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Are the Bulls souring on Hinrich?

I hate to beat a dead horse but the play of Kirk Hinrich has declined ever since his USA team stint two summers ago. I don't know the reason why he can't stay in games but it's become a problem that A. he needs to figure out or B. they consider bringing him off the bench. Don't scoff! Or my favorite moving him. Like off the team.
Yes I think he's a fine person but this is beyond old. Why people adore Kirk Hinrich baffles me. Why people call Luol Deng the next great Bull is also a mystery to me but thats another story. The truth is Tyrus Thomas is and I would give up Deng or Kirk before I would trade Thomas. But back to Hinrich. Assuming the Kobe deal is dead I think the Bulls need to pinch out Hinrich and see what his value might be on the market. The Bulls may need to look at other options at the point. If things don't change with Hinrich they must look to move him. He kills the team offensively and it seems he's not the same player he was his rookie season.

 November 8, 2006 Skiles on Hinrich

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20061108/ai_n16827106

"It's something he's struggled with throughout his career so far," Skiles said. "One thing we've tried to get him to understand is there's always one foul that is a silly one. [Monday] night, it was his first one. [Michael] Redd was running away from the goal, and Kirk tried to deny him the ball and picked up his first.

Maybe it's the way his body moves in a crowd that makes the refs call fouls on him.......I don't know. I just know it's not working.

How about college?

"Obviously, I'm real happy that we won," he said after the Jayhawks hung on to beat the Illini 73-69.

He wasn't, however, real happy with the way he played. That quick 3-pointer? It was his only basket of the night, a night filled with foul trouble and a lot of time on the bench.

"I was just over there cheering," he said. "Obviously, I was ticked off, I'm not going to lie to you. But I can't sit over there and pout."

That extra adrenaline quickly got Hinrich into foul trouble, however, a nightmarish reminder of last year's game when Illinois won 80-64. This one had a similar script for Hinrich but a happier ending.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20020323/ai_n11777152

Hmmmmmm a theme?

last seasons playoffs.

It demonstrated the Bulls could win when not playing their best. Kirk Hinrich had a horrible day, yet the Bulls won with Thabo Sefolosha d-ing up Dwyane Wade.

What are ya going to do? Ignore it like everyone else.

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Well...
he does suck at the game of basketball.

by Chad on Nov 3, 2007 3:58 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to say..
Phily is a nice athletic team that can board. I could see them in the 7th or 8th spot. Rodney Carney had some nice pay back shots for the Bulls. Whatever happened to Sefo? Yikes I guess thats what you get for being a tool. No PT. What a shame he was one of my favorites last season. Oh well.
Hey Luol see man and ball dude!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 3, 2007 4:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man I'm watching the game here again.....
Loul and BG blew it man.

BG falls for a pump fake and the lanes open like the red sea.
Down by 7 Deng one on one with AI2 and he pulls up and passes it to BG who blows a forced lay up. Yeah you want more money. Some people are getting big heads.

Hey who let Danny Crawford back in the league?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 3, 2007 4:22 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

between this
and Iowa losing to NU later this afternoon, Sue's head might explode.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 3, 2007 9:24 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Loul
struggles when he has to go 1 on 1. No speed. Hinrich just sucks. He always misses freethrows in the 4th qtr. Can't break anybody down, just slow. Can't hit open jumpers. Trade him to L.A.

by chris44 on Nov 3, 2007 9:44 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JoeJoe
this is one of your better efforts, and for once not a completely disjointed ranting. I'm not kidding.

I mean, I don't agree with it at all, but at least it was readable.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2007 10:06 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't remember all this hate towards Kirk
Last season, All I remember was Sue's love for him.  

But anyways Kirk does foul on a high rate he was 14th last season in fouls per game, But if you look at the adjusted numbers of fouls per/48 Kirk ranks as249 out of  458.

Garbage-Time: We think Kobe would look good in red .

by Wade.Jones on Nov 3, 2007 11:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wasn't here last year
to even out the love/hate.

I have alway hated Hinrich.

by Chad on Nov 3, 2007 11:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a feeling
you won't be around this season if you keep up the h--e.

by hscs on Nov 3, 2007 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least Tyrus looks improved
Chad so far is nothing but a smacktard.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 3, 2007 12:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very productive
just cause I don't live in your little hive mind bulls world, doesn't mean what I say isn't valid.

All I see here are parrots who think that the Bulls are a Championship team as is.

Bring on Kobe.

by Chad on Nov 3, 2007 4:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*cough*
Bring on Kobe!  Bring on Kobe!  Crackers!  Squawk!

Nah, no parrots around here, Chad.  :)  

Did Kobe's parrot get loose?    

by cranscape on Nov 5, 2007 10:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He got his share at times
There was a period, I think around the beginning of January, when he wasn't playing very well and there was a lot of talk of getting rid of him.  Then he started playing better and someone else took their turn sucking and getting slammed.  I assume it will be the same this season.
"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 3, 2007 12:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ben Gordon
I think Hinrich is a pretty good point guard and, other then the fouls, a great defender.  I know Ben Gordon doesn't play defense all too well, but I HATE  it when everyone blames Hinrich's propensity to foul on Gordon's lack of defenseive "prowess."  There are plenty of backcourts that have one good defender and one bad one, and they seem to do fine (I am thinking of the suns). Hinrich's fouling issues also bring more Duhon, which everyone here hates but tends to place the blame on gordon or Skiles.  Duhon is the only other player on the team that can comfortably run the point (Gordon is working on it and I have never seen Thabo do a good job on it). When Hinrich picks up two fouls in the first 3-4 minutes, and the bulls are struggling, it is hard not to bring Duhon into the game.

by Sambossanova on Nov 3, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Real essence of Skiles's comment
from the article joejoeEnglish identified ... (it backs all of my assumption the organization has towards Kirk)

"Skiles said Hinrich was not getting the same leeway from officials last year that a veteran of his stature should receive".

Is this Skiles typical sarcasam or does he believe his own statement?

News flash! Bulls announce that Kirk Hinrich jersey will be retired along side Sloan, Love, Pippen and Jordan.  This will represent the first time in Bulls history, or NBA history, that an active player's jersey will be retired and honored.  

This Bulls elevation circus of Kirk is out of control, and Captain Kirk is beyond reproach or correction!

Interesting point of the article is this situation also existed in Kansas, probably in H.S. also.  Typical H.S workshipped Jock.  Wow, I wonder how far is has penetrated this kids mind and how spoiled rotten this kid really is?

Insider video of Kirk versus Skiles in closed training camp session;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWkZ_StRjU0

Now when I think about it.  It doesn't seem as Skiles is the type to buy into this BS, Kirk must have an untouchable unwritten clause support from Paxson?  It seems as if Skiles really only coaches Duhon at the PG position?  and Kirk knows it all other than minor instructions, if Skiles wants to keep his job?  Skiles only sits Kirk down for foul angry management issues, but never when he hoist up unwise 3pt missing shots in critical game situations, as he does with everyone else.

This is the reason Skiles plays Duhon so much, Du is his trump card towards Paxson.

This is so sicking to continue to watch.  Who needs Kobe, we have him already, masked in a good ol america boy image, minus the talent level.

by exult463 on Nov 3, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ummm yea
Hinrich sucks!  not too much of a drop off between Kirk and Du (and DU is terrible).  I sure hope Kirk is included in the deal for Kobe which will probably happen mid december when Noc and/or Smith can be included.  

Kirk is definitely not worth the money he is being paid.  Ben Gordon is much more valuable to the Bulls than Kirk.  Without BG's jumper the Bulls are the worst team in the league.  I mean it is cool having a white pg with skiles as our coach, but get over it.  Eventually BG will be our point and we will have a big 2 guard.

BG
KOBE
DENG
THOMAS
NOAH

trade kirk and Ben Wallace for Kobe (keep the dream alive)

by Zac23 on Nov 4, 2007 12:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

add noc
and that trade might get done

by Zac23 on Nov 4, 2007 12:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If it's between Noch and Tyrus yeah
damn hate to see Noch go but how about Sefo? Wallace, Hinrich,Sefo,Duhon.....but if they don't play better their trade value is crap.
Hey who let Danny Crawford back in the league?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 4, 2007 2:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrus Thomas was a mistake...
... look at LaMarcus Aldridge. Aldridge is EXACTLY what we are missing right now. Unfortunately, Pax and Skiles f**$ed this one up...

by Vangelis on Nov 5, 2007 5:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aldridge has better numbers.
But, that team is empty. TT would have the same numbers if he was on the Blazers. The bulls have many scoring options than the Blazers currently do., and TT has to share.

Yes, Aldrige is the amazing. But the Bulls and Blazers aren't equal.

Start duhon! Start duhon. Duhon for president.

by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 5, 2007 10:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't taunt me :)
I like Aldridge too (though I hope people realize he's another jump shooter as of now), it's still very early to start picking side.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 10:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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