Open Game Thread #11: Bulls at New York Knicks
[Thanks to Big D for today's game thread. -Matt]
The Bulls will get to face a team even more screwed up than they are when they take on the Knicks in a rare Saturday matinée (12:00 Central, WGN).
There's really nothing to say about the Knicks' problems that hasn't already been said, so I'll stick to discussing their on-court performance. So far this season, the Knicks have had two main problems: they're a very poor defensive team, and they play selfishly. They're 26th in the league in Defensive Efficiency, and next-to-last in Assist Ratio. Neither stat is surprising considering their roster - Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, and Stephon Marbury are terrible defenders and black holes on offense. As bad as the Bulls have shot so far this season, they should get plenty of open looks against this team, and eventually you'd have to think some of those shots will start falling.
There's been a lot of criticism of Scott Skiles on here lately, and while I agree with a lot of it, I'm not ready to say he should be fired just yet. As frustrating as the rotations have been at times, they haven't lost because Tyrus Thomas hasn't played enough minutes, or because Andres Nocioni or Adrian Griffin have played too much. They've lost because they've shot terribly, Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon in particular. It seems unfair to blame Skiles for their shooting woes. Hinrich and Gordon aren't going to continue shooting 34% and 37% respectively (and if they do, the Bulls are screwed anyways), so why not wait until they start hitting some shots to fully evaluate Skiles' performance?
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Luol Deng will reportedly be a game-time decision, and the Bulls are considering inserting Joe Smith in the starting lineup in place of Nocioni. Getting Deng back would be nice, but even without him the Bulls shouldn't be losing to teams like the Knicks. Hopefully Gordon will enjoy going back to his old stomping grounds and will finally hit some shots. At the very least, though, it should be interesting to see if certain players enjoyed the NYC nightlife a little bit too much.
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Damn
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 23, 2007 10:55 PM CST reply actions
thank god it's on so early.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 12:20 AM CST reply actions
Wow at 7:15 am the the Score is talking Bulls.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 7:19 AM CST reply actions
If
I know how much we want to win today.
Blog-a-Bull is bursting with angst, anger and suggestions as a result of the Bulls putrid play. I am at a loss to explain the lack of energy, the inability to complete and the overall miserable play of the Bulls. Despite this I will be glued to the TV, watching the Blog-a-Bull Diary, hoping this game makes us smile.
Wallace suffered an injury at the season's start,
However I find it disturbing that Thomas is in Skiles' doghouse. If Thomas deserves it, then that is not good. If Thomas does not deserve it, that is also not good. The future of this team rests on Wallace retaining his ability, Deng developing his ability, and finding a third great player. So far the Bulls have had setbacks in all three areas, but it's a long season.
HSCS
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I'm not 100% sure
by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
explanation
It's like the on court/off court +/- rating, only it's adjusted for teammates and competition.
Yes!
by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 12:02 PM CST reply actions
The only offensive threat we have is Gordon
If they can't
Hinrich should try going to the basket.
at least he's getting his assists
Hinrich has totally lost his confidence.
Oops...I was going off what Red said on WGN
Or was that Wayne?
That ball movement that ended with Noc getting
I thought he traveled
Bulls better start winning, or I could see them losing their rep w/ refs on interior D. They've not been getting much favor so far in this game...
They were losing with Deng playing
Maybe if I CLICK my heels 3 times........
by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 24, 2007 12:44 PM CST reply actions
He has 2 points in this game
He has 2 points in this game
Multiple times already this season
Duhon with a 3
When Kirk hit the floor on back to back possesions with belly flops, I said "he looks like he's hung-over. Or still drunk."
whats
Tyrus Thomas Interview
I had never seen nor heard him speak, so this was interesting for me.
I agree
us being a "shooting team"?
They just miss is all... :-)
(sigh)
Man we look terrible
NY up 10pts with 37
Same old
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 24, 2007 1:04 PM CST reply actions
Knicks poor FT-shooting in 1st
by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 1:09 PM CST reply actions
Classic BG this year....
turns it over and NY runs it down and scores with the Bulls fouling...
Classic...
LOL! Right on Opt....
If they do, I'll buy you a beer
Deal? :-)
Even if they win
their asses by 45 point tommorow!
They certainly should win
What's the story on Deng's back?
Does he have a history of back problems?
That's what I thought.
Bad enough that they're losing big again,
I'm trying to imagine ways it could get worse, just to emotionally prepare myself.
(still hoping for a win, though)
house full of people giving me crap
My wife won't even watch with me anymore, and my cats run away 'cause I'm screamin' at the TV so much! LOL
I didn't see the TOR or DEN blowouts
Can't believe there are only 10 turnovers, because they are blatant, retarded ones when that've occured. Even Red said "They're just handing the ball to them!"
If they play this bad against TOR, it could be a record setting loss.
IT's time the Bulls realized there is only one
wow
no bright spots
The Knicks look just as bad as the Bulls....(even though they ARE winning)
The bottom has fallen out
ugh...
And next posession
So he's layin' bricks, MISSING lay-ups, and turning it over in the lane...
wow.
Maybe everyone should stop shooting
I mean, what ELSE have they got to lose?
off of the front of the rim
He does like to fly... :-)
Everything the Bulls shoot is short.
nice little pass
Well
Or would you just take a break and go over to the bench and speak with the coach or just go stand underneath the basket for the rebound.
Seems like the lop-sided NY to Bulls free throws
remember when Eddy Curry
don't get me wrong. I still love him.
I wish we still had Curry and Chandler
lottery magic...
Careful...
jeffries might be
After NY's last game against DT
by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
BG one on one to end the Q...
Hope you're right
Wow - top assist guy so far?
You know they're not playing well when Noc is top guy with 2 and the entire team only has 8 assists through 3 quarters. (To go with those 13 TOs)
It looks like Skiles is making a
Right now Isaiah doesn't look so bad with
Wallace seems like he's healthy now, so no
Wallace has had
Zach Randolph needs a reality check
At least Duhon can get
What happened to Noc?
Eddie Curry punched him in the face.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
But Curry was ejected for being fat.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
No...it was Randolph
These have to be the two
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:12 PM CST reply actions
Flop city
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:14 PM CST reply actions
I wouldn't call anything against the Knicks
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Dude why can't Hinrich just do that all the time?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:15 PM CST reply actions
noah has an ugly jumper
I think it's because they speak french.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ben Gordon is awesome.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:17 PM CST reply actions
Wait Sefo is lost again.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:17 PM CST reply actions
He keeps
This is bad they can't even beat the fucking
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:18 PM CST reply actions
Thabo should be playing in mop duty only.
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 24, 2007 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yahoo is screwed up
Yeah that threw me off
Just goes to show
Where was Kobe on that?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:21 PM CST reply actions
Marbury standing next to BG
never thought of Marbury as being tall
These are pro basketball plaers
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:23 PM CST reply actions
AhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaHaaaaaaaaaa
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:24 PM CST reply actions
Why even draw a play up?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:25 PM CST reply actions
What the fuck
I give up
I tried to light a spark with a guarantee but nothing works.
2-9?! Who would have thunk it
It's not just 2-9, they lost to the knicks!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take a Heineken...
Noah looks pissed!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:27 PM CST reply actions
More typical play by the Bulls
AND we got to see BG turn it over in the lane AGAIN, with ensign Kirk getting it back and throwing up a 3 pt. airball...
You need big baskets
by bleargh on Nov 24, 2007 2:28 PM CST reply actions
I'm not sure which is worse
The blowouts are painful, but kind of numbing. The blow-it-lates are just plain sadistic.
No!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
To clarify
The blow-it-lates are just plain sadistic
If you remember last year when the Bulls sucked, they would blow it late in the games then as well.
I'm vividly (and painfully) remembering going up 18 pts. on NJ - TWICE IN A ROW within the same week even - only to blow it and lose.
Ouch.
Yeah but that one NJ loss
The Bulls are so small.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:29 PM CST reply actions
what's worse
Don't be a post Nazi!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:31 PM CST reply actions
This team doesn't care!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:32 PM CST reply actions
Did Tyrus only play 8 minutes as it says
Foul trouble
This clearly was THE worst game in the NBA
I don't see how Paxson stands pat
This is the worst I've felt since they broke
Hinrich 0-5 from 3 point range. If we can't shoot
If we can't shoot
They would have won this game
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 24, 2007 2:38 PM CST reply actions
The league is prejudiced. They don't want
except teams that play good defense
Because the refs don't call fouls
What!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:43 PM CST reply actions
How can a team go from good to this? There
I the team is dejected.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Losing Eddy Curry set the Bulls back about 5
Not being able to take advantage of the players
I wholly concur. Tyrus needs lots of minutes.
I saw them in person and honestly
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 2:53 PM CST reply actions
Since when did a team have to be nice to
I can't see MJ sucking down Frappacinos
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by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Probably drinks it black and has it with a
Yeah well a frappichino has like
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Look what Sefo did to me.
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by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
All I could think of was he has to be
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Go to youtube and look up Prince and
That show was so funny
I just saw a clip of him doing standup in
maybe he is but not Sefo.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Who?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Bet you haven't seen...
You would remember, believe me.
yeah I heard he was a transy
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
eh, don't worry
If only he wouldn't post drunk, who knows, he could've only been mildly irritating.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2007 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
indeed
Really, it could've been done at any time over the past few months. I don't have guidelines, but sheesh.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2007 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
by bullshooter on Nov 24, 2007 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Silly string.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
It is funny.
Why did he shoot you with silly string?
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 24, 2007 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
It was before the season
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
What about trading Wallace for a draft pick?
Yeah too bad you have to match the 15 million.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 24, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Just got back from the game...observations
-Thabo needs to put a bit more arch on his shot...its like watching shaq shoot free throws. Its not that he has bad aim, he just doesnt put arch on his shot.
-The bulls are killing themselves when they miss open three point shots. Ben Gordon, Hinrich and Nocioni should hit at least 50 percent of their open three pointers. It leads to fast break opportunities for the other teams/makes it harder for bulls to get back on defense.
-Joe Smith is almost worthless if he can't hit the 10-15 footer. Sure he had a couple nice other plays, but he is in there mostly for his ability to hit the 10-15 footer.
-Say what you want, but PJ Brown was a good defender and we could have used him tonight. Bulls are consistently getting outrebounded, but that also has to do with the fact that the bulls are shooting like crap and wallace cant jump as high as he used to.
-Ben Gordon would be amazing if he got allen iverson treatment. And those offensive fouls called on him were complete bullshit.
-Once Tyrus starts hitting 7-15 foot shots, he will actually be an option offensively, but until then everyone will give him lots of space to shoot and no space to drive.
-Although I would like to blame Skiles more, I feel like the offensive sets they are running are good...they just cant finish and execute. It's like watching a high school team.
-Lastly, funny observation is that the bulls weren't even hitting their shots during warm-ups. It was truly sad.
I haven't yet done the research to prove this,
4-17.
4 for fucking 17.
He is supposed to be a scorer. That's his contribution to the team.
So far, he has contributed very little.
However, Hinrich has arguably contributed even less.
Until those two players stop playing like drunken yard gnomes, very little else matters.
This is depressing. Things will get ugly at the UC unless they improve drastically.
But he scored the 7th-most points in the NBA!
Tyrus only played 16 minutes - that's a
Tyrus fans...get over it
by Sambossanova on Nov 24, 2007 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
It's official: this team has broken my heart
Yikes
We Need
by chris44 on Nov 24, 2007 6:43 PM CST reply actions
Trade
I think you should put more (any) thought
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2007 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Think about it:
By the end of the season, they might just win enough to miss out on a top-ten draft pick.
Watching the Bulls this season makes me realize just how fortunate the Bulls were the last few seasons.
you forgot Noc
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
Zaza Pachulia wouldn't be awful
Posters who note Joe Smith can't play defense note the same thing I note. He's never, except when being lauded as another great Bulls FA signing, been noted as a great defender to my knowledge.
Another thing, he's another skinny guy who shoots jumpers. Part of our rebounding issues are due to the fact that we're clanking so many long ones, but part of them is that we're such a bunch of weaklings inside.
- Noah is skinny and weak and gets pushed around routinely. Well, not routinely because he's not out there long enough to call it routine, but you get the point.
- Tyrus is skinny and short and weak and gets pushed around routinely. He looks more and more like a 3 to me who can't shoot.
- Smith is skinny and weak and gets pushed around. He brings more to the table offensively than PJ Brown did, but PJ had probably 25lbs of muscle and a lot of defensive attitude and know how. He let Wallace do more of what Wallace does best.
- So that leave Wallace as the only guy who offers any kind of muscle at all up front. And Wallace made his bones as a guy who was a help defender playing next to a bigger, taller and stronger guy who would control the opponent's biggest and strongest guy.
Varejao
Of course, it all depends on what the Cavs would take back and what kind of salary we'd have to give up to do it.
He's already on our team
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 8:48 AM CST up reply actions

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