Today was a good day

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2007 11:48 PM CDT in News

Bulls win. Knicks lose.

Charlotte, Philly, Sacramento win, all now have 32 wins like the Knicks. Where the Knicks were once hovering around the 10th or 11th worst record, it's possible that they'll fall below those teams and maybe even Seattle or Portland (31 wins each) to get to 5th worst. The way they looked tonight, it's possible.

The Bulls completely destroyed them from the outset, holding the Knicks to a first quarter with 10 points and 10 turnovers. I'm sure there's plenty of great stats like that (Eddy Curry: 4 points), and even I quit watching halfway through the third when the Bulls stole inbounds passes on consecutive possessions and stretched the lead in the 30s.

To be fair, the Knicks weren't that bad of a team this season, but all the injuries they've suffered mean you get a lot of Mardy Collins, Nate Robinson, and Malik Rose, which isn't good for business. They can't even rally around eachother and play for the coach's job, since Isiah already got a contract extension after being in the 8th playoff spot for a day.

(I wonder if we'll be reading these types of columns again anytime soon?)

Rooting against the Knicks has been a really fun side story this season. Normally to get a lottery pick you have to get into the whole 'tanking' business, and then ethical debates over tanking and rooting for losses, and it's just awful and boring. Rooting against a different team with your team's pick is rare, and a lot more fun. I'm really going to miss it.

But it's just a feather in Pax's cap as we look to more important things, like keeping the #2 seed. Miami also lost today and seem firmly entrenched at #4, and as I've said before, the Bulls falling to #5 and facing them in the first round is a pretty shitty reward for a good season. So here's to avoiding it, and more blowouts of bad teams the rest of the way. Hell, while we're at hoping and wishing, why not pull for Jersey catching Washington for #6...

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Yes, a wonderful day

And a good way to take away some of the sting from the Toronto game.

This, in particular, made me smile.

Onward!

by paxson43 on Apr 10, 2007 11:58 PM CDT reply actions

That was nice!

Wayne-''This is what help side defense looks like.'' Ha!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 11, 2007 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions

Tyrus's head

Is at least 5" above curry's, and starts about 5 inches below. What a loaf of fat Curry is.

Watch your head, Tyrus!

by cubbybear on Apr 11, 2007 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions

That was a joke.

The Knicks are Disgusting I can't believe they won as many games as they did. Well I guess I can and I would just assume that they have hit the wall of reality that their season is a few weeks from over. The Bulls seemed light years ahead of the Knicks and they are.
I don't know Matt I kinda wana see the Bulls knock out last years champs. After all the Bulls would have home court this time around. It would be one of the best series to watch if your an all around NBA fan. But I still see your point if your just trying to get to the Finals the simplest way. Personaly I wana see the Bulls fuck up the Heat bad and never look back. Posey is in debt to Chicago.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 11, 2007 12:14 AM CDT reply actions

You can't compare the trade.

Thats stupid! First he had Heart issues which lowered his value and if you think about it Curry was # 4 overall and Blackman was 20th. Thomas # 4 which really was the Number 2 pick slot in last draft and this years pick which could be 10 or 1 depending on how the lottery balls bounce. His view on the trade is one sided and lacks real thought. Plus Curry's deal would have hindered the signing of Ben Wallace. Yeah he scored 43 points the other night but He looks like he has gained weight which can't be good for his ticker. This guy's bias and is nothing more than a NY dolt.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 11, 2007 12:33 AM CDT reply actions

oHhhhhh

Why was Fransis talkin smack with Tyrus at the end of the game? Anyone see it? Tyrus just stood there like what you gonna do? God I feel like I just typed my own dairy.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 11, 2007 2:13 AM CDT reply actions

I didn't see that

Francis has a history of picking fights that will never happen. I recall him elbowing, then cursing at Amare back when he was Steve Franchise of the Rockets.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions

Woah

I just read the beat article regarding the Knicks' Big Mac Debate Team. I'd hype it up on Ball Hype if I had an account.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions

Looks like someone just did

You've been "HYPED," Steve Francis.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions

Can't make them happy

They start a brawl when they are taking a beating at the hands of the Nuggets. Complain the starters are still in. Here we have our starters out, but the bench players are actually....PLAYING. I guess just standing around and watching would be their preference.

by bashuck on Apr 11, 2007 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions

It seems several Knicks thought the Bulls

were running up the score.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-070410bullsgamer,1,3367944.story? coll=cs-home-headlines

I thought this line was was funny.

"Riddled with injuries, they have lost 10 of 12 and showed more fight after the final buzzer than they did during a 25-turnover performance"

by boerwinkle on Apr 11, 2007 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions

I love reading the names of the peeved

Steve Francis, Nate Robinson, Jerome James...just a nice group of winners right there.

I'm glad I didn't watch the end of that game, seeing the Knicks try and start a fight with the Bulls rookies would've made me sick.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions

Skiles, sarcasm maestro

"From everything I hear, they're on the verge of being a great team, It ought to be a team we should be playing over and over again in the years to come. So something like this shouldn't fester or anything."

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions

That quote

is the epitome of Skiles sarcasm. I laughed so loud when I read that.

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions

Game was even better in person

The lack of effort on defense by Eddy further solidifies how good of a trade it was.

Let's really root for New Jersey tomorrow, because if they win, not only do they get closer to the #6 seed, they will have beaten Cleveland and given us some breathing room.

I love you Ben, you almost make me forget about...tacos.

by eddiew23 on Apr 11, 2007 6:46 AM CDT reply actions

Curry will always be a poor defender

Yeah, Curry still can't focus on defense after being in the league for six years. I couldn't stop laughing when eddie was guarding/looking at Deng, while Ben Wallace was dunking behind him. He's never going to learn.

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm loving it!!!

Four more Knick losses and this will be sweet.

Please beat the Knicks

by chgobr on Apr 11, 2007 6:58 AM CDT reply actions

Wednesday's Agenda/Wish List

So, let's see. Today both the Bulls and Cavs are off so we're looking at the other games.

First, we'd need a Minny win over Dallas as they currently have the same record as the Knicks at 32-45. Hmmm...doesn't seem likely, but maybe Dallas is finally ready to put it on cruise control. That would move the Knicks into sole possesion of the 9 spot.

Next, we'd need Sacramento to win in San Antonio, Portland to win at home vs. Houston, and Philly to win on the road in Boston.

Not looking too good, except for perhaps the Philly game.

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 11, 2007 7:56 AM CDT reply actions

you forgot

Seattle over PHX
the 'do over Det
Mil over Indy

by milesgmsu on Apr 11, 2007 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions

Here we go.........

Igudola isn't playing (back). Well, basically the entire philly team isn't playing. Can you say tank job???

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions

Draft watch

A few spins on the espn mock draft machine and I am getting Spencer Hawes most of the time, but in a few scenarios, I get Horford. I'd be excited about either of those guys.

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 8:53 AM CDT reply actions

I get the vibe

that most people here don't want Hawes.

Obama 2008 Obama 2012

by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions

I'd take him

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions

Be afraid

I'm officially terrified of Hawes. I don't want him.

There just such a terrible precedent for taking a player like Hawes in the Top 10. Name me one 7 foot white guy from this country who 5 guys later teams are saying "Good thing we grabbed him when we did!"

Hopefully someone else (paging Billy King!) will take him so Pax won't have to consider it.

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 11, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions

whoops

.....a white guy from this country who 5 YEARS later..."

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 11, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions

not much of a point

The draft is a crap shoot, and 7 footers are always a gamble.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions

My point is....

Hawes is either going to be the first of his kind in over 30 years or he's going to join the long, and not so distinguished list of un-athletic, white, big men who were lottery busts. Do I even need to provide a list?

The odds are way more stacked against him than most so it makes Hawes a much greater gamble - and one that likely won't be worth it. It's almost akin to the overweight PFs (Sweetney, Tractor Traylor, etc) or the sub 6-foot tweener SGs (Dee Brown, Dajuan Wagner, etc). These guys just don't turn into great pros. Sure there are exceptions - most notably Iverson & Walton - but those guys are HOF MVPs and certainly not the norm.

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 11, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions

I'd rather we

go for something a little more safe with the first pick and then either buy a late first round pick to take a risky big or use our first second round pick.

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by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions

I think we're stocked up

on 6'9" PF/SM brother's. I think we can afford to take the best 7 ft white guy (or even black guy) with legitimate low post skills. We don't need a defensive (which means no offensive ability, aka Hibbert) big man. I'd take any big man with low post skills. Hawes is that guy this in this year's draft. Or Horford if he is still available.

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Safe doesn't win you championships

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Let's take

McRoberts with our #1 pick then :)

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by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions

uh

Mark Eaton, Jack Sikma, Tom Chambers, Tom Gugliotta, Keith Van Horn, Brad Miller, Best GM Ever, and Rik Smits unavailable for comment. Not just because they're all really tall and can't be heard over the air traffic, they're easily forgotten due to the White Americans Suck sentiment. Strange, cuz most of these guys played when the NBA was tops too.

I'm not saying what's-his-name is any good, I'm just saying your reason sucks. An average to good big is tough to come by.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions

You're proving my point

First The Flying Dutchman doesn't count. The nickname kinda gives it away that he's not an American. Of course I'll concede McHale and Chambers. They were awesome. Sikma I never really saw play but he's got the numbers and the All Star appearances. KVH? No way. Googs? Please. Miller? Barely. Why not include Laitner or Raef Lafrenz as well? Will Purdue?

So, we're talking about 5 guys (Walton, Sikma, McHale, Chambers, and Miller) since 1977. THAT'S what I'm trying to say. How many have been picked in the lottery and been failures? I think it's a lot more than 5.

And I don't believe the White Americans Suck sentiment as my favorite player (he wears number 12 for the Bulls) happens to be one. If you read what I wrote, I'm saying that the odds are stacked against Hawes making it due to past results, so let's pass on him with a top 10 pick. Could he be # 6? Sure. But 7 foot white guys described as "not being a great athlete" have historically struggled to make it.

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 11, 2007 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions

You forgot Mark Eaton,

but after a look at your highly arbitrary good, white, American bigs that were drafted (Brad Miller went undrafted by the way) list, I'm not sure it matters. If you're basing the White American Bigs Suck theory on draft failures you should think about how many African American and international bigs have failed to be productive in the NBA. A whole lot more. Should I believe Yi has a 50/50 shot of being good because China is 1 for 2 on NBA bigs? Lay off the blanket statements and stereotypes, and I'll stop rewriting Rik Smits' biography. And yeesh, you didn't know about Sikma?

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions

what's your point

Isn't this like saying there aren't many good black NHL players. Well think about it, your choosing from a small pool. The league is less than 10% white.

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions

The master of speech,

Bill Walton. But I think he was 6'10'' or 6'11'', not quite reading the 7-foot mark.

Once, when having sex in a tractor trailer, some of Andre the Giants' sperm got into the engine. We now know that tractor as Optimus Prime.

by NittanyBull on Apr 11, 2007 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions

Whoops, meant reaching*

Once, when having sex in a tractor trailer, some of Andre the Giants' sperm got into the engine. We now know that tractor as Optimus Prime.

by NittanyBull on Apr 11, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions

He did that

apparently because he didn't want to be listed at 7'. Didn't ever want to be considered a seven footer, i think.

Watch your head, Tyrus!

by cubbybear on Apr 11, 2007 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions

bill walton?

unless you wanna say hes not form this country...

KVH wasnt bad back in the day

by milesgmsu on Apr 11, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, are hear ya.....

I was listening to AM 1000 this morning. Why was Michael Wilbon high on Nick Fazekas???

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions

The Knicks' reaction to McDon Contra proves

that they are nothing more than a bunch of whiney little biotches.

Why is Jerome James talking trash to anyone?

Hey man, I don't mean to point out the obvious, but you're Jerome James. Shut the ** up.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 11, 2007 9:53 AM CDT reply actions

I think Jerome James

was pissed he didn't get the free Toxic Sandwich. Zing!

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions

Toxic Sandwich

hahahaha

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 11, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions

he was just asking the Bulls in the tunnel

how he could get a free big mac too.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions

Speaking of James...

...My friend and I thought one of the many highlights of last night was Jerome James sitting on the bench ICING HIS KNEES! He didn't even sniff the floor. Yet, during the 2nd quarter and the entire 2nd half, both his knees were iced up.

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 11, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions

JJ

played in 37 games this year. Look at the photos in his gallery. He is getting punk'd by LeBron. link

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions

Duhon wanted a sandwhich

Said Duhon, with a smile: "I don't cook, so I wanted one myself. We certainly didn't mean any disrespect."

by SRQman on Apr 11, 2007 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Ha he is such a Dukey!

He sounds like a Lawyer.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 11, 2007 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions

two things

a. how does Du not cook...hes cajun
B. duhon is ripped....medoubts he eats the proccessed food

by milesgmsu on Apr 11, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Du is ripped?? What Du are you talking about?

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions

when he got ejected form that game

he threw out his jersey and he was ripped if i remember it right

by milesgmsu on Apr 12, 2007 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions

In honor of

the Bulls having a top 8 pick as of now, I give you my top 8 wish list

Kevin Durant
Greg Oden
Brandon Wright
Spencer Hawes
Yi Jianlian
Al Horford
Roy Hibbert
Joakim Noah

AIM screen name : Option27

by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 11:04 AM CDT reply actions

In defense of my love for Yi

Here is a quote from a recent chat on espn.com

Drew (FL): David, the Knicks late season spiral is pushing the Bulls lottery pick up higher and higher. If the Bulls got into the top 5 with some luck, who do you think would be the best fit outside of Durant and Oden, would Big Al Horford fill the post presence they're looking for immediately? Would they be better off moving the pick, Tyrus, and Nocioni say for KG?

SportsNation David Thorpe: (12:08 PM ET ) I think it's scary to trade TT-he could end up as a perennial All-Star. The Chinese kid could be the ticket in Chicago.

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions

Unless Noc gets a huge ass raise,

the only way we can land KG is by sending Hinrich to Minny.

Obama 2008 Obama 2012

by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions

I really have a feeling

that the Bulls are gonna stand pat and keep all their guys. Pax made sure the contracts for Hinrich and Wallace decrease instead if increasing so they have the better leeway in signing all core guys to extensions. The lottery pick is here to stay in my opinion.

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions

I think so too

unless Pax gets a really good offer.

I just hope Noc comes cheap.

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by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions

Same for Gordon and Deng,

hopefully they'd go for Hinrichesque deals.

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by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions

According to Pete Myers (Slam Article) . .

This team just loves each other to death. I think they'll go for the same kind of contracts just to stay together.

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions

wishful thinking

they'll follow the money, which isn't a bad thing, just the way it goes.

According to Sam (not sure how often he's in the locker room), this team is more business-like and distant toward eachother than the pallin'-around Pistons. (Which I don't mind either, btw)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions

so you're saying

you don't see the core staying together?

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions

no

I think they will because if they don't sign extensions now they're still all 2 full seasons from unrestricted free agency.

I'm just saying I don't expect any major discounts, and I don't think anybody else should either based on their percieved 'character'. Hopefully the Bulls pay Deng and Gordon a ton of money, since that'll likely mean they think they're that good.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions

After seeing Sam

several times on CTL I don't believe a lot that he says. He comes across as clown on that show.

Watching Zach Johnson beat Tiger Woods was a thing of beauty.

by sue369 on Apr 11, 2007 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions

If we paid attention to Sam

..The Bulls would have traded for Shareef Abdul Raheem approximately 248 times over the past 6 seasons.

If Pax shows The Core the cash, it'll be difficult for them to leave.

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 11, 2007 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions

Is Sam Smith Isiah Thomas or visa versa

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Unless Gordon and Deng

are greedy bastards, seems like they'd be happy with Hinrich's 5x47.5 deal.

Noc seems to be a big question mark though. Not sure how much he wants.

Obama 2008 Obama 2012

by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions

exactly my thought!

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Hinrich wasn't all that happy with it

He took it more for the security than anything else. If everybody covets Deng, Deng is going to use that as leverage to get more money, and he should. I wouldn't be shocked if Gordon signs for that much though.

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Deng

seems like one of the good guys of the game. It wouldn't surprise me if he took Hinrich type money

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions

I would be surprised.

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions

No

Being a 'good guy' (who says Ben Gordon isn't?) has nothing to do with a contract. Deng and Gordon deserve fair contracts, and they should and will negotiate for the highest dollar amount they can get. Hinrich money is probably a pay cut for Deng, and maybe Gordon too.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions

So everyone here

thinks the core will break?

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions

No one here has any idea

It seems to me that after talking about "the Core" for the last 3 years, the organization will do their best to keep as many of the guys as they can.

How will it work out? No clue.

B-jizzle my dribble!

by preverbal on Apr 11, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions

all in all

how about that seeding?!

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Maybe Noc is the odd man out

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by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions

I was under the assumption

that 'the core' didn't include Noc anyway.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh

Noc is HARDCORE

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by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions

You didn't need to fan that flame

Because I don't like to be told how I like him because he's a real blue collar guy. You do bring up a point about the "core," which is perceived quite differently among the commentors here.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Just tweaks

No, but Noc might be the odd man out. In my opinion, Kirk might be also in the not too distant future. The core to me is Gordon, Deng, Tyrus, Thabo, 2007 draft pick. Draft Gods > please make it Oden or Durant.

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions

what?

Not possible. Deng will be getting a lot more. Deng's a great guy, but he's also not dumb. If he took Kirk money, remove not from the previous sentence.

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions

gordon isnt worth hinrich money

gordons a shooter....you can pick those up much mor easily than a top tier PG....

the thing that makes me feel confident is that there are not going to be teams with money to chase after deng and gordon....they're mostly set...we're looking at orlando, atlanta (but they wont be going after either and they have th eowner problem) and charlotte

by milesgmsu on Apr 11, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree

I don't think Gordon is worth more money than Hinrich. But I think Deng is.

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Name a 'shooter' like Gordon who's available.

Gordon is a special scorer. I'm part of the converted now.

I wouldn't even take available (for a huge price) guys like Pierce or Carter over him now.

anyway, didn't we already have this discussion multiple times, fretting over who will be re-signed? The Bulls control these guys rights, they're not unrestricted FAs.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Kendall Clark

or whatveer his name was at St. Peters last year

Bottom line; shooters are a dime a dozen. A valuable smart hard working fairly accuarte leader who plays amazing defense and just happens to be a PG is worth alot more than a guy who can shoot...and i love bg

by milesgmsu on Apr 11, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions

What?

Ben Gordon isn't an average shooter, or "a dime a dozen." Considering he's right up there with Ray Allen scoring-wise, I'd describe him as one of the top shooters in the NBA (and there aren't many).

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Pretty sure everybody thinks highly of Gordon

But he isn't the second coming. There are holes in his game, like a lot of guys. If Hinrich set the market price for Bull's guards, then I don't expect Gordon to get more because in the Bull's system, Gordon isn't more valuable than Hinrich. Gordon might be more valuable to other teams, in which case he might be better off to wait it out and try to sign an offer sheet with another team.

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions

'Bulls system'

right now that system is kindof light on the scoring. So I think that makes Gordon pretty important. And he's still young enough where you can accept some 'flaws' for the time being, right?

I don't want to make this into an either/or scenario because the truth is that they need everybody and will likely resign everybody.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions

GORDON is MORE valuable than Kirk

Nobody said Gordon is the second coming. Value wise, B.G. is more valuable. Kirk always seems to choke under pressure. And Kirk is not the second coming of Jason Kidd. He's not even a true point guard, he's a combo guard.

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions

but he said 'bottom line'

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions

whoops

I guess comparing Ben Gordon's PTS/40 and TS% to Ray Allen (almost identical numbers by the way) is pointless because who needs a shooter anyway? Trade Gordon for Piatkowski.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions

couple things

one pike was a shooter back in the day

two i still havnt seen anyone refute my point that kirk is more valuable and deng is more valuable

finally; ill rescind my statement. Shooters aren't a dime a dozen. However, it is easier to find great scorers and great shooters (just a quick scan of the teams in the atlantic we got crawford, marbury, Q, PP, Wally, kyle korver, carter, kidd, jefferson, every foreign player on the raptors)...these are all guys that shoot well or score well...but how many amazing PGs are there in that divison...1 Kidd

by milesgmsu on Apr 11, 2007 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions

based on those names

you have a very loose definition of 'great'.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions

i didnt say great player

but Korver is an aamzing shooter....marbury did/would avg 20ppg...which is still pretty great in any league....bnot great players but scorers/shooters who are more or less the same mold as gordon...would i rather have gorodn...of course...but if it came down to kirk or gordon i think the chocie is pretty obvious

by milesgmsu on Apr 12, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions

even your ass is getting tired

of you talking out of it.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 12, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions

HAhahaha!!

Get with it!

by Goostafer on Apr 12, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions

was this the thred line about the marion trade

or whom to sign? I've forgotten...

pax jax let's hear your side....who is more importnat to the long term health of the team...pax or gordon....

by milesgmsu on Apr 12, 2007 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions

What?

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 12, 2007 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Um...

comparing Gordon to Jason Kidd, Kyle Korver and Stephon Marbury (among others) makes your whole point meaningless.

Kidd is a better offensive player, but not as good of a shooter/driver/scorer as Gordon.

Korver is a stand-still shooter. If you think this is a jump-shooting team now...

Marbury is selfish and wouldn't allow Kirk, Tyrus or Deng to ever be center stage. (biased, unsubstantiated argument alert!)

And if all those guys are as good of scorers as Gordon, why is only one ahead of him in scoring average despite all being older?

And the only one that is, Carter... is going to get a bigger contract than Gordon, thus further making your point meaningless.

by tyger1147 on Apr 11, 2007 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Umm, just did.......

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions

LOUD NOISES!!!

... Brick Tamland style.

I just wanted to post a comment here because I want to see how compacted the post gets against the RHS of the page. That is all.

by paxson43 on Apr 11, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Seriously

Is this on like five lines?

This reminds me of that episode where kramer drives the test drive car to near empty. It's exhilirating!

Watch your head, Tyrus!

by cubbybear on Apr 11, 2007 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Yep

It's hard to find a Guard who shoots a high %. Those are not a dime a dozen.

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Disagree once again

Kirk's defense is highly overated. Taking a charge every other play is not considered great defense. And this isn't his fault, but since he is only 6'2", taller guards are able to post him up all day. Hard working?? Has Captain Kirk gained a single pound of muscle since he's been in the league??? How many times has Kirk missed key free throws down the stretch?? Kirk is not a pure point guard, I would call him more of a combo/guard.

Gordon is a special player who seems to heat up when it counts most. He's not just a shooter. He's able to use his quickness and lateral movement to get to the basket with ease. And B.G. is not a guy who is just throwing shots up. Allen Iverson anyone? His shooting % for a guard is around 46/47%, which is in the top tier for guards. Ben wants to take that big shot, I'm not so sure about Kirk in those situations.

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Ugh...

Why must you bash Kirk to prove how good Gordon is? You can easily show your point without attempting to put down Hinrich.

I don't think his defense is overrated. I think it's underrated. I don't know if I've ever seen someone "post him up all day." I've seen Gordon miss plenty of shots down the stretch, too. I don't think Hinrich takes as many because he's the third scoring option on the team.

I'm seriously confused as to what a "pure point guard" is, what a "combo guard" is, what a "shooting guard" is. These are all terms that I have no idea about anymore.

by tyger1147 on Apr 11, 2007 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Since when does

not gaining muscle determine how much of a hard worker you are?

Get with it!

by Goostafer on Apr 11, 2007 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions

I think you answered your question

Gordon isn't available either.

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions

completely agree

I think in the not too distant future, we're going to see Kirk in a different uniform. This isn't to say Kirk is a bad player. I just think a Thabo/Gordon backcourt would be more dynamic. That undersized backcourt is getting old.

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Who is

going to be the point guard? It certainly isn't Gordon. He should never be allowed to dribble the ball. You have been singing Gordons' praises on this thread tonight. There is more to playing basketball than just shooting.

Why do you think BG gets taken out of the game so much? Stupid fouls and turnovers and he can't play defense.

If you don't think Kirk doesn't play great defense then you haven't watched many Bulls games.

Watching Zach Johnson beat Tiger Woods was a thing of beauty.

by sue369 on Apr 11, 2007 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Just let GW's thread storm pass

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions

I know.

I should have.

Watching Zach Johnson beat Tiger Woods was a thing of beauty.

by sue369 on Apr 11, 2007 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions

It's really hard

But there is no arguing with somebody who is that out of touch.

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Disagree

Gordon is a special player who is able to get his shot off anywhere on anyone. He's a money player. Kirk to me is highly overhyped. He's solid, don't get me wrong, but a top-tier point guard?? Are you kidding me?

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions

The Bull won't be able to sign Noc

you're kidding yourself if you think Gordon & Deng will be getting Kirk money. They will be getting at least 10 to 15 million more.

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions

sam smith is an integral part of chicago basketbal

but im going to go with Slam over sam anyday

by milesgmsu on Apr 11, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Couple paragraphs from the SLAM article

Myers. Originally drafted by the Bulls in '89, the hard-nosed guard re-joined them in '94, the United Center's first season, replacing some guy who wore No. 23. A defensive minded presence who looks more like a retired boxer than an NBA player, Myers would fit in perfectly on the current Bulls. Unsurprisingly then, he likes what he sees.

"Those guys, I'm talkin' about our core guys, they really enjoy one another," he says. "There's no bickerin' about who the best player is, or who's the leading scorer-right now, to me, Ben Gordon and Luol Deng are havin' the best years in terms of the Bulls. But it's not takin' anything away from Kirk and Nocioni. You know? Hey, trust me, nowadays you need three of four guys when you're talkin' about winning. You need a team to win. I don't think you can actually go out and win with just two-or one-main guys anymore"

AIM screen name : Option27

by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions

link?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions

couldnt find the article online

I just typed out what I read in the new issue I have here at work

AIM screen name : Option27

by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions

god i love our guys

by milesgmsu on Apr 11, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Here's the problem

Gordon & Deng will be getting at least $55 - $60 million

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Noc will be getting between $30 - $40 million

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions

I do not want old ass KG.

If we trade Tyrus for old ass KG, my season tickets are not going to be renewed.

Or maybe I'll renew them, but I'll burn a couple in protest.

Or maybe I'll renew them, not burn them, but attend fewer games.

Or maybe I'll renew them, not burn them, attend all the games, but buy fewer Cokes and nachos. Yeah, that'll teach 'em.

Point being, KG is NOT the road to a championship. I do not want him. He is old. And Tyrus makes the Bulls fun to watch.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 11, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions

You really pay for

wicked overpriced pop at games?

Obama 2008 Obama 2012

by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 11, 2007 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions

Isnt 30

the new 20

by Sambossanova on Apr 11, 2007 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm right with you.

KG = The "BIG TICKET" to nowhere......

by GranvilleWaiters on Apr 11, 2007 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions

That

$50 is going to hit Pax where it counts.

Watch your head, Tyrus!

by cubbybear on Apr 11, 2007 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Hmmmmm

Pete Myers or Sam Smith? Well I think they are pretty close they all live in the same Neighborhood right?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 11, 2007 12:58 PM CDT reply actions

Funny quotes at "Posting and Toasting"

"Speaking of Isiah and the trade, MSG showed a bit of him answering questions about the deal. As he often does, Zeke sounded kinda like a cross between homicidal maniac and a Furby, gazing off into space and babbling about Curry always being "the biggest guy out there" between painfully long pauses."

"I can't think of a single other person named Ben in the NBA (there used to be Ben Davis), yet the Bulls have Gordon and Wallace. And their mascot's named Benny Da Bull. Fucking conspiracy is what it is."

TrueHoop linked to this site...
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/story/2007/4/10/23823/8057

I'm still laughing over the Furby quote. There is also a pic of Little Ben doing his best Big Ben impersonation.

by neander on Apr 11, 2007 6:40 PM CDT reply actions

We saw that

interview on NBALP last night. I didn't now he stuttered. ;-)

Watching Zach Johnson beat Tiger Woods was a thing of beauty.

by sue369 on Apr 11, 2007 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Much as I love Blogabull

Post and Toast has a really terrific site too.

by Freethefro on Apr 12, 2007 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Washington loses again!

God, I almost feel bad for them. They've been in every game since Arenas and Butler went down, but they just don't have the guns to finish games off. I don't feel badly enough that I don't want to face Washington in the 1st round, mind you, but I do have at least a little sympathy for them.

by Big D on Apr 11, 2007 8:54 PM CDT reply actions

Phili loses again

Im hopin Sac can pull out the vic over SA now. Minnesota is about to lose

AIM screen name : Option27

by Option27 on Apr 11, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions

Are you looking at baseball scores?

Philly won.

by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2007 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Talk about some good defense.

PHI 5-2 NY

Watch your head, Tyrus!

by cubbybear on Apr 12, 2007 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions

my bad, I was meant to say won.

AIM screen name : Option27

by Option27 on Apr 12, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions

Gordon and Deng

I think Gordon and Deng will be setting their respective values in the playoffs. If, for example, Gordon shows up big and gets this team to the Eastern Finals, he's going to get a huge contract. The playoffs are going to decide their value.

by nas on Apr 11, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions

Agreed

My prediction is Deng takes over with Hinrich, and Tyrus provides some outstanding plays to give us sparks.

Watch your head, Tyrus!

by cubbybear on Apr 11, 2007 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions

This article

talks about Deng and his new contract that they will start working on this summer. They are talking 5 years - 60 million. Deng wants to stay a Bull. Hope it all works out that he can stay a Bull.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk:80/tol/sport/more_sport/article1647507.ece

Watching Zach Johnson beat Tiger Woods was a thing of beauty.

by sue369 on Apr 13, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions

that wouldn't be exorbitant

and sounds downright cap friendly.

by bullshooter on Apr 13, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions

I log on to see 40 new comments

and it seems like thirty of them are from "granville waiters." Now I am really sick of my screen name. Matt, is there any way you can release my email address from this bad idea jeans worthy name? (I tried before, but the program said I can't use two names for the same email address).

Anyway, this Knick's implosion is boggling my mind. I'd lost interest because they didn't suck for awhile. But I am glad that they are commically bad again, and that the best you can say about them is that Ben Wallace is endorsing the Starbury's.

GWKD

by GWKD on Apr 12, 2007 10:18 AM CDT reply actions

I thought I was depressed...

...because I hated myself. But really, it's because of all the shitty fucking writing on the Internet these days. What the flying-fuck-o-rama? How do people NOT proofread their own shit? How do they NOT use a spell-checker? My God. I was thinking two nights ago why I didn't visit more sports 'blogs. I realized today that I should probably visit less. Holy fucking shit.

by tyger1147 on Apr 12, 2007 1:56 PM CDT reply actions

Why don't you take 5 and get a drink or something?

Get with it!

by Goostafer on Apr 12, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions

It's "Internets"

Never gets old.....

Obama 2008 Obama 2012

by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Apr 12, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions

I think this is hilarious.

"The fallout of the Burger War between the Knicks and Bulls Tuesday night reached as high as David Stern's office, and Wednesday the NBA commissioner said the Bulls did nothing wrong in trying to hit 100 points so their fans can win free Big Macs from McDonald's."
-- Newsday

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 12, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply actions

The fact that Steve Francis started to bitch

gives me joy beyond comparison. This is the man who cried out in public after the Bulls didn't select him 1st overall, and swore that he'd make the Bulls "pay." If by "pay," he meant "dodging a bullet," then yes, he has made the Bulls pay dearly.

Oh, and he's the one who played with the triple-double monster, Bob Sura.

Steve Francis, I hate you.

Once, when having sex in a tractor trailer, some of Andre the Giants' sperm got into the engine. We now know that tractor as Optimus Prime.

by NittanyBull on Apr 12, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions