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Mejia piles on Hinrich at Sportsline

Tony Mejia recently joined the crowd of people who took notice of Hinrich's absence in the Atlanta game and Skiles' postgame quote:

"We had some really quality point guard play there for about eight minutes or so and our offense looked really good," Skiles said in appreciation of the work backup Chris Duhon did in the second half of a 90-78 Bulls victory.

Mostly he rehashes Kirk's current shooting percentages, offers some obvious qualitative remarks about defense, and bring's up the blown 2-on-0 break from the Atlanta game.

He does have one opinion I'd not seen mentioned before:

It's almost as if he came back a different player after removing his name from consideration for this summer's FIBA Americas Tournament U.S. squad. ... Whatever Hinrich's reasoning, he missed out on keeping his game in rhythm and the Bulls have been worse off for it.

And here I thought a rested Kirk Hinrich would be better for the Bulls...

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Am I the only one
who doesn't see Hinrich as the only person at fault in that blown fast break?  Kidd and Nash make plays like that all the time and nobody says anything about them.  If Noah was running all out on the break instead of just jogging we wouldn be talking about an awesome play and not about how much Hinrich sucks.  

by upther on Nov 29, 2007 3:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering about that too
I was gonna make a diary about what people thought about that play, but scrapped the idea.

I know that during the play, tom dore, red kerr, and king were saying that hinrich was trying to be unselfish, and that noah should have been there. However, in the postgame comments it seemed like norm, and kendall were calling it a bad move on kirk.

I discussed this with a friend of mine who is pretty neutral and he came to the conclusion that it was hinrichs fault because hinrich had more responsibility on that play...let me explain:

Hinrich was leading the break, now noah should have run all the way with hinrich, that is a basic thing to do on a fast break, and noah should have ran all the way to the rim, just as a precaution. So noah is at fault for not running all the way. However, hinrich had alot more options than noah, hinrich could have scored, thus have been responsible for himself, or b) he could have passed and thus was responsible for the ball and the pass. Hinrich therefore had more responsibility on that play, and thus gets more blam than noah. He should have just did the layup, but if he wanted to pass it he should have looked to see where noah was, and then fed a pass that would make it to noah...if you watch the replay noah just misses the pass.

My take on the play is this, two points are two points for the team. I dont think hinrich scoring those two points would be selfish at all, sure rewarding the rookie would be nice, and having noah dunk that ball would have lit up the U.C., but in the end that play would have given us 2 points that at the time were needed. In that sense i think hinrich is at fault for overthinking in that situation.

I imagine in the locker room skiles probably gave a lecture about running fast breaks, and then looked straight at hinrich and gave a lecture about taking layups when they are completely uncontested.

I think hinrich's intentions were wrong, but aside from that he made too many mistakes, he has always lacked a certain ammount of skills that stars have but has always showed a ton of determination, court savvy, and a complete understanding of the fundamentals and doing the little things. Thats his reputation, that makes him great. He seems to have lost those "abilities", and isnt playing with that huge b-ball iq he has. As a hinrich fan, its quite a sad ordeal. I would rather see him on the court doing those little things, rather than have a great stat line (although doing the little things would probably give him a nice stat line anyway)

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Nov 29, 2007 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think
Hinrich was completely blameless in the situation because he should have gone for the layup himself.  You can clearly see him looking back and clearly see that Noah wasn't prepared at the time so Kirk should have known better.  I just find it strange that Kirk is the only one receiving the blame for that play.  

by upther on Nov 29, 2007 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kirk said
after the game that he thought he heard Joakim yell his name so he was going to let the rook get the slam. Kirk also said it wouldn't happen again and he took full blame for it.
Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Nov 29, 2007 4:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2-10 vs. 10-2
I haven't thought much about the play and didn't see it.  I pretty much accepted it as Kirk's fault based on what I've read here and in the Trib.

That Kirk is recieving the brunt of the criticism for that play is because the Bulls were 2-10 at the time and Krik is playing way below expectations.  Were the Bulls 10-2 and Kirk playing well, this would be written off as Kirk trying to get the rookie a big dunk.

That's probably also the difference between Nash doing it on the Suns and Kirk doing it on the Bulls.  Winning makes everything better.

Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on Nov 29, 2007 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought so too
since Noah should have been running behind him in case he missed the layup.  Especially since nothing seems to be falling for Kirk these days!

by Jaina on Nov 29, 2007 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It was on both ATH and PTI yesterday...
The guys on ATH split 2-2 on whether it was more on Hinrich or Noah, and at least part of the rationale for the 2 putting it on Hinrich was that he needs to be selfish and get an easy basket when he's been shooting so poorly.  The other 2 put it on Noah not running the break and being ready for the pass.

PTI guys both put it on Noah and felt Hinrich did the right thing in trying to reward Noah's efforts on the other end.

Don't remember which show, or if it was somewhere else, but someone also said they not only like Hinrich being unselfish on the break, but also thought he showed nice leadership in taking the blame for it not working.

I suppose it's like any play - they're only "good" when they work.

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Nov 29, 2007 5:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting bit
from Bill Simmons, years ago.

I know, he's annoying ... but I still thought of this when I saw the play:

"Point Guard X gets a steal and finds himself on a two-on-none breakaway with one of his teammates for a free basket. If he doesn't give the freebie to his teammate, he's not a true point guard. Period. "

by Bayern Munich on Nov 30, 2007 12:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich's fault
Totally and completely Hinrich's fault.  He is leading the break, and he passes the ball BACKWARDS and it hits Noah's ankles.

There is a very easy way to make that play.  If Hinrich just bounces the ball straight down, Noah runs up, grabs it, dunks it.  Easy play.  Hinrich's mistake was passing the ball backwards and passing the ball low.  The instinct to pass is fine.  It was just poorly executed on Hinrich's part.

Haiku strike is OVER. Crystal ball foresees strong January to right ship and put Bulls over .500. Is crystal ball smoking crack?

by preverbal on Nov 30, 2007 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
The instinct to pass in that situation is perfectly fine and, for unselfish players, normal even.  It just was not a good pass and Noah was not really close enough, in my opinion, when the pass was made.  That play just sums up how careless he has been with the ball this season.  Forget about his awful shooting.  He is averaging almost 4 turnovers per game.  I think whatever injury he had to his hand is affecting him a lot more than he's letting on.  

by bigballa10 on Nov 30, 2007 4:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He has it
taped all the time so I wonder if it isn't bothering him too.
Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Nov 30, 2007 4:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BLAH
Hinrich didnt throw the ball at his ankles, he basically began doing the pass at the same time that he looked behind himself. He saw noah was WAY back, and so he threw this sort of half heartedly. It was like he started the pass and realized that he shouldnt, but oh too late..
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Nov 30, 2007 5:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good team play by Kirk.
Bad execution. Does his "It won't happen again" mean he'll make a better pass (by looking first?) and reward the guy who caused the TO, or that he won't share the ball, taking it himself?

by marionette on Dec 1, 2007 12:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just figure Kirk should
Have at least given it more than a microsecond's look before deciding to pass it off. Especially in a (then)close game and the team struggling mightily.

by bleargh on Nov 29, 2007 11:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I actually heard a lot of blame toward Noah
I didn't see the game, but I saw the play and immediately blamed Hinrich.  Then I heard one of the guys on ESPN talking about how Noah should have run harder and been there in case Kirk missed the layup.  A lot of callers on talk radio were blaming Noah as well.  Again, I only saw the clip, but based on the amount of the clip that I saw, I will say that yes Noah should have run harder in case Kirk missed, but it looked to me like Kirk flipped the pass back and Noah wasn't even at the free throw line yet.  Why throw a pass back that far when he was almost at the rim already?  

by bigballa10 on Nov 30, 2007 4:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

sorry i've been absent
but it's hinrich's fault through and through. In a tight game, where your team is struggling, and you have been shooting piss poor, you always take the easy lay up - had the bulls been up in the teens, and an average record or avg kirk shooting, then u do the highlight reel pass

by milesgmsu on Dec 3, 2007 10:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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