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Open Game Thread #11: Bulls at New York Knicks

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[Thanks to Big D for today's game thread. -Matt]

The Bulls will get to face a team even more screwed up than they are when they take on the Knicks in a rare Saturday matinée (12:00 Central, WGN).

There's really nothing to say about the Knicks' problems that hasn't already been said, so I'll stick to discussing their on-court performance.  So far this season, the Knicks have had two main problems: they're a very poor defensive team, and they play selfishly.  They're 26th in the league in Defensive Efficiency, and next-to-last in Assist Ratio.  Neither stat is surprising considering their roster - Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, and Stephon Marbury are terrible defenders and black holes on offense.  As bad as the Bulls have shot so far this season, they should get plenty of open looks against this team, and eventually you'd have to think some of those shots will start falling.

There's been a lot of criticism of Scott Skiles on here lately, and while I agree with a lot of it, I'm not ready to say he should be fired just yet.  As frustrating as the rotations have been at times, they haven't lost because Tyrus Thomas hasn't played enough minutes, or because Andres Nocioni or Adrian Griffin have played too much.  They've lost because they've shot terribly, Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon in particular.  It seems unfair to blame Skiles for their shooting woes.  Hinrich and Gordon aren't going to continue shooting 34% and 37% respectively (and if they do, the Bulls are screwed anyways), so why not wait until they start hitting some shots to fully evaluate Skiles' performance?

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Luol Deng will reportedly be a game-time decision, and the Bulls are considering inserting Joe Smith in the starting lineup in place of Nocioni.  Getting Deng back would be nice, but even without him the Bulls shouldn't be losing to teams like the Knicks.  Hopefully Gordon will enjoy going back to his old stomping grounds and will finally hit some shots.  At the very least, though, it should be interesting to see if certain players enjoyed the NYC nightlife a little bit too much.

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Damn
you don't waste time.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 23, 2007 10:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

thank god it's on so early.
Knicks and Bulls on a Saturday night not good.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 12:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow at 7:15 am the the Score is talking Bulls.
He's saying what I have said even if this team comes back to be good they just don't have what it takes to win the whole damn thing. I can tell when he's rubbing his eyes.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 7:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If
the Bulls don't win today then there are no answers for this team.
Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Nov 24, 2007 9:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I know how much we want to win today.
You know how much I want to beat the Knicks.  It would not shock me if we lost. The way we are playing it would surprise me if we won.  We have the  worst point differential in the NBA -9.8 espn.  This is worse than Minnesota, Seattle and the Knicks at -8.6.  The Knicks are also desperate for a win. The "boos" and "fire Isiah" chants cascading down from the upper levels of the Garden may motivate them.  Considering the way we have been playing we could be the perfect patsy for them to get a win.  Despite the chants for his removal, Isiah Thomas thinks he will last the whole season NY Daily New - Lawrence.

Blog-a-Bull is bursting with angst, anger and suggestions as a result of the Bulls putrid play.  I am at a loss to explain the lack of energy, the inability to complete and the overall miserable play of the Bulls.  Despite this I will be glued to the TV, watching the Blog-a-Bull Diary, hoping this game makes us smile.

by chgobr on Nov 24, 2007 9:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wallace suffered an injury at the season's start,
and Deng suffered an injury soon thereafter.  Not many teams could survive injuries that effectively took out their two best players, and the Bulls are more vulnerable than most, since they don't really have a third great player.   I'm hoping that soon the Bulls will be back to full strength and we will see if they can get on course.  

However I find it disturbing that Thomas is in Skiles' doghouse.  If Thomas deserves it, then that is not good.  If Thomas does not deserve it, that is also not good.  The future of this team rests on Wallace retaining his ability, Deng developing his ability, and finding a third great player.  So far the Bulls have had setbacks in all three areas, but it's a long season.

by Tim S. on Nov 24, 2007 10:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

HSCS
Did you reading in that article about adjusted +- being updated during the season? Have you seen anywhere (whether the original site or someone who is trying to mimic it) that has had any updated +- stats yet? Just curious.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2007 11:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

basketballvalue.com
may have adjusted +/- at some point this season.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 24, 2007 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not 100% sure
I'm not a huge stathead, but I think it's +/- adjusted for pace of the game, the lineups on the floor, and so forth. I could be wrong, though.

by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

explanation
http://www.82games.com/ilardi1.htm

It's like the on court/off court +/- rating, only it's adjusted for teammates and competition.

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 24, 2007 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!
League Pass has Breen/Frazier. So much better than the Bulls guys...

by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 12:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Red on Q
"He looks about 20 pounds overweight..."
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 24, 2007 12:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the Knicks
really want to give the Bulls good looks.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 24, 2007 12:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The only offensive threat we have is Gordon
and he will be shut down when the Knicks figure this out.  

by chgobr on Nov 24, 2007 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If they can't
beat this terrible team, I won't know what to think. Smith had a wide open lane but took (and missed) a 11ft jumper instead. Ya gotta go inside if ya can when Curry and Zach are in!

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 12:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich should try going to the basket.
The Knick inside defense is non-existent.  If Hinrich misses another jump shot I will scream.  

by chgobr on Nov 24, 2007 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To his credit
I dont think hes playing that bad....

just missed a couple open shots

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

at least he's getting his assists
I'd rather see him pass it is he can't score
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 12:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich has totally lost his confidence.
this is where Skiles should figure out a way to get him back on track.  That is what a coach is supposed to do.

by chgobr on Nov 24, 2007 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or was that Wayne?
:-)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That ball movement that ended with Noc getting
fouled looked so good. Lets hope they can start to pull away here.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 12:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice job by Duhon
good feed to Noah. Keep the ball moving and the easy buckets will be there.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 12:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I thought he traveled
starting the drive (Duhon).

Bulls better start winning, or I could see them losing their rep w/ refs on interior D. They've not been getting much favor so far in this game...

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow Duhon
were you out late last night?

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 12:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've waited
for the Thomas/Noah combo for a while...

Really curious to see this

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 12:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We are pathetic.
Despite the Knicks woes we may lose this by 20

by chgobr on Nov 24, 2007 12:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes he is.
Also not doing the simple things right is, like passing, example an inbound pass.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I really
don't think you can judge this whole team without Deng though.

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They were losing with Deng playing
although they do play a little better...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe if I CLICK my heels 3 times........
Duhon will disappear!
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 24, 2007 12:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Noah
I swear to everyone here....the guy changes games single handedly

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 12:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like him a lot
He is doing a lot of good things out there. I also like Tyrus/Noah up there.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Turnovers...
Two worst teams in NBA are playing

by Azabullsfan on Nov 24, 2007 12:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He has 2 points in this game
I think it was in the first. He has 0 assists and 2 turnovers with 2 points and 3 rebs. Not great stats.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He has 2 points in this game
I think it was in the first. He has 0 assists and 2 turnovers with 2 points and 3 rebs. Not great stats.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bah sorry about double post
Hinrich is also shooting 1-6

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Multiple times already this season
we've heard 1-6 shooting for Kirk....before Skiles sits him down.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Duhon with a 3
but not much else. Still, they only have 24 (now27) pts. You have to treasure each one, it seems...

When Kirk hit the floor on back to back possesions with belly flops, I said "he looks like he's hung-over. Or still drunk."

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

whats
The score? Can't get to a tv or radio

by Blacknight23 on Nov 24, 2007 12:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Stop passing up open jumpers!
I don't care if they miss em but you can't get outta your game

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 12:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tyrus Thomas Interview
on NBA.com. I accessed it by going going to the scoreboard and then clicking on "watch Highlights". http://www.nba.com/games/20071124/CHINYK/boxscore.html The interview starts at 26:05 and goes for over four minutes.

I had never seen nor heard him speak, so this was interesting for me.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2007 12:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Right now, the Bulls are the worst team in the league. This first half has been the sorriest performance I have seen in the NBA this year. The Knicks are a terrible team playing poorly (shooting under 40%, 55% from the line) and they are up 12. Sure, Deng is out, but even with him back it will be a long climb out of the cellar.

by pguilian on Nov 24, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a joke
I am going in the swimming pool. Be back after half time.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 1:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Whatever happened
to us being a "shooting team"?

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 1:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

us being a "shooting team"?
They DO shoot....
They just miss is all...     :-)

(sigh)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Man we look terrible
There is no way we should be down by ten. Hell put in Aaron Gray
TMD- Boiler Up!

by TMD on Nov 24, 2007 1:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

NY up 10pts with 37
and  the ball w/ 2:24 to go in 1st half. And the Bulls may not get to 37 'til midway thru the 3rd, the way it's going...

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 1:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Same old
shitty shooting Bulls. Can't blame the Knick defense either. They are th worst defensive team in the league. 27 % from the field.

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 24, 2007 1:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Knicks poor FT-shooting in 1st
is keeping this from being a full-fledged blowout. Not that I have any faith the Bulls will make a second-half comeback.

by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 1:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Classic BG this year....
last shot in the Q....dribbles it and attacks down the lane...
turns it over and NY runs it down and scores with the Bulls fouling...

Classic...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm stretching here
but I'm pullin a Rasheed

The Bulls are gonna win this game

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 1:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

LOL! Right on Opt....
Can't damn ya for your loyalty.   :-)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not loyalty
It's a fact...

They're gonna win.

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If they do, I'll buy you a beer
But if they don't, you gotta buy ME one.

Deal?   :-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if they win
So what?The way they're playing,Toronto gonna kick
their asses by 45 point tommorow!

by Azabullsfan on Nov 24, 2007 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They certainly should win
I think it will turn around here also. Grey got a minute there, and the Bulls scored, so his +/- will be better than most. Red was callin' for him to shoot it over a double team, HA!

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's the story on Deng's back?
Does he have a history of back problems?  
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 1:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Does he have a history of back problems?
Yeah....it started this year...    
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought.
There's almost no reason to hang onto a guy with back problems.  I'm thinking of Joe Crede, for example.  They can be great, but they're hard to depend on because you never know when they could go down, or for how long.  A fucked-up back is a bad deal for an athlete.
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is
Fucking unreal!Why are they doing this to us?

by Azabullsfan on Nov 24, 2007 1:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bad enough that they're losing big again,
but did the guys have to pull a half like this on Thanksgiving weekend when I've got a house full of people giving me crap about it?

I'm trying to imagine ways it could get worse, just to emotionally prepare myself.

(still hoping for a win, though)

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Nov 24, 2007 1:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

At least my family is supportive
It is the Bulls that are killing me.

by chgobr on Nov 24, 2007 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

house full of people giving me crap
Don't know which is worse...
My wife won't even watch with me anymore, and my cats run away 'cause I'm screamin' at the TV so much!  LOL
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see the TOR or DEN blowouts
but this is some of the worst BB ever played! It seems twice as bad as the MIL game, when the Bull defense seemed responsible for the Bucks futility, at least.

Can't believe there are only 10 turnovers, because they are blatant, retarded ones when that've occured. Even Red said "They're just handing the ball to them!"

If they play this bad against TOR, it could be a record setting loss.

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 1:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Barf city.
Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Nov 24, 2007 1:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Pukeage
Kinda makes the sig a little more relevant, eh Suze?   :-)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IT's time the Bulls realized there is only one
"go to guy" on their team, Tyrus Thomas. He is a stud and needs to be fed like the beast he is. Skiles has to chill on this kid and let him develope. The rest of the Bulls feed off of his energy. Let's get our house in order. If Lamarcus (cant jump) Aldridge is carrying Portland, Tyrus can carry the Bulls. And if he doesn't carry them at least there will be a few highlights.

by philosoball on Nov 24, 2007 1:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

wow
Sue u made me glad I couldn't watch the game. Is it everyone playing terribly no bright spots.

by Blacknight23 on Nov 24, 2007 1:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

no bright spots
There's one:
The Knicks look just as bad as the Bulls....(even though they ARE winning)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The bottom has fallen out
when BG misses a LAY-UP for cryin' out loud...
ugh...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And next posession
BG shoots a total brick...
So he's layin' bricks, MISSING lay-ups, and turning it over in the lane...

wow.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WOW
Tyrus...woo!

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 1:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe everyone should stop shooting
and feed it to Tyrus...(semi-seriously)
I mean, what ELSE have they got to lose?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what they are doing
off of the front of the rim...
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

off of the front of the rim
Haha
He does like to fly...   :-)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everything the Bulls shoot is short.
These guys have to start lifting weights.

by philosoball on Nov 24, 2007 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

nice little pass
crawford to curry
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If I was NY
I would play Hinrich like Wallace....just keep giving him open shots

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well
if you did? if you were NY then who would you double on?

Or would you just take a break and go over to the bench and speak with the coach or just go stand underneath the basket for the rebound.

by exult463 on Nov 24, 2007 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
Curry would go get a snack with Zach

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HEY! BG hit a 3!
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Seems like the lop-sided NY to Bulls free throws
are the difference in this game...?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wallace
having a great game

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 1:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

remember when Eddy Curry
came out of high school, the story was he could do a standing back flip.  Now, about 100 lbs heavier, he's getting his shot blocked in the lane by a guy half a foot shorter with plantar fasciitis.
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 1:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

don't get me wrong. I still love him.
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lottery magic...
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lottery magic...
Which sadly to this point, hasn't been able to produce anything substantial because it's being wasted by bad coaching....
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Careful...
I got flamed for saying something similar earlier this year.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That layup for BG
should do wonders for his confidence.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 1:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

jeffries might be
isiah's worst signing
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 1:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

After NY's last game against DT
Frazier said that's what Isiah was hoping for when he signed Jeffries. His magical line? 6 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 assists. Wowie zowie

by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But he can
"D" Gordon. Really, BG one on one? Against a good, bigger defender to end the Q AGAIN?

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BG one on one to end the Q...
One would think that's all Skiles knows how to draw up...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok boys
1 quarter

Ben Gordon time

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 1:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hope you're right
But with 4 fouls and shooting like he is, I fear this will be one of the first games in NY where BG goes away....quietly...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow - top assist guy so far?
Noc, the black hole.

You know they're not playing well when Noc is top guy with 2 and the entire team only has 8 assists through 3 quarters.  (To go with those 13 TOs)

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Nov 24, 2007 1:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It looks like Skiles is making a
commitment to Tyrus Thomas...at least for one game.  I think, if not for foul trouble, Tyrus would have played a lot more today.
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 1:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Knicks or the Bulls
will get a win against bad team today. Big Deal!

by exult463 on Nov 24, 2007 2:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

slimmest of margins!
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 24, 2007 2:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wallace has had
a couple nice tips like that today
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 2:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If we win
it's just bc of NOC!

by Azabullsfan on Nov 24, 2007 2:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

At least Duhon can get
close enough to attempt one...
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 2:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to Noc?
I was out of the room...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Eddie Curry punched him in the face.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But Curry was ejected for being fat.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No...it was Randolph
I just saw the replay
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

These have to be the two
worst teams in the league. I'm pretty sure.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Flop city
Sefos back!
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sefo with a big shot
in crunch time.  That's nice to see.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 2:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sefo with a big shot
in crunch time.  That's nice to see.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 2:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call anything against the Knicks
crunch time.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

noah has an ugly jumper
but sefolosha's line drive shot is pretty close.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 24, 2007 2:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ben Gordon is awesome.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wait Sefo is lost again.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

whatever a 'soft touch' is
Thabo doesn't have it.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 24, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BG on Marbury
is looking like a mismatch.  Especially if BG isn't scoring.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 2:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He keeps
shading/ over playing for the screen that Starbury doesn't need to use it. He's left wide open.

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 2:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is bad they can't even beat the fucking
Knicks!
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Take out Sefolosha
Bring in Smith or Tyrus

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 2:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thabo should be playing in mop duty only.
He's not better then Gardner or Curry so he shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup.

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 24, 2007 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yahoo is screwed up
Maybe they know something

by boerwinkle on Nov 24, 2007 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that threw me off
Cuz I was watching it on my yahoo fantasy thing and I thought it was over so I started to watch college football but then came back and saw it was on.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 2:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just goes to show
how over rated stats can be...    :-)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where was Kobe on that?
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Marbury standing next to BG
Marbury dwarfs him.
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 2:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

never thought of Marbury as being tall
And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 24, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

These are pro basketball plaers
right? AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH Number one pick here we come!
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

They must
know Zach is lefty, no?

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 2:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

AhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaHaaaaaaaaaa
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

paging SVG
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 24, 2007 2:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why even draw a play up?
They can't shoot! I would draw up make a fucking shot! Then show it to them.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What the fuck
Hinrich hits nothing on an open 3

I give up

I tried to light a spark with a guarantee but nothing works.

2-9?! Who would have thunk it

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 2:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll take a Heineken...
when you get a minute...    :-)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

done...
I'm so hating life

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too my friend....
at least we can cry in our beers together...  :-)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Noah looks pissed!
Damn how did I not let the Bucks draft me!
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

More typical play by the Bulls
They even got it TIED late in the 4th....then can't seal the deal.

AND we got to see BG turn it over in the lane AGAIN, with ensign Kirk getting it back and throwing up a 3 pt. airball...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You need big baskets
So who takes the closing shots? Heinrich and Sefolosha???? Ugh. At least let Nocioni give it a go, seeing as how he's the only one hitting shots this quarter.

by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 2:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what
my dad and I were saying.

by Jaina on Nov 24, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure which is worse
the blowouts or the ones where they give us hope then blow it late.

The blowouts are painful, but kind of numbing.  The blow-it-lates are just plain sadistic.

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Nov 24, 2007 2:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No!
This is not hope.Nor would it have been.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify
I meant hope for the specific game, not anything more than that.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Nov 24, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The blow-it-lates are just plain sadistic
Nothing new though...
If you remember last year when the Bulls sucked, they would blow it late in the games then as well.

I'm vividly (and painfully) remembering going up 18 pts. on NJ - TWICE IN A ROW within the same week even - only to blow it and lose.

Ouch.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but that one NJ loss
they were up 18-0.  so that wasn't blowing it late.. it was blowing it early.

by Jaina on Nov 24, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bulls are so small.
They look smaller when they lose!
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

what's worse
is they are going to foul and stretch the last 14 seconds to 10 minutes, giving joejoe time to post at least two more times...
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 2:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't be a post Nazi!
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This team doesn't care!
Wow! This is all fucked up! They just walked off the court like lets go get dinner!
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Foul trouble
Skiles did keep putting him back in, and every time seemed like he got called for a quick one.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Nov 24, 2007 2:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This clearly was THE worst game in the NBA
this year so far...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't see how Paxson stands pat
and watches this team underachieve all year. He says he evaluates the team daily, well I hope you're done evaluating Pax...WE NEED CHANGES NOW!

by Option27 on Nov 24, 2007 2:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is the worst I've felt since they broke
up the Bulls after winning in 1998.  The season is ruined.  I have no clue on how to make this team better for the 2008-2009 season.  Boston is going to win or be in the finals for the NBA championship the next three years. We are pathetic.

by chgobr on Nov 24, 2007 2:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If we can't shoot
Well, they can't defend either. So that complicates things....
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 24, 2007 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They would have won this game
if Luol played. But still, this was a winnable game without him. What is wrong with Hinrich and Gordon's jumpshot? Why they fuck do they both have to be so bad at the same time?

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 24, 2007 2:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

11 more fouls called on us
than NY.  do we really foul that much??

by Jaina on Nov 24, 2007 2:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The league is prejudiced. They don't want
teams winning with tough defense. The Bulls may need to forget all the cliches about defense winning chips and go for some scorers.

by philosoball on Nov 24, 2007 2:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

except teams that play good defense
win the Finals most of the time.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 24, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What!
Listen the Bulls suck! Plain and simple.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I the team is dejected.
I don't think the trends of the pst few years will hold up! This team has accepted losing. Did you see them walk off the court? Skiles has lost this team. Luol Deng took himself out of the line up and Skiles didn't even know he made those comments? He's done! This team needs to be restructrued.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ship
all guards on this team to mexico and get 6 more from the developmental league.

by exult463 on Nov 24, 2007 2:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Losing Eddy Curry set the Bulls back about 5
years. Now we have to wait for Tyrus and Noah to turn into all-stars. By that time Wallace will be too old. That makes the Chandler trade look worse since he was going to be around for the young guys to develope.

by philosoball on Nov 24, 2007 2:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not being able to take advantage of the players
we obtained from the trade is what is hurting us.

by boerwinkle on Nov 24, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wholly concur. Tyrus needs lots of minutes.
I really don't care if he doesn't sprint down court every time. As we have all noted, there is blame to go around on this team. Don't single out our only stud player. Let's make Tyrus our go to guy, just as Aldridge is in Portland. Noah should also be given burn since Wallace won't be around by the time the Bulls are really competitive anyways.

by philosoball on Nov 24, 2007 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
PJ Brown, come back to us!

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 24, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw them in person and honestly
as people they seemed snobish and stuck up! Like they don't give two shits about anyone but themselves. I remember leaving thinking how I really didn't like this team. But as time when on it wore off and I didn't think about it. Really they just wana make money thats how I felt. Not win a ring! I watched them making fun of people and sucking down fraps from Starbucks!
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Since when did a team have to be nice to
be good? I'm sure MJ was a total prick.

by philosoball on Nov 24, 2007 2:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah well a frappichino has like
10,000 more calories and I think thats what messed up Luols back. A Vinilla Bean Frappachino.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If so ...Pay Back
"I watched them making fun of people"

Is much worst!

by exult463 on Nov 24, 2007 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look what Sefo did to me.
Keep in mind Sefo is a grown ass man and I'm a grown ass man.

[IMG]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x52/JoJoEnglish94/DSC01207.jpg[/IMG]

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All I could think of was he has to be
gay. Looks like Prince too.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll never believe that!
Regardless of how many beautiful woman he marries.

by exult463 on Nov 24, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You gotta 2 b kidding!
Prince? in high heels or gym shoes?

by exult463 on Nov 24, 2007 3:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Go to youtube and look up Prince and
Charlie Murphy, one of my favorite clips.

by philosoball on Nov 24, 2007 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That show was so funny
but then Dave had to go and ruin it. He could have had it all but he lost it. His show was so good.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just saw a clip of him doing standup in
England. He's still great. Chappelle - "My mouth is racist, but my D*** isn't. He's a man of the world".

by philosoball on Nov 24, 2007 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He is still great.
that is true. His stand up is hilarious but I still miss that show.

by SRQman on Nov 24, 2007 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he is but not Sefo.
Sefo is gaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy. He also sucks at basketball.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bet you haven't seen...
Thabo's girlfriend !

You would remember, believe me.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Nov 24, 2007 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I heard he was a transy
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please stop.
Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Nov 24, 2007 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

eh, don't worry
our mascot JoeJoe has outlived his usefullness. The silly string incident was too much to overcome for him, as it gave him the opportunity to call so-and-sos gay for the umpteenth-beyond-acceptable time.

If only he wouldn't post drunk, who knows, he could've only been mildly irritating.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2007 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ding dong
did the bell toll for joejoe?  was he the chosen one for this loss?
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 8:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

indeed
for a loss to the Knicks there had to be someone special.

Really, it could've been done at any time over the past few months. I don't have guidelines, but sheesh.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2007 8:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
And here I thought nothing good could come out of a loss to the Knicks.  This could truly turn out to be a watershed moment.  Bravo.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Silly string.
Fucking Sefolosha Silly Strung me man. Out of all those people.He chose me. What kinda man silly strings another man?
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is funny.
Joejoe has no sense of humor.
Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Nov 24, 2007 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It was before the season
when I thought they could goto the finals.
Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

very true
it'll be just like the last two years..

by exult463 on Nov 24, 2007 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What about trading Wallace for a draft pick?
We give up on the season, end up with two good draft picks.  That at least provides hope.  We need a good point guard and some one who can score inside.  The only silver lining to this is thank God we didn't sign Deng and Gordon.

by chgobr on Nov 24, 2007 3:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I guess we have
to wait until tomorrow for the wining ways to begin! See you then!

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 3:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I meant
"winning". Not the whining ways.

by marionette on Nov 24, 2007 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just got back from the game...observations
Alright these might seem obvious but here are some observations:

-Thabo needs to put a bit more arch on his shot...its like watching shaq shoot free throws.  Its not that he has bad aim, he just doesnt put arch on his shot.
-The bulls are killing themselves when they miss open three point shots.  Ben Gordon, Hinrich and Nocioni should hit at least 50 percent of their open three pointers.  It leads to fast break opportunities for the other teams/makes it harder for bulls to get back on defense.
-Joe Smith is almost worthless if he can't hit the 10-15 footer.  Sure he had a couple nice other plays, but he is in there mostly for his ability to hit the 10-15 footer.
-Say what you want, but PJ Brown was a good defender and we could have used him tonight. Bulls are consistently getting outrebounded, but that also has to do with the fact that the bulls are shooting like crap and wallace cant jump as high as he used to.
-Ben Gordon would be amazing if he got allen iverson treatment.  And those offensive fouls called on him were complete bullshit.
-Once Tyrus starts hitting 7-15 foot shots, he will actually be an option offensively, but until then everyone will give him lots of space to shoot and no space to drive.  
-Although I would like to blame Skiles more, I feel like the offensive sets they are running are good...they just cant finish and execute.  It's like watching a high school team.
-Lastly, funny observation is that the bulls weren't even hitting their shots during warm-ups. It was truly sad.

by Sambossanova on Nov 24, 2007 4:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I haven't yet done the research to prove this,
but my observation of the games leads me to believe that Smith is one of the worst (if not THE worst) defenders on the team thus far this season.
SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 24, 2007 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

4-17.
That's what Gordon shot today.

4 for fucking 17.

He is supposed to be a scorer. That's his contribution to the team.

So far, he has contributed very little.

However, Hinrich has arguably contributed even less.

Until those two players stop playing like drunken yard gnomes, very little else matters.

This is depressing. Things will get ugly at the UC unless they improve drastically.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 24, 2007 4:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

But he scored the 7th-most points in the NBA!
He's soooo not the problem for sure. He's going to be a great scorer!!!
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2007 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tyrus fans...get over it
He picked up quick fouls every time he was in. Skiles tried to play him but he accumulated 5 fouls within those 16 minutes. Some fans act as if there was an anti Tyrus conspiracy.  Sure he should play more, but shooting 2-9 and picking up 5 fouls in 16 minutes isnt going to do much for him.

by Sambossanova on Nov 24, 2007 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's official: this team has broken my heart
"...It feels like somebody took my heart and dropped it into a bucket of boiling tears. And at the same time, somebody else is hitting my soul in the crotch, with a frozen sledge hammer. And then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone, and I'm crying, and nobody can hear me, because I'm terribly terribly, terribly alone."

by paxson43 on Nov 24, 2007 5:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Where's the quote from?
I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 25, 2007 12:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's from "The Office"
Wise words from the great Michael Scott when his boss died.

by paxson43 on Nov 25, 2007 5:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, that is awesome.
I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 27, 2007 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes
Glad I missed this game.  When Hinrich and Gordon are playing this badly, the Bulls might be the worst team in the entire league.

by Big D on Nov 24, 2007 6:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We Need
A. Gray to see the floor a little more. All we do is dribble the ball outside the freethrow line, set picks outside the freethrow line, then we shoot a 3 and miss. Does Skiles know we are last in the league in 3 point shooting? Put Gray in the game throw the ball down to him and let him hit a 2 footer instead of us shooting jumpers all day. Nobody guards the basket because we have nobody to throw the ball to down there. We played 2 6-10 guys and our 7 footer played 20 seconds. Joe Smith didn't want nothing to do with Curry. Skiles couldn't see that? Start the offense in the paint and work it back out, please Skiles.

by chris44 on Nov 24, 2007 6:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Trade
Ben Wallace and Thabo to Atl for Josh smith Zaza Pachulia . Then trade Ben Gordon and Duhon to The Kings for Mike Bibby ans a 1st round pick. If im correct the kings will suck this year and we will be able to draft Oj Mayo or Roy Hibbert. I just dont see this team going anywhere with this roster. What do you guys think

by eross226 on Nov 24, 2007 7:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Think about it:
The Bulls are playing so bad right now that the trade value of each of them individually must be at an all-time low. The only ways to break up this team now are to give players away for nothing or pay them to go away. That's what makes me think they're going to eventually start winning a couple games here and there.

By the end of the season, they might just win enough to miss out on a top-ten draft pick.

Watching the Bulls this season makes me realize just how fortunate the Bulls were the last few seasons.

I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 25, 2007 12:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot Noc
he's upping his trade value. See, not everything's gone bad this season

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Zaza Pachulia wouldn't be awful
Actually.

Posters who note Joe Smith can't play defense note the same thing I note.  He's never, except when being lauded as another great Bulls FA signing, been noted as a great defender to my knowledge.

Another thing, he's another skinny guy who shoots jumpers.  Part of our rebounding issues are due to the fact that we're clanking so many long ones, but part of them is that we're such a bunch of weaklings inside.

  • Noah is skinny and weak and gets pushed around routinely.  Well, not routinely because he's not out there long enough to call it routine, but you get the point.
  • Tyrus is skinny and short and weak and gets pushed around routinely.  He looks more and more like a 3 to me who can't shoot.
  • Smith is skinny and weak and gets pushed around.  He brings more to the table offensively than PJ Brown did, but PJ had probably 25lbs of muscle and a lot of defensive attitude and know how.  He let Wallace do more of what Wallace does best.
  • So that leave Wallace as the only guy who offers any kind of muscle at all up front. And Wallace made his bones as a guy who was a help defender playing next to a bigger, taller and stronger guy who would control the opponent's biggest and strongest guy.  
Point is, even if we were shooting better, this team would have a hell of a time controlling the glass.  And you control the glass, you control the game.  Just another somewhat capable big body, like Pachulia (or Jeff Foster, Anderson Varejao, Shelden Williams, Reggie Evans, etc) would be a helpful addition to this team if they could get him for not too much.

by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2007 10:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Varejao
is reportedly on the block - the Cavs realize they're not going to resign him.   Should we make an offer if his silly agent comes down on the salary?

by KT on Nov 25, 2007 7:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Varejao
I don't see why not. Having a somewhat bulky (I think he's actually in the 240-250lb range) but still energetic defender and rebounder would be a nice thing for us, both now and in the long run.

Of course, it all depends on what the Cavs would take back and what kind of salary we'd have to give up to do it.

by Sports2 on Nov 25, 2007 8:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He's already on our team
in the form of Noah, he could already help us, and we don't play him.

by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 8:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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