Sam Smith provides insight into Thomas' lack of minutes

by bullshooter on Nov 21, 2007 12:16 AM CST Comment 138 comments

Matt: I'll just piggy-back this diary since it's up and already has the discussion going. Fanhouse has a quality post on this as well.

Denver's real good, but shouldn't be 20+ points better, and there's no doubting this was yet another shit effort by the Bulls, made worse by the fact that one of the players who had been doing decent, Ben Gordon, also turned in an awful performance.

But this Tyrus thing is just getting silly. Again, why root for a team that starts Adrian Griffin? Tyrus had a terrible game (although I thought the first foul was a bad call, so after getting an another one soonafter he was yanked regardless of what he did), but what Skiles doesn't seem to get is that even if Tyrus isn't performing to capabilities by sprinting and focusing all the time (or whatever), he still helps the team win.

Sam Smith calls Tyrus a fan favorite in the sense that we're all rubes who like shiny dunks and blocks. I'd say that fans are more fooled by the flopping and fist-pumpery of Nocioni, who was completely abysmal on defense last night.

Just figure this: The Nuggets had Carmelo Anthony and Kenyon Martin, the Bulls had Adrian Griffin and Andres Nocioni. Pax has claimed wanting to make this team more athletic, maybe it'll take a coaching change to get our athletes on the court.

Diary: Sam Smith has his latest tantalizing glimpse into what Skiles is thinking. Apparently, Tyrus isn't being athletic enough. Interesting that the reason he isn't playing is that he isn't running the floor correctly. Yet another guy settling for jumpshots? Have a field day with this one, guys.

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Wow did not Noah say that like 6 games ago?

"I don't know what it is," said an unusually subdued Gordon afterward. "There's no continuity out there. It's not just me. Everyone. Collectively we have to figure it out and address it."

I think this is worse than the Tim Floyd years just because with this team you know they are one of the best teams in the leauge. They should be a top 5 team but they have become the clown's of the association.

Red Kerr's cough button.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 12:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

2 problems with that

Noah said it, and it was 6 games ago

In other words, it was the wrong person saying it and at the wrong time.

Case closed.

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 21, 2007 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Come on man.

It's the same old shit. The fact that he said it a long time ago is what concerns me. Now all of the sudden BG relizes whats going on? Back then all he was saying was we have to igure it out. That doesn't bother you? That they can't figure out how to play basketball or what helpside is and they have been to the playoffs the past 3 years?

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

saying it

after 3 or 4 games was premature...there was no need to panic at that stage...it didn't need to be said.

NOW there does look like there may be some legit reasons to panic...THAT'S why BG is saying it now...get it?

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 21, 2007 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Amazing

I may almost, just a little, agree with joejoe on something.

But I think a lot of people have noticed the Bulls need to "figure things out" - I wouldn't exactly label either Gordon or Noah as sharp-eyed Socratics just for producing such a comment.

by jpx7 on Nov 22, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just because

with this team you know they are one of the best teams in the leauge

Why do you think this?

by withmalice on Nov 21, 2007 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A new season's haiku

Tyrus should run the floor.
AND not playing him is stupid.
This season just sucks ass.

My favorite metric of a team's quality is the often underappreciated "win/loss record"

by preverbal on Nov 21, 2007 12:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah it does.

I mean can't they figure this shit out? This city deserves better than this. Fans sellout their seats and we gotta go through all this crap over again? I really thought it was starting to feel like the good old days even when they lost to NJ I thought their was this confidence in them that they were a team not to be fucked with. I it's just unreall and there is no answer to it. It's always we gotta figure it out. What? Figure what out? How hard is it to play team basketball? There has to be something more to it. As a fan I feel cheated personally. It's really sad that nobody on this team has any balls.

Red Kerr's cough button.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 12:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haikus

are 5-7-5, not 6-8-6 :-P

by Jaina on Nov 21, 2007 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I do like the reference to "season"

which, as I recall, is integral to the haiku form.

And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haiku

Basho you are not.
"Haiku" is plural for "haiku."
Now run, Tyrus, run!

"It is not he same to talk of bulls as to be in the bullring." ~Spanish Proverb"

by VivaLosToros on Nov 21, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually . . .

5-7-5 is simply the most traditional haiku meter. Its not a requirement. A seasonal reference is also a traditional characteristic.

The haiku was something I broke out during last year's playoffs. I only titled my comment a haiku after reading my first three lines and noticing that they happened to be 6-8-6 with a seasonal reference. So call it an "accidental haiku".

Although, now that I think about it, I will only comment in haiku until the Bulls win their next game.

My favorite metric of a team's quality is the often underappreciated "win/loss record"

by preverbal on Nov 21, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The cold season

On a haiku strike
leaves fall but jumpshots do not
What's first: win or snow?

My favorite metric of a team's quality is the often underappreciated "win/loss record"

by preverbal on Nov 21, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

where you are but it's snowing here today in Iowa.

Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Nov 21, 2007 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I long for the days when

coaches started the best 5 players available to them.

It's sad, annoying, and frustrating to see Tyrus only get 2 more minutes than Adrian Griffin. I also don't know if I like the idea of Gardner getting 27 minutes. To be fair though, I didn't watch the game so maybe Gardner looked great out there.

by upther on Nov 21, 2007 6:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Gardner did play pretty well

nobody played great D, but Gardner hit a bunch of three's, and starters got pulled at the end of the third.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 21, 2007 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah,

I'm not as frustrated by Gardners playing time as I am by Griffins. Gardner atleast offers some promise for the future, the same can't be said about Griffin.

by upther on Nov 21, 2007 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like Gardner.

He's playing like a pro.

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gardener

He wasn't spectacular, but he was confident. He wasn't hesitating to shoot the basketball. I'd say two of his shots were ill advised, but the rest were in rhythm or uncontested. He also put in a pretty decent defensive performance, although, he did get a rather rude introduction to how AI gets calls in the NBA.

AI actually was called for traveling last night.

by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2007 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know if Skiles realizes this . . .

But he just shit all over himself as a coach. He just admitted "I can't get a player to play hard for me." That only happens to be the most important job of a coach.

by Big D on Nov 21, 2007 7:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think...

I think it's probably more on the individual player when he has an entire team whose rep and identity is built on playing hard.

by theundergroundman on Nov 21, 2007 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How hard have they played the last few games?

If Tyrus isn't playing hard, he certainly doesn't look like he's the only one. At least I hope so, because if the Bulls are playing hard and still getting blown out so often, then they must be one of the worst teams in the league.

by Big D on Nov 21, 2007 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not just Tyrus.

There were plenty of other players that didn't play hard, but they have all been shipped out. This team has only drafted or signed players who were already uber-determined, above-their-potential Scrappy McGogetums. Tyson seems to be the only player who is now "playing hard." (note: all previous Bulls who were "unmotivatable" may simply never be able to be reached.)

Is there a reason this team needs to overspend for "calming influences" and "leadership presence"? Is it because they don't get those things from the coach?

Anyway, yes, it's obviously on the player. But if the only players a coach can motivate are those with a great internal work ethic, what's the point of the coach?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 21, 2007 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My apologies--I posted this earlier to the wrong

thread.

I just reread Sam's game article, and he took out a nasty reference to Thomas that was in the article last night when it first appeared after the game.

One thing that bothers me about this is that Skiles gave Smith a lay-up with his comment about the particularly amateurish type of turnovers the Bulls committed in the game, an obvious reference to Hinrich dribbling the ball off his heel while trying to go behind his back, and Sam ignored it.

Instead, he wrote this long piece about Thomas, the clear implication that Thomas is the Bulls big problem. To my mind, a fifth year player playing like a sixth grade girl (I can say this from personal, parental experience, no disrespect meant toward sixth grade girls) is a much bigger problem than a second-year bench player not yet finding his game.

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 9:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

T2

T2's problems hustling back are also the result of awful shooting from the team. Skiles should have things to say about this team coming down in transition and just launching 18 foot and away jump shots. Kirk, BG, Du, Thabo, Noc, and Gardener did this a lot last night. I'll estimate there were about 10 shots at the basket on transition WITH NO RED SHIRTS IN THE PAINT.

When those shots are missed, T2's lack of hustle is compounded and Skiles craps all over him.

by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2007 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Skiles mentioned something about this

He said they were trying to get early shots. That goes along with Tyrus not getting down the court fast enough. I guess when Tyrus isn't running the break, he walks up the court. I haven't honestly watched for it. All you ever see are the highlights of him running for the dunk.

More than anything, I think Skiles comments are coming out of frustration.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 21, 2007 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tyrus jogs

You often see him jogging back down court with his head back, usually behind the other 4 players. He is always trailing the break and hoping to slip inside for an alley-oop. When the timing is right, it can lead to spectacular scores. But that's only a few times a game at most. You almost never see Tyrus run the floor out ahead of the ball to lead the break.

And when he trails and doesn't get an oop, he is out of position to rebound anytime the Bulls take an early shot.

My favorite metric of a team's quality is the often underappreciated "win/loss record"

by preverbal on Nov 21, 2007 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This team has gone from

being interesting due to its play-off potential, to being interesting like a train wreck.

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 9:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I see a Tyson Chandler scenario all over again

I really think Tyrus will probably play inconsistent for Skiles as long as they're together. Players that young and with that kinda potential don't mend well with Skiles coaching style.

I really don't wanna see him traded to another team and then bash Skiles for not being fair to him and then have an unbelievable year and then people hate on the Bulls for giving up on him too early.

and then I hate my life even more

by Option27 on Nov 21, 2007 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Skiles and Marion

Skiles did OK with Shawn Marion. Marion is exactly the same kind of player. Little to no shooting with extreme athleticism for rebounds, dunks, and blocks.

Marion is always moving.

by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2007 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Skiles did okay with Marion?

Marion hated his gut and with the help of Kidd they got him fired from Phx. I wouldn't call that doing well with Marion. Marion put up numbers with Skiles, but he never bought into Skiles. No one in Phx did.

by danger mouse on Nov 21, 2007 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've been suffering in silence BUT

I think it's entirely possible that the next 6 games could determine Skiles future as coach.
If the Bulls can't beat the Knicks, Hawks, and Bobcats then the time has come to shake up this team and changing coaches would be the place to start. Anything less than 4-2 would be a disgrace and realistically 5-1 should be expected.
I've always backed Skiles in the past, but his substitution patterns just don't make any sense lately.

Ye OldeBull

by OldeBull on Nov 21, 2007 10:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of Coaching Changes

If you watch the Knicks, it's hard not to believe that Thomas is trying to get fired. I think he knows he can't win with the team and Dolan will have to get rid of him at the end of the season. He's got guaranteed money for the next 3 years, so why put up with the headaches of coaching.

Ye OldeBull

by OldeBull on Nov 21, 2007 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Does that scenario have a familiar ring

to New York fans, or what? It's Larry Brown all over again. And we think we have it bad here in Chicago. Of course, saying that, if we don't beat the Knicks Saturday it will feel like armageddon here.

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I watched the Knicks-Warriors last night

I live in NY and my buddy is a Warriors fan, so we checked it out. We were also excited to see Isiah and Marbury's receptions at the Garden.

The crowd booed Marbury every time he touched the ball for the first 5 minutes or so. Even the MSG announcers commented on how "unusual" it was for a home crowd to boo its own player that way. Then Marbury made a sweet inside dish to Curry for a dunk and the boos stopped. But throughout there were intermittant "Fire Isiah" chants. Honestly, it is amazing to me how Isiah is able to remain so outwardly unflappable in the face of such vitriol being directed at him from everywhere. Its like he's a robot. And when you listen to his press interviews, its really amazing. He just stands their at the ready with some fresh excuse and makes it sound like they are just around the corner from being a playoff team.

That team is in total disarray. However, they do have two low post scorers and some speedy guards. Both the Knicks and the Bulls looked awful last night, but having watched both games, it would not surprise me in the least if the Knicks won on Saturday. In fact, it would not surprise me if the game was a blow out. I can't believe I'm writing that.

It will be very interesting to see what happens. I wonder if Skiles really is on as thin of ice as you suggest. This whole season has just been so unbelievably bizarre. I've never ever seen a good team bring back the exact same players and have them crash so badly (even Miami wasn't this bad after their title, and they at least had obvious causes -- age, complacency, injuries -- for their drop-off). Its like a Twilight Zone episode.

My favorite metric of a team's quality is the often underappreciated "win/loss record"

by preverbal on Nov 21, 2007 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Preverbal you are 100% correct.

I also watched the Knick - Warrior game. I thoroughly enjoyed the boos and "fire Isiah" chants. There is only one other team as bad as the Knicks and it is the Bulls. I saw some of the Cav - Bucks and Toronto - dallas game. All those teams, even when losing, have more energy, have more movement without the ball and seem more organized then the Bulls. I despise the Knicks, but the way we are playing, it would not shock me if we lose and lose big Saturday. The way we are playing it would surprise me if we won. This is the worst basketball a Bulls team has played in years. Something is terribly wrong and I do not have confidence that Skiles knows what to do and I am waiting to hear something from Paxson. I am at a loss to understand this mess.

by chgobr on Nov 21, 2007 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

preverbal

again your are correct. This is a good analogy. Thomas's & Marbury's total career foundation has been based on arrogancy. Therefore this explains their public disposition. "Bizarre"

Some may not want to admit, but Scottie has similiar attributes. I don't mean the "Scottie" that played with Jordan for the Bulls.

Yet, I believe this game can go either way, and actually the Bulls might win. I believe the players really don't have much reason to be motivated against one another at this point, probably more compassion towards each other. Maybe the GM's and coaches have personal motivation towards one another.

How about Thomas and Mark Aguirre play 2-on-2 against Paxson and Skiles? Now I think that would be a better game.

by exult463 on Nov 21, 2007 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you hear the MSG crowd?

Whats up with Chicago and New York?

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I just don't

even know what to think any more. I heard Skiles say one time that he stays out of the locker room most of the time (I think he meant during practices). I wonder if there are some conflicts in the locker room that he doesn't know about. Maybe those conflicts were discussed in the private team meeting and if they were it obviously didn't change things. I'm sure I'm just grasping for answers here.

Skiles said he did sit down and talked with each player privately during all the trade talks and I think he should have but I wonder if he did all the talking or if he listened to what they had to say? I wonder what the players feelings are regarding Skiles? Like I said I'm just grasping.

Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Nov 21, 2007 10:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

sue..something to think about

do you remember all of the public ripping Larry Brown would do with the media against his players. Well, if you remember in NY, some of the NY players with less discretion as a Kirk or Ben or Deng fought back against the coach with the media. It was a complete mess.

Well, in Chicago, that type of behavior is not tolerated from the players. Which is a good thing, Paxson stresses.

But still, a coach should be a protector and provide a covering for his players, especially for players who are basically good citizens.
They may not be as talented as the next player, but effort and player development should be encouraged more the public ridicule and publically blaming the players more than oneself in the post game interviews.

While the NY players, Tyson Chandler evenually and others expressed dissatisfaction openly against their previous coaches, still the current Bulls team who are criticised frequently still witness the same internal feelings toward the critic coach. Unless the criticism is truely warranted, all the other players feel such a player is a jerk, and that player is such a stubborn and arrogant individual that he needs public humilations to bring him back to earth

"I don't think they are head over heads in love with their coach, but yet too professional with an element of fear to express otherwise"

If Skiles was placed on a bubble status by Paxson, I don't think you would hear too much sincere support coming from the current roster to keep him? Maybe some kind words, but nothing concrete.

by exult463 on Nov 21, 2007 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they care anymore.

Even my gf said it and she doesn't really like bsketball. She likes Tom Bradey

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 10:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wow! Lucky guy!

Is your girlfriend, Brigette Moynihan...or Giselle Bundchen? Either way, you're a big winner!

And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Skiles protecting his job?

So the reason the Bulls are playing this bad is because Tyrus doesn't sprint the floor? Maybe if he wasn't concerned about being benched and then pulled after 40 seconds he could play with some more freedom and get more involved in the game.

Skiles blaming Tyrus smacks of desperation to me. Why call out a second-year guy to Tyrus-hater Sam Smith? What good does it do? Does he think the fans will support the idea of Griffin getting serious minutes?

It seems to me like Skiles is still trying to show that he is not the problem, and that the players will come around to his way and everything will be OK. But his way is not working, and he seems to be getting tuned out. Why else go to the Trib?

Has he lost the team?

by nateroth on Nov 21, 2007 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I would love to see an empty United Center

when the come back to Chicago. From Kansas 6'1 Kirk Hiiiiinrich.
Crickets.

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

This Article is BS

Tyrus not sprinting is no reason to start Griffin over Joe Smith or Noah. Tyrus isn't the reason this team is 2-8. When Tyrus plays significant minutes, he produces. When Griffin plays, he is a black hole - no offense, no defense - just time on the court.

Does Tyrus need to get out the break more, probably. But when he has gotten minutes, he has been the Bulls best player. Tyrus doesn't trust Skiles. He doesn't trust him to play him when he plays well, so he doesn't play hard because he is getting his minutes yanked. I'm not saying Tyrus is right, but I think that is what is going on. Tyrus doesn't play hard? I remember hearing the same things about Chandler. Its funny how hard Chandler started playing when he started playing for Byron Scott. All of the sudden, Tyson was the hardest working guy in practice. I'm sorry, but Skiles isn't going to convince me TT is Stromile Swift - which is he obviously trying to do.

Was Tyrus failure to get out on the break the reason Skiles pulled him in the 4th quarter of the Suns game and thereby lost that game? When Tyrus was playing phenomenally against Amare. Because he won't run is why Tyrus only played him garbage time in the Lakers lost? this is personal between Ty and Skiles. If I had to choose one... goodbye Skiles. We already made this mistake w/ Chandler. Not everyone responds to be constantly insulted. Being constantly trashed. And that is Skiles only method of "teaching". Skiles needs to be fired. The list of players who hated Skiles - Kidd, Marion, Horry - guys who are winners, tells me that Skiles can't get the most out of his talent. Paxson needs to pull the trigger, because the Bulls will never go to the next level w/ Skiles.

by danger mouse on Nov 21, 2007 11:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

You hit it exactly.

Skiles counted on Sam Smith's vendetta against Thomas, to deflect criticism from where it really should be directed--at Skiles himself. This is why I find Sam's column so loathsome. He is complicit in Skiles' subterfuge, knowingly or unknowingly, it doesn't matter. Sam should know better than to allow himself to be played as Skiles' dupe.

And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

anyone?

Does anyone have the Smith column that appeared on the Trib site before it was edited to remove the most damaging indictment of Tyrus?

by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2007 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Danger mouse 100% agreed

by exult463 on Nov 21, 2007 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ack

I was looking forward to the promised "Fire Skiles, let Pax sort 'em out" post.

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 21, 2007 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

isn't that what I said?

Yeah I had high hopes for getting up early and writing a more angry post. Just didn't have the energy (or the spacing).

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2007 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it's all about accountability

A buzz word Skiles has avoided this season.

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 21, 2007 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

...which actually surprises me a lttle bit.

Normal advertising/propaganda theory generally would have Skiles screaming the loudest about those qualities whose lack he fears most in himself.

And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

huh?

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 21, 2007 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK. I'll credit

a long ago interview with Kurt Vonnegut as my source for the concept. So take it in that spirit.

And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pseudointellectualism noted

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 21, 2007 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

more like regular old satire

or even cynicism. You're probably more familiar with them in their more common guise of sarcasm.

And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Replace

"common" with "banal" and you've got it EXACTLY right.

by ChrisRobin on Nov 22, 2007 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If they fire Skiles then who could replace him?

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 12:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

for all I care, a Pax Puppet

who would at least let Pax know who is worth keeping. Right now we know a lot about Joe Smith and Adrian Griffin. Oh, and Noc. But Pax done already gave him money.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2007 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

SVG

Rick Carlisle
Pete Myers
Ron Adams
Doug Collins
Darkhorse Reinsdorf Pal

In semi-particular order.

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 21, 2007 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ehhhhhhh

I don't know. Maaaayyyybe Doug Collins but his teams always suck ass. I don't know this is soooooo bad! I just know I'm tired of Skiles and Hinrich.

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe

Rick Carlisle but..... who knows. I was thinking Mario Ellis.

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

his Pistons teams weren't bad

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 21, 2007 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah but niether are Saunders.

Oh wait it's the same team......huh.

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry

neither

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Collins' Pistons

He coached Detroit for 2 years in the mid-90s. One was a 50+ win team.

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 21, 2007 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kirk

does look bad now, but something is not adding up? I think much to the responsibility of Kirk's bad play he has to take responsibility. But, still something is not adding up in regards to Player Development with this team.

Thabo looks to be a shell of himself from last year. He seems afraid that he is going to make a mistake or something and be ridiculed? Doesn't want to get the same Skiles treatment, like Ty2.

I would be careful in regards to moving players until a coaching situation is resolved.

by exult463 on Nov 21, 2007 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be happy

with Carlisle on the sidelines. Hell, I'd be happy with a dead turtle on the sidelines. Anything seems better than Skiles at the moment.

by upther on Nov 21, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

carlisle

is every bit the authoritarian and disciplinarian that Skiles is.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 21, 2007 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

bullshooter

I seem to agree with you on carlisle. They will need a coach who will take the pressure off of them, and let them play to their talents and abilities.

And if they give 110% and still are not good enough. The fans will appreciate it anyway.

Noc might be an example of this rule.

by exult463 on Nov 21, 2007 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rick Carlisle would be perfect!

by Option27 on Nov 21, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Carlisle is exactly what they don't need!

Carlisle would fit this team terribly. The biggest weakness of this team is halfcourt offense. Skiles, for all his shortcomings, has at least recognized that this team must play at a fast pace to score any points. Slowing things down would only make the offensive deficiencies even more pronounced as there is noone who can create a shot with the shot clock winding down. Carlisle's strategy is to milk the shot clock every possession. Frankly, I think coaches like him and Jeff Van Gundy should be barred from the league for the comas their style of play induces.

by snley on Nov 21, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Skiles coaching

You know, Skiles may be just like Doug Collins. They're smart guys. They were pretty good NBA players. But when it comes to coaching, their teams win after they're fired as the head coach.

So, Skiles and Collins can prepare a team to become a champion, but neither is that coach that can take them to the top. They can only get a team so far. Then they have to be replaced.

by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2007 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How about Scottie Pippen as coach.

I think he needs a job.

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My vote is for

Kelvin Sampson... then they wouldn't even need to trade for Kobe. Sampson could just place a bunch of illegal phone calls and Kobe would shrug off his prior commitments and play for the Bulls. </bitter illini fan>

by CatBrains on Nov 21, 2007 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

On Pip

I don't know how Scottie would perform as a coach. To me, I think Pippen is probably one of the smartest basketball players in NBA history. I really enjoyed his color work for Comcast a couple seasons ago in the playoffs. Scottie sees stuff on the court that Dore and Kerr never see. His memory of action on the court is precise.

I'm not sure what Pip's interests are right now. Does he want to do color work, studio work, front office work? I guess it all depends on how he handles his personal life. He has young children, he's married, and the color work or coaching would require a lot of traveling.

Could Pippen coach other players? Hmm, that is tough to say. But I think there is little doubt that his basketball IQ is off the charts. He's way too knowledgeable about the NBA game to not be involved with an NBA franchise.

by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well...

With Pip as coach, if there were a call, or play he didn't like...he'd already be on the bench.

by Lt.Dan on Nov 21, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, it's a problem

especially since don't pretty much all coaches do the 'play the veterans' bullshit?

Maybe it's worth it just to focus our ire on somebody else.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Elsewhere...

Stacey King just felt a cold chill go up his spine.

by CatBrains on Nov 21, 2007 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why not Pax?

He acquired most of these players, he should try and see if he can get things to work on court.

If it doesn't work, he can go work for TNT and tell Barkley and Kenny Smith that second guessing is a lot easier to do than actually GM'ing.

by KT on Nov 21, 2007 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Isaiah model

I think we know how that turns out.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 21, 2007 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah...

I like where Skiles has brought the team, but some of the things that annoyed me and put up with because we were winning are now tiresome.

The inexplicable lineups are near the top. Pick a lineup and stick to it so they can mesh. Again, we're going back to the days where players are complaining that no one knows what their roles are on the team! I thought we were past that! Why does he constantly reward Thabo with more playing time when he clearly cannot hit a shot?

I don't care if Grif is a good leader or locker room guy. He sucks! Don't play him over TT and Joe Smith! If we're going to loose, I'd rather loose with TT on the floor than Grif. At least he'd be developing his game. I'd rather see Khryapa over Grif. And the "Skiles' dog house" crap drives me nuts! It's a black hole. You just don't know when you're going to see guys again, if ever! Put guys on the floor that should be on the floor.

by Hiryu on Nov 21, 2007 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I happen to like shiny dunks

I didn't realize that made me a Communist. I guess we need more contested 20-foot jump shots instead.

by Big D on Nov 21, 2007 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sam Smith

This guy is so determined to run Tyrus out of the city that he doesn't even do his trademark rediculous trades anymore. Everything he wirtes now is, "Tyrus is a bad person", "Tyrus isn't performing" (even thought Hinrich is the biggest dog on the team right now).

by Hiryu on Nov 21, 2007 12:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

well according to Sam

"Thomas is going to continue to play. He has to because his trade value given the current situation is probably nil. "

Which is wrong on both counts, because he likely has plenty of trade value, and he ISN'T playing.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2007 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What a tool

I don't know why I continue to read those articles. They're complete trash. This guy clearly has it out for Tyrus so much so that he is making himself even less credible that he already was (if that's possible). If there was any real leadership on this team (Hello Hinrich, Big Ben, Loul, BG), Tyrus would be on the floor busting his but if for no other reason than not to catch the wrath of the leader. But he won't write about much about that. Other than Deng, Tyrus probably is the most coveted player on the roster.

by bigballa10 on Nov 22, 2007 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Skiles quote that it's ...

...not just about winning but also making Tyrus a better player just epitomizes everything that is wrong with Skiles' coaching philosophy. It is about winning Scott, that's why you were hired. This is not a high school camp. Sure, we want our young guys to develop, and they will if you give them half a chance, without the fear of getting yanked after 2 minutes. Just win...and you can't do it without Tyrus starting or at least getting some decent 'fear free' minutes. How is he expected to perform if his coach doesn't back him up...god, this drives me crazy. I am not one to advocate coaching changes, but Skiles needs to re-examine his approach and demeanor.

by bullsfaninbigapple on Nov 21, 2007 1:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

a slightly different take

I don't have any problem with Skiles not playing Tyrus if what Skiles says is true and not some kind of personal thing (which I don't think it is). Tyrus could be a really good power forward, but he's got to be around the basket to be that. If the coaches are telling him to run out and he isn't, then he should be benched. Playing down low when you are tall and skinny isn't easy and the bulls already have a bunch of guys who stand around and wait for jump shots. Tyrus's value is in being a rebounder and getting offensive boards and putbacks. It's great that he seems to have developed his 15-18 footer, but that doesn't really help the bulls become a better team.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 21, 2007 1:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

What I don't get is this...

If TT is getting punished or whatnot why isn't Hinrich being benched instead of started? He isn't doing any of the things he is supposed to be doing either. Hell, there are a number of players who are not playing their positions very well. Pretty much all of them. Why pick on TT, especially when it seems to be hurting the team by keeping him benched for an extended period of time while the same is not done for others.

by cranscape on Nov 21, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

because

it is easier to blame someone for not getting up and down the court than it is to make jump shots and if your hinrich dribble the ball. He is also the captain...that wouldn't look to good.

by Sambossanova on Nov 21, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

TT is still young enough

to learn the difference. Plus he doesn't really have a track record for doing it the right way. Hinrich, Gordon, Deng have shown they know how to play well in the system. I don't think he is hurting the team that much by not playing TT because TT isn't a steady performer, you don't know how he is going to play from one night to the next. Sure he plays great one game out of four, but that doesn't make TT better in the long run if he knows he's going to get big minutes no matter how he plays.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 21, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it's been said that

Tyrus sees himself as a 3 while the organization (and myself for that matter) see him as a 4.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He can still run out

and if he sees himself as a three, the bulls have even bigger problems.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 21, 2007 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ty2

will follow the same path as Ty1 as long as Skiles is the coach.

If you remember at one time, Ty1's second year offensive potential was considered ok, with opportunity for improvement. Then came Skiles, and the Curry trade, and Skiles demoralized Ty1, he stayed in Skiles dog house and his improvement, motivation, etc as a player went down.

Look for the same for Ty2. The parallel's between these two players are more than just the names Ty1 & Ty2 given on this beloved site.

Neither player was considered to have an offensive game in the early years, yet both obtained the exact same career high in points in one game of 27 points. These career high ppg occurred in either their 1st or 2nd year.
Tyson Chandler on 12/31/02 scored 27 points against Portland
Tyrus Thomas on 03/31/07 scored 27 points against the Cavaliers.

The first year numbers for both players with similiar ages are so similiar (do your own research), probably a slightly better edge to Tyson, straight out of H.S., was at least one year younger than Tyrus, a college freshman, in his first year.

Tyrus this year (6.9 ppg) under Skiles will probably not average 9.2ppg, as Ty1 (with the small hands) did in his second year in the NBA.

Then after one additional year of Skiles mentoring Tyson's ppg dropped to 6.2 in 03-04, and back up to 8.0 in 04-05.

Skiles has a unique non-talent in player development. Regardless of the nay-sayers, and the Paxsiles press police (who have an never ending responsibility to search the web for critics) look for the same type of development in Tyrus career with Skiles.

Of course Skiles has lost this team. If the Bulls are 16-25 at the half-way mark, then they'll have to win 29 out of the last 41 games (29-12) to probably get the 8th seed in playoffs. This December schedule is not as favorable as last December.

Now we wait on Paxson's gun loaded with blanks to pull the trigger or Skiles. I don't think so, just enjoy the NBA and the other teams who like to win.

by exult463 on Nov 21, 2007 1:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i might as well kill myself because the bulls got

off to a bad start.....
why are people making such a big F***ing deal about all this???? the bulls aren't playing well right now, we can't score and we are playing against teams that dont struggle on offense, so you know, we aren't winning many games. but honestly, is it the end of the world??? no. we have a team of good people, guys you can take pride in cheering for, and dammit, that counts for something. we won six titles in eight years, why is everyone flipping out that we aren't going to be adding one this year??? i know the jordan-pippen-jackson era is long gone, but building a championship team is a long process!!! even if the bulls were playing the best basketball they could possibly manage, there is no way we could beat dallas or phoenix or even denver in a 7 game series. the bulls aren't there yet. the key is not overreacting and making stupid front office decisions. the key is patience. skiles is a great coach (what available coach is out there who will do a decidedly better job than skiles???)look at boston, doc rivers is still a TERRIBLE coach, but his players are playing at an extremely high level right now, so everyone forgets that rivers is a joke. it comes down to the players not executing on anything-not making shots, defensive lapses, etc... everyone is to blame for this slow start, not one coach, not two players, not pax, everyone. the bulls will snap out of this mess once we start playing teams we can handle. we messed up by not beating teams we should have at the beginning and now we are paying the price, but i am not worried. professional sports rank right up there with celebrity gossip in irrelevancy and amount of true impact on day-to-day life, its just entertainment. lets not take all the fun out of it, because at the end of the day, the bulls are still my favorite team, and nothing will ever change that, and that should go for all of you bulls fans out there.

by Conor on Nov 21, 2007 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

This is why Larry Holmes

says the fans are too soft on Paxiles.

I'm sure there are others like you Conor, and that's one way to look at things. I don't.

And just because everyone's to blame doesn't mean we can't single out people to blame as well. It's not a 'zero-sum game of blame'. That was the title of my self-produced rap album.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2007 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Conor, I think you're missing your own point.

Yes, it is all about entertainment. But for a lot of people (people like, say, the people who show up here. Hey...like you!), the entertainment doesn't end when the buzzer sounds.

And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oops!

Professional basketball is a business, too. Evenually as many fans will not support (attend games, watch tv, etc) consistent losing NBA teams.

by exult463 on Nov 21, 2007 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sick

of these Nocioni vs. Thomas comparisons. They're obviously completely different players and Thomas has gotten schooled on defense many times in completely different ways than Nocioni. Take off your Thomas goggles and you'll see that both of them are flawed players at this point, but both can help this team win. Just because they both are "PF" for us doesnt mean they have to compete.

Meanwhile, there is no defense for Adrian Griffin starting I'll agree with that.

by JSlakov on Nov 21, 2007 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

sure they're both flawed

yet Tyrus gets a take-down through the media from the coach, while the same coach's only regret this season is not playing Nocioni more.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well

I don't see the point in getting caught up with that. We all know Sam Smith and Skiles are idiots. From your posts it seems like you think Nocioni is the reason this team is losing when I think he's one of the only players playing up to expectations this season.

by JSlakov on Nov 21, 2007 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

JSlakov

"We all know Sam Smith and Skiles are idiots?"

Does Paxson?

If there is any truth to your assumption about Smith and Skiles, then if Paxson still believes in his coach? What does that say?

by exult463 on Nov 21, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe

I should clarify. Skiles says stupid things to the media. I don't think he's a bad coach and I think he got more out of this team the last few years then any other coach could of.

Sam Smith is just an idiot.

by JSlakov on Nov 21, 2007 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Skiles' bus driving skills

can give that impression.

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 21, 2007 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What

are you reading... I haven't really read anything blaming Noc for the losses. I think that the majority of the blame goes right to the top: Scott Skiles...

by tyrus4prez on Nov 21, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh!

Comcast is replaying the game right now.

And worse we may be yet: the worst is not so long as we can say, "This is the worst."

by alec on Nov 21, 2007 2:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

in agreement with you alec

what i was talking about was the overreaction to the terrible start... some people were expecting too much of this team, and just because your expectations are high doesn't mean the team is going to deliver. as you know, it doesnt work like that. trading people now or firing skiles will just set us back... i know this team isnt far off, we are just missing a few puzzle pieces, and once we get them in place, then we will be ready to start contending. i love our fans and how diehard they are, because i am like that too, but there are too many people out there(Mostly journalists and sports radio people)who demand drastic changes if we arent comparable to championship teams. Uninformed morons like that ruin sports, they make it too serious, NOT FUN. Phil Jackson said the journey the team makes to the championship is more important than the championship itself, and that is the philosophy pax is using. it is a process that involves patience and diligence. the bulls' problems will not be remedied by quick fix trades or head coach movement, but by understanding why they are playing so poorly as a unit, everyone owning up to the problems, fixing it, and applying what they learned

by Conor on Nov 21, 2007 2:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Ben Gordon

Ben Gordon was 2-14 from the field against the worst man defensive club in the NBA.

Too bad he can't to the line more often. He's shooting 91% there.

by NBA Observer on Nov 21, 2007 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry....

i reread my post and i wanted to correct myself... i do believe pax needs to make some trades, but not an overhaul type trade. i, like matt, believe noc is paid way too much for his production, and probably needs to go. i think that is the only trade we HAVE to make

by Conor on Nov 21, 2007 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

It all comes back to Noc...

can we please move on.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 21, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i know

i am sorry man, i love noc, but jesus is he a liability out there. the classic "no no no... yes yes yes" guy....too much to spend on a player like that because all his great plays and shots are offset by his absolutely bone-headed plays

by Conor on Nov 21, 2007 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Almost time

Until they're able to trade him

by Option27 on Nov 21, 2007 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't know if it even means anything

But Skiles addressed the media today and said he felt bad for what he said and he wishes he could take it back.

He also said he wasn't misquoted but just felt very bad about how it came out.

670 also reports that their maybe more lineup changes coming up again implying that the Bulls wanna get bigger

by Option27 on Nov 21, 2007 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I really don't care what he says

I just want him to play Thomas whether he needs to improve or not.

BTW, 'bigger' likely means Hinrich/Griffin/Nocioni/Smith/Wallace and hoping Luol gets back soon.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2007 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he feels so bad

That he plays him a lot more?!

Wishful thinking

When Deng gets back, there should be no reason Griffin starts again!

by Option27 on Nov 21, 2007 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

When Deng gets back there

should be no reason Griffin plays again. He's already shown that he can call stupid players meetings while sitting on his ass.

by Scotter on Nov 21, 2007 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Line-ups and wallace.

Is there any way the bulls can buy out his contract so he can go back to the pistons after this year. I hate it how the bulls have to play 4 on 5. It's not like he is doing much on defense. Sure other teams like the nets and the celtics play 4 on 5 all the time but they have people who draw double teams and can handle double teams.

Does the wallace/tyrus combination ever work? Why must every player on the team have some really conspicuous flaw (height, no jump shot, cant dribble, doesnt know how to play man to man defense, fouls too quick). I am not saying that line-ups are some sort of science, but a lot of these players seem to not complement each other very well.

by Sambossanova on Nov 21, 2007 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bigger lineup

Wallace, Thomas, Noc, Sefalosha, Hinrich.

Also, who is that former Blazers guard that was the coach at Milwaukee and is now an assistant with, I think, the Pistons.

by hlac on Nov 21, 2007 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Terry Porter

but despite all the press that he wuld make a great coach, he wasn't that great. Had rotation issues even when he have TJ ford in his first year.

by KT on Nov 21, 2007 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That would be great!

Wallace - Can't Shoot
Sefalosha - Can't Shoot
Hinrich - Can't Shoot
Noc - Can't stay on his man/Shoots too much
Thomas - Can't stay on the floor/Skiles

by cranscape on Nov 21, 2007 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"Bigger" might be a veiled reference

to Gray.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 21, 2007 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder how well

Gray 'sprints down the floor'.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 21, 2007 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

slowly

but with long strides.

by KT on Nov 21, 2007 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Start Gardner?

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 3:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He looks good.

But I keep thinking it might be because everyone else looks so bad. :( Still, he at least seems like he isn't shook up by all the funk so far and is confident. He is 6'5" and that is sadly tall for his position on our team.

by cranscape on Nov 21, 2007 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I stood next to him he's tall.

Well I think maybe Skiles will take a look at it.

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 21, 2007 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hinrich and Gordon. Gordon and Hinrich.

Ben and Kirk.

Kirk and Ben.

Benkirk.

Those are the two primary problems on the team right now.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 21, 2007 5:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wallace

is more of a problem than ben. bulls were never offensively very talented, but there defense won them games. if they were playing half decent defense then theyd be losing by 3-8 points not 15-30 points.

by Sambossanova on Nov 21, 2007 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Skiles looks like he's backpeddling now

with his media apology to Tyrus.
And it really looks like he's lost his "swagger", now behaving a little like someone in fear of losing his job.

One can only hope...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 22, 2007 12:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I wonder

If Pax brought this to his attention. Skiles doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that follows media stories about the team. I just can't imagine that he saw his words in print and then decided to apologize. He's said a lot of things in the past and never publicly apologized before.

by bigballa10 on Nov 22, 2007 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Andres Nocioni

Needs to swing more elbows in peoples faces.

Andres Nocioni: "I good basketball player."

youtube.com/angryasianace

by AngryAsianAce on Nov 22, 2007 12:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I miss these days!

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/dotn/dotn_0331.asx

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 22, 2007 12:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Damn Hinrich used to be ripped.

http://nbahoopsonline.com/Pics/players/Hinrich.jpg

Thabo Sefolosha got bad. Took a stupid pill.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 22, 2007 1:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Bad feelings

Skiles is sorry?
Did a cry follow the storm?
Tyrus runs like tears.

Haiku strike: until the Bulls win, I will comment only in haiku.

by preverbal on Nov 22, 2007 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

ripped, torn, shredded

Skiles rips Tyrus.
The media rip the Bulls.
Let's rip off some wins!!!

Haiku strike: until the Bulls win, I will comment only in haiku.

by preverbal on Nov 22, 2007 11:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Haikus of Disdain and Hope

Disdain:

"The body" is hurt
The season has started now
Someone should tell Bulls.

Hope:

Like a jackrabbit
Tyrus flies the autumn skies
Here's to victory!

On Tyrus Thomas: Get that man a table dance, please!

by cubbybear on Nov 23, 2007 1:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

On second thought...

Tyrus does run the court like a lazy calf. Surely, Skiles first told him this in practice a couple of times before he went public?

Tyrus = WYSIWYG,

And within 4 years
Tyrus = Tyrus+normal marginal improvement.

imho, Tyrus, a college role player, (picked 4th) never seem to be a lottery pick when he came out after one year.

LSU just had a good NCAA tourn. that year, and Tyrus blocked a few college players shots and made some dunks. (WYSIWYG) Otherwise Tyrus would have been unknown. Similiar to Patrick O'Bryant (picked 9) from Bradley, these types typically fade and/or have modest NBA careers.

Also Sheldon Williams (pick 5).

It almost seems as if I'm supporting Skiles?

by exult463 on Nov 23, 2007 7:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure who Atlanta picks has anything

to do with anything. Tyrus's numbers when it comes to blocking shots, rebounding, and steals were great. He may have been an offensive role player, but he wasn't one on the other end of the court. And he did it in the SEC not at Bradley. I know you want to make the point that Tyrus was overrated, but pick a better example than O'Bryant.

And what you don't seem to get is that Tyrus+normal marginal improvement will be pretty good. If given the consistent minutes to develop.

by Scotter on Nov 23, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs