The Bulls won't draft Roy Hibbert...
as he just pulled his name out of the draft. This hurts a bit - he would have been one of the better post scorers that available at 9, if he had entered the draft. I think this makes the prospect of some sort of trade (either up in the draft or for a veteran) that much more likely.
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I think we'll
by bu11s on May 23, 2007 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As Matt said...
by tyger1147 on May 23, 2007 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawes
by SportsWorld on May 23, 2007 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am organizing a protest march if we select Hawes
by 1958ChiTown on May 23, 2007 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be more worried about Noah than Hawes.
by tyger1147 on May 23, 2007 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hair would become our most plentiful asset
by cubbybear on May 23, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter.
by tyger1147 on May 23, 2007 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawes
by piccolomair on May 25, 2007 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade the pick for Randolph
- He's a MSU boy, which is a plus for Skiles.
- He'll flourish under Skiles and Paxson, as he did under Nate McMillan and not with Mo Cheeks.
by eddiew23 on May 23, 2007 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Randolph does not do it
Frontcourt SIZE, kids. Not just frontcourt scoring.
by preverbal on May 24, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can question his character and contract size
Randolph could be one of those guys, and in a different market, could prove he's past the stupid mistakes off the court.
by eddiew23 on May 24, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 23, 2007 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's great
by eddiew23 on May 23, 2007 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 23, 2007 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me translate
by paxson43 on May 23, 2007 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet JoeJoe would have said the same things about
by eddiew23 on May 23, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodman
by bullshooter on May 23, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Nor breaking his team-mate's jaw.
Rodman was a wild, unpredictable guy, but generally benign in his craziness. Randolph has a frickin' rap sheet, is a complainer and club-house cancer, and has never played on a contender. What am I missing?
by Bayern Munich on May 24, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
way to be fair
by Paxson Jackson on May 24, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true that he wasn't convicted
but did you read the transcripts? Rather damning stuff. I'm not saying he should be in prison for it, obviously everyone has the presumption of innocence, but it's not even in the same league as Rodman's mild craziness.
Zach's high school coach, after his former player made it to the NBA:
"I just don't want the day to come where I pick up that paper and it says Zach shot someone, or that he was shot. Every day that goes by that I don't see that, I feel good."
Patterson is a jackass. I'll give you that much.
by Bayern Munich on May 24, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he has played
by Paxson Jackson on May 24, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
by Paxson Jackson on May 24, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 23, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a thankless job, I'm guessing
by ChrisRobin on May 23, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like the Dharma Initiative
by paxson43 on May 23, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It now comes seems to come down to
by chgobr on May 24, 2007 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not a Noah fan so
I would take Yi if he was there then Hawes second. He is 7 feet tall and can bulk up. He was sick this year and lost weight because of that so he can improve. Hawes also has a lot of post moves and is a very good player in the post area which I think would help the Bulls a lot.
Scouting Reports on Hawes- Similarities: Vlade Divac
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=483
http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/spencerhawes.html
Scouting Reports on Noah-
Similarities:Anderson Varejao meets Andrei Kirilenko
by SRQman on May 24, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you want to take Yi
by chgobr on May 24, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a hunch
by SRQman on May 24, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
by chgobr on May 24, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree with you on our need.
by SRQman on May 24, 2007 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About Yi vs Hawes
Both guys have identicle weights and heights, so it comes down to what they do.
Yi is a seven footer who moves and plays like a SF. Thats pretty cool, he could attack the rim without any problem, shoot over most guys, he has alot of energy so he can get blocks and rebounds, and just keep running and scoring. But...the bulls dont need that.
We have luol deng who can shoot and attack the rim, much like yi will be able to do, and deng is just bound to get better like yi, yi just has height over him.
As for the energy, we have tyrus thomas, and if you want to trade tyrus then its fine to get yi, but does anyone want tyrus gone?
Basically yi doesnt give the bulls anything they dont have except maybe size. So we would still be lacking a low post scorer.
What i have heard is, all players in college, especially the big men, have to bulk up alot in order to be anything in the nba. Even oden will have to bulk up to actually keep up with guys like shaq, yao, duncan, garnett. However, i have also heard that if a guy doesnt develop any post game by the end of the first season, he probably never will.
Now i know you can develop a post game just by practicing, but the only real time you would get to train a post game is in the offseason, because in the regular season you basically try to play with what you got. That said, it might be several years before yi gets any kind of post game (right now his only post game is a turn around jumper, and a sky hook), plus yi will also have to get stronger.
Knowing this, wouldnt you want hawes, he has all the moves, just needs to get stronger, and im sure he could add 20 lbs by the end of the first season. Doesnt that make him worth it? Doesnt that give the bulls what they desperately need.
Now, i dont think in his first couple years he will ever draw double teams, i think yi probably will, but not hawes. BUT... i think what the bulls really need is someone other than luol deng, who can score when the jumpers arent falling. Someone who you can pass to on the inside, and destroy a zone. I think hawes is really that guy.
by piccolomair on May 25, 2007 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent! You are influencing me
by chgobr on May 25, 2007 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wooo agree i want Hawes
by SRQman on May 25, 2007 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on the bandwagon for Hawes...
Kirk his entering his prime and Wallace will decline, but Gordon just turned 24, Deng just turned 22, Thabo just turned 23, Thomas will be 21 in August. This is still a VERY young team. I'm not (as a fan) in desperate need for a championship right now. I'd still take the best player with the most potential.
There's no reason that those four plus Hawes couldn't be a great rotation for years to come.
by tyger1147 on May 25, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense
I figure you were refering to his age being (is it?) 26, and that 28 is usually when players hit prime. But i guess im just saying its not always the case.
by piccolomair on May 25, 2007 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not that simple
by Rankdog on May 25, 2007 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case
Yi is a top 5 in this draft, and we have pick number 9....
Also i understand your statement about hawes, but aside from what you can find on youtube, what more do we know of yi? Maybe hawes isnt the answer, but neither is yi.
I am definetly on the bandwagon for "if we can get a proven veteran, we should", but i would say if we are gonna get someone from the draft it should be hawes. I dont see what part of yi's game will contribute to the bulls, he gives us stuff we already have.
Like i said, i understand your reasons for not liking hawes, and i understand that yi is gonna be a great player, i just dont see how that is gonna fit in with the bulls. I mean, either yi will have to hold back and come off the bench, which means if he is as good as you believe, he is being restricted of proving his talents. Or else tyrus thomas or luol deng will get less minutes.
I should also say, that im not a huge fan of anyone in the draft because i dont watch college basketball, and obviously dont watch international basketball. I read up on the top ten guys in the draft, and i watched youtube footage of whoever i could find in an actual game (i did watch the yi nike commercial...)and then i came up with who i thought was the best guy.
And whether he is the best guy in the draft, or the best overall player in the draft is none of my concern, im looking at what the bulls really are lacking, and a guy who can fill that spot if there is no veteran available.
by piccolomair on May 26, 2007 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion on the matter is this...
by Rankdog on May 26, 2007 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawes stiff?
Are you attacking perhaps hawes physique? If you are i hope you realize that both hawes and yi have identical heights and weights. Really the big difference comes down to playing type and charachter.
From what i have read hawes is also very coachable, a coaches son. He was also trained by his uncle Steve Hawes, who played in the nba (the name doesnt ring a bell so you could imagine the guy was nothing special, but being in the nba you would have to assume he knew how the game worked and had some skill) and Robert Swift (that name should ring a bell).
As for playing type, again ill say this, yi will never excel at post game if doesnt show he has one by his first season or so. He is much like luol deng, a jump shooter and slasher. I think hawes just needs to bulk up, which i think is alot easier than actually learning to play in the post. After all there is no big man (and yes this goes for oden too) who has the bulk needed for the nba level.
Like i said, i do see yi being great, but if his comparison is really gonna be dirk, then we dont need him. Dirk never was able to even post up on anyone from golden state.
I am sure everyone wants the bulls to win now and later and i think having that low post scorer is what we need to accomplish that. Hawes already has the moves, he just needs to be conditioned to use them against the big guys. Yi lacks the moves and the conditioning to be an effective post player. Having him will eventually bring back the argument, "what the bulls really need is that big post player to ease some of the pressure off the gaurds". Keep in mind Yi is also a jump shooter, and no matter how good he is, at some point jump shooting really doesnt cut it.
As for coaching wise, i gave you what i feel about hawes, but i wonder if yi would have problems due to language barriers. And since he really wants to be a star, would he be willing to pass the rock around, or would he want to try to attack the basket full speed? Would he pass out of the double team and hit the open guy, or be hell bent on dunking the ball that he would commit an offensive foul. How tough are those chinese b-ball players, i would like to think the nba players are ten folds stronger. Look at yao, he still has troubles with the bigs in the nba, and he is bigger and stronger than yi by a mile.
I do understand the positives of yi, i assure you. I think with pj brown gone, it would be nice to have a big guy who can shoot mid range shots. But i dont think even a more athletic pj brown would have made a huge factor in the playoffs. I also see how having yi could make other players more expendable like tyrus and deng, but i dont think anyone wants to see those two leave (as for sweetney and allen...i dont think sweetney will be on the team really, and malik allen can also hit that mid range jumper from time to time and help out the bulls).
As for the rest of the bigs, comparably, none are really as tall as hawes or as talented. They are pretty much bigger and maybe have more range to thier shot. Hawes can finish with both hands in the paint, and (as its been said many times before) has the most developed post game of any of the prospects in the draft. He isnt just your typical "try hard with no talent" he is a definite post game specialist who is ready to try hard.
If possible i would like you to make me understand why yi is so much better than hawes, or more so, why he would truly help the bulls more than hawes. I see him as a risk, and though his reward may be great in the near future, i can see hawes helping us now and then.
by piccolomair on May 26, 2007 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a great string.
by chgobr on May 26, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what ive read
Yi is a high energy player, so i could imagine him grab boards like tyrus would, except he has a few inches on tyrus, which would make him more effective.
Id say yi would be the better rebounder.
I havent read any negetives on either of thier wills, and so i would assume they both would give it thier all.
Hawes played guard alot before his size kicked in high school, because of that he has great ball handling skills and is an unselfish passer who can move the ball around whether it be in the post, on the permiter or open court. Yi plays like a guard in general (okay more like sf)so he should be a good ball handler (from the videos ive seen, i think he can handle the ball better than deng, that is a plus)
It is probably unknown how good either player would get, and thus who knows which one is more likely to get that double team. Having hawes in the post and his ability to pass the ball out though should help the team out even if doesnt get the double team.
Yi's ability to attack the rim and just the sheer size of him shooting fadeaways might attract double teams, because i havent read anything about his passing ability, good or bad, i assume he is a "normal" passer, and that makes me question if in a tight situation he would chuck the ball rather than hit the open guy.
I'm sorry, i think i confused you more.
by piccolomair on May 26, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that one will be taken by the time 9
by chgobr on May 26, 2007 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just imagine
Anyone know when the Orlando workouts are and if the public can attend? I would drive up if I could see some.
by SRQman on May 26, 2007 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could get group rates
by chgobr on May 26, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
by piccolomair on May 26, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
side question
What has happended to UW basketball program; 2 years ago they are a #1 seed, and seem to have no household names (unless im forgetting someone)
then last year they are 4/5 seed with ton of household names (roy, another guard, that applewhite character)
then this year hawes has been hyped forever and htye do nothing. You would think with the talent, hawes, and recent success, you would get better talent; or at least more production. Does that mean Lorenzo is a bad coach; its a bad program; or just the little ups and downs a program has to suffer on the way to bigger and better things
by milesgmsu on May 28, 2007 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More opinion
Yi has a different style game. He can shoot the ball, he can run the break, he can handle the ball. Yes there is a risk with Yi, but he has more identifiable skills. He has more upside besides simply being tall. No he probably doesn't fit the Bulls need for a classic back to the basket post player who score tons of points in the paint right now. In his workouts he does show he has some post moves but like a lot his game its unproven against NBA caliber talent. His game does not at all resemeble Yao. If he was another Yao (your comparison not mine) he would be the number 1 pick hands down in this draft. He favorables more to a Dirk than a Yao. Dirk came to the league as a perimeter player that could run the break and later developed a post game. (Yes I realize you are not a fan of Dirk's post up game)
In my opinion taking Hawes because of a need instead of taking a better player like Yi would be a huge mistake. Make no mistake about it NBA scouts love this guy because he is tall and you can't teach tall. Maybe I am wrong but I am not a Hawes believer. I don't believe Hawes is the answer to the Bulls lack of post presence now or in the future.
by Rankdog on May 26, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drop white from the discussion
By all accounts Hawes is an accomplished post player, a great passer, and can hit a jumpshot. What do you want him to do, somersaults?
I don't know enough about him to jump fully on the bandwagon, but from what I have read, he sounds like an intriguing prospect and a good fit for the Bulls.
Also, keep in mind that he had a nasty virus his freshman (only) season, and he lost alot of weight, so his freshman year numbers are probably understated. I read that he's up to 250lbs this summer, so he's well on his way to developing an NBA body.
by preverbal on May 26, 2007 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawes had that virus and it dramatically
by SRQman on May 26, 2007 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats how i felt
by piccolomair on May 26, 2007 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Rankdog
by piccolomair on May 26, 2007 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morrissey
by Paxson Jackson on May 27, 2007 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second....
by Rankdog on May 27, 2007 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was commenting on the column
by Paxson Jackson on May 27, 2007 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by Rankdog on May 27, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and No
by piccolomair on May 27, 2007 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If.......
by Rankdog on May 28, 2007 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soka
And i see paxson grabbing yi at 9, just to trade it and get hawes.
by piccolomair on May 28, 2007 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More on Hawes
Lets pretend for a second that Hawes has that potential (I disagee but will get to that in a second). He isn't going to start this year and probably won't get significant tick. Which means his chances of hitting said numbers are unlikely meaning he would more than likely not impact the Bulls of this year. 2009 would likely be the season he starts to see playing time. Big Ben is likely to be well into decline for 09/10 which means the window is likely to be slowly closing. I just do not see this guy as the answer. To fill the need we need someone who can step in and start right away. I do not believe we will find the missing piece in this draft. Which is why I feel strongly we should take best prospect available and groom him for the future or trade the pick to bring in a post player.
Leading into my next point on Hawes. The kid is 7 foot and weighs (pre-virus) 250ish. He doesn't have an NBA body to play the 4 yet. He is compared to guy who averaged 11 points 6 rebounds in his career. Scouting reports say he has below average to average athleticism. This all to say nothing of his ability to defend other bigs at the NBA level. If we drafted this guy we would be lucky if he replaced PJ Brown's production. Frankly that isn't going to get us any further than we already are. BTW I thought PJ Brown was a much better player than Divac.
by Rankdog on May 29, 2007 4:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yi Playtime
You could have him play the 3, but that means taking luol deng out of the game, and knowing skiles he is more likely to play adrian griffin first. Plus with yi being even more stick like than hawes (thats right i said it) i dont know what good he can actually do.
Plus if you really want to be a yi fan, you probably want him on a team where he can play to his full pottential, not just a second string bench player, which he will be on the bulls.
Rather have hawes play off the bench. He would be needed off the bench in situation where jump shots werent working, and would be better against teams like pistons and new jersey, who have a weak front court.
Plus why would you be so weary about defense, when you would have ben wallace or tyrus thomas in with hawes.
As for hawes athleticism, where did you read that he is below average in athleticism?
Both yi and hawes will be projects in the nba. I rather take hawes, put him through some weight training, and be done with it, rather than take yi, see what he can actually do, teach him a post game, and give him weight training. I also dont know anything about yi and his work ethic, so who knows if he will be willing to learn a post game, but i know that hawes is a hard working, coaches son, who will definetly work hard to improve perhaps his greatest flaw, which is muscle.
I dont like you attacking hawes weakness' while not truly knowing what yi is capable of. And i hate the fact that we will once again get a great player that doesnt give us anything that we need. Whats the point? It would be nice having someone who can play the post that is not overweight and out of shape.
by piccolomair on May 29, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another way to look at it.
by bullshooter on May 29, 2007 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace's
by piccolomair on May 30, 2007 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
take the minutes of sweets allan and brown
by milesgmsu on May 28, 2007 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further explaination
We have quite a few players coming off he books the new players rookies, free agents ect will get the time. Skiles plays the guys that produce. So it will really depend on how well the new guys coming in play within Skiles' system.
by Rankdog on May 29, 2007 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picking the better athlete
Hawes skill is nba ready, its just his physique that seems lacking, who knows what yi can do in the nba. He might be the next dirk, but how much is that saying really? Do we really need another jump shooter? A guy in the post who can score, That is what the bulls really need, not a guy who plays like luol deng but is 3 inches taller.
by piccolomair on May 29, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Decent college "career"?
by eddiew23 on May 26, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They cannot
by sue369 on May 24, 2007 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Portland take Wallace?
BTW Portland is in some serious financial turmoil right now and it makes you wonder how they will be able to afford Durant or Oden in year 3, let alone Roy in 2.
by DannyRange on May 24, 2007 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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