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It is what it is, 0-4 against a very easy schedule. And it sucks.

Well, tonight's game was yet another loss. But while I thought they played much better overall, it only got them to the point where they've always been: susceptible to scoring droughts and lost leads. The most glaring time being the final 4 minutes of the game, where the Bulls made ZERO field goals. Just pathetic.

I was at the game, and at least they were productive (again, until the final 4 minutes) offensively, so it wasn't as much as an aesthetic downer as I'd imagine the Philly game was. Some random thoughts from my in-game grumbling and the help of the box score...

(nearly all 'good' thoughts do not include the final 4 minutes of the game)

  • I thought Luol played very well, attacking the soft Clippers frontcourt, especially that slug Tim Thomas. Deng posted up and drew a double-team in his first possession, assisting a Tyrus dunk. For the most part he was attacking inside with drives and getting baby-hooks up before the defense could react.
     
  • Gordon was again abused by some bad officiating, especially one play where he was clobbered and took a nasty fall. I was worried he would stop driving to the basket altogether, but he did get to the line 7 times. The big hang-up on 'consistency' from him isn't streak-shooting (which I find to be a misnomer altogether), it's getting points when the shot isn't falling. He needs to get his outside shooting back, but while that happens at least he's not giving up on drawing fouls.
     
  • Overall the team did very well attacking the basket, getting the Clippers into the penalty and holding the game close when the Clippers were shooting out of their minds in the first half. The Bulls were once again cold from the outside (Gordon 4-18 from the field, team 2-9 from three), but at least they weren't settling for jumpers this game.
     
  • Wallace was reportedly getting his minutes limited, and while he only received 27 minutes it sure felt like longer. Especially in the 2nd half (when the Clippers were actually missing shots) when the Bulls were losing several offensive rebounds while Wallace had cement in his shoes. He was a +5 for the game, and did have a nice block showing some of the old Ben, but now it's come to the point where I'm trying really really hard to cherry-pick his good plays to come up reasons for him to even play. It's getting beyond worrisome.
     
  • Noah did not have weighted-down shoes, but he wasn't exactly good either in his pro debut, and certainly not smart with 2 horrible jumpers, shots that shouldn't have been taken at all. He also missed a couple layups, which makes him fit right in with the rest of the Bulls frontcourt. I thought that would be fixed this year.
     
  • Hinrich was abused by Cuttino Mobley in the final few possessions. You could say it happened all game, but at least those were on jump shots. Near then end he'd just post up Kirk and make him look bad. Thabo did a better job, but was a complete offensive dud. I thought he was billed as the polished prospect coming out of the draft.
     
  • I'll wait for the GameFlow to come up tomorrow for full analysis, but Duhon did have a +8 overall in 12 minutes, and was part of a very good lineup in the 2nd half that got the Bulls the lead. So hooray for that.
     
  • And of course, as the fan I am, it'll come back to the coach (they're easier to question, naturally). Why did Tyrus Thomas only play 20 minutes, and sit the final 18 minutes of the game? What a complete joke. Thomas looked great wreaking havoc on the slow Clippers frontcourt, getting dunks, getting fouled, getting rebounds, and forcing turnovers. Even  had 5 assists (2 while running the break), and he can't find a spot off the bench for the final 18 minutes. As the Bulls whole offense stagnated to shit in the final quarter, it would've been nice to see their best athlete get a chance to change the downward trend. But as we saw, with or without Thomas the Bulls core players put up complete zeros in the final stretch.
     

Like I said, this was a game that wasn't a complete disaster like before, but that almost makes it worse. Shots will eventually fall, they'll eventually get wins, and they'll eventually make the playoffs. But if they're not a top seed I consider this year a disappointment, and if the players (and coach for that matter) don't individually improve they're no closer as a squad to a title, which makes this whole regular season seem a meaningless exercise, whether they cobble together some wins or not.

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Thomas sat...
...because on a defensive trip down the floor he got switched onto Kamen instead of the Clips' PF (I forget whether it was Tim Thomas or Patterson). In any event, Kamen and the Clips' PF essentially converged in the lane, and Ty, instead of staying with Kamen, tried to switch back to his own man, who Wallace was still guarding. Ty tried to get back to Kamen, but he was late and Kamen got an easy jump hook from about 3 feet away on the baseline. Skiles called an immediate timeout and we never saw Tyrus again.

I'm fine with the TO and I could even (begrudingly) be okay with sitting him for a couple minutes as a "lesson." But to sit him the rest of the game was stubborn and stupid and, I think, cost us the game b/c it left Joe Smith absolutely gassed at crunchtime. I'm kinda pissed about it.

by BenGo07 on Nov 6, 2007 11:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Smith WAS gassed
thanks for the info on Tyrus' yank, I had missed that.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 7, 2007 12:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a real shame...
...because Smith had a great game. He just needs a coach who can sanely manage his minutes.

And don't worry about missing the Tyrus yank. It was probably easier to notice on TV. Of course, the three Comcast "experts" failed to mention it as well. I think they were busy at the time teasing Stacey about withholding the phone number of Red's bookie from him. I wish I was kidding.

by BenGo07 on Nov 7, 2007 12:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it's time to hire people
who know what the hell their talking about.
Did the Bulls trade for Kobe today? Oh, so I still have to watch these midgets?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 12:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

disappointing
but in the motion offense skiles uses it takes them a bit to get used to each other.  it did last year and I believe the last year before that.  they should have at least a win

still, I kinda wished the coaching insisted on Big Ben sitting out this one, so he can heal up before detroit. he's no good to the club injured, and as he gets older he's going to be less able to play through injuries.  plus I believe that he could really be effective coaching tyrus and noah until he gets healthy.  It'd be tough because he's a proud, proud man.

by brianmita on Nov 6, 2007 11:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

how about
Nocioni?  Why only 10 minutes when he's got the best plus/minus on our team for the season?

by JSlakov on Nov 6, 2007 11:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nocioni got torched on defense several times . . .
In the first half.  I'm guessing that was why we didn't see him in the 2nd half.

by Big D on Nov 6, 2007 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That...
...and his lack of rebounding at the 4 really hurts. Strangely, I think Skiles' decision to sit Tyrus also impacted Noce's minutes in a domino sort of way. With Wallace a slim shade of his former self, you need rebounding at the 4 and the 5. And I think Noah (Ty's replacement) really needs to play alongside a strong rebounder at this stage in his development. Hence, Joe Smith; hence no Noce.

by BenGo07 on Nov 7, 2007 12:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And Noc
tends to leave outside shooters open and the Clipps have them aplenty, especially when Tim Thomas gets hot.  I love Nocioni, but I was fine with him sitting much of this one out because his contributions would be voided and then some likely if Thomas/Maggette got hot from outside (And they were pretty hot down the stretch already, with Nocioni out there they may have done even better)...

by majoyenrac on Nov 7, 2007 7:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I love how the pump fake lean in is now called
a veteren move? Thats like basketball 101 you would think Loul or BG would use that.

I like how they had Sefo on Mobley. Less Hinrich worked well.

Didn't think Luol played that well tonight. Just ok.

I think Skiles demeanor can effect this team. His constant

They have to give Sefo more time! Yeah his shot looked bad but he needs more playing time. He needs confidence. His shot looked better at the start of last season. He looks timmed out there like he's about to be pulled if he misses the shot.

Tyrus being pulled didn't bother cause he looked like he was in quick sand.

Hinrich kills this team and it's time to bench his ass.

Did the Bulls trade for Kobe today? Oh, so I still have to watch these midgets?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 12:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agrees
>I like how they had Sefo on Mobley. Less Hinrich worked well.

Had anyone else been so obviously ineffective on Mobley they would have sat down the rest of the game.  Hinrich wasn't getting it done and the only time Mobley was less potent out there was with Sefo on him.  Heck, throw his game off with putting a number of different people on him at various times.  He obviously figured Hinrich out.  And I'd argue that in this situation having Sefo out there limiting Mobley would have off-set his own lack of offense.  It wasn't as though Hinrich was lighting it up anyway. Between that and putting Wallace out there at the end I was pretty confused with how the coaching went away from everything that had gotten us back into the game in the first place.

by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 8:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich has proved once again
he is a liability on defense. Mobley got anything he wanted last night on him. It reminded me of playing the Pistons with Billups. He is too soft! End of story, I am done hearing about him and how he is just not playing well. Over rated bottom line.

Now Skiles, after Mobley went 10 for 10, perhaps having Kirk on him was not the best idea.

Joe Smith...continues to impress me with his success. Always active and always contributing. One of Paxons best moves EVER. YES, EVER!

START
Gordon (Yes he can run point-they do it every 4th quarter)
Deng
Thomas
Smith
Wallace  

It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on Nov 7, 2007 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i know it's been said
but the team is 0-4 with BG running the point in the fourth quarter.  And no, he can't run the point.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ran point
in the 4th quarter last year...I guess that proves your point tho too. Well get Kirk out of there!

How about some assists Kirk!

Paul had 21 last night

It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on Nov 7, 2007 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He has had good match ups too.
I remember him doing pretty well keeping Wade off his game.  There are just some match ups that don't work well for him though and when that happens coaching is going to have to recognize that and get a different man on the problem.

by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was pleased
for the most part, a definite improvement over the past three games.  Other than losing of course.

I'm tired of them being unable to close out games though - every game is a nailbiter with these guys.

I think Skiles did a great job of getting us from point A to point B but I am having problems envisioning him bringing us to point C.  It seems like whenever we need something done it fails somehow.  It's one thing if the shots miss - can't make them all - but there are so many times that I question the decisions on the court and that has to do with their coaching.

And god Noah's jump shots were awful.

by Jaina on Nov 7, 2007 12:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You really have to see what you have in
Thabo. They might wana think about starting him and Joe Smith over Tyrus. God trade Ben Wallace.
Did the Bulls trade for Kobe today? Oh, so I still have to watch these midgets?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 12:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

trade ben wallace? false.
Vlad001 is a douche. 0-4? So what! The Bulls will win the East!

by hongydraw on Nov 7, 2007 12:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude I love Joakim Noah!
Finally someone who says something after the game. Tell what the fuck is really going on. They don't seem like their all on the same page at all. There seems like no fire or something. Joakim was the only person on the floor balls out.

When was the last time Kirk Hinrch made a steal? They need to activate Thomas Gardner their Guards really suck ass right now.

Did the Bulls trade for Kobe today? Oh, so I still have to watch these midgets?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 12:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

he may have had
the balls to say something, but that doesn't mean that his assessment was right.  I actually don't like how he said it - "it just seemed like guys were playing on their own...they were in their own little worlds" - so is he including himself in that assessment too??  He said it like he wasn't.

Did he even see the boxscore?

They shot 45% to the Bulls 35%...it was more missed shots than it was anything else.  When you go the last 4 minutes of the game without scoring that will be a loss almost everytime.  Even during that final 4 minute stretch though, I didn't feel like guys were being selfish or playing in their own "little world" as he put it.

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 7, 2007 8:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

keep you rookie mouth shut...
rookies should say anything other than:

Just here trying to help the team
We're just taking it one game at a time
Good Lord willing we'll get some wins

by Chad on Nov 7, 2007 10:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ben Wallace is
untradeable.
$15.5million dollars (with 3 more years left) the way he's playing now?  Hell, even Isiah'll laugh at you.

by withmalice on Nov 7, 2007 1:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

They are fucked.
He doesn't do anything really. I remember when he was blocking the crap out of people. Well Skiles says he won't panic. This team isn't on the same page I don't really understand this. Draft Lottery anyone is starting to creep in my head. It's just basketball it's not really hard. It's like the trade talk hurt their feelings and now they don't give a shit.
Did the Bulls trade for Kobe today? Oh, so I still have to watch these midgets?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 1:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace
You have me rolling. I can just see the look on Isiah's face!

by SlamDunk on Nov 7, 2007 2:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tyson Chandler had 10 and 9 tonight..to Ben's
6 and 2 ohhhhhh god and Tyson can hit free throws. I miss Chandler. Yeah he wasn't perfect but Tyson is so much better than Wallace. Whyyyyyyyy did they trade him? And for like nothing.
With the first pick in the 2008 NBA draft the Chicago Bulls select Derrick Rose 6'4 guard Memphis bye bye Kirk!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 1:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not really fair
To compare the play of a healthy Chandler to an injured Wallace.  

by upther on Nov 7, 2007 7:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

your sig looks like a vagina
Vlad001 is a douche. 0-4? So what! The Bulls will win the East!

by hongydraw on Nov 7, 2007 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How quickly we forget...
T. Chandler would have been on the IR after taking the beating from Shaq that Big Ben got in last years playoffs.  Let T.C. put up big numbers where he isn't required to provide any interior post defense.  I would still take Wallace come playoff time over Chandler.  We have an improved version of Chandler on this squad.  His name is Tyrus Thomas.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 7, 2007 6:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

At what point...
Does Skiles lose his job?

Just curious.

FWIW, I think he blows.

by Chad on Nov 7, 2007 1:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Given past history . . .
Not before Paxson gives away Tyrus Thomas on the grounds that he can't "get along with Skiles."

by Big D on Nov 7, 2007 1:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace and Sefo
Wallace's defense is far superior to Tyson's...Tyson just piles on the rebounds but has half the defensive IQ of Wallace.  This is not even worth arguing.  I wonder why Wallace is playing.  There is no way that he isnt at least slightly injured and its hurting the team.  They should sit him out for a game or two and let him recover.  Was it an ankle sprain? I dont even remember but he can barely jump now.  I know he is one eyar older but he couldnt even dunk...theres obviously something wrong there.  

As for Sefo, it is tough to play someone who keeps messing up a lot when you are looking for your first win but finding more playing time to get his confidence up would be nice.  Skiles obviously wants to play him because he has brought him in from the bench before duhon a couple of times.  It isnt like he isnt giving him a chance.  He just looks bad out there.  I am hoping he has potential.  It be nice to see him drive but he doesnt seem to be very quick.

by Sambossanova on Nov 7, 2007 1:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Big Ben
I agree, sit Ben out for a few days.  He's not himself, and he at least looked himself in the preseason for stretches and that was preseason....then the ankle twist.

He showed flashes of the old Ben, but I'd hardly think Wallace could slow this much in the offseason, he was our most effective player (even if his stats didn't show it) in the playoffs last year.

I think it has to be the injury, he's saying in like 2 word answers that he doesn't have the mobility.....

Start Noah next game, he's got the intensity and IQ to at least be better than the injured Big Ben.  Have Wallace sit for a week or so.....

I have to hope that's what it is, because if he's not injured and doign this little, then perhaps Scott Skiles is the problem....

by majoyenrac on Nov 7, 2007 7:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it was
an ankle sprain and it's obvious it's still bothering him a lot. I don't understand Skiles playing him so much when he is hurt.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 7, 2007 9:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace?
Old, old, old.

by withmalice on Nov 7, 2007 5:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wallace
What does everyone expect from Wallace? He was a role player on the Pistons and he is a role player now. He is an athletic big guy to throw out there for Defense. NOT OFFENSE. Stop acting surprised.

If he wants to really help Chicago, put him at Middle Linebacker while Urlacher is hurt.  

It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on Nov 7, 2007 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

...or offensive tackle
where he might be able to open a hole big enough for Benson to get through.

by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well he was a fantastic role player
On the championship and almost championship years.  Wallace did it all, and was my pick for the championship MVP, his D was astounding on a peak Shaq and he was so active in that series defensively and again against the Spurs that his game offset any offensive limitations.  I was amazed he didn't win finals MVP in that Lakers-Pistons series.

At his peak he's hardly just a role player, and I hope he'll play like his former deservedly all star self.  Lately he's been playing like an undrafted NBA player getting a ridiculous amount of money.  It better be his ankle injury.

by majoyenrac on Nov 7, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You should be able to expect some offense.
Being able to slam, finish with a put back, and the random layup are things he should be able to do down there.  And he hasn't.  I don't think anyone is asking him to do some outside shooting, but he needs to be able to grab an offensive rebound and go back up to the basket with it without looking like a blind drunk. No offense to the blind or the drunk or any blind drunks out there. He hasn't looked good near the basket at all.  

by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 5:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That Pistons TEAM
made Ben Wallace, not the other way around
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on Nov 8, 2007 7:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I disagree
When Ben's on his game he's still awesome.  He might not be on his game as much as he once was, but those games when he brings it and is active, he's still fantastic.  

He used to have games where he was fantastic and games where he was ordinary (more fantastic games than ordinary).

Last year he had games where he was fantastic, games where he was ordinary and for the first time a group of games where he was bad.

This year he's focused on the bad so far....

Chicago Fans forget that while Detroit was unwilling to pay $60M for him, they did offer him a $48M contract and contrary to most reports did not let him go without a relative fight, and who knows might have gone to $50-52M......THe Bulls had to add the extra $8-10M in the deal to sway him away from Detroit.

Big Ben will be back, he's a concern, but our biggest concern right now is Captain Kirk, who has rarely played to his 2004-2005 self since Tyson left...

by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Wallace doesn't improve,
the Bulls may not make the playoffs this year.  But he played okay in the preseason before his injury, so I really think he just needs to get healthy.  Unfortunately, the Bulls are a bad team without him.

by Tim S. on Nov 7, 2007 6:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

They can win without him
if he's on the bench.  If he continues to play injured, that's where he hurts us.

by Jaina on Nov 7, 2007 9:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's worth a try, since we haven't won with him.
If Wallace can't jump, perhaps he should just sit out a few games until he can.  But that's a scary proposition, and I wouldn't count on winning any of those games.

by Tim S. on Nov 7, 2007 9:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how do u base that?
He's been on the bench for most of the second half of each of the 4 games so far...and they STILL haven't won

With or without him, they're 0-4...you can't blame all of this on Ben

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 7, 2007 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually don't blame this on Ben
since we have other problems.

But since we already play 4 on 5 on offense when he is on the floor, if he's ineffectual on defense he shouldn't be on the court.  End of story.

I think I may be one of the few left who doesn't regret the Wallace signing, but it's obvious he's still injured and needs a rest.

Unfortunately Noah was also out, giving the Bulls one less person to back him up.

I figure we can win without Wallace not from what I've seen this year, but from what I've seen of the team the past few years.  One person is not making or breaking this team - the mistakes are combined effort.

by Jaina on Nov 7, 2007 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

are they?
It seemed like they play better without him. What about Gordon, Deng, Noce, TT, and Smith when u need baskets. And Sefolosha, Gordon, Deng, Noah, TT when u need stops until wallace gets haelthy. Give him a veterans days off.

by Blacknight23 on Nov 7, 2007 7:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Shooting notwithstanding...
I thought Noah looked fabulous.  He gave us plenty of opportunities for extra buckets (that unfortunately didn't drop) and while I agree those 2 long jumpers were bad decisions, his good play far outweighed his bad play.  I have a feeling he's a guy that'll be much better than his stats.

Kirk was very disappointing yesterday.  His D was suspect, and his O was horrible....he again went through that make a nice move, get a relative easy look at a layup and miss the layup stretch.  I like the fact that he was aggressive in the 4th at least offensively, but by now he really should be hitting those shots....

Deng was fabulous in the first half, and again I feel should have been more aggressive in the 4th.

My biggest complaint was why was Duhon out there in the 4th (for like half the fourth).  I mean Duhon looks decent in stretches then in other stretches he starts to forget plays and make weak passes (2 things of which he did aplenty in the 4th).

Finally, much unheralded Joe Smith looks like our best player right now, a real concern for a team that by all accounts seemed to have been bristling with talent.  Joe's 20+ MPG have been more effective than any Bull.  I think he needs to move to the starting line up.  He's aggressive, plays smart, gets rebounds, hustles, and can hit shots inside and outside.  

The trouble with Joe is I think he's cursed, because what I've seen he seems to be the perfect fit from what we were missing last year, but suddenly the other guys aren't playing to their prior levels....

by majoyenrac on Nov 7, 2007 7:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Noah
Once Noah plays aggressively and with confidence, which was key to his success as a college player, he will be fine. I think he will be better with every game. The Pistons would be a great opportunity to make a big impression. I will not be in the least bit surprise if he opens some eyes tomorrow.

by SlamDunk on Nov 7, 2007 3:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And I LOVE the fact that
Noah called out the Bulls for doing too much one-on-one.  I know Noah's a rookie and all, but so what, he's exactly right.

Where are the assists?  Where's the ball movement, why are most of the guys suddenly looking lackadaisical when the game matters most?

If this continues, let's just keep our energy lineup out there to close the games (Ben Gordon, Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joe Smith, and Joakim Noah)....

I don't care if on paper this lineup looks more like energy without skill (as Gordon's not a great PG by any stretch), but Luol, Kirk, and Big Ben aren't hustling or being aggressive enough in the 4th (or when they are, they're forcing too much).  Let's have a more team lineup out there.

I'm glad Noah called out this team.  It means a lot when your rookie calls the team out after his first game.

I think I'm liking him much more right now.

by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 7:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Then why Noc?
Noc has been a black hole for ball movement.  Throw him the ball and he shoots it regardless of who is on him or who else is open.  He has been the end of the line for ball movement all season so far.

by cranscape on Nov 8, 2007 8:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and last season...
...and the season before that

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 8, 2007 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That lineup
puts Noc at SG and Tyrus at SF. That would not be pretty.

by CrashDavis on Nov 8, 2007 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just saying...
at least that lineup plays with intensity...

And I'd much rather see Noc in Duhon's spot than see Duhon manning the majority of the minutes in the 4th.

Nocioni's a fine SF, he's aggressive enough to be ok at the PF, but he's a nice addition at the SF spot.  

I'll give you he hasn't been moving the ball, but at the same time, when he's getting the ball, his teammates aren't moving (mostly because he's on the court with Big Ben, Hinrich, and Deng, and the triple-covered BG).  Big Ben, Hinrich and Deng have to this point fallen asleep in the 4th and are calling it Gordon time.....even Jordan wouldn't be able to do what he did without his teammates moving around at all.  Granted Jordan would be a bit stronger, but if you plopped Jordan on these Bulls teams instead of Gordon we'd likely only be 1-3 right now......The rest of the guys haven't had any intensity in the 4th quarter.

Plus, I'm sorry, I like the fact that Nocioni always brings a passion.  He's very much skilled, and aside from a bad playoffs last year when he was clearly hurt and clearly immobile, he's been a solid player for our team.  WIth Noc game in and game out you know what you're gonna get, an intense player who's a bit of streaky shooter, but one who has the ability to drive to the basket.  On defense, he's an intense hustler who'll get the occasional block or steal, and give up his share of 3 try's, but he'll counter them by forcing charges, etc.  Noc is hardly a problem on our team.  He's one of our more consistent players, and while he doesn't have as many "oh-wow" games as Luol, Ben, or even going back a bit with Kirk, Nocioni rarely has games where if given the minutes he's terrible the entire night (he'll have a stretch here or there, but rarely is there not a stretch in any game where he's given time to play does Nocioni not become effective).  If his offense isnt' working, he'll find ways to make his defense offset it.

by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you were responding to the guys above me
But, I don't have too many problems with Noce as a player. I just have a problem with that particular lineup. You're not putting anybody in any position to succeed. Almost half the guys on the floor are playing where they aren't used to.

by CrashDavis on Nov 8, 2007 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was just trying
to put our most aggressive guys out there regardless of position......sure we wouldn't have the best in ball movement,etc but we'd have hustlers...

Essentially I was saying if guys like Kirk, Luol and Big Ben are gonna just stand around in teh 4th qtr, why bother playing them, let's light a fire in them by benching them when the game matters most.  I don't care if we lose one more game doing that, it might help us in the long run.

by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't wanna sound like a dick...
but this isn't NBA2k7 or something. The players have to know where they need to be in the set on both ends of the court.

by CrashDavis on Nov 8, 2007 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I think these guys mainly Hinrich, Gordon, and Wallace have become too comfortable with starting.  They seem to lack fire and aggressiveness in the beginning of the game.  This is a tough league to play in and when you are lazy and dont seem to care until the final minutes this is what happens.  I dont know if its time to panic so quick but if this continues I wouldn't mind seeing a starting line-up of:
pg:Duhon (cant believe i just said that)
sg: Thabo
SF:Deng
PF;Thomas
C: Noah

Just for a couple of games to wake them up!!

It would be a hell of a way to wake up our core and show them their job isn't safe.  Remember Hinrich's rookie season where he was aggressive on the offensive end?  He had to make plays to stay in the rotation, he needs to play like that...

by tyrus4prez on Nov 8, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like your lineup
Except that Gordon's been aggressive, it's been Deng (who sleeps in the 4th and hasn't done much beyond Q2 or early Q3 that I'm pissed at).

As far as the NBA2K7 comment, I know it's not that in real life. What I'm saying is if our main, talented guys aren't going to play with passion, let's sit em with a rather inept lineup of hustlers just to get these guys to get their old swagger back.

by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

where was Tyrus at end, Kirk, Wallace
I watched the 4th qrt online and saw JSmith make a few good baskets at the beginning of the qrt but he was left out there too long.  I think they needed to get Tyrus back out there for some energy.

also, if every team is going to abuse Kirk on the block like LAC did with Mobley then the Kirk/Gordon backcourt isn't going to work well, Bulls looked lost to close the game

I would love to blame it on Wallace's injury but I have to admit that he is undersized and 30+ with lots of mins and could be wearing down which sucks as his whole game is based on energy on explosiveness on defense / rebounding - otherwise he is liability out there

by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 7, 2007 7:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thomas as the intangibles...
...of an offensive facilitator.  Huh? I don't know either. But since he's in the front-court, it doesn't matter. Only PG's can get the offense going without scoring points.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 7, 2007 8:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

annoyed
So there we were in the 4th quarer. Trying to stay in the game.
  1. Thabo shooting bricks from the outside. Coach?
  2. Noah's launching underhand shots from 20ft. Coach.
  3. Wallace is a dog without a brain. fade away jump shots. air ball free throws. shooting good shots from his palm instead of fingertips. and then there was the backwards over the head "maybe if I just throw it in the air, it will go in, wait, am I a professional? should I atleast look at the basket?" coach?
A team, so good, do so bad.

by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 7, 2007 8:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Shots Not Falling?
I thought part of what everyone said was the Bulls problem, was the live and die by the jump shot? So they need a low post guy? Right? How about we give the 7'00" 270lb rookie a chance to mature? I'm starting my own personal Aaron Gray watch!!

by A Train Afro 53 on Nov 7, 2007 9:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I am for it on a limited basis.
Why not give him ten minutes?  I don't think he is our low post answer, but if he could give us a different kind of game down there for even a limited amount of time I think it would be worth trying.  If anything he can provide giant screens for our shooters and offer a bigger body in the paint.  And at the moment couldn't possibly do worse than an injured Wallace.

by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gray
Sorry "A Train," Skiles was just using Gray to affect some urgency out of Thomas and  Noah. Don't expect to see Skiles flirt with him again. I guess you're a Pittsburgh fan.

by SlamDunk on Nov 7, 2007 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is really pissing me off.
How do you not know how to play well by now?
With the first pick in the 2008 NBA draft the Chicago Bulls select Derrick Rose 6'4 guard Memphis bye bye Kirk!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 10:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think they do know how to play well,
and usually they do.  The problem is that they have to play perfectly in order to win.  A single deviation from Skiles' master plan anywhere on the court and the whole thing comes tumbling down.  

With one exception (which I'll get to in a minute), Paxson has built a roster of physically limited but heady players.  The opponent's strategy is to pick a spot on the Bulls' armor and hammer that spot, generally via the isolation of one of their more gifted athletes.

The Bulls' best defense is to metaphorically link arms and hold their ground in their best imitation of the three musketeers' defense.  But the minute the opponent can create even a crease in the Bulls' front it's like a jail break.  You saw it last night.  You clearly saw it in the playoffs against Detroit.

The Bull's don't have a single player who can exploit a match-up deficiency on the other team...except--potentially--Tyrus Thomas.  I believe he is the most important player on the team.  The Bulls need to find some way to bring him along.  My opinion is that you do that best by getting him an individual coach who thoroughly understands and can appreciate Thomas' physical gifts--someone like, for example, Dominique Wilkins, who, in my mind, had a game most like what Thomas' game can become.  

by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're kidding, right?
Tyrus is most similar to Dominique?
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's why
they drafted him, yes.  Obviously he's not playing like Dominique, but I think physically Dominique is the model for Thomas.

by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

off mark mostly
Dominique comparisions are offmark of course

but Tyrus might be the one Bull who is really explosive enough to attack the rim and score or draw a foul against anyone one on one ... unfortunately he is not there yet and has work to do with dribbling, footwork, etc. before he can really use all that athletism to its full potential

by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 7, 2007 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dominique hit
a modest percentage of his jump-shots, but around the basket he was incredibly athletic.  The only reason he ever did anything away from the basket was simply to create space to get near the basket, where he was unstoppable.  This, I believe, should be the blueprint for Thomas.

by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How about this one
To me, Tyrus most resembles (wait for it PaxJax) a young Robert Horry.  Great leaper and dunker.  Not much else (but Tyrus seems to be able to hit that jumper.)

Have you ever seen Dominique play other than in a highlight package?  Dominique was able to take people off of the dribble.  Tyrus isn't anywhere near there yet.  Although he did run a nice break last night.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To Me
Tyrus reminds me a young Amare, but with more shot blocking and leaping ability.  

by tyrus4prez on Nov 7, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're an SB Nation Bot
and historical comparisons make you reboot and post a default Robert Horry response.

The only thing I got out of the Wilkins comment was they both jump real high. I get the shoot jumpers to draw defenders out strategy, but that's just a poorly articulated version of the inside-out game every good scorer should have. Wilkins was shooting 4+ 3PA/40 for a good chunk of his career.

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 7, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you might like that
to me they both have one dimensional games.  You know who else could jump high?  Michael Jordan.  How about Charles Barkley.  But Dominique?
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How about...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2377~2381~1981~2435~885~110&teams=13~1 3~13~13~13~4&te=&cash=
With the first pick in the 2008 NBA draft the Chicago Bulls select Derrick Rose 6'4 guard Memphis bye bye Kirk!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 10:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on Nov 7, 2007 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

JoJo
D Rose looks amazing!
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on Nov 7, 2007 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It sucks
sucks cause those old slow starts, you can say we had excuses.

0-9 was Ben and Luol's rookie year

3-9 was a bunch of new faces and a tough opening month schedule.

0-4 this year? Uhh, the only thing I can think of is the Kobe distractions

by Option27 on Nov 7, 2007 11:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree
I seriously think all this bullshit Kobe talk has really affected some of the players on the Bulls...
And it may linger due to the fact that trade talks will probably come back in December...
youtube.com/angryasianace

by AngryAsianAce on Nov 7, 2007 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think so too.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 7, 2007 5:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding!
It wouldn't be so bad it had been just a couple names coming up in trade but with the Kobe trade most of the players on the team had their name brought up in one package or another.  Still shouldn't be an excuse, but it isn't like only Gordon had to wonder where he was going next.  Everyone felt a shake up happening.

by cranscape on Nov 7, 2007 5:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I finally watched the game on TIVO.
Jesus Christ, the guards were horrendous.

Just terrible.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 7, 2007 11:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh
The slow starts are really old by now.  What are other successful teams doing in the off-season or pre-season that Bulls don't do?

There were two perfect examples in that game showing why post scoring is important:

  1. Chris Kaman showed how you can get easy baskets during the flow of the game to loosen up the perimeter for the other players.  He didn't have a great game, but he certainly was effective with jump hooks and cleaning up some garbage.
  2. The end of the game, the Clips went to Mobley.  They dumped in to him and he burned Hinrich.  With the game tied at 89, they dumped it to him again.  Wallace came over way too early to double-team.  Mobley found Thomas (-puke-) who found Maggette for the wide open go-ahead 3 with 2:11 left.  Game over.
It doesn't need to be a big guy scoring in the post, but you need a player who can generate those chances close to the basket.
Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on Nov 7, 2007 12:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Last night
I thought Deng did a good job generating those chances down low early, but he just completely disappeared down the stretch. He basically kept them in the game in the first half while Mobley was tearing Kirk a new one. Where was he in the last four minutes? I don't know.

by CrashDavis on Nov 7, 2007 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are the Bulls viewed as a Talented Team?
Yes! Why? probably because many had them projected to win the Eastern conference before the season started.  Unrealistic projection?  Yes?  Why?

2006-07 5th seed, lost last game of the season missing 2nd seed and chance to 50 win games and then a chance to lose to an average NJ team in first round, yet won 1st round against a very weak Miami team, but lost miserably against an average Piston's team, no major changes in the team during off season, Captain and PG Hinrich actually slowing a deteriorating game.  60 million Wallace also declining fast.

But still, viewed by many as loaded with young talent or potential.

GM Paxson might be forced to do something?  If talent exists, why is it not being utilized?  Skiles at some point has to take responsibility, and stop blaming the team "our guys are not getting it done".

This slow motion offensive, with these young race horses (thomas, deng, sefo, noc, kirk, gardner, noah, viktor, curry, gordon) and even older athletic horses (wallace and smith) rarely get fast breaks or even break a sweat before being pulled out of the game.  

Seems to be a coaching philosophy not on par with the players talents.  A GM assemblance of talent under utilized by a coach.  A coach with no patience for young players making mistakes. A GM who builds a team's postion based on half players (for example Thabo's defense and Gordon's offense at the SG position or Wallace's defense and Smith's offense at the center position, Tyrus's defense and Noc's offense at the PF position), and a coach who is trying to play a bunch of half players at the same time in a slow motion offense.  Do half players work better in a faster offense? Didn't Phoenix have some interests in Tyrus at some point?

Now or later Paxson will either cut his loses with the coach or make another bad trade and the same problems will still exists.  Kobe+Skiles =  explosion in a bad way.  

At some point Paxson is accountable.  No excuse, there are some good coaches available, find the new blood in the coaching ranks.  Pull the trigger or have the trigger pulled.  How about 2 time NBA champion, 2 time WNBA Champion coach, chicago born and raised, the real bad boy, Bill Laimbeer?

 

by exult463 on Nov 7, 2007 12:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

haven't seen enough but get running
I haven't seen enough of the 4 games, really only saw vs NJ but if the Bulls aren't fast breaking then I would agree they need to RUN, RUN, RUN

The Bulls don't have a post game and they have a bunch of young players who should thrive in on fast breaks - Thomas, Deng, Thabo and even the shorter Kirk, Gordon, and Noc should get easier looks off fast or secondary breaks

although the problem may be in the rebounding, you need great rebounding to be a great fastbreaking team, most teams (Suns excluded) can't run off makes and you can't run if you are getting killed on boards

by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 7, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Master Plan
Like every other Bulls fan, I was all for the "Little Engine That Could" rebuilding plan, but there's a real lesson in last night's game regarding rebuilding plans. That the lesson is being taught by the team that was a perennial league doormat shows just how bad things have gotten.

Where the Bulls are drive-and-kick with smart players who have heart and character but lack athleticism, the Clippers have gone and done just the opposite:  stack your team with a bunch of guys who can hit jumpers from all over the floor. Damn practice habits (Tim Thomas). To hell with league reputations for not getting it done (Brevin Knight) or being overrated (Cuttino Mobley). It doesn't even matter if your coach hates you (Corey Maggette). For goodness sake, don't the Clippers even have someone on their roster who has to register as a sex offender or something (Ruben Patterson)?

Here's an idea:  stack your team with players who can put the ball in the bucket. The Clippers, like the Suns, Warriors, Jazz, Nuggets and even (you want me to say it? Fine) the Knicks are loaded for bear on the offensive end of the court. Watching the Clips take it to the good guys causes me to remember just for a second what it's like to see a team built to score. Time for rebuilding version 6.0?

by bullhockey on Nov 7, 2007 12:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Rebuild?
Can't agree.  Skiles decided to switch Hinrich off of Cuttino late in the 4th qtr after taller Mobley has basically buried the Bulls, now Clippers are up by 4 or 5 points.  What is Skiles thinking of, or does he have a vendetta against Kirk?

Clippers didn't look so great, some say the Bulls played better compared to the first 3 games? Huh? They currently are lacking mental toughness and coaching effectiveness.  But these players (Bulls) are not that bad to even speak of rebuilding.

by exult463 on Nov 7, 2007 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't panic - - but
this year we have a soft start with NJ, Philly, Mil and LAC.  We could conceivably go 0 - 10 which may be a hole we cannot get out.  The largest chunk of our salary cap is taken by Ben Wallace. When healthy and playing well you can argue BW isn't worth almost 16 mil a year.  

However we do have our TT, Smith and Noah shows some pomise.  My concern is the large chunk of salary taken by BW.  If we are going no-where and he starts to play better BW may be someone you try, the key word is try to trade.  Hopefully we turn it around but who out there, who saw these first four games, truly believes we are going to beat Detroit and Toronto.  At best we go into the road trip 1 - 5.

by chgobr on Nov 7, 2007 1:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Joe Smith is
a huge upgrade over PJ.  The Bulls, personnel-wise, are better than last year.  Someone a bit earlier suggested a starting lineup with Deng, Thomas and Smith all in it, with Gordon running the point and Wallace at center...basically, shunting Hinrich to the bench.  I wouldn't mind seeing that group either, but I think it would be tough for Skiles to give the special brand of pleasure he apparently must be getting from Kirk.

by alec on Nov 7, 2007 1:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That and
that starting team would average 30 TO's per game.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 7, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with that lineup
is you move everyone out of position except Wallace and Smith. I know TT hit two 15 footers against Philly, but outside of that game he's something like 2-14 on the season and I'm pretty sure those 2 were uncontested dunks. I just see anyway he can play the 3 right now.

by CrashDavis on Nov 7, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's fair
to question what TT's real, long-term position will be.  I agree that he doesn't have a good enough midrange game right now to play SF full-time.  Clearly, he worked on it during the offseason, because he looks a lot more comfortable taking a jump shot this year as opposed to last.  But just as cearly, it's not there yet...nowhere near Deng's, for example.  I do think the Bulls' plan is to see TT, Noah and Deng all on the floor together.  

by alec on Nov 7, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really..
He's probably going to end up averaging 2-4 more points and rebounds.  Gordon can't run the point!!!!!! He doesn't know how to dribble with his head up. He doesn't know how to create shot for others, not that Hinrich is any better.  Smith should start for Thomas because he has no idea what is going on the floor. He's not in the right spots at certain times, he just looks lost.

by miserabull on Nov 7, 2007 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Personnel is the same
conservative crap we've been seeing for the last five years with "hard working successful college players who turn into mediocre nice citizen talent."  We could of gotten Zach Randolph who plays with his back to the basket!! Bulls are more concerned with their image and their homegrown players that are supposed to be "great."  When did Bulls fans turn into unknowledgeable Cubs fans?

by miserabull on Nov 7, 2007 11:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember John Kelly? Wow the good ol days!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_pKnFZsLTI
With the first pick in the 2008 NBA draft the Chicago Bulls select Derrick Rose 6'4 guard Memphis bye bye Kirk!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 5:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ummm...
I think it's a bit premature to be comparing Tyrus to Wilkins, or even Amare.

Problem is - at least in part - expectations.
A jump-shooting team with no inside premise and an undersized, over-paid, aging center.  
What exactly were you expecting them to do, and what lead you to those expectations?

by withmalice on Nov 7, 2007 10:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I made it clear
that I was only making a physical-athlete comparison.  Hscs got what I was saying.  If the Bulls want Thomas to develop they are going to have to find him appropriate coaching.  You think Pete Meyers can teach Tyrus ANYTHING about offensive basketball?

by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

excellent point
coaching staff for big men? heck for that matter for, a team?  Skiles is a sore!

by exult463 on Nov 8, 2007 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I know
That was always disappointing that we had 2 young guys out of high school who we essentially banked the last 6-7 years on (and are finally getting out from their cloud now that the Noah pick is done) and we never really had just a big man coach to help bring them along.  I know we had Cartwright, but he was focusing on the entire team.....it's funny when you see the Rockets hire Ewing to just work on Yao, that we decided we didn't need to do that with Eddy and Tyson and now might have the same thing with Tyrus and Noah.

Get rid of one of the other assistants and let's hire a big man coach who can work with our biggest shortfall---inside play.

by majoyenrac on Nov 8, 2007 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta say,
these new Skiles comments about Noah (from Fred Mitchel in the Tribune tonight)are just about the last straw for me.

"If I had just played my first pro game, I'd probably keep my mouth shut, to be honest with you," Skiles told reporters at the Berto Center.

He comes across as a hypocritical asshole.  All his and Paxson's talk about Noah being the voice the franchise has lacked...then as soon as he opens his mouth Skiles rips him for it in the media.  In my opinion, it's Skiles who's gotta watch what he says.  What a jerk!  

by alec on Nov 7, 2007 11:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Skiles loves playing the hard ass role.
Dude it's getting old atleast Noah says something of value or honesty other than the bs the other Bulls we just aren't making shots bullshit! I like what Noah said maybe the others on the team should think about it. This crap is getting old and their fucking it up for this city. Honestly I think Skiles act has worn thin. He's just too negative. He can't keep his fucking cool it's embarassing.
With the first pick in the 2008 NBA draft the Chicago Bulls select Derrick Rose 6'4 guard Memphis bye bye Kirk!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 7, 2007 11:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Skiles not only plays hard ass
but then he doesn't know when to cool it.
He's just assinine too frequently and with all the other BS going on, the team only having a ranting Skiles to look to doesn't help matters.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 8, 2007 12:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The real question for Bulls fans is...
Who are we gonna draft?

by Zac23 on Nov 8, 2007 10:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Deng
Deng had a 0 +/- rating for the game.  This is perhaps the most boring statistic possible.  We lost the game by 6, though.

However, he played 44:53, all but 3:07 of the game.  In just over three minutes that he was on the bench, the Bulls scored zero points, and allowed 6 points which began a 12-0 run.

"You don't hesitate with Michael, or you'll end up on some poster in a gift shop someplace." -Felton Spencer, on Michael Jordan

by cubbybear on Nov 8, 2007 11:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

What's the difference
What's the difference between a steakhouse and the United Center?

One serves people steak, the other is filled with a bunch of dead Bulls.

by vlad001 on Nov 8, 2007 12:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gordon and inconsistency
Matt,

Just wondering if you could elaborate (maybe I've missed it in previous posts) on your comments about Ben Gordon's inconsistency issues.  I'm not sure I fully understood your comment about the issue of 'streak-shooting' being a misnomer, although I certainly buy the belief that you become a more complete player by learning to find other ways to get the ball in the hole, even when the bread and butter of your game isn't working.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Nov 9, 2007 2:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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