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Possible the Bulls could be tanking? Lenghty explenation...

Now, to get to my main topic. The Bulls once again fell behind because of early shots that didnt fall. But

SCOTT SKILES IS THE REASON THE BULLS LOST THIS GAME!

With 6 minutes to go, Scott Skiles told his team he had no confindence in them, and preceeded to empty the bench.

He took out the best players and effectively ended the game. When I saw that, I saw a coach tell his very talented, should have been a great team, that he didnt think they could win, it was pointless to try, and that he was giving up six minutes before the clock ran out.

I dont want to think the Bulls are tanking. It doesnt make sense. But can they really win ANY close/possible-come-back games if these crappy rotations happen? The only explenation for tanking (and possibly Deng's mysterious injury) is that Paxson knows that he wont be bringing Deng and Gordon back.

History shows that PAXSON DOES NOT BEND ON HIS DEALS, and maybe this holds true to the deals Deng and Gordon turned down. So he has his coach tank, just like he did the year before Deng and Gordon arrived. At the end of the year, he ends up doing long negotiations, until a very unexpected trade happens.

Much like the Curry trade, he sends Deng someplace, gets a lotter pick, and a future unprotected pick or something. He does the same with Gordon.

The Bulls now have 3 lottery picks, which he uses to replace Gordon and Deng, add a low post scorer, and keep the Bulls way under the cap, all while retaining Hinrich, Nocioni, Thomas, and Noah.

The Bulls, next year, start Hinrich, Noah, Nocioni, and the replacements to Deng and Gordon, make another powerful march into the playoffs on hardwork and defense, this time though the newcommers have veteran guys with them, and are able get to the 2nd round and maybe the conference finals.

The year after that, the teams the Bulls traded with each give them another lottery pick, and the Bulls enter the season with a roster of Hinrich, Nocioni, Sefolosha, Thomas, Noah, Duhon, and 5 new lottery picks (2 each from the deng/gordon trades, and the Bulls own from this year).

With possibly the deepest team in NBA history, the Bulls plow through the Eastern conference, and make it to the NBA Finals, winning a championship for the first time ever in the post Jordan/Pippen era.

Larry Hughes, after playing well in the Finals and hitting randomly big shots off the bench retires as a fan favorite and proud Chicago Bull. The money that comes off the books of Larry's gigantic contract is used to sign a center to finally replace the loss of Ben Wallace.

John Paxson looks like a genious, just like he did with the Curry trade.

Honestly, after seeing what Scott Skiles, and now Jim Boylan continue to do, I have several times tried to find an exlenation that had some logic and I cant. All I can see is that the Bulls could be tanking.

And this is a bucnh of crap. This team could have gotten to the Finals if there was any confidence for or from anybody at the beginning of the year. Now...well...Lotter Bound Horribulls.

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Clueless
It seems simple too me, that both Paxson (trades, signing & draft picks) and Skiles (coaching) are clueless.  Bring back Jerry Krause, at least he wore his ego on the outside, and valued the importance of an offensive and defensive player both in one body.

Paxson has traded and drafted, one player to play defense and another to play offense for the same position. Mmmm!, they really can't be on the floor at the same time, except in Skiles crazy 3-guard lineups?  

With Deng being the exception, the organization seems to have ruined Kirk at the present time.  Paxson and the organization blew his head up "Face of the Organization" before he really earned the label and his true NBA talent emerged.  So competing NBA player now take a personal challenge to have Kirk for lunch defensively and offensively every game, the young and old.  True Combo Guard Kirk's confidence is at a low.

This is Paxson's duel two player strategy for basically 4 out of 5 starting players?  Clueless Strategy coupled with a clueless coach on how to work with this duhon+kirk, gordon+sefo, wallace+smith, tyrus+noc & deng?

Paxson's motto ... Build the team around guys with Character? how about both character and offensive&defensive talent also in one body.

by exult463 on Nov 19, 2007 6:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Name me one two-way player
brought in by Krause after the championship years. BZZZ! Time's up--this was a trick question. There were no two-way players brought in by Krause after the championship years. Chandler could play D. Curry, Crawford and Jay Williams could play offense. Loads of other players could play offense but not well (Eddie Robinson, Marcus Fizer).

Only two players even come close. Elton Brand D'd up ok, but was no offensive powerhouse. Trent Hassel was a good perimeter lockdown defender, but except for maybe one stretch in his rookie year, he couldn't buy a jumper.

I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 19, 2007 10:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Brand was 20 and 10
from his rookie year on.  I'd call that a pretty good 2 way performance.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 19, 2007 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Brand can't defend though
Gets a few blocks a game, but he gets torched by taller power forwards.  
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 19, 2007 11:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Krause valued offense/defense in same body?
Curry = offense, no defense
Chandler = defense, no offense
Jay Williams = offense, no defense
Jamal Crawford = offense, no defense
Marcus Fizer = no offense, no defense
Eddie Robinson = offense, no defense
Ron Mercer = offense, no defense

*** It seems to me Jerry "Crumbs" Krause didn't draft,sign,trade for players with both offense and defense in the same body as you say.

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 19, 2007 11:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Paxson is the problem.
I do think that Skiles is the problem.  There isn't a team in the league that should be starting Adrian Griffin let alone giving him 13 minutes.  In those 13 minutes we got 3 rebounds, 1 assist, and 4 fouls.  Great job Skiles.  

All this tanking talk this early makes me sick to my stomach too.  

by upther on Nov 19, 2007 7:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That was a good move
Griffin was forced into the starting lineup due to the injury to Deng.  It was also for matchups with the Lakers and Kobe.  Griffin has the most experience guarding Kobe.  He did a pretty good job as well.  He did have 4 fouls in 13 minutes, but Kobe only went to the line for 7 attempts.  Kobe finished with 18 on another poor shooting night.

The Griffin move was the best of the game by Scott Skiles.  Going all bench players down 16 in the 4th or inserting the god awful three guard lineup 3 minutes into the 2nd half were light years ahead of the Griffin starting lineup decision.

by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

'experience' guarding Kobe
who cares? From what I saw it didn't help. He did do the crafty move of pulling Kobe down to the floor. Too bad the refs saw it. I missed the first half, but all indications are that Kobe simply coasted, and then in the 3rd (on Griffin) hit a few shots in a row to extend the lead past double-digits.

Plus, he's worthless on offense, and putting him and Wallace together sucks to high heaven whether Kobe scores 2 or 20.

He actually had a decent +/- yesterday (for those who accuse me of selective use of that stat, and it's true) but if he's playing our team sucks.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nobody
Few are stopping Kobe's shooting.  He elevates high enough to get above most defenders and he'll jacked it up from 40 feet.  You stifle Kobe by limiting his penetration and passing.

I almost wonder if Skiles was playing Griffin to take heat off Hinrich to allow him to focus on executing the offense and hitting some shots.  Hinrich's defense has been worse this season than it was when he was a rookie.  If so, that didn't work.  Kirk still couldn't get it going.  He was Mr. 6 Turnovers last night.

by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2007 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich still guarded Kobe in the beginning
(right? I missed the first half but I did read that)

Whatever pressure is off him on defense, I don't see how it takes the pressure off Kirk offensively to put in a guy who will help sink the offense.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually don't remember seeing
Kirk on Kobe at all last night.  If I remember, they had him on Cook?  But not certain about that.  Whoever it was, Kirk was at least a head shorter.

I think the offense would improve if Skiles would just set a rotation for a bit and let guys get used to it.  They should be able to play better regardless of the circumstances, but when they just plain aren't I can't see how continually jumbling things up will help.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 19, 2007 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

matt
I don't recall seeing Hinrich on Kobe at all last night.  I think Griffin and Sefalosha shared the duties all night.

by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thabo should have been on Kobe all game
Look what Thabo did to Kobe last year.  Kobe didn't score more than 18pts. with Thabo on him much of the game.  Sef's length/athleticism bothered Kobe.
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 19, 2007 11:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I really, really don't understand what's going on
but I don't believe Skiles is coaching to Tank.  He may be coaching to make a point (whatever point that is), but he's not coaching to tank.  There's no way you can be certain you'll end up with the number one pick - just look at the Celtic and Bucks last year (although I don't think the Bucks were tanking on purpose - with Redd out, they stunk).

I expect changes.  I don't know what those changes will be, but there will be changes.

by KT on Nov 19, 2007 7:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Where's
Firescottskiles.com?  I'm surprised nobody has started that website yet.  

I wonder what Rick Carlisle is up to these days.  Surely being an analyst can't be as much fun as coaching.  

by upther on Nov 19, 2007 8:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

What game did you watch last night???
The Bulls missed all of their shots in th 3rd quarter!!! It is the players fault because they can't throw it in the ocean right now. The coach can't play for them. And if Skiles could play, he would probably be better than Kirk right now. Please stop blaming the coach with all of the line-ups eveyone thinks should have been out there. This isn't NBA Live. HOWEVER, Where was Tyrus???

by SlickRick76 on Nov 19, 2007 8:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Kobe only had 8 points in the first half!
Griffin is not to blame either. They simply shot horribly in the 3rd, got their heads down and the bad body language, and BOOM! It was over.

by SlickRick76 on Nov 19, 2007 8:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Adrian Griffin should not be starting
There's no reason for him to be starting over Thomas, Joe Smith, or even Noah.  None at all and that is definately Skiles fault.  

by upther on Nov 19, 2007 9:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The way Skiles is
coaching right now is why Chris Sheridan has 5-1 odds that Skiles will be fires after the season.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 19, 2007 9:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ha!
My favorite metric of a team's quality is the often underappreciated "win/loss record"

by preverbal on Nov 19, 2007 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I keep thinking you might demand a trade
It's a shame to see you waste the prime of your blogging years.
"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 19, 2007 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

JoeJoe Diary
It's more-or-less the same idea, so enjoy the ham-fisted 'merge':
Anyone up for rebuilding? White flag style?
By joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever [Edit User]
Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 12:35:25 PM CDT

Well Scott Skiles it was nice knowing you! I really think it's time to go through a slight rebuilding mode.

The midget line ups, the quick timeouts with vains popping, I could go on but it's all been said over and over. I said on here after watching this team get their asses kicked by the Pistons in the playoffs that this team was just a nice team of no real cut throat killers. They aren't a title team and never will be. I said they remind me of the late 80's Cavs, no real stars but just a nice collection of tallented basketball players. Maybe too nice.

Personally I think the Bulls might need to step back and make some hard choices because it doesn't look promising anymore. I would think this team is built to win now with the signing of Ben Wallace but that was a failure. This team seems at best to be average. If the point is to win titles well then maybe it's time to restructure.

How the Bulls would go about doing that, I have no clue. With so many tallents in the past drafts it just seems that luck hasn't been on their side. Yao, LBJ, Wade last years pick. Even look at the Tyrus Thomas pick it was a weak draft. Not to say he isn't a nice player but it is what it is.

I like Deng and Thomas at the 3 and 4. BG would be better suited off the bench as a sixth man. Its just something the Bulls might wana look at rebuilding around some of their younger guys. Maybe keep Noah, Tyrus, Deng and rebuild. Because I didn't think the Bulls were title material before but I did start to get brain washed by the scores of people who saw too much into Hinrich and Deng. I might have bought into the Bulls can take the East just because it was the popular thing to say. I really have seen more than enough with the club I have tired and no amount of wins will change my mind. They just don't have what it takes to live up to there hype or to win when they have to. So for that reason I would like to see a rebuilding process take place. As painful as that would be I just can't watch a mentally weak team play below average basketball and get middle board draft picks.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 12:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If the Bulls were to actually get a lottery pick..
There's a good chance that Skiles wouldn't be around to coach him, because barring catastrophic injuries, it would mean the Bulls underachieved as much as any NBA team in years.  So Skiles has no reason to "tank" games (as if any team would start tanking in November).

by Big D on Nov 19, 2007 1:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Really!?
24% of people who voted on this thing actually think the Bulls are tanking 9 games into the season!?

Seriously? NINE games into the season? Really? No way? Really?

by CrashDavis on Nov 19, 2007 3:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

who are we tanking for?
i mean there is derrick rose, oj mayo and the usual suspects...but i really wonder how they going to make our team THAT much better especially through their first few years in the league...we have enough rookies/young guys already and quite frankly, i don't want to go through another rebuilding phase...its absolutely frustrating and makes me lose interest knowing that management wants to take another 5-year approach to being a championship....i don't wanna except the inevitability of this diary, if it comes true

by chicagosportslove23 on Nov 20, 2007 1:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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