 2007 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
Like a proud papa...

by cubbybear on Jun 14, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the hole
So whats the concensus??  I see that a couple of players that we hoped would fall to us at 9 have been selected and since we are one pick away we should decide what we are going to do??  Noah??  Hawes?? Euro??

by TT 4 Prez on Jun 14, 2007 10:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scola
Doesn't the #9 pick seem like a reach for Scola?? I don't know much about this guy but he doesn't seem worth the #9 pick in a supposedly deep draft.  As much as I hate to say this I think Noah or possibly Hawes would be the better option.  

by TT 4 Prez on Jun 14, 2007 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

SCola
was drafted two years ago by the spurs but they didnt want to buyout his contract which Tau was asking a large sum for.  They still own his draft rights though, so we are talking about tradinf our number 9 pick for his draft rights.  Just to clear that all up.  

by Sambossanova on Jun 14, 2007 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt, what's your pick?
I notice they're on 7 now.  Jeff Green is still on the board.  That said, I think the right answer is that the Bulls need a legit big man, so either take Hawes, or trade down so we can grab Hawes or Jason Smith with a later pick and get a few bonus goodies.  Don't fall into the trap of thinking that Scola is the answer based on one blog entry and a couple random Google searches.  

Remember, the Bulls don't need a dominant big man.  Just someone who can bang, can score a little (emphasis: little), play defense and take a little pressure off the perimeter guys.  I know everyone here is looking for the pivot of the future but the Bulls are a perimeter team and that's their strength.

Do us proud.

by paxson43 on Jun 14, 2007 11:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he doesn't have to be dominant
but they do need a big man (or anyone) who commands a double-team. This team's offense is NOT GOOD.

Scola does seem to be an answer to your meager expectations ("someone who can bang, can score a little (emphasis: little), play defense and take a little pressure off the perimeter guys."). I'd hope he's actually better than that.

And besides they'd still have trade chips to get more help in the frontcourt, which right now is only Wallace, Thomas and Khryapa.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not yet
like I said, we're talking.

And of course I'll try and expand it to get Duhon out of town :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

see if you can get finley added
in a sign and trade for Noc and spurs first round pick in 2008 and 2010.
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 14, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a fan of Scola for the #9,
but San Antonio does need a backup PG.  If we want Scola then send them Noc and Duh to them later on this summer in a sign and trade.  

by Scotter on Jun 14, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trading duh
Im a bigger fan of this move too.  You hear the words "best post game in Europe" and you get excited.  He is 27 years old and was drafted something like 56 overall.  Plus, he is only 6'9" 230....

I just cannot wait until the 28th.

by Jesse07 on Jun 14, 2007 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The size thing does bother me.
He can only play as an undersized PF.  Scola might help fill the hole in our post game, but he's going to dig some holes in other areas.  Why don't the Spurs want him?  Is it just the money they'd have to pay him?  

by Scotter on Jun 14, 2007 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing so
plus I'd guess they'd like to get younger.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

younger and more athletic then?
They need youth on the wings more than in the frontcourt. Add in that a draft pick will be 20-22 years old and cost less than Scola...there's some advantages.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why rush?
The contract situation is my guess.

They're about to win a championship. Why spend all this money to get the guy when they most obviously haven't needed him? At this point, looks like they played their cards right.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2007 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and being an 'undersized' PF
worries me too.

he wouldn't be the final answer but I think he could contribute. Then there's still assets to deal for yet another frontcourt player if need be.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excitement about Scola
How can people be excited about Splitter when he is a second string center for the same team that Tau is on or Jianlin when he plays in a league thats about 10 times worse than the Spanish league. Well I can sort of understand the Yi excitement because he is a seven footer that plays or tries to play like tracy mcgrady/dirk nowitxki combo.  Anyways, Scola was the spanish league player of the year twice.  He probably used to give players like nocioni and Oberto, Garbajosa and company a beating when he played against them. Averaged 17 points per game in Euro Basketball.  I am not saying he is our savior but he is what we need minus 2 inches. And even though he is white, he is not a stiff. Couldn't find many youtube videos, but here is a nice clip:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u6tNlLqx-TM

by Sambossanova on Jun 14, 2007 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can get excited about anyone..
...if they're taken in the right spot. Splitter in the late first (when "the talk" was lottery last year) isn't bad. Especially if they're using the nine to fill the scoring need. Hell, I'm still excited about Adam Haluska--as long as the Bulls don't draft him.
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I insist but...
the guy Scola goes against in the youtube video is Lazaros Papadopoulos :-)
The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 15, 2007 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My impression
was that Splitter played PF/C but played mostly starter's minutes.  Have you read something different elsewhere?  
My excitement for Splitter is that he has the Height that we are starving for, he's atheletic, seems to have a solid team/work ethic and is experienced.  Scola seems to have all of that but with more offense and less height.

by CookDing on Jun 15, 2007 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well that doesn't quite work
since Scola isn't even signed. It's a deal for the 'rights' to Scola.

So Nocioni is off limits (and I still am pretty sure it's impossible to include the year's draft picks with sign/trades. Only players under existing contracts).

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why can't you sign Noc
and trade him for someone's draft rights?  

by Scotter on Jun 14, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...
Trade Chris Duhon and who?  From the Chad Ford answer session this morning, someone in San Antonio was looking for a backup point gaurd.  :)

by Jesse07 on Jun 14, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade
Are we getting the Spurs pick as well?

by TT 4 Prez on Jun 14, 2007 11:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My final conclusion...
...because I know everyone cares what I think:

Draft either Hawes or get the rights to Scola with the number 9. Then get into the 20-25 range and get Splitter there.

If they still have another pick, go for a "sweet shooter" at either PG or SF. (Derrrr... a month ago I'd say Haluska, but he could be got after the draft, so.... whoever).

That'd be my ideal draft for right now.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2007 12:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bulls and Horford, Hawes rising, and Noah falling
"Chad Ford: I'd say that everyone seems to be trying to get their hands on Al Horford ... but with Memphis almost a lock to take him at No. 4, that means they have to deal with Atlanta at No. 3. The Bucks, Bulls and Sixers would all love to move up and get him. Some are whispering that the Wolves may take Spencer Hawes at No. 7 ... in that case he's rising. Nick Young of USC also seems to be rising right now. As far as falling, I'm not sure Joakim Noah is helping himself in workouts."

I've been worried this might happen with Hawes.  Leave it to Kevin McHale to screw my plan up, and turn Hawes into a bust on top of it.

by Scotter on Jun 14, 2007 12:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chad Ford
I would love to see Hawes go at #7 because it would increase the possibilities that either Brandan Wright or Yi falls to the Bulls.  A dream scenario is Conley at #3 and Hawes going #7.

by Jesse07 on Jun 14, 2007 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Insider - Noah
Whoever has insider tell me what this is about.

Which team is excited about Joakim Noah's latest workout? Read this and the latest draft buzz in NBA Local.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?page=nbalocal/070614&action=login&appRedir ect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fpage%3dnbalocal%2f070614

by Jesse07 on Jun 14, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Add to my "dream scenario" of the day.
  1.  POR-Oden  
  2.  SEA-Durant.
  3.  ALT-Conley.
  4.  MEM-Noah
  5.  CEL -___
  6.  MIL -__
  7.  MIN - Hawes
  8.  CHAR- ____
  9.  Bulls can pick between Horford, Yi, B. Wright, & Brewer.
Now that is something to be excited about.  

by Jesse07 on Jun 14, 2007 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Memphis takes Noah with the 4th pick
they may as well start making the Las Vegas Grizzlies jerseys.
If there are problems in this world that jumping can solve, Tyrus Thomas will solve them. (Truehoop)

by Chalkwhite on Jun 14, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noah
He would be a defensive minded big man to go with Gasol.  Do you think the Grizzle's SF would find Noah's hair atractive?

Gasol, Noah, Gay they might complement eachother.  That said, probably just a smoke screen.  

by Jesse07 on Jun 14, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noah
is the ugly girl with the hot friends who everybody talks to at the party so that they can disguise the fact they are really after her hot friends.
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 14, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of agree
Is there a single fan base that would be happy with Noah being on their team? I feel like only Florida fans like this guy.
If there are problems in this world that jumping can solve, Tyrus Thomas will solve them. (Truehoop)

by Chalkwhite on Jun 14, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leave Noah alone
He's a great teammate and a smart player.  Who cares if he is "unique" looking?
Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 14, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed
I don't see anyone posting a jpeg of their mug on here. That said, Noah's well-documented douchebaggery ("good teammate") may not fit in the Bulls' locker room.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 14, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he'd fit
but not as the #9 pick.  I think he'd be great as a pick up around pick #20.
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 14, 2007 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
he's part european and part african, and we (in Europe at least) do not have the same fears than the americans about revealing part of our feminine side.

It's like in the US you guys have some sort of paranoia about being mistaken for a gay person, or some other underlying reason for that defensive behaviour.

That's it, had to point this out in defense of Joakim. He looks perfectly normal to me.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 15, 2007 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to see Duhon won't mind be traded.
K.C. Johnson has something, and I don't really care to read after the first few paragraphs.

Nice quote:

"From where this organization was when I came here to where it is now, of course I want to be a part of that and see this through," Duhon said. "But if I did get traded, there would be no hard feelings. I understand it's a business."
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2007 1:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about Horford?
If he slipped to us at #9 it'd obviuosly be great - it seems unlikely though. But he is definetly the guy that fits our needs best in this draft (apart from Oden of course). Big and strong body, some semblence of a post game, good defense, reasonable athleticism. ATL desperately needs a Point Guard but picking Conley at #3 seems like a big reach. So why not offer them our Pick at 9 and throw in Duhon + cash? (I assume you can't trade Noc before draft day) Would they do that? Do they have any bad contracts we could take off of them and send them Viktor in return? What do you guys think?
I miss Colossus. No really, I do.

by spider from split on Jun 14, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they could get a lot more
for trading down from #3, methinks. Hortford may be the only guy I'd trade up for though.

Also, there's little guarantee that Conley lasts until #9.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...
they'd probably want than that for trading out of the top three. Any speculation about a sign and trade with whomever picks horford is probably premature since we don't know who it. But should he be someone the Bulls should seriously target, though I guess the majority of trades involving prospects happen only on draft day?
I miss Colossus. No really, I do.

by spider from split on Jun 14, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Horford
I think he is the main target for Pax.  He reminds me of Elton Brand coming out of school

by TT 4 Prez on Jun 14, 2007 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A reach has been made at #8
inside sources tell me the 'Cats representitive took Al Thornton at #8.

That leaves it between Green and Hawes in my mind. Or trading down (or out) from that pick.

last minute thoughts? I'll wait a couple hours to try and work a deal (because that's more fun for me) but assuming there's none...

...I like Green. I think he has just as much 'upside' as Hawes with the added plus of being more ready to contribute now. And hell, he's 6'9_1/2" in shoes with wacky wingspan and standing reach.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 4:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Go for it
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on Jun 14, 2007 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like
Bullshooter's idea of Duhon & # 9 to ATL for Pachulia and # 11.  Throw in a future 1st if you need to, but you can get a post scorer and maybe Green slips to # 11.  

by Rodmaniac on Jun 14, 2007 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe
I'll try, but Pachulia is such a bargain and one of the rare true frontcourt guys the Hawks have, I highly doubt he's available.

And I don't think Green is slipping past the Kings at #10, to be honest.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do his shoes add more than others?
He gets an extra 1 3/4" when others are between 1 - 1 1/4"... Seriously, what's that about? I mean, I guess it says something about the types of shoes the guy feels comfortable in, but if he gets some new shoes, did he just lose 1/2" off his height?
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2007 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bobcats pick at number 8
If they pick thornton that also leaves brewer.  I know he doesnt fill any needs and is extremely skinny but the pippen comparisons are tempting and he is a lockdown defender just like every other player that currently is part of the bulls.  Then again, we dont want to end up looking like a defensive version of the hawks.

by Sambossanova on Jun 14, 2007 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahhh crap
my bad didnt see that timberwolves already selected brewer. blah.

by Sambossanova on Jun 14, 2007 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

u sure about Green?
He needs to improve on his ballhandling and making his own shot off the dribble. He has had a tendency to disappear at times, and not be as aggressive as he should be based on his talent. He needs to understand how good he really is and dominate the game like he is capable of.

Sounds like a small Eddy Curry...

by ScottieCartwright on Jun 14, 2007 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like Deng all over again
Wait, Luol Deng already plays for the Bulls.  Wow.  Pick Hawes and get it over with.
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 14, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great minds think alike
or something.
Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 14, 2007 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it me
or does Blogabull get 1000x the traffic and comments that any of the other SB basketball blogs get?
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 14, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah
GoldenStateofMind does more, in fact.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take Hawes, Matthew
What exactly does Green do for us?  Become a slightly taller, quicker Nocioni with no 3 point shot?

C'mon, we need SIZE and POST PLAY.  Just take the big man and move on.  If the Bulls end up with another 6'8-9" player, I am going to post all summer using nothing but recycled posts from last season about how the Bulls are too damn short!

Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 14, 2007 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, but see....
what if Hawes can't play? then not only do you still need SIZE and POST PLAY but then you turded up your draft pick.

I'm trying not to get too hung up on NEEEEEEED when picking. I'd trade for need, that way you know what you're getting.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm saying this for 'real life' purposes
not this mock draft in particular.

If Pax wants to draft a Deng clone in Green (which he very well may be) I have no problem with that if he's the better pro prospect than Hawes.

It's not like having two Luol Dengs would be the worst thing...

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Green is far more Boris Diaw than Deng.
A point forward that post some, put can't slash to the basket and doesn't want to score.  Deng was the best player not named LeBron in his HS class.

by Scotter on Jun 14, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ZAZA
If Green goes #10 then take Hawes at 11!!  Then we have added 2 footers to take the load off Big Ben.  

by TT 4 Prez on Jun 14, 2007 4:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey now
If you can magically leverage Duhon, the 9, and maybe some cash, and turn it into Zaza and Hawes, more power to you.
Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 14, 2007 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'm going to deal this pick
just so that nobody between the pro-hawes and anti-hawes groups are happy.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 6:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

btw, how do you like this?
#9/Duh/Veektor for Scola/Elson/Udrih

-I didn't want to throw in Veektor's contract too, but he had to be there or else the package comes up just short of matching money.

-I may try and swap 2nd rounders for kicks.

-I like Beno Udrih

-Elson is tall(!)

-Neither of them are signed beyond next season.

-to fudge reality, lets assume Scola can be brought here for the MLE or less, and that he's an NBA-level post scorer

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa, almost forgot
'Bulls' also get #23 overall. Kindof a big addition.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what?
I'd think I'd be at peace with that.
Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 14, 2007 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beno is terrible
Duhon had a better shootin' season.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 14, 2007 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll chalk it up to 'lost season'
his TS% was 54.9, 53.9 before 45.9 this year.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyway
for all I know, Udrih would be buried to the bench here like he was in SA,  because of his high TOs and suspect defense.

But assume Duh's minutes go to Thabo, and Udrih is the emergency PG

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2007 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do it.
And then take Splitter--or trade to get him. haha.... I am a broken record. He and Elson might be similar and neither might be great, but it's two seven-footers to replace losing Brown. I like it.

I think it's one of the best possible situations for the Bulls. They add a lot of height and some low-post scoring, and don't totally fall off the map with the backup backcourt.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2007 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if one of them sports the fade.
Pj Brown's is the best.

THE BEST

Like a proud papa...

by cubbybear on Jun 15, 2007 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade
I am all for this trade.  Elson would be nice to have.  He will be able to spend a good amount of time against teams like the magic who ahve two big men that are tough to match up against. If you trade for the rights to luis scola and he doesnt play right away (assuming theres a contract buyout problem) for how long would the bulls have the rights to him? The 28th pick and 33rd pick for our second rounders would be like icing on the cake.  Then we could draft some big man project, maybe splitter if he is somehow still around because of his contract situation and/or a point guard like petri kaponen (hes a big pg around 6 5 and pure point guard) or whatever his name is from finland to have even more backup pg in casse udrih is awful or sefolasha doesnt work out.

by Sambossanova on Jun 14, 2007 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Make the pick!
For the love of those of us on the east coast who have jobs, MAKE  THE  PICK!
Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on Jun 14, 2007 10:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

excited
but it probably would have been hard to make a trade with the spurs on the night they win the nba finals.  

by Sambossanova on Jun 15, 2007 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope it is up in the morning.
Hopefully before we go to the movies with the camp I work at.

by SRQman on Jun 15, 2007 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This might be the least enthusiastic
team to win the NBA Championship.

Duncan : "Hooray... we won..."

Popovich, Ginobli, Parker : "Yay."

Rasheed Wallace likes to comment about guys' butts. -"Them butt holes got tighter and TIGHTER."

by NittanyBull on Jun 14, 2007 10:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not like they had a great struggle
The Cavs are probably the worst team they faced in the entire playoffs.  Honestly, they won the championship after they beat the Suns.  The entire Finals were anticlimactic.

by Big D on Jun 14, 2007 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

granted, I see your point
But I could really care less about how enthused they seem...I wish the Bulls were in the position to say "yay" right now

by ScottieCartwright on Jun 14, 2007 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Way to completely
miss the point
Rasheed Wallace likes to comment about guys' butts. -"Them butt holes got tighter and TIGHTER."

by NittanyBull on Jun 14, 2007 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as did u

by ScottieCartwright on Jun 14, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT COMEBACK!
Sure made me think more!
Rasheed Wallace likes to comment about guys' butts. -"Them butt holes got tighter and TIGHTER."

by NittanyBull on Jun 15, 2007 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figured the Spurs would win, but I am surprised
at how ineffectual Cavs were, especially LeBron.

I at least expected the Cavs to win two of three at home. LeBron looked lost at times. He failed to ever figure out the doubles and traps he was facing. It really makes me wonder how good the Pistons really were (and, in turn, how mediocre the Bulls really were).

That was an ugly, lopsided series filled with plodding, deliberate basketball.

by 1958ChiTown on Jun 14, 2007 11:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm discouraged after watching the Finals
These Finals have shown that the Bulls (along with every team in the East) have a long way to go to be good enough to actually win a championship.  The Bulls looked completely overwhelmed against a Detroit team that the Cavs beat!  Watching the Cavs in the Finals, it's hard to believe that they beat anybody.  Even if the Bulls had won that last game in Jersey, gotten the second seed, and gotten to the Finals, I have a hard time believing they would have won a game against the Spurs either.  Let's face it, the ultimate goal is to win a title, not just to luck into the Finals by playing in a terrible conference and then get humiliated by a team like the Spurs.

by Big D on Jun 14, 2007 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cavs suck
they played two easy series and then played a detroit team that was not very sharp, while the cavs played there best basketball.  Detroit, or the bulls or even the heat with a healthier wade would have given the Spurs more of a challenge.  Mike Brown has to be one of the worse coaches in the league.  Has there ever been a coach who has reached the nba finals who has been fired shortly after.  WEll if there hasnt, now would be a good time.  

by Sambossanova on Jun 14, 2007 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cavs versus the Spurs
looked like the Heat against the Bulls...totally out-matched, over-matched, whatever you want to call it.  NOBODY in the East would've beaten SA.

by ScottieCartwright on Jun 14, 2007 11:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont think
It is that simple.

The Caveliers style of play ("pass it to lebron") is probably the worst offense to throw at the spurs, who are a very sound team defensive team. I think if the bulls had faced the spurs, they would have taken the game to at least 6.

Detroit couldnt stop lebron, not because lebron is that good, but because detroit is really stupid. They are big, ugly and stupid. They were able to bully the bulls (sadly) but when facing james...uhh the only guy on the team who can score, and you double him AFTER he begins his attack at the rim???? WHAT!?!?!?!

I dont like the whole, well this team beat this team, so that means this team could kill both those teams (confusing huh)....its usually about matchups, and playing styles. Coaches really stick out in the playoffs. Simply passing the ball to lebron for every point needed, was never gonna hurt the spurs, the bulls who pass the ball around and can score in a variety of ways (if not the low post yet) would have had the spurs more jumbled on how to play defense.

Oh well, maybe next year we can show the cavs how its done (by the way, i think the bulls may have a hard time with lebron...maybe)

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jun 15, 2007 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You make good points
but I still think that SA was just that good.  I do think either the Bulls or Detroit could've done better than the Cavs, possibly stretched it to 6 games...but in the end, I still think SA would've been too much to handle.

True, the game is based A LOT on matchups, but in the end it boils down to sheer talent and will.  If a team is just that much better than you, eventually it's going to show.

Not only did the Bulls have the matchup advantage over Miami, but they were also the better team.  The same can be said about the second series against Detroit.

That's the point I was trying to make though...if you remember the Miami series, it seemed that they did make runs, they came close plenty of times, they took the lead a few times, but they could never sustain it or get over the hump for good.  That's what the Cavs looked like to me.  They did some good things, but SA was too strong and would not allow them to get over the hump.

Like you said, maybe next year we'll have a chance to show Cleveland how it's done.

by ScottieCartwright on Jun 15, 2007 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hear Hear!!!
(read above)
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jun 15, 2007 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...
the bulls with the 9th pick in the 2007 NBA draft choose :

Spencer Hawes.

Well, Matt did.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 15, 2007 6:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He couldn't get the Spurs
on the Phone since they were to busy celebrating their championship, so he did what he had to do.  

I know Matt took this seriously and I appreciate it.  It would of been Nice to acquire Scola. So hopefully Pax gets it done.

Well done Matt!

by Wade.Jones on Jun 15, 2007 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh
that's exactly what happened. (re: the Spurs guy)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 15, 2007 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hawes?
I thought you didnt like hawes at all and preferred someone like jeff green. Howd the etrade with the spurs breakdown?

by Sambossanova on Jun 15, 2007 8:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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