(UPDATE: Pax says no deal?) Kobe's talks stalled and NOT because they won't include Deng

by CookDing on Nov 1, 2007 8:41 AM CDT

[Update: Paxson talked to the media after practice today, and I couldn't transcribe Pax's exact words but Pax more-or-less said they talked to the Lakers but the talks are done for now. Or kindof done for now. I guess your interpretation depends on how much you want to believe it's done, one way or another.]

I'm so turned around on this that I have no sense of when to roll it into another thread so I'll leave that up to our omnipetent lourde, Matt. And just to satisfy him, I offer the latest from Chris Sheridan and what he "has learned" from the crafty ESPN "Sources"....

This is like attack of the CHUD (that's the espn link) in that it is seedy, ill-conceived and just won't die. Now, ESPN.com has done us the favor of clarifying the 'true' state of the matter further....

Deng is very much in play in the conversations between Chicago and Los Angeles, ESPN.com has learned.

As ESPN.com reported on Saturday, the Lakers have asked for Deng, Thomas, guard Ben Gordon and rookie Joakim Noah as the core parts of any trade for Bryant.

Contrary to most reports, the Bulls remain ready and willing to deal Deng, the source said. But if they're going to include Deng in a deal, they will not part with more than one of the other three, said the source.

I don't know how believable that sounds all though I'm encouraged by the fact that we won't give up half of our team and frontrow seats to "Wicked" for Kobe. The other part that I liked?

The Bulls can afford to sit back and wait for the Lakers to cave, knowing that when a team trades a superstar, it rarely gets equal value in return. (See the Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson and Vince Carter trades, for example.)

It surprises me that the Lakers' brass hasn't taken more heat for their misguided notion of Kobe's "worth" and what they need to get for him. They dealt Shaq for Lamar Odom and Caron Butler for sh!t's sake!!!!
Anyways, sit back, drink in the wonder that is major network journalism and try not to gouge your eye out with a spoon.

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This is the thing I can't get

I don't believe that Luol Deng is, or should be, 'untouchable'.

But that doesn't matter, they need MORE than one player to make a Kobe deal. So by definition if you're including Deng you're including too much, because it'll be Deng + somebody of value.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 8:59 AM CDT reply actions

Too much?

Why is Deng + Gordon too much to give up? Kobe more than replaces one of them, and the other spot can go to someone like Thabo who can be a shut-down defender. Hinrich, Smith and Nocioni can pick up some of the scoring slack for Thabo.

by nateroth on Nov 1, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions

Deng + Gordon, but no further

I've come around to the idea that we should be willing to trade Deng and Gordon for Kobe, because I think Kobe+Hinrich+Ben++Nocioni+Thomas+Noah is enough to compete for a championship. But the deal mentioned in the article (Deng, Gordon, Thomas, and Noah) is too much, imo. That would be a fair trade for Kobe, but we should be able to do better than "fair" given the situation.

by RM on Nov 1, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions

Deng + Gordon

Now come up with $9m+ dollars

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions

P.J. Brown

They just sign P.J. to a one year deal and trade him. They can do it as a sign-and-trade, which gets them around the 60-day rule.

by RM on Nov 1, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions

What RM said

Definitely will have to have cap filler involved somehow. PJ has a trade value equal to last year's salary, I believe.

by nateroth on Nov 1, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions

Why would an Unrestricted Free Agent

in PJ Brown sign with the Bulls just to get traded??

by AngryAsianAce on Nov 1, 2007 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

9 Millions Dollars

If he signs with a contender like Dallas....he makes nothing close to 9 Million.

by bashuck on Nov 1, 2007 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions

that is why

I think trade might not happen until Noc becomes tradable for salary matching reasons and if Bulls are keeping Deng then Noc is also one of more expendable players as Deng takes most of SF mins and Bulls have better rebounders/defenders to play at PF (JSmith/Thomas)

by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 1, 2007 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions

Here we go again

Just another day at the office anticipating a trade, but will be let down again...

by tyrus4prez on Nov 1, 2007 9:13 AM CDT reply actions

Do you think it will happen today?

This has gone on way too long.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 9:14 AM CDT reply actions

JoeJoe

if you don't want to get caught up in the hype, then don't. Then you won't get let down when nothing happens.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions

It's a bit late to not be caught up.

I presonally don't think this is a title team or finals team. Of course if they get the Nets in the playoffs well then it will be fun to watch but I don't see them winning a playoff game in NJ. I guess also I'm not sold on Luol Deng. Yeah he's a nice player but when it matters and when the game is on the line he's not really a factor. Yeah he had a nice put back but he also took a poor shot at the end that really hurt. So yeah I want Kobe to be the man in Chicago. This team works hard but they rely on BG way too much. Right now I might trade Deng over Gordon and you could have a Kobe/BG back court. Nocioni at 3.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Cuban

Just took the Mavs out of the Kobe talk. Saying that nothing is going on and a deal is very unlikely. I'm hoping this leads to a deal witht he Bulls, since the Lakers "HAVE" to realize at some point they need to move on

by tyrus4prez on Nov 1, 2007 9:21 AM CDT reply actions

Yesterday it was completely different

BG and Wallace, or Kirk and somebody. I don't think anybody really knows what's going on.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 1, 2007 9:23 AM CDT reply actions

I would be happy

for a BG and BW for Kobe. This team doesn't need BW to be sucessful. Wallace salary is pretty close to Kobe's and I like a team of:
Hinrich
Bryant
Deng
Thomas
Noah/Gray/Smith

Bench:
Noc
Du
Sefolosha

I would be happy with that

by tyrus4prez on Nov 1, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions

Lakers balked on Wallace yesterday.

cause of his contract. Damn could you imagin if we would have kept Tyson Chandler this trade might be easier to pull off.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions

we would have been a 43 win team

would have los to the nets or raptors or something in the first round in six, an would be burnderded with tysons albatross contract subpar skills and wouldnt be on nat tv 39 times a year, and kobe wouldnt even consider coming here

damn whyd we trade him

by milesgmsu on Nov 1, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions

That frontcourt sucks

I don't know. It seems like running in place to me.

Besides, that deal wound up with the Lakers receiving Ron Artest and Ben Wallace, which is likely the worst trade in NBA history.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions

yeah I feel bad for the Lakers

if they got that crap.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree with the last part

I definitely don't see that deal from the Lakers' perspective. But Hinrich+Kobe+Deng is the best 1-2-3 combo in the league. We'd be able to get better in our frontcourt by trading young for old, or we could reload in the off-season with vets who are looking for a ring.

by RM on Nov 1, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions

If the trade doesn't happen today

I think......it's going to drive me insane. If somehing doesn't get resolved I really don't think I can take any more rumors. Make it go away! Either trade his ass or keep him unhappy abd sell tickets.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 9:32 AM CDT reply actions

agreed

I hope the deal goes down soon too. If Kobe comes, the value of my row B tickets to next sat's game will skyrocket. heh.

by Hiryu on Nov 1, 2007 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed as well

I really want this to get done one way or another. I didnt get to watch the game last night but I wouldnt hazard to guess quite a few players had it on their minds as they played. I think the whole thing is now down to "Not if but when?" and "Not where but who?"

I trust Pax to make the right personel decisions but I just hope that this doesnt get take too much longer.

by sp1365 on Nov 1, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions

This trade has to go down ASAP

because if this shit looms over the Bulls any longer, it can really mess up the season. Pretty much everyone has been mentioned in trade speculation and no one will play well until this shit is done with.

by Option27 on Nov 1, 2007 10:06 AM CDT reply actions

my thoughts.

can you please delete any diary entry...

delete
from entries
where entry_body like '%kobe%'
AND entry_body like '%trade%'

(no offense to the author.)

by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 1, 2007 10:19 AM CDT reply actions

I'm in agreement

with pretty much everyone else in that I think that SOMETHING needs to be done soon...because as much as the players say that all the trade talk doesn't bother them, you'd have to believe otherwise.

Even if (when) a trade goes through that brings Kobe to town, I know that I won't be happy with whomever leaves...so I'm just trying to adjust my thinking and trying to wrap my mind around at least 1 or possibly 2 of the "core" being gone.

I was hurt when Curry got traded, because he was my favorite on the team at the time. I was hurt when BJ was left unprotected for the expansion draft. I'll be hurt when/if Ben and/or Lu goes. Life goes on I guess. We'll all eventually get over it and win 3 championships in the process

:-)

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 1, 2007 10:24 AM CDT reply actions

Press Conference

Someone on another board was saying that Pax is having a press conference today. Probably about the extensions, but I would imagine that the trade stuff will be addressed too.

by Hiryu on Nov 1, 2007 10:28 AM CDT reply actions

this isn't message board land

link to this stuff.

-not an admin

by hscs on Nov 1, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions

Yes!

Yes, please provide links to all heresay and unsubstantiated rumors!

by ChrisRobin on Nov 1, 2007 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Links are your friend!!!!!

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 1, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions

He is having

one today but I don't know what time.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions

It's after practice

today. I have no clue what time practice gets over.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions

it varies

I think practice can start anywhere from 10 to noon, and last 1 to 3 hours. So I'd say by 3 pm Pax will be talking.

by KT on Nov 1, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions

here

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-071031bullsbrite,1,6317074.story? coll=cs-bulls-headlines

General manager John Paxson, who is scheduled to address the media Thursday, continues to explore ways to land Bryant

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 1, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions

I hope Deng stays

I haven't really weighed in on whether we should or shouldn't trade for Kobe.

I would be ok with getting Kobe if it was Gordon with TT/Noah and some salary filler. The though of Deng's inclusion on the deal turns me off all together. I was really looking forward to a line up with Kirk, Deng, Wallace and Kobe. The defense would have been stifling.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 1, 2007 10:35 AM CDT reply actions

I wish this situation would just be resolved.

I don't want it lingering over the team for several months, affecting their focus.

Trade for Kobe soon or announce that there isn't going to be any movement this season.

Several months of this will inevitably distract the team (and drive me nuts, to boot).

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 1, 2007 11:12 AM CDT reply actions

BTW, I really don't want to relinquish Deng.

IMO, he looked fantastic last night. He is, by far, the Bulls best player.

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 1, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions

The Score

just had a writer from LA and he doesn't think anything will get done. He pretty much put all of our players down. Said the Lakers need star players and there are only a few of those in the league. He said no one would come to see Luol (or any of our players) play out there.

I hope it ends today. Enough is enough.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions

whatever

how does it not?

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions

A second on Luol

Just his normal, solid game IS fantastic! That's the way I saw it too.

by marionette on Nov 1, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Ford

chat at 12, probably no ground breakning news, but who knows

by tyrus4prez on Nov 1, 2007 11:26 AM CDT reply actions

they have to make this trade.

fuuuuuuck this season is getting fucked up.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 11:35 AM CDT reply actions

Anyone know if it's airing?

I really want to see Paxson addressing the media at noon.

by Option27 on Nov 1, 2007 11:45 AM CDT reply actions

How do

you know it's at noon? The radio said after practice.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions

They had just mentioned it on 670

I guess practice ends at noon?

by Option27 on Nov 1, 2007 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions

Wow so he's addressing the media about

failed contract offers and a failed Kobe trade well what a great time to be a Bulls fan.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 11:56 AM CDT reply actions

We won't know until we hear it.

Maybe he'll drop the bomb and say a deal is done . . .

Jokes!

by Option27 on Nov 1, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions

The Lakers just need to let go.

Their team blow and if the best player in the league can't get them anywhere well nobody will. Just face the facts LA you need to rebuild.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Maybe he'll announce that no deal is imminent

and we can all move on, including the team.

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 1, 2007 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions

No they fucked me up now

I can't watch this small back court anymore.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions

The LA

reporter said he thinks the Lakers will keep Kobe and get another player or two to compliment him.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree with that strategy

from a Lakers perspective. They have more leverage than they think. Chris Broussard wrote a good article saying as much.

I mean honestly, if they just tell Bryant they're not trading him, he'll eventually pipe down. It's 2 more seasons! If they want to revisit things in the offseason (or if they get their socks rocked, the trade deadline) then so be it. I don't get why teams cave to disgruntled talent so often. It's not even like the lakers have a young core to 'poison', heh.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Was it at noon?

Did pax talk already? What's going on?

by Hiryu on Nov 1, 2007 12:33 PM CDT reply actions

I'm waiting on 670 to update us

any second now

by Option27 on Nov 1, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions

anything

new?

by tyrus4prez on Nov 1, 2007 1:35 PM CDT reply actions

Nah

I'm thinking theyll wait till the top of the hour

by Option27 on Nov 1, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions

He probably hasn't talked to the press yet

It all starts when practice is over.

by KT on Nov 1, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Chad Ford Chat

Does anyone have espn insider. The chat has been posted and it looks very Kobe heavy.

by Hiryu on Nov 1, 2007 1:47 PM CDT reply actions

lame chat today

nothing new at all

by Option27 on Nov 1, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions

i saw the chat

It started off with a lot of Kobe talk, but nothing new... Ford suggested the Suns get part of the mix, but he doubt it would happen

by tyrus4prez on Nov 1, 2007 1:48 PM CDT reply actions

I actually found it interesting

At least the PJ Brown stuff:

If they are really ready to part ways, I think Chicago's offer of Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and Noah is a very good offer. Three young players with a lot of talent and some cap relief. Up to this point the Lakers have insisted that they want more. But I'm not sure how they get it...

I think the deal is that Chicago wants to keep Deng, Hinrich, and Ben Wallace as a core for Kobe to work with. Or, if Deng is included, then they don't want to give up both Thomas and Noah. Sefalosha shouldn't be an issue...

The Bulls can use P.J. Brown in a sign-and-trade to equal out the salaries. You give him a one year deal then he comes off the books and the Lakers will get some nice cap relief...Let's put it in perspective. If you get a $7 to 10 million dollar payday just to be included in a deal ... it's the equivalent of finding a winning lottery ticket on the sidewalk. This is why PJ hasn't signed with a team. His agent knows the Bulls will need him to make a deal and he wants to cash in.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions

This is frustrating...

I'm with joejoe. This is no way to start the season. Everything's getting jacked off. Pull the trigger already!!!!!

by Hiryu on Nov 1, 2007 1:58 PM CDT reply actions

Whhhaaaaaaaaaat?

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 2:01 PM CDT reply actions

Nothing new

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 2:01 PM CDT reply actions

This is really pissing me off.

JP isn't even talking.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 2:01 PM CDT reply actions

This trade looks like a fizzle in the wind. Now!

Thanks Dan Bernstein! Yeah 90% chance Kobe's a Bull. Yeah right! Get your facts right.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 2:04 PM CDT reply actions

joejoe

come on man. You don't have to say nothing every 20 minutes.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Wow Kobe doesn't wana play with Hinrich?

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 2:13 PM CDT reply actions

christ

this isn't a message board. We're not all listening to the score and knowing what you're talking about.

but I am listening :)

Yes, Dan Bernstein is saying Kobe is adamant at keeping Deng a Bull, but Hinrich can go because he dominates the ball.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions

he sure didn't dominate it last night

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 1, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions

heh

to clarify, 'dominate' meaning in terms of handling the ball during a posession. Not in shot-taking.

(i know that's not what you meant)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Dominating the ball

Isn't that the job of the PG?

by tyrus4prez on Nov 1, 2007 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions

yeah I don't think it's a bad thing

for the team now.

With Kobe on the team it's different, obviously.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm with Chucky Atkins

GM Kobe isn't the best judge of personnel and strategy.

by hscs on Nov 1, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions

warning to those listening

Lawrence Holmes is sitting in with Bernstein. He has shown to have strong (and stupid) opinions about the Bulls in the past.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions

He's been better,

better than Boers

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions

that's because his mentor bernstein

is there to reign him in. When Larry is solo on nights or weekends, he's really out there.

And how dare you say a bad word about Terry Boers.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions

I forget how crazy little Larry Holmes

is when it comes to the NBA. Hilarious.

by Scotter on Nov 1, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

I heard that too.

More proof that Kobe is a ball hog.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Another 48 hours.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 2:32 PM CDT reply actions

Another 48 hours of what?

by Repeat Threepeat on Nov 1, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions

over!

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 2:37 PM CDT reply actions

"there's not going to be a deal done"

of course, Bernstein is suggesting that doesn't mean anyting.

by KT on Nov 1, 2007 2:37 PM CDT reply actions

I believe he said "done, for now"

re-open the talks 12/15 when signed free agents are available to trade. Doesn't just give the Bulls (Noc, Smith) options but the whole league for 3-team deals.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions

deal

kinda disappointed (I think) but that makes the most sense in reality

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 1, 2007 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Sounds like

Paxson has put the trade to rest

by Option27 on Nov 1, 2007 2:37 PM CDT reply actions

Thank God.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions

why

Thank God?

More like CRAP! or you probably thing this team is good enough just the way it is, don't you?

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 1, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions

I hate Kobe

and don't want him on this team. There is no guarantee tha the will help this team win a championship. He's a ball hog and a whiney ass.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions

He's a ball hog?

really? why? cause he has no one to pass to on the lakers? Shaq seemed to score some points when they played together.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 1, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm not going

to get into a pissing match with you. I'm happy he's not coming here and you're not. Life goes on.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions

let me ask you this...

Forget the money, forget the salary caps, forget no trade clauses

if you were the GM of the Bulls right now, and Mitch Cupcake (sic) called you up and offered you Kobe for Kirk the bowl cut, straight up, would you do the deal?

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 1, 2007 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

NO

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions

HA!

And i'm the resident dumbass here?

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 1, 2007 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions

You asked

and I answered. Just because I don't agree with you too bad. Get over yourself.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 1, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions

So Sue is a dumb ass

because she doesn't want her favorite player traded for a player she doesn't like it? It's not like it matters what she would do because she is Fan! It doesn't make her a dumb ass.

Just a little FYI jack ass dumb ass is two words!

Garbage-Time: We think Kobe would look good in red .

by Wade.Jones on Nov 1, 2007 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions

i didn't call her a dumb ass

she called me a dumb ass. I was merely pointing out that she had called me that then turns around and says she wouldn't trade an average player for of the elite players in the league. Either that makes her dumb or she is lying.

and jackass is one word you fucking douchebag!

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 1, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm not dumb

and I'm not lying. Go back to when the first Kobe rumors started in here and you will see then that I said I didn't want him on this team. Just because I don't agree with you does not make me dumb.

I consider him to be a cancer and in my opinion he will ruin this team. I am allowed to have my own opinion. I never called you out on your opinion but you did me. We disagree. It happens.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 2, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions

You're not dumb

but replying to Chad isn't smart, either. You should give him the vlad treatment.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 2, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions

No

you are dumb if you wouldn't trade Kirk Hinrich for Kobe straight up.

If you don't want Kobe for the players that are being talked about, that is another thing. But to deny that you would trade Kirk for Kobe is either dumb or a lie. Because any GM in the NBA would do that deal in a heartbeat.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions

"any GM in the NBA"

you're not setting a very high standard.

by hscs on Nov 2, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions

your opinion

of the level of expertise of GMs in the NBA notwithstanding, those are the people who are in charge of making those decisions.

So pick any GM you like and he would make that deal. If the Lakers called the Bulls today and (money, cap and NTC aside) offered Kobe for Kirk, Pax would be buying Hinrich a bottle of sun tan lotion cause his pasty white ass would be on the first plane to LALA Land!

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions

LALA land indeed

Which message board booted you?

by hscs on Nov 2, 2007 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions

This is the

last time I'm telling you this. I wouldn't trade any of the players for Kobe Bryant. I don't want him on my team, period. That's not to say I wouldn't be looking for other trade possiblities with other players.

Just because you are in love with Kobe doesn't mean everyone else has to be. If you think everyone wants him why does this poll show otherwise?

http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 2, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions

apples and oranges

I don't really care what the idiotic fan public thinks. The fact is that when you get a chance to bring in a super star, you do it. You let the rest work itself out. It doesn't matter if you don't want Kobe on this team. John Paxson does. The entire Bulls management wants Kobe on this team. They tried to sign him when he was a free agent and they have been trying to trade for him. I'm with them.

Kobe makes this team better. If you lose Hinrich and add Kobe straight up, the Bulls become the runaway favorite to win it all.

I don't care that you don't like that fact. But you're wrong. And it's not a matter of opinion either.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions

If Pax wants

him he could have made it work. He didn't.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 2, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions

That is a total misrepresentation

Sure, we could have traded the whole team for Kobe. But then we would be the Lakers East. Pax wants Kobe but he wants to be responsible at the same time. So don't give me a bullshit line like that. I never advocated sending the entire team for Kobe.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions

You want everything

your way and if it isn't going your way you resort to name calling and and cursing. Like I said if he wants him bad enough he makes it work. He didn't.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 2, 2007 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions

no we wouldn't

cause that's not how businesses are run. This isn't mike ditka trading his entire draft for Rickey Williams. John Paxson is looking out for the Bulls and trying to make them the best team he can given the financial restraints of a cheap boss and a salary cap. He tried really fucking hard to get Kobe but couldn't make it work. He was not going to sell out the entire team for Kobe. That is not a smart business maneuver. Nonetheless, Pax wants Kobe on this team and tried to make it happen. But to quote the Rolling Stones, "You can't always get what you want".

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions