It is what it is, 0-4 against a very easy schedule. And it sucks.
Well, tonight's game was yet another loss. But while I thought they played much better overall, it only got them to the point where they've always been: susceptible to scoring droughts and lost leads. The most glaring time being the final 4 minutes of the game, where the Bulls made ZERO field goals. Just pathetic.
I was at the game, and at least they were productive (again, until the final 4 minutes) offensively, so it wasn't as much as an aesthetic downer as I'd imagine the Philly game was. Some random thoughts from my in-game grumbling and the help of the box score...
(nearly all 'good' thoughts do not include the final 4 minutes of the game)
- I thought Luol played very well, attacking the soft Clippers frontcourt, especially that slug Tim Thomas. Deng posted up and drew a double-team in his first possession, assisting a Tyrus dunk. For the most part he was attacking inside with drives and getting baby-hooks up before the defense could react.
- Gordon was again abused by some bad officiating, especially one play where he was clobbered and took a nasty fall. I was worried he would stop driving to the basket altogether, but he did get to the line 7 times. The big hang-up on 'consistency' from him isn't streak-shooting (which I find to be a misnomer altogether), it's getting points when the shot isn't falling. He needs to get his outside shooting back, but while that happens at least he's not giving up on drawing fouls.
- Overall the team did very well attacking the basket, getting the Clippers into the penalty and holding the game close when the Clippers were shooting out of their minds in the first half. The Bulls were once again cold from the outside (Gordon 4-18 from the field, team 2-9 from three), but at least they weren't settling for jumpers this game.
- Wallace was reportedly getting his minutes limited, and while he only received 27 minutes it sure felt like longer. Especially in the 2nd half (when the Clippers were actually missing shots) when the Bulls were losing several offensive rebounds while Wallace had cement in his shoes. He was a +5 for the game, and did have a nice block showing some of the old Ben, but now it's come to the point where I'm trying really really hard to cherry-pick his good plays to come up reasons for him to even play. It's getting beyond worrisome.
- Noah did not have weighted-down shoes, but he wasn't exactly good either in his pro debut, and certainly not smart with 2 horrible jumpers, shots that shouldn't have been taken at all. He also missed a couple layups, which makes him fit right in with the rest of the Bulls frontcourt. I thought that would be fixed this year.
- Hinrich was abused by Cuttino Mobley in the final few possessions. You could say it happened all game, but at least those were on jump shots. Near then end he'd just post up Kirk and make him look bad. Thabo did a better job, but was a complete offensive dud. I thought he was billed as the polished prospect coming out of the draft.
- I'll wait for the GameFlow to come up tomorrow for full analysis, but Duhon did have a +8 overall in 12 minutes, and was part of a very good lineup in the 2nd half that got the Bulls the lead. So hooray for that.
- And of course, as the fan I am, it'll come back to the coach (they're easier to question, naturally). Why did Tyrus Thomas only play 20 minutes, and sit the final 18 minutes of the game? What a complete joke. Thomas looked great wreaking havoc on the slow Clippers frontcourt, getting dunks, getting fouled, getting rebounds, and forcing turnovers. Even had 5 assists (2 while running the break), and he can't find a spot off the bench for the final 18 minutes. As the Bulls whole offense stagnated to shit in the final quarter, it would've been nice to see their best athlete get a chance to change the downward trend. But as we saw, with or without Thomas the Bulls core players put up complete zeros in the final stretch.
Like I said, this was a game that wasn't a complete disaster like before, but that almost makes it worse. Shots will eventually fall, they'll eventually get wins, and they'll eventually make the playoffs. But if they're not a top seed I consider this year a disappointment, and if the players (and coach for that matter) don't individually improve they're no closer as a squad to a title, which makes this whole regular season seem a meaningless exercise, whether they cobble together some wins or not.
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Thomas sat...
I'm fine with the TO and I could even (begrudingly) be okay with sitting him for a couple minutes as a "lesson." But to sit him the rest of the game was stubborn and stupid and, I think, cost us the game b/c it left Joe Smith absolutely gassed at crunchtime. I'm kinda pissed about it.
by BenGo07 on Nov 6, 2007 11:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Smith WAS gassed
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 7, 2007 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a real shame...
And don't worry about missing the Tyrus yank. It was probably easier to notice on TV. Of course, the three Comcast "experts" failed to mention it as well. I think they were busy at the time teasing Stacey about withholding the phone number of Red's bookie from him. I wish I was kidding.
by BenGo07 on Nov 7, 2007 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's time to hire people
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
disappointing
still, I kinda wished the coaching insisted on Big Ben sitting out this one, so he can heal up before detroit. he's no good to the club injured, and as he gets older he's going to be less able to play through injuries. plus I believe that he could really be effective coaching tyrus and noah until he gets healthy. It'd be tough because he's a proud, proud man.
by brianmita on Nov 6, 2007 11:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how about
by JSlakov on Nov 6, 2007 11:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni got torched on defense several times . . .
by Big D on Nov 6, 2007 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That...
by BenGo07 on Nov 7, 2007 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Noc
by majoyenrac on Nov 7, 2007 7:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how the pump fake lean in is now called
I like how they had Sefo on Mobley. Less Hinrich worked well.
Didn't think Luol played that well tonight. Just ok.
I think Skiles demeanor can effect this team. His constant
They have to give Sefo more time! Yeah his shot looked bad but he needs more playing time. He needs confidence. His shot looked better at the start of last season. He looks timmed out there like he's about to be pulled if he misses the shot.
Tyrus being pulled didn't bother cause he looked like he was in quick sand.
Hinrich kills this team and it's time to bench his ass.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 12:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agrees
Had anyone else been so obviously ineffective on Mobley they would have sat down the rest of the game. Hinrich wasn't getting it done and the only time Mobley was less potent out there was with Sefo on him. Heck, throw his game off with putting a number of different people on him at various times. He obviously figured Hinrich out. And I'd argue that in this situation having Sefo out there limiting Mobley would have off-set his own lack of offense. It wasn't as though Hinrich was lighting it up anyway. Between that and putting Wallace out there at the end I was pretty confused with how the coaching went away from everything that had gotten us back into the game in the first place.
by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich has proved once again
Now Skiles, after Mobley went 10 for 10, perhaps having Kirk on him was not the best idea.
Joe Smith...continues to impress me with his success. Always active and always contributing. One of Paxons best moves EVER. YES, EVER!
START
Gordon (Yes he can run point-they do it every 4th quarter)
Deng
Thomas
Smith
Wallace
by Knowledge32 on Nov 7, 2007 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know it's been said
by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ran point
How about some assists Kirk!
Paul had 21 last night
by Knowledge32 on Nov 7, 2007 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has had good match ups too.
by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was pleased
I'm tired of them being unable to close out games though - every game is a nailbiter with these guys.
I think Skiles did a great job of getting us from point A to point B but I am having problems envisioning him bringing us to point C. It seems like whenever we need something done it fails somehow. It's one thing if the shots miss - can't make them all - but there are so many times that I question the decisions on the court and that has to do with their coaching.
And god Noah's jump shots were awful.
by Jaina on Nov 7, 2007 12:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You really have to see what you have in
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 12:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
trade ben wallace? false.
by hongydraw on Nov 7, 2007 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is that meant to read as a riddle?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 7, 2007 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude I love Joakim Noah!
When was the last time Kirk Hinrch made a steal? They need to activate Thomas Gardner their Guards really suck ass right now.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 12:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
he may have had
Did he even see the boxscore?
They shot 45% to the Bulls 35%...it was more missed shots than it was anything else. When you go the last 4 minutes of the game without scoring that will be a loss almost everytime. Even during that final 4 minute stretch though, I didn't feel like guys were being selfish or playing in their own "little world" as he put it.
by ScottieCartwright on Nov 7, 2007 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
keep you rookie mouth shut...
Just here trying to help the team
We're just taking it one game at a time
Good Lord willing we'll get some wins
by Chad on Nov 7, 2007 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Wallace is
$15.5million dollars (with 3 more years left) the way he's playing now? Hell, even Isiah'll laugh at you.
by withmalice on Nov 7, 2007 1:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They are fucked.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 1:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyson Chandler had 10 and 9 tonight..to Ben's
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 1:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not really fair
by upther on Nov 7, 2007 7:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your sig looks like a vagina
by hongydraw on Nov 7, 2007 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How quickly we forget...
by Rankdog on Nov 7, 2007 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At what point...
Just curious.
FWIW, I think he blows.
by Chad on Nov 7, 2007 1:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Given past history . . .
by Big D on Nov 7, 2007 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace and Sefo
As for Sefo, it is tough to play someone who keeps messing up a lot when you are looking for your first win but finding more playing time to get his confidence up would be nice. Skiles obviously wants to play him because he has brought him in from the bench before duhon a couple of times. It isnt like he isnt giving him a chance. He just looks bad out there. I am hoping he has potential. It be nice to see him drive but he doesnt seem to be very quick.
by Sambossanova on Nov 7, 2007 1:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben
He showed flashes of the old Ben, but I'd hardly think Wallace could slow this much in the offseason, he was our most effective player (even if his stats didn't show it) in the playoffs last year.
I think it has to be the injury, he's saying in like 2 word answers that he doesn't have the mobility.....
Start Noah next game, he's got the intensity and IQ to at least be better than the injured Big Ben. Have Wallace sit for a week or so.....
I have to hope that's what it is, because if he's not injured and doign this little, then perhaps Scott Skiles is the problem....
by majoyenrac on Nov 7, 2007 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it was
by sue369 on Nov 7, 2007 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace
If he wants to really help Chicago, put him at Middle Linebacker while Urlacher is hurt.
by Knowledge32 on Nov 7, 2007 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...or offensive tackle
by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he was a fantastic role player
At his peak he's hardly just a role player, and I hope he'll play like his former deservedly all star self. Lately he's been playing like an undrafted NBA player getting a ridiculous amount of money. It better be his ankle injury.
by majoyenrac on Nov 7, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should be able to expect some offense.
by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Pistons TEAM
by Knowledge32 on Nov 8, 2007 7:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I disagree
He used to have games where he was fantastic and games where he was ordinary (more fantastic games than ordinary).
Last year he had games where he was fantastic, games where he was ordinary and for the first time a group of games where he was bad.
This year he's focused on the bad so far....
Chicago Fans forget that while Detroit was unwilling to pay $60M for him, they did offer him a $48M contract and contrary to most reports did not let him go without a relative fight, and who knows might have gone to $50-52M......THe Bulls had to add the extra $8-10M in the deal to sway him away from Detroit.
Big Ben will be back, he's a concern, but our biggest concern right now is Captain Kirk, who has rarely played to his 2004-2005 self since Tyson left...
by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Wallace doesn't improve,
by Tim S. on Nov 7, 2007 6:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They can win without him
by Jaina on Nov 7, 2007 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's worth a try, since we haven't won with him.
by Tim S. on Nov 7, 2007 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how do u base that?
With or without him, they're 0-4...you can't blame all of this on Ben
by ScottieCartwright on Nov 7, 2007 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't blame this on Ben
But since we already play 4 on 5 on offense when he is on the floor, if he's ineffectual on defense he shouldn't be on the court. End of story.
I think I may be one of the few left who doesn't regret the Wallace signing, but it's obvious he's still injured and needs a rest.
Unfortunately Noah was also out, giving the Bulls one less person to back him up.
I figure we can win without Wallace not from what I've seen this year, but from what I've seen of the team the past few years. One person is not making or breaking this team - the mistakes are combined effort.
by Jaina on Nov 7, 2007 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
are they?
by Blacknight23 on Nov 7, 2007 7:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shooting notwithstanding...
Kirk was very disappointing yesterday. His D was suspect, and his O was horrible....he again went through that make a nice move, get a relative easy look at a layup and miss the layup stretch. I like the fact that he was aggressive in the 4th at least offensively, but by now he really should be hitting those shots....
Deng was fabulous in the first half, and again I feel should have been more aggressive in the 4th.
My biggest complaint was why was Duhon out there in the 4th (for like half the fourth). I mean Duhon looks decent in stretches then in other stretches he starts to forget plays and make weak passes (2 things of which he did aplenty in the 4th).
Finally, much unheralded Joe Smith looks like our best player right now, a real concern for a team that by all accounts seemed to have been bristling with talent. Joe's 20+ MPG have been more effective than any Bull. I think he needs to move to the starting line up. He's aggressive, plays smart, gets rebounds, hustles, and can hit shots inside and outside.
The trouble with Joe is I think he's cursed, because what I've seen he seems to be the perfect fit from what we were missing last year, but suddenly the other guys aren't playing to their prior levels....
by majoyenrac on Nov 7, 2007 7:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Noah
by SlamDunk on Nov 7, 2007 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I LOVE the fact that
Where are the assists? Where's the ball movement, why are most of the guys suddenly looking lackadaisical when the game matters most?
If this continues, let's just keep our energy lineup out there to close the games (Ben Gordon, Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joe Smith, and Joakim Noah)....
I don't care if on paper this lineup looks more like energy without skill (as Gordon's not a great PG by any stretch), but Luol, Kirk, and Big Ben aren't hustling or being aggressive enough in the 4th (or when they are, they're forcing too much). Let's have a more team lineup out there.
I'm glad Noah called out this team. It means a lot when your rookie calls the team out after his first game.
I think I'm liking him much more right now.
by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why Noc?
by cranscape on Nov 8, 2007 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and last season...
by ScottieCartwright on Nov 8, 2007 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That lineup
by CrashDavis on Nov 8, 2007 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying...
And I'd much rather see Noc in Duhon's spot than see Duhon manning the majority of the minutes in the 4th.
Nocioni's a fine SF, he's aggressive enough to be ok at the PF, but he's a nice addition at the SF spot.
I'll give you he hasn't been moving the ball, but at the same time, when he's getting the ball, his teammates aren't moving (mostly because he's on the court with Big Ben, Hinrich, and Deng, and the triple-covered BG). Big Ben, Hinrich and Deng have to this point fallen asleep in the 4th and are calling it Gordon time.....even Jordan wouldn't be able to do what he did without his teammates moving around at all. Granted Jordan would be a bit stronger, but if you plopped Jordan on these Bulls teams instead of Gordon we'd likely only be 1-3 right now......The rest of the guys haven't had any intensity in the 4th quarter.
Plus, I'm sorry, I like the fact that Nocioni always brings a passion. He's very much skilled, and aside from a bad playoffs last year when he was clearly hurt and clearly immobile, he's been a solid player for our team. WIth Noc game in and game out you know what you're gonna get, an intense player who's a bit of streaky shooter, but one who has the ability to drive to the basket. On defense, he's an intense hustler who'll get the occasional block or steal, and give up his share of 3 try's, but he'll counter them by forcing charges, etc. Noc is hardly a problem on our team. He's one of our more consistent players, and while he doesn't have as many "oh-wow" games as Luol, Ben, or even going back a bit with Kirk, Nocioni rarely has games where if given the minutes he's terrible the entire night (he'll have a stretch here or there, but rarely is there not a stretch in any game where he's given time to play does Nocioni not become effective). If his offense isnt' working, he'll find ways to make his defense offset it.
by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you were responding to the guys above me
by CrashDavis on Nov 8, 2007 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just trying
Essentially I was saying if guys like Kirk, Luol and Big Ben are gonna just stand around in teh 4th qtr, why bother playing them, let's light a fire in them by benching them when the game matters most. I don't care if we lose one more game doing that, it might help us in the long run.
by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't wanna sound like a dick...
by CrashDavis on Nov 8, 2007 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
pg:Duhon (cant believe i just said that)
sg: Thabo
SF:Deng
PF;Thomas
C: Noah
Just for a couple of games to wake them up!!
It would be a hell of a way to wake up our core and show them their job isn't safe. Remember Hinrich's rookie season where he was aggressive on the offensive end? He had to make plays to stay in the rotation, he needs to play like that...
by tyrus4prez on Nov 8, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your lineup
As far as the NBA2K7 comment, I know it's not that in real life. What I'm saying is if our main, talented guys aren't going to play with passion, let's sit em with a rather inept lineup of hustlers just to get these guys to get their old swagger back.
by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where was Tyrus at end, Kirk, Wallace
also, if every team is going to abuse Kirk on the block like LAC did with Mobley then the Kirk/Gordon backcourt isn't going to work well, Bulls looked lost to close the game
I would love to blame it on Wallace's injury but I have to admit that he is undersized and 30+ with lots of mins and could be wearing down which sucks as his whole game is based on energy on explosiveness on defense / rebounding - otherwise he is liability out there
by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 7, 2007 7:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thomas as the intangibles...
by tyger1147 on Nov 7, 2007 8:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
annoyed
- Thabo shooting bricks from the outside. Coach?
- Noah's launching underhand shots from 20ft. Coach.
- Wallace is a dog without a brain. fade away jump shots. air ball free throws. shooting good shots from his palm instead of fingertips. and then there was the backwards over the head "maybe if I just throw it in the air, it will go in, wait, am I a professional? should I atleast look at the basket?" coach?
by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 7, 2007 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shots Not Falling?
by A Train Afro 53 on Nov 7, 2007 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am for it on a limited basis.
by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is really pissing me off.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 10:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think they do know how to play well,
With one exception (which I'll get to in a minute), Paxson has built a roster of physically limited but heady players. The opponent's strategy is to pick a spot on the Bulls' armor and hammer that spot, generally via the isolation of one of their more gifted athletes.
The Bulls' best defense is to metaphorically link arms and hold their ground in their best imitation of the three musketeers' defense. But the minute the opponent can create even a crease in the Bulls' front it's like a jail break. You saw it last night. You clearly saw it in the playoffs against Detroit.
The Bull's don't have a single player who can exploit a match-up deficiency on the other team...except--potentially--Tyrus Thomas. I believe he is the most important player on the team. The Bulls need to find some way to bring him along. My opinion is that you do that best by getting him an individual coach who thoroughly understands and can appreciate Thomas' physical gifts--someone like, for example, Dominique Wilkins, who, in my mind, had a game most like what Thomas' game can become.
by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're kidding, right?
by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's why
by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
off mark mostly
but Tyrus might be the one Bull who is really explosive enough to attack the rim and score or draw a foul against anyone one on one ... unfortunately he is not there yet and has work to do with dribbling, footwork, etc. before he can really use all that athletism to its full potential
by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 7, 2007 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dominique hit
by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this one
Have you ever seen Dominique play other than in a highlight package? Dominique was able to take people off of the dribble. Tyrus isn't anywhere near there yet. Although he did run a nice break last night.
by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To Me
by tyrus4prez on Nov 7, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're an SB Nation Bot
The only thing I got out of the Wilkins comment was they both jump real high. I get the shoot jumpers to draw defenders out strategy, but that's just a poorly articulated version of the inside-out game every good scorer should have. Wilkins was shooting 4+ 3PA/40 for a good chunk of his career.
by hscs on Nov 7, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you might like that
by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about...
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 10:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
JoJo
by Knowledge32 on Nov 7, 2007 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks
0-9 was Ben and Luol's rookie year
3-9 was a bunch of new faces and a tough opening month schedule.
0-4 this year? Uhh, the only thing I can think of is the Kobe distractions
by Option27 on Nov 7, 2007 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
And it may linger due to the fact that trade talks will probably come back in December...
by AngryAsianAce on Nov 7, 2007 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so too.
by sue369 on Nov 7, 2007 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding!
by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I finally watched the game on TIVO.
Just terrible.
by 1958ChiTown on Nov 7, 2007 11:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
There were two perfect examples in that game showing why post scoring is important:
- Chris Kaman showed how you can get easy baskets during the flow of the game to loosen up the perimeter for the other players. He didn't have a great game, but he certainly was effective with jump hooks and cleaning up some garbage.
- The end of the game, the Clips went to Mobley. They dumped in to him and he burned Hinrich. With the game tied at 89, they dumped it to him again. Wallace came over way too early to double-team. Mobley found Thomas (-puke-) who found Maggette for the wide open go-ahead 3 with 2:11 left. Game over.
by mdmnd9294 on Nov 7, 2007 12:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Last night
by CrashDavis on Nov 7, 2007 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are the Bulls viewed as a Talented Team?
2006-07 5th seed, lost last game of the season missing 2nd seed and chance to 50 win games and then a chance to lose to an average NJ team in first round, yet won 1st round against a very weak Miami team, but lost miserably against an average Piston's team, no major changes in the team during off season, Captain and PG Hinrich actually slowing a deteriorating game. 60 million Wallace also declining fast.
But still, viewed by many as loaded with young talent or potential.
GM Paxson might be forced to do something? If talent exists, why is it not being utilized? Skiles at some point has to take responsibility, and stop blaming the team "our guys are not getting it done".
This slow motion offensive, with these young race horses (thomas, deng, sefo, noc, kirk, gardner, noah, viktor, curry, gordon) and even older athletic horses (wallace and smith) rarely get fast breaks or even break a sweat before being pulled out of the game.
Seems to be a coaching philosophy not on par with the players talents. A GM assemblance of talent under utilized by a coach. A coach with no patience for young players making mistakes. A GM who builds a team's postion based on half players (for example Thabo's defense and Gordon's offense at the SG position or Wallace's defense and Smith's offense at the center position, Tyrus's defense and Noc's offense at the PF position), and a coach who is trying to play a bunch of half players at the same time in a slow motion offense. Do half players work better in a faster offense? Didn't Phoenix have some interests in Tyrus at some point?
Now or later Paxson will either cut his loses with the coach or make another bad trade and the same problems will still exists. Kobe+Skiles = explosion in a bad way.
At some point Paxson is accountable. No excuse, there are some good coaches available, find the new blood in the coaching ranks. Pull the trigger or have the trigger pulled. How about 2 time NBA champion, 2 time WNBA Champion coach, chicago born and raised, the real bad boy, Bill Laimbeer?
by exult463 on Nov 7, 2007 12:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
haven't seen enough but get running
The Bulls don't have a post game and they have a bunch of young players who should thrive in on fast breaks - Thomas, Deng, Thabo and even the shorter Kirk, Gordon, and Noc should get easier looks off fast or secondary breaks
although the problem may be in the rebounding, you need great rebounding to be a great fastbreaking team, most teams (Suns excluded) can't run off makes and you can't run if you are getting killed on boards
by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 7, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Master Plan
Where the Bulls are drive-and-kick with smart players who have heart and character but lack athleticism, the Clippers have gone and done just the opposite: stack your team with a bunch of guys who can hit jumpers from all over the floor. Damn practice habits (Tim Thomas). To hell with league reputations for not getting it done (Brevin Knight) or being overrated (Cuttino Mobley). It doesn't even matter if your coach hates you (Corey Maggette). For goodness sake, don't the Clippers even have someone on their roster who has to register as a sex offender or something (Ruben Patterson)?
Here's an idea: stack your team with players who can put the ball in the bucket. The Clippers, like the Suns, Warriors, Jazz, Nuggets and even (you want me to say it? Fine) the Knicks are loaded for bear on the offensive end of the court. Watching the Clips take it to the good guys causes me to remember just for a second what it's like to see a team built to score. Time for rebuilding version 6.0?
by bullhockey on Nov 7, 2007 12:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rebuild?
Clippers didn't look so great, some say the Bulls played better compared to the first 3 games? Huh? They currently are lacking mental toughness and coaching effectiveness. But these players (Bulls) are not that bad to even speak of rebuilding.
by exult463 on Nov 7, 2007 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't panic - - but
However we do have our TT, Smith and Noah shows some pomise. My concern is the large chunk of salary taken by BW. If we are going no-where and he starts to play better BW may be someone you try, the key word is try to trade. Hopefully we turn it around but who out there, who saw these first four games, truly believes we are going to beat Detroit and Toronto. At best we go into the road trip 1 - 5.
by chgobr on Nov 7, 2007 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Joe Smith is
by alec on Nov 7, 2007 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That and
by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that lineup
by CrashDavis on Nov 7, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's fair
by alec on Nov 7, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really..
by miserabull on Nov 7, 2007 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Personnel is the same
by miserabull on Nov 7, 2007 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember John Kelly? Wow the good ol days!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 5:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...
Problem is - at least in part - expectations.
A jump-shooting team with no inside premise and an undersized, over-paid, aging center.
What exactly were you expecting them to do, and what lead you to those expectations?
by withmalice on Nov 7, 2007 10:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I made it clear
by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
excellent point
by exult463 on Nov 8, 2007 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know
Get rid of one of the other assistants and let's hire a big man coach who can work with our biggest shortfall---inside play.
by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta say,
"If I had just played my first pro game, I'd probably keep my mouth shut, to be honest with you," Skiles told reporters at the Berto Center.
He comes across as a hypocritical asshole. All his and Paxson's talk about Noah being the voice the franchise has lacked...then as soon as he opens his mouth Skiles rips him for it in the media. In my opinion, it's Skiles who's gotta watch what he says. What a jerk!
by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Skiles loves playing the hard ass role.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles not only plays hard ass
He's just assinine too frequently and with all the other BS going on, the team only having a ranting Skiles to look to doesn't help matters.
by Bluelou on Nov 8, 2007 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The real question for Bulls fans is...
by Zac23 on Nov 8, 2007 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deng
However, he played 44:53, all but 3:07 of the game. In just over three minutes that he was on the bench, the Bulls scored zero points, and allowed 6 points which began a 12-0 run.
by cubbybear on Nov 8, 2007 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What's the difference
One serves people steak, the other is filled with a bunch of dead Bulls.
by vlad001 on Nov 8, 2007 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gordon and inconsistency
Just wondering if you could elaborate (maybe I've missed it in previous posts) on your comments about Ben Gordon's inconsistency issues. I'm not sure I fully understood your comment about the issue of 'streak-shooting' being a misnomer, although I certainly buy the belief that you become a more complete player by learning to find other ways to get the ball in the hole, even when the bread and butter of your game isn't working.
-sw
by Steve Weinman on Nov 9, 2007 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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