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Paxon's big mistake with Boylan

Jim Boylan and Pete Myers had all bought into Scott Skiles' way of running the Chicago Bulls, and if Jim Paxon thought that Boylan would be different, he's naive.

What is shocking is their contempt for Paxon's view that young players like Joakim Noah and Tyrus Thomas be handled differently. The situation with Noah is the most alarming. Myers, who I never considered had a brain, was willing to give Noah next to no minutes when he took the reins of coach. Boylan took it another step when in last night's game against the Milwaukee Bucks he gave Noah no floor time. I'm surprised that no member of the Chicago media found it important to ask Boylan his reason for hitting Noah with a DNP.

This behavior by the Bulls coaching staff can only have damaging effects on young players like Noah and Thomas. This habit of giving Thomas short stints and a quick hook must be eating away at this young player's already fragile psyche. It's a damaging strategy that has effectively been employed by Skiles.

What disgusts me is that Boylan will attempt to make up for the slight by giving Noah some significant playing time when the Bulls meet the  New York Knicks in New York tomorrow (Sunday). Nice way to play tug-o-war with a young player's emotions. Boylan might be secretly hoping that Noah will be so pumped up and bent on making a good showing before his New York fans that he might try too hard and and not have a good game, giving them a good excuse to pull the plug early.

Boylan is nothing more than a journeyman assistant with no philosophy or ideas of his own. Paxon should have fired the entire staff and brought in a new coach with his own staff.
To think that we have to put up with this Skiles clone and his other acolytes for the rest of the season is highly disturbing.

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things like "jim paxon"
damage my fragile psyche.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Dec 29, 2007 5:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow
You really are more weak-minded than I ever thought.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Dec 29, 2007 5:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

JOHN PAXSON
this diary loses all credibility because this guy doesn't even know what our GM's name is and he's still calling him "paxson."

talk about "high disturbing" ... what a fucking joke, seriously

by Orange Juice on Dec 30, 2007 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i can't even misspell paxson
im sorry, anything you say has to be taken with more than a grain of salt because you refer to our GM as paxon"

by Orange Juice on Dec 30, 2007 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Childish
Can't respond like an adult, Orange Juice, so you make a mountain out of the misspelling of a name. By the way wordsmith, what is "high disturbing"? You obviously didn't spend much time working on your grammar in school.

by SlamDunk on Dec 30, 2007 7:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the highest point in Illinois is a gentle hill
I misquoted you, and I have no defense for that. But you have no defense for not knowing the name of the very person you are criticizing.

Misspelling a name is one thing. Repeatedly referring to the wrong name, even in your responses to comments, is another. Maybe you're doing it to be annoying I don't know.

I wouldn't go so far as calling this diary "uninformed garbage" as someone else did, maybe "verbose leftovers".

by Orange Juice on Dec 31, 2007 12:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how about
barstool pontification
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 12:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know how to spell, Dork?
Chill out.  Just a simple spelling mistake.

by EdNealy on Dec 30, 2007 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
How long are we going to have to wait for Boylan to implement his system, teach the nuances of his strategy and find the appropriate minutes for the players that he decides need to a part of his rotation. This can't go on much longer. "Jim Paxon" who ever the hell he is should fire him now.  

by Incognito on Dec 29, 2007 5:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's just one game
I'm all for playing the kids more and seeing which ones are keepers.  Still, I think it's too soon to conclude that Boylan is a "Skiles clone."  

I also thought this line from a K.C. article was interesting:
Joakim Noah needs a new watch. His habitual tardiness and occasional lack of focus is holding back an energetic player who, while limited offensively, could contribute more frequently.

Just goes to show there's more going on behind the scenes that are informing Boylan's (and before, Skiles's) PT allocations than us fans know about.

by paxson43 on Dec 29, 2007 5:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand
why some of them are late to scheduled events. I could see maybe once but more than that is ridiculous. How many of you would keep your jobs if you showed up late more than a few times? You are right that we don't know what's going on behind closed doors.

I'm willing to give Boylan a chance to see if he can turn this around. How do we know that John Paxson didn't try to get someone not associated with the Bulls?

Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Dec 29, 2007 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tardiness
Just another excuse for Scott Skiles' brutal handling of Noah. K C Johnson should tell the whole story innstead of finding excuses for Skiles. When this article was written he was referring to Noah and five other Bulls players making it late for practice because of traffic problems. He never said who the other five players were and what punishment they received.
When I want honest opinions on the Bulls, I turn to this blog, not K C Johnson or Sam Smith who are always silent when real questions are required to be asked of Skiles and company. What the hell does KC Johnson mean by "occasional lack of focus"? This is just another shady use of phrases to try and cover up for his friends.

by SlamDunk on Dec 29, 2007 8:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It was not just
being late for practice. Noah was late for a couple of appearances that the team had earlier in the season.
Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Dec 29, 2007 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Started just after the draft
Don't know if anyone recalls but Noah caused the post-draft player introductions to be pushed from a Friday to the next Monday because he didn't show up like he was supposed to.  It wouldn't be a huge stretch to guess that he just felt like partying in NYC over the weekend.

by paxson43 on Dec 29, 2007 11:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ridiculous
You and Sue sound like you've been consulting with K C Johnson on how to handle this issue. If that is all you can come up with, it sounds pathetic on your part. Stop speculating and talk about things you know for a fact. Noah "partying in New York City over the weekend" and causing the post-draft player intrductions to be pushed from a Friday to a Monday," are you kidding me? What next? How about telling us that you found out from a source that the reason he was late was because he was stinking drunk. This guy's head is set comfortably on his shoulders. He's as clean as they come and matured beyond his years. Get a life!

by SlamDunk on Dec 29, 2007 11:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry if
you can't accept facts. I have no idea whether Noah was partying or not but the player introductions postponment was because of Noah and is documented so go look it up. The late arrivals that I talked about can be looked up too.

I don't know Noah personally like you must so I have no idea how mature he is. Hopefully he's mature enough to now know how to set an alarm clock.

Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Dec 29, 2007 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Facts
Since you've been spending so much time documenting Noah's tardiness, you could start off by providing me with the link to those facts. We could start off with the one in which you know for a fact that Noah caused the player introduction postponement. You've got to be mature to set an alarm clock? How ridiculous can you get!

by SlamDunk on Dec 30, 2007 1:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dunk
what happened to getting honest opinions from people here on blogabull?  Sue isn't making this stuff up.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Dec 30, 2007 7:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Dec 30, 2007 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not going to judge his rotations based on one
game; especially a game the Bulls won.  Tyrus didn't play well in his brief stint, and the Bulls were down in the second half, so I can understand why Boylan didn't play him in the second half.  I would have liked to have seen Noah, but the Bucks are a good matchup for Gray, since they have two big slow centers (Bogut and Voshkul).

I wouldn't use Gray on Monday against Dwight Howard, though.

by Big D on Dec 29, 2007 6:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

nods
It was just one game and while he is tightening the rotation he also stated that no one was in the dog house which means that chances are he isn't arbitrarily benching people as punishment.  He is going to use the tools at hand.  We will have to watch a few more games to see how it all plays out.  Not just one game.

by cranscape on Dec 30, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Both Paxson and Boylan were quoted as saying
the immediate mandate is to win now with the big guys by restoring them to primary rotation status.  Boylan said he went around to the younger guys and explained to them that only if the ship continues to founder will plans change.  So what we had last night appears to be what we'll get, unless the veterans can't bail water fast enough.

by alec on Dec 29, 2007 6:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Paxson and Boylan
appear to be in savage mode this season to win as many games as possible to make the playoffs.  Therefore that means playing the veterans at Noah, Tyrus and Thabo's expense.  The Bulls don't appear to be going anywhere this season, but if they make the playoffs that seems to be the goal of John.  

We're in damage control mode and will sacifice long term benefits for short term goals (save the GM's job and make the bad contracts look less damaging)  Kirk, Noc and Wallace will get many minutes, and Deng and Gordon will put the majority of the points on the board.

A challenge with this strategy is presently Boylan with Skiles's slow motion offense doesn't have the fortitude under theses circumstances to rotate theses young guys into the rotation (i.e against the Bucks) and win games.

Boylan is doing the same thing as his mentor.  

This accountability thing is another one of Paxson's overly stressed boneheaded rules (similiar to headbands).  I'm not discounting "accountability", but guys like Thomas and Noah have nothing to look forward too this season.  It becomes a self-defeating "accountability" cycle for these young players when they sense that the organization really doesn't have their best interest in mind and they personally begin to measure themselves against their peers.  "AI" of the Nuggets might have been wrong saying "its only practice" 25 times, but he also was making a point that has to be managed correctly by a professional organization in the NBA.

Also it appears Boylan will be more of a puppet to Paxson. This two headed approach's goals are to win games foremost, and then assess potential talent.  Yet at this point in the season this plan appears to have conflicting strategies and the first will win out over the second.

Later, we can review Paxson and Boylan plan and determine it they together pulled it off and only spoiled the development but not also the confidence of Tyrus and Noah?

You guys think we see both Tyrus and Noah invited to play in All-star rookie/2nd year player game?  If so, it'll be based on potential talent and it won't be based on playing time and their numbers..

 

by exult463 on Dec 29, 2007 7:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gray
Where the hell does Gray figure in all this? What is the message here to players like Noah? They seem to be finding time for the goliath from Pittsburg. Does Paxon feel he should have taken him with the 9th pick? ridiculous!

by SlamDunk on Dec 29, 2007 8:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Paxon
Interesting take. The real crook here might well be Paxon. If so, this franchise is in deep trouble. Why talk about change and not really mean it?

by SlamDunk on Dec 29, 2007 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Think carefully about the incentives
and tangled skein of obligations facing Boylan as he embarks upon his first head coaching assignment.

Paxson has explicitly informed Boylan that this year is an audition, not only at the Bulls' franchise but throughout the League.  Thus, if Boylan ever wants another head coaching gig (anywhere), it behooves him to win games. If he loses games to develop future talent, with no guarantee whatsoever that he will be present to reap the future rewards of that putuative development, he jeopardizes his career prospects.

Moreover, Boylan does have a duty to the other players on the team, and the fans, to play lineups which win games this season and maximize the team's chances of making the playoffs. (Also, winning games would seemingly maximize the trade value of the Core.)

Finally, despite Paxson's nebulous public statements about playing the youth, I don't know if he has the luxury of enduring a losing season either. Some reports indicated that Skiles was fired at the behest of Reinsdorf, who was anxious about the prospect of missing the playoffs. Paxson may actually be under pressure to make the playoffs this season.

All of the above indicates that Boylan is unlikely to play Tyrus and Noah for purely developmental purposes so long as there is a chance of making the playoffs.  If the conservative rotation fails to get the Bulls back into contention over the next twenty games, he may then play the youth extensively. (Conversely, he could allot the young players more time if the Bulls can comfortably establish a playoff seeding.) Until then, he'll insert the young players for short stretches and only give them significant time where they are playing well in any particular game.  That's the only way he can balance his short term goals and the long term developmental needs of the franchise.

So if Tyrus and Noah want to play extensive minutes, they'll first have to perform well in their limited stints. That hasn't happened over the last few games.

"We goin' to the 'ship!" - LSU IS IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

by 1958ChiTown on Dec 29, 2007 11:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gray
I'm still trying to find out how Gray all of a sudden is guaranteed solid playing time every night the Bulls take the floor. At the same time Noah and Thomas get time depending on how Gray and the regulars play.

by SlamDunk on Dec 30, 2007 1:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With Wallace's age, he needs some
sort of respite during each game.

My guess is that Gray moved ahead of Noah at center on the depth chart because he commits fewer turnovers and has some semblance of a post game.

Just speculation.

"We goin' to the 'ship!" - LSU IS IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

by 1958ChiTown on Dec 30, 2007 1:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I still think that
Thomas should be getting Noc's minutes.  If you look at the last game Noc was the one most inefficient yet getting lots of playing time.  Don't think this is a Wallace/Gray issue at all.

by cranscape on Dec 30, 2007 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tyrus and Noah...
...are better than Smith and Gray. That's a fact. (Smith is playing the best ball of his career, so I don't expect it to hold up.) I don't know how people can't understand this. Gray and Smith appear to be smart players so they won't make the boneheaded plays that make Thomas and Noah look foolish, but they also won't make the spectacular plays that comes along with those two as well.

Smith and Gray are great short-stretch, situational players because they likely won't cause any huge damage and might just provide a little positive. They are very steady. Noah and Thomas, on the other hand, are up and down type players. If you take them out after the "down" and don't play them the rest of the game, the team obviously doesn't get the "up" part.

For the Thomas haters, how many times has he played 25+ minutes in a game and had a below average game? The more the best players on the team play, the more the team wins. It's a simple causal relationship.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Dec 30, 2007 11:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
I like Tyrus's game and I wish he played more, but he's more miss than hit.  This year he's had 10 games of 20 or more minutes.  He's only scored in double figures 4 times and only rebounded in double figures in 3.  The coaches aren't idiots and they aren't going to play him 25+ minutes if he isn't playing a great game.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 12:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ridiculous
20+ minutes and only "double figure" this and that? I don't do arbitrary "more numerals = great production" junk. By saying he should be getting double digit rebounds in 20 minutes, you're saying he should be the best rebounder in the league. Even if I'm generous and say he should get double-digits in 25 minutes, that still puts him behind only one player. Yeah, he's real bad because he's not the second best rebounder in the entire league! Oh!

Even the scoring rate you want him at would put him as "good" of a scorer as the Top 100 at minimum--pretty high for a second-year "defensive/raw" player.

I know that you don't think he has to do it every time, but since he rarely gets big minutes (and the few times he has, he's produced well in all but one). If he averaged 25 minutes, 9 points and 6 rebounds, he'd be a Top 150 scorer and a Top 20 rebounder. Yeah, that's not bad. He's playing so terrible, though.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Dec 31, 2007 12:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In the three great games you pointed to
he did play at a top 20 rebounding rate and scoring rate.  Unless Tyrus does all that in his last 5-10 minutes on the court, there is no reason to expect him to play that much if he isn't already giving that kind of performance.  So no, he shouldn't be out there that much, unless he is having a good game.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the point.
You're putting a ridiculous standard on him.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Dec 31, 2007 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and you're the guy
saying, "Just play TT more and the bulls are guaranteed to win..." which is bullshit.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he just has to be better than
Smith and Noc for the team to improve.

Play Thomas and they'll be better, at least. Or just do it to make me happy.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 31, 2007 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where did I say that?
Straw man arguments are wonderful, aren't they? Maybe I said play TT more and they'll win... And maybe I should have have said win more, but maybe I just assumed that any person with half a sense would understand that no one would say playing a second year guy more guarantees victories. I'm glad you pointed out the obvious for the retarded.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Dec 31, 2007 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well then wtf is this?
For the Thomas haters, how many times has he played 25+ minutes in a game and had a below average game? The more the best players on the team play, the more the team wins. It's a simple causal relationship.

If you're not implying that playing TT more leads directly to wins, then maybe you should clarify.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 1, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Learn the English language
First, I didn't imply anything. I explicitly stated that playing Thomas more means more wins.

Second, you wrote that I claimed it was a guaranteed win. I've never heard of a team going undefeated. Setting my claim up like that makes it easy to dismiss. Obviously, however, you don't understand the difference. Thus, stating my original claim as "bullshit" is ignorant. Tyrus Thomas makes this team better. Eventually, all you "doubters" will see that.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 1, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What are we arguing then?
I said you said essentially that playing TT more guarantees more wins.  You said that you said that playing TT more leads directly to more wins.  Ok maybe I said guarantees wins when I meant guarantees more wins.  I see know.  It's still bullshit.  Playing TT more doesn't lead to anything unless TT plays more consistently than he has been.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 2, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Accountability
With the Bulls a player 5 minutes late for practice still means you don't play in the next "x" games if you are certain players and you don't have a hugh contract on the books.  

With some other organizations it means a player is fined (some financial amount.. 10k) by the team across the board regardless, but not necessarily you'll miss significant playing time in games

Which is the more effective strategy?  

Also, why would the organization leak these details (Noah and Tyrus) about the young guys being late?
Is this any different the Skiles being critical publically?  Paxson handle your business.. privately!

I've heard it too many times, by other NBA players.. If you want to correct something, then hit the players in the pocket where they can feel it and it hurts...

by exult463 on Dec 29, 2007 8:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I know those words...
but that headline doesn't make any sense.  Was it written by a 5 year old?

by Rick S on Dec 30, 2007 1:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another theory of conspiracy...
"Boylan might be secretly hoping that Noah will be so pumped up and bent on making a good showing before his New York fans that he might try too hard and and not have a good game, giving them a good excuse to pull the plug early."-do you really think so?Do you?
Insidious Boylan is dreaming to destroy Noahs' career in NBA!Wow...
"RUN,TYRUS,RUN!!!"-Formerly Chicago Bulls coach S.Skiles

by Azabullsfan on Dec 29, 2007 10:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Boylan
Wake up, anything is possible with this insidious bunch.

by SlamDunk on Dec 29, 2007 11:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more interested in a win than minutes.
If we win tomorrow I will be happy.  We lose don't talk to me.

by chgobr on Dec 30, 2007 1:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

One game
Uh, it was one game.  The Boylan era has just begun.  Maybe there was enough fro on the floor.  We would've given a lot for a win, now let's get another!
"Fans never fall asleep at our games, because they're afraid they might get hit by a pass." -George Raveling

by cubbybear on Dec 30, 2007 3:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Uninformed garbage.
"Boylan is nothing more than a journeyman assistant with no philosophy or ideas of his own."

Actually he's held head coaching jobs in both college and Europe. Also, he immediately had the Bulls start pushing the ball a lot more and it's shown some early results. It'll take awhile to institute any kind of serious team wide strategy changes.

by CrashDavis on Dec 30, 2007 4:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Boylan
has "held head coaching jobs in both college and Europe." What jobs in college and Europe? List them for us please? Let's get his impressive coaching resume.

by SlamDunk on Jan 1, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's kinda one of those things
you should find out for yourself before you write about it. It's called researching your subject or something.

by CrashDavis on Jan 2, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's wait for a few games..
...to make judgments. I am a little disappointed that TT doesn't seem to figure in Boylan's plans,but at this point I would rather have that problem than losing. If we get crushed by Orlando and lose a few more, then we know this thing isn't really turned around.

by bullsfaninbigapple on Dec 30, 2007 9:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The interesting thing about Boylan ...
(Posted this elsewhere; now realize it belongs here).

The interesting thing about Boylan is that it looks like he's going 180 degrees away from Pax's wish to play some of the young players.  After firing Skiles, Pax was on the radio talking about getting some PT for the young players, even integrating Sefolosha into the rotation (and Thabo has been AWFUL both this year and last).

To me, I see Boylan's decision to lean even heavier on the veterans as an "eff you, I'm going all-out to win games to help secure my next job" type of move.  Think about it - his job for this year is as secure as anyone's - he's not getting fired.  By maximizing his team's wins, going against the specific edict of his boss, he improves his chances on the job market this offseason.

by Jivas on Dec 31, 2007 3:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

My own repeate
http://www.blogabull.com/comments/2007/12/30/191431/39/30?mode=alone;showrate=1#30
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Dec 31, 2007 3:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i spelled
Repeat wrong...sorry
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Dec 31, 2007 3:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Pax say
in his interview the day he made Boylan the interim head coach that he was going to have a say in which players would play? If he wanted TT in there he would be in there. I like TT and love to watch him play but there must be a reason that none of us know as to why he isn't getting playing time. Hopefully whatever it is they get it worked out soon.
Win, just win.

by sue369 on Dec 31, 2007 9:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What we do not know about why TT is not
playing is probably more important than what we know.

by chgobr on Dec 31, 2007 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think most of us
want TT to get more playing time.  The difference of opinion is why he isn't.  

I saw him practicing before the Bucks game at 4pm with shooting coaches so he is doing at least that, we don't know how he is at team practice, what TT's real attitude is in general, what the coach's real attitude is, what management is thinking, or what future trades might be dictating playing time.  Too much we don't know to make any definitive judgment beyond the majority of us wanting him to get more playing time.  

Personally, I think that he should be getting some of Noc's time because he's not done well with his minutes of late.  I am troubled that he didn't come in for Noc when we were having such a rebounding deficiency, regardless of who had the lead. That troubles me more than anything else.

by cranscape on Dec 31, 2007 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tyrus didn't come in for Noc
because for the most part, Noc was playing at the 3 instead of the 4 and Noc was out there ostensibly for his outside shooting.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Dec 31, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's just get this out there
dont call it the Boylan era! Please, for starters we are throwing that around pretty loose.

by UncTarheels23 on Dec 31, 2007 6:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Random thoughts
I wonder about Tim Duncan, Larry Miller and rings.  I wonder if that's what makes Skiles different from Gregg Popovich or Jerry Sloan or Pat Riley?  

Because as far as I can tell, Skiles isn't a very different coach or personality than those guys.  Is it largely just the support of their organizations that give those guys, and when the going got tough, our GM (possibly with his own job on the line) pulled the plug on him when other teams actually would have sent folks (other than the coach) packing?

I mean, as it became clear Skiles and the players had had it with each other, folks kept saying "well, you can't fire all the players" or "it's easier to replace the coach".  I say why?

For people who think coaches are easily replaceable, I say for every Scott Skiles there are ten Pete Myers out there.  Getting a guy who's even possibly a top level coach is not an easy thing to do.

For people who say players are hard to get rid of because of their guaranteed salaries, well, Skiles' salary is guaranteed too.  The Bulls are now paying him to sit at home and chuckle at Tyrus Thomas' inability to get around a screen.

To set the tone, you don't have to get rid of every player or the coach, I'd think.  In other work environments, pretty often if you tell one guy get lost, things will cheer up considerably without the prime malcontent.

Which is how it works with a guy like Sloan.  Not that he's the best coach ever, but the Jazz get a whiny guy like Boozer or Kirilenko or Giricek, they tell them to suck it up or hit the fucking road.  And they end up with guys who spend whole years being upset coming back and playing well.

All of that is not to say I think Skiles should have stayed.  From what I can tell, at least, Popovich and Riley, at least, may have a key difference with him.  They've managed to get total buy-in to them from important players (Duncan, Magic Johnson, etc) by displaying some leadership.  Then again, maybe they just got better players to deal with.  Or management that would stick it out with them.  Just questions that are floating around in my head.

by Sports2 on Dec 31, 2007 7:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The difference is the team
the bulls don't have one alpha-dog like the spurs do in Tim Duncan or the Bulls did in Jordan.  Deng, Kirk, and BG all think they are the shit.  Noc and Wallace do, too.  So a coach has to get all of those guys in line whereas Popovich only has to get Duncan going in the right direction.  Skiles got canned because Wallace gave up and BG didn't necessarily bring his A game, or Deng or Kirk early either.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 1, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is hard to argue that since the change we are
playing better.  I have not been happy with the lack of TT playing time, but this team is improved.  In some ways this is a win - win for Paxson.  If we continue to play well and make the playoffs, a big if, but if we do Paxson is a genius and hires him.  If we flounder, regress and do not make the playoffs Paxson is a genius for naming him only as an interim.  Paxson makes moves, gets a lottery pick and goes after the new coach.

by chgobr on Jan 1, 2008 1:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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