Paxon's big mistake with Boylan
Jim Boylan and Pete Myers had all bought into Scott Skiles' way of running the Chicago Bulls, and if Jim Paxon thought that Boylan would be different, he's naive.
What is shocking is their contempt for Paxon's view that young players like Joakim Noah and Tyrus Thomas be handled differently. The situation with Noah is the most alarming. Myers, who I never considered had a brain, was willing to give Noah next to no minutes when he took the reins of coach. Boylan took it another step when in last night's game against the Milwaukee Bucks he gave Noah no floor time. I'm surprised that no member of the Chicago media found it important to ask Boylan his reason for hitting Noah with a DNP.
This behavior by the Bulls coaching staff can only have damaging effects on young players like Noah and Thomas. This habit of giving Thomas short stints and a quick hook must be eating away at this young player's already fragile psyche. It's a damaging strategy that has effectively been employed by Skiles.
What disgusts me is that Boylan will attempt to make up for the slight by giving Noah some significant playing time when the Bulls meet the New York Knicks in New York tomorrow (Sunday). Nice way to play tug-o-war with a young player's emotions. Boylan might be secretly hoping that Noah will be so pumped up and bent on making a good showing before his New York fans that he might try too hard and and not have a good game, giving them a good excuse to pull the plug early.
Boylan is nothing more than a journeyman assistant with no philosophy or ideas of his own. Paxon should have fired the entire staff and brought in a new coach with his own staff.
To think that we have to put up with this Skiles clone and his other acolytes for the rest of the season is highly disturbing.
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things like "jim paxon"
by hscs on Dec 29, 2007 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
JOHN PAXSON
talk about "high disturbing" ... what a fucking joke, seriously
by Orange Juice on Dec 30, 2007 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i can't even misspell paxson
by Orange Juice on Dec 30, 2007 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Childish
by SlamDunk on Dec 30, 2007 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the highest point in Illinois is a gentle hill
Misspelling a name is one thing. Repeatedly referring to the wrong name, even in your responses to comments, is another. Maybe you're doing it to be annoying I don't know.
I wouldn't go so far as calling this diary "uninformed garbage" as someone else did, maybe "verbose leftovers".
by Orange Juice on Dec 31, 2007 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how about
by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know how to spell, Dork?
by EdNealy on Dec 30, 2007 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by Incognito on Dec 29, 2007 5:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's just one game
I also thought this line from a K.C. article was interesting:
Just goes to show there's more going on behind the scenes that are informing Boylan's (and before, Skiles's) PT allocations than us fans know about.
by paxson43 on Dec 29, 2007 5:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
I'm willing to give Boylan a chance to see if he can turn this around. How do we know that John Paxson didn't try to get someone not associated with the Bulls?
by sue369 on Dec 29, 2007 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tardiness
When I want honest opinions on the Bulls, I turn to this blog, not K C Johnson or Sam Smith who are always silent when real questions are required to be asked of Skiles and company. What the hell does KC Johnson mean by "occasional lack of focus"? This is just another shady use of phrases to try and cover up for his friends.
by SlamDunk on Dec 29, 2007 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was not just
by sue369 on Dec 29, 2007 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Started just after the draft
by paxson43 on Dec 29, 2007 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
by SlamDunk on Dec 29, 2007 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry if
I don't know Noah personally like you must so I have no idea how mature he is. Hopefully he's mature enough to now know how to set an alarm clock.
by sue369 on Dec 29, 2007 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Facts
by SlamDunk on Dec 30, 2007 1:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunk
by bullshooter on Dec 30, 2007 7:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to judge his rotations based on one
I wouldn't use Gray on Monday against Dwight Howard, though.
by Big D on Dec 29, 2007 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nods
by cranscape on Dec 30, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both Paxson and Boylan were quoted as saying
by alec on Dec 29, 2007 6:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Paxson and Boylan
We're in damage control mode and will sacifice long term benefits for short term goals (save the GM's job and make the bad contracts look less damaging) Kirk, Noc and Wallace will get many minutes, and Deng and Gordon will put the majority of the points on the board.
A challenge with this strategy is presently Boylan with Skiles's slow motion offense doesn't have the fortitude under theses circumstances to rotate theses young guys into the rotation (i.e against the Bucks) and win games.
Boylan is doing the same thing as his mentor.
This accountability thing is another one of Paxson's overly stressed boneheaded rules (similiar to headbands). I'm not discounting "accountability", but guys like Thomas and Noah have nothing to look forward too this season. It becomes a self-defeating "accountability" cycle for these young players when they sense that the organization really doesn't have their best interest in mind and they personally begin to measure themselves against their peers. "AI" of the Nuggets might have been wrong saying "its only practice" 25 times, but he also was making a point that has to be managed correctly by a professional organization in the NBA.
Also it appears Boylan will be more of a puppet to Paxson. This two headed approach's goals are to win games foremost, and then assess potential talent. Yet at this point in the season this plan appears to have conflicting strategies and the first will win out over the second.
Later, we can review Paxson and Boylan plan and determine it they together pulled it off and only spoiled the development but not also the confidence of Tyrus and Noah?
You guys think we see both Tyrus and Noah invited to play in All-star rookie/2nd year player game? If so, it'll be based on potential talent and it won't be based on playing time and their numbers..
by exult463 on Dec 29, 2007 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Think carefully about the incentives
Paxson has explicitly informed Boylan that this year is an audition, not only at the Bulls' franchise but throughout the League. Thus, if Boylan ever wants another head coaching gig (anywhere), it behooves him to win games. If he loses games to develop future talent, with no guarantee whatsoever that he will be present to reap the future rewards of that putuative development, he jeopardizes his career prospects.
Moreover, Boylan does have a duty to the other players on the team, and the fans, to play lineups which win games this season and maximize the team's chances of making the playoffs. (Also, winning games would seemingly maximize the trade value of the Core.)
Finally, despite Paxson's nebulous public statements about playing the youth, I don't know if he has the luxury of enduring a losing season either. Some reports indicated that Skiles was fired at the behest of Reinsdorf, who was anxious about the prospect of missing the playoffs. Paxson may actually be under pressure to make the playoffs this season.
All of the above indicates that Boylan is unlikely to play Tyrus and Noah for purely developmental purposes so long as there is a chance of making the playoffs. If the conservative rotation fails to get the Bulls back into contention over the next twenty games, he may then play the youth extensively. (Conversely, he could allot the young players more time if the Bulls can comfortably establish a playoff seeding.) Until then, he'll insert the young players for short stretches and only give them significant time where they are playing well in any particular game. That's the only way he can balance his short term goals and the long term developmental needs of the franchise.
So if Tyrus and Noah want to play extensive minutes, they'll first have to perform well in their limited stints. That hasn't happened over the last few games.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 29, 2007 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gray
by SlamDunk on Dec 30, 2007 1:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With Wallace's age, he needs some
My guess is that Gray moved ahead of Noah at center on the depth chart because he commits fewer turnovers and has some semblance of a post game.
Just speculation.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 30, 2007 1:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think that
by cranscape on Dec 30, 2007 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus and Noah...
Smith and Gray are great short-stretch, situational players because they likely won't cause any huge damage and might just provide a little positive. They are very steady. Noah and Thomas, on the other hand, are up and down type players. If you take them out after the "down" and don't play them the rest of the game, the team obviously doesn't get the "up" part.
For the Thomas haters, how many times has he played 25+ minutes in a game and had a below average game? The more the best players on the team play, the more the team wins. It's a simple causal relationship.
by tyger1147 on Dec 30, 2007 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
Even the scoring rate you want him at would put him as "good" of a scorer as the Top 100 at minimum--pretty high for a second-year "defensive/raw" player.
I know that you don't think he has to do it every time, but since he rarely gets big minutes (and the few times he has, he's produced well in all but one). If he averaged 25 minutes, 9 points and 6 rebounds, he'd be a Top 150 scorer and a Top 20 rebounder. Yeah, that's not bad. He's playing so terrible, though.
by tyger1147 on Dec 31, 2007 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the three great games you pointed to
by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point.
by tyger1147 on Dec 31, 2007 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and you're the guy
by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he just has to be better than
Play Thomas and they'll be better, at least. Or just do it to make me happy.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2007 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I say that?
by tyger1147 on Dec 31, 2007 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well then wtf is this?
If you're not implying that playing TT more leads directly to wins, then maybe you should clarify.
by bullshooter on Jan 1, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Learn the English language
Second, you wrote that I claimed it was a guaranteed win. I've never heard of a team going undefeated. Setting my claim up like that makes it easy to dismiss. Obviously, however, you don't understand the difference. Thus, stating my original claim as "bullshit" is ignorant. Tyrus Thomas makes this team better. Eventually, all you "doubters" will see that.
by tyger1147 on Jan 1, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What are we arguing then?
by bullshooter on Jan 2, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Accountability
With some other organizations it means a player is fined (some financial amount.. 10k) by the team across the board regardless, but not necessarily you'll miss significant playing time in games
Which is the more effective strategy?
Also, why would the organization leak these details (Noah and Tyrus) about the young guys being late?
Is this any different the Skiles being critical publically? Paxson handle your business.. privately!
I've heard it too many times, by other NBA players.. If you want to correct something, then hit the players in the pocket where they can feel it and it hurts...
by exult463 on Dec 29, 2007 8:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's all worth it
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2007 8:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know those words...
by Rick S on Dec 30, 2007 1:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another theory of conspiracy...
Insidious Boylan is dreaming to destroy Noahs' career in NBA!Wow...
by Azabullsfan on Dec 29, 2007 10:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boylan
by SlamDunk on Dec 29, 2007 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they have drafted him then???
by bleargh on Dec 30, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more interested in a win than minutes.
by chgobr on Dec 30, 2007 1:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
One game
by cubbybear on Dec 30, 2007 3:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Uninformed garbage.
Actually he's held head coaching jobs in both college and Europe. Also, he immediately had the Bulls start pushing the ball a lot more and it's shown some early results. It'll take awhile to institute any kind of serious team wide strategy changes.
by CrashDavis on Dec 30, 2007 4:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boylan
by SlamDunk on Jan 1, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's been posted here before
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 1, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's kinda one of those things
by CrashDavis on Jan 2, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's wait for a few games..
by bullsfaninbigapple on Dec 30, 2007 9:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The interesting thing about Boylan ...
The interesting thing about Boylan is that it looks like he's going 180 degrees away from Pax's wish to play some of the young players. After firing Skiles, Pax was on the radio talking about getting some PT for the young players, even integrating Sefolosha into the rotation (and Thabo has been AWFUL both this year and last).
To me, I see Boylan's decision to lean even heavier on the veterans as an "eff you, I'm going all-out to win games to help secure my next job" type of move. Think about it - his job for this year is as secure as anyone's - he's not getting fired. By maximizing his team's wins, going against the specific edict of his boss, he improves his chances on the job market this offseason.
by Jivas on Dec 31, 2007 3:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My own repeate
by piccolomair on Dec 31, 2007 3:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i spelled
by piccolomair on Dec 31, 2007 3:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Pax say
by sue369 on Dec 31, 2007 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What we do not know about why TT is not
by chgobr on Dec 31, 2007 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coach Pip doesn't feel that way!
by hscs on Dec 31, 2007 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most of us
I saw him practicing before the Bucks game at 4pm with shooting coaches so he is doing at least that, we don't know how he is at team practice, what TT's real attitude is in general, what the coach's real attitude is, what management is thinking, or what future trades might be dictating playing time. Too much we don't know to make any definitive judgment beyond the majority of us wanting him to get more playing time.
Personally, I think that he should be getting some of Noc's time because he's not done well with his minutes of late. I am troubled that he didn't come in for Noc when we were having such a rebounding deficiency, regardless of who had the lead. That troubles me more than anything else.
by cranscape on Dec 31, 2007 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus didn't come in for Noc
by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just get this out there
by UncTarheels23 on Dec 31, 2007 6:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Random thoughts
Because as far as I can tell, Skiles isn't a very different coach or personality than those guys. Is it largely just the support of their organizations that give those guys, and when the going got tough, our GM (possibly with his own job on the line) pulled the plug on him when other teams actually would have sent folks (other than the coach) packing?
I mean, as it became clear Skiles and the players had had it with each other, folks kept saying "well, you can't fire all the players" or "it's easier to replace the coach". I say why?
For people who think coaches are easily replaceable, I say for every Scott Skiles there are ten Pete Myers out there. Getting a guy who's even possibly a top level coach is not an easy thing to do.
For people who say players are hard to get rid of because of their guaranteed salaries, well, Skiles' salary is guaranteed too. The Bulls are now paying him to sit at home and chuckle at Tyrus Thomas' inability to get around a screen.
To set the tone, you don't have to get rid of every player or the coach, I'd think. In other work environments, pretty often if you tell one guy get lost, things will cheer up considerably without the prime malcontent.
Which is how it works with a guy like Sloan. Not that he's the best coach ever, but the Jazz get a whiny guy like Boozer or Kirilenko or Giricek, they tell them to suck it up or hit the fucking road. And they end up with guys who spend whole years being upset coming back and playing well.
All of that is not to say I think Skiles should have stayed. From what I can tell, at least, Popovich and Riley, at least, may have a key difference with him. They've managed to get total buy-in to them from important players (Duncan, Magic Johnson, etc) by displaying some leadership. Then again, maybe they just got better players to deal with. Or management that would stick it out with them. Just questions that are floating around in my head.
by Sports2 on Dec 31, 2007 7:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The difference is the team
by bullshooter on Jan 1, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is hard to argue that since the change we are
by chgobr on Jan 1, 2008 1:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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